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[laughter]

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betrayal may be liked by someone,

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but a traitor and hated by everyone said

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several centuries ago, it was

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definitely thwarted and before him they said something

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similar betrayal in intelligence is a

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very specific matter, on the one hand, everything

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is clear, but on the other hand, how to look at Philby and the

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whole five are almost epic heroes for us

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for the British, vile traitors are generally

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banal if our intelligence officers if

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strangers that spies you Garner Mitchell and

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William Martin American

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intelligence officers tearing she is secretly

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United States services sign of protest against

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I unscrupulous reception at a

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press conference in Moscow mark Levi

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bees exposed the activities of

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American intelligence before Soviet

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cinema is at the top at the risk of

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speaking about Soviet defectors and

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traitors from intelligence, you can in the

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crudest form divide them into ideological ones, as

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they call themselves,

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and the rest, meaning crust loved the

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former major of the GRU, Viktor Rezun, who is also

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Suvorov, of course, considers himself the

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first, these shootings were made in the ninety-

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first year and when the famous British

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writer Viktor Suvorov was still afraid of the

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execution of the death sentence, I

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have many different people helping me,

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hello, so let’s turn the mirror a little

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here with us,

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I can change myself very, very

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much cards, I appeared as an old man, I

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was 70 years old, here’s another one since I appear as a

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very young man and I think now

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now everyone please show

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me now right now I’m looking at you

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if you meet me on the street tackle a

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little more differently Suvorov’s mind

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is unacceptable the Soviet system has not seen

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communism and therefore I work for the president’s

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game in Geneva, at first he carefully

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flirted with the Americans, hinting at the

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stupidity of the Brezhny and offering them

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collectible coins with the Americans it didn’t work out

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with the British after

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working for 11 months for British

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intelligence in 1978 we draw moved to

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London where he revealed himself as an English

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agent they all come up with separate

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motives disagreement fight against communism

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disagreement with the Soviet order there

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is a lack of freedom, or, unfortunately, as

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I personally know about the traitor Koshechkin,

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who fled from Iran while

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I was the head of

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our station there, he allegedly

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couldn’t come to terms with the fact that

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money from the People’s Party of Iran was coming from the Soviet Union to the

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party there the money received was

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scanty, quite money on any

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scale, and he unfortunately knew that

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such money was being transferred to, but it

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was impossible to come up with anything else from a

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hint from the British, such an

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ideological motive was born: on

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June 2, 1982, an Iranian

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police patrol discovered an

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empty car with the license plates of the

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Soviet embassy in a deserted area of Tehran

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the car was located several

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kilometers from the place where

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its owner was supposed to be, Soviet diplomat

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Vladimir Kuzichkin,

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from here for several days we were looking for its

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plot during the revolutionary anxious

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time and now a person now the car is

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nothing as I found out micex

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nothing ordinary happened during my absence noted that he was abandoned

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excessively, which, unfortunately,

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sometimes services happened to us and the threshold was

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widespread, a few

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days later, when they found his car, when

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they installed it, and on what passport did the

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people who passed through this crossing, a legal

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crossing, was not a fake real

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English pashka, the people who

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let him through the border through photographs

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identified the announcement of the island of the island yes

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1982 3 years since you previously won the

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Islamic revolution yesterday's temporary

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allies in the struggle with the Shah's regime

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became enemies of the guards of the Islamic

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revolution finished off the remnants of the opposition,

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including the people's party there with which the

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KGB station in Iran maintained contact is

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considered to be an agent British

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intelligence, Vladimir Kuzichkin, had something to do with this;

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his escape from Tehran was

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connected with a coincidence; a

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new person arrived at the station who

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dealt with security issues;

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the president in Tehran,

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Leonid Shebarshin, convening a meeting;

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stopped inviting them to pieces; the

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British intelligence agent and his commanders

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became worried; I eliminated his meeting;

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because I didn’t trust him,

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but because he had to do

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cover-up work, so well, fear has

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big eyes, and or we decided that it was time to

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run away, take away this

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bastard left his wife, crippled in

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a car accident, abandoned his old woman, his mother here

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in England got drunk,

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so the English themselves in my opinion, with

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him on Myers, the eighties are

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called by some intelligence experts a decade of traitors in the

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United States; twenty-six

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criminal cases were opened for espionage in favor of a

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foreign state; in 25 cases,

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the accused admitted their guilt; we

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identified about 20 traitors; mutual

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Perry Beck; revelations were blocked in about 10

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years all conceivable norms

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were especially fertile 85 so for

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us and for them we got Ames who

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worked for almost 10 years for the Soviet then

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Russian intelligence they Gordeevsky for

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permanent residence Gordievsky

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completed his work as an

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MI-6 agent and part-time Soviet

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resident Vanga and thanks to the

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efforts of Keynes, I received a permanent London

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residence permit and a death sentence in Moscow.

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I am a traitor to the CPSU and the KGB, but not to Russia,

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any other post-Soviet, because

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because I worked as an employee of this

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state system, which was on a

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totalitarian superstructure, so every

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Soviet person,

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strictly speaking, should have been a

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traitor, that is, to be an honest

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person, to attach this to the CPSU and the KGB and

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do something either for the benefit of the future of democratic

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Russia or to help Western

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civilization, we would protect democracies from

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totalitarian expansion, therefore they were not like that,

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by the way, those who were

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caught in the Soviet Union were shot

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all but many cafes survived I am located

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in the west the last people of this

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galaxy were left already under Gorbachev

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8 6 to 8 8 8 approximately 10 people were

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shot were shot on a tip from

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Ames and

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there was the last major KGB agent who

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worked since 1994 for me too

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By the way, I’m practically the only one

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who survived from this large

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group.

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Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky, practically from

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childhood, did not like Soviet power, although his

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background did not favor this;

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his father and brother served for a long time and faithfully

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in the body; a graduate of the Institute of

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International Relations wanted to be an

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illegal immigrant like Bran, well, no they let in too

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much for one family

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had to go to just intelligence officers

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after finishing sky from school after working for some

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time in the central apparatus

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Gordievsky ends up in the Soviet

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residency in Copenhagen where he

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worked modestly for 2 terms in the

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60s and 70s under the leadership of

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Mikhail Beloved as a crushing former

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boss his subordinate was an

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intellectual, he was fond of classical music, he read

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serious literature with a moral character, everything

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was also in order

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drunkenness, debauchery was not noticed,

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I had absolutely no

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suspicions that he was connected with anyone, he was

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not at all loyal to the regime, although, like

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everyone else, he often told his thoughts everyone

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expressed many expressed an idea and with

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criticism of the politics of the breach there was a wave and that

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this was accepted in our circle, it was

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natural, moreover, I believe that in

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cases like this

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when we are dealing with espionage and the spy

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pretends to be much better than but if in

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fact the interests of the Georgian it was possible to

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present yourself on the best side, I

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worked for everyone for two years when he was already,

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as he himself admits, an agent of British

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intelligence, well, of course, he was very

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warning or department office to carry stones by

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knocking, although he was a

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deputy with his right hand, escape from

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go to the west and start a normal life

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in a liberal civilized society I

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really wanted a question arose: I

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come to the West, I run to the West, there

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their system, the Western system

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offers me, say, some kind of support

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for the first years, they start questioning me by

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questioning me,

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I bring them some benefit, but in the

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end they agree that I received

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from them this will be entirely a gift, so to speak,

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I will sit on my neck, you know,

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run to the West just to strengthen

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your life,

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you will sit on benefits, receive their

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benefits, just like a defector,

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Gordian was ambitious in the first

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place, and then he raises this to a power

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high is that he sought to help the

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West in the fight against the regime, but the West

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pardoned him for violating the norms of

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behavior of Soviet citizens abroad,

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all sorts of things were described in so many words,

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including sexual

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adventures of our citizens abroad,

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I believe that it is women in general, all

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men are interested women, but he

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had a fad I think that this was the

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reason from the initial clue;

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moreover, I had a meeting with one of the

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non-English journalists to whom I

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told them my version then he came to

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me, he still worked with his health,

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he told me here you were right to me

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showed compromising photographs

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along a business mile, you will be poisoned in a row and

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then

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[music]

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it

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just so happened that the lieutenant did not

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run in those days for ideological

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reasons to help, care

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and rank were usually higher and knowledge was greater

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and in general the impetus for betrayal

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was sometimes, by today’s standards, the situation almost

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anecdotal example in

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1964 in Geneva, an

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internal counterintelligence officer, Yuri,

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on a stretcher, offered the cooperation

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of the Americans for betrayal, asked for

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only $300 to cover the

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embezzlement, there was an episode when our man was

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caught speculating, he bought

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food at the embassy price

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and sold it at an inflated price, he could have repented,

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but he preferred work against an unfriendly

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intelligence service, another intelligence officer in

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Nepal lost at a game of roll and went to

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work. The Americans also

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contacted us, in particular, good luck Ames for

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additional earnings at the plant, work

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for the Soviet Russian intelligence, Ames received

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about two and a half

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million dollars, he still didn’t have time

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to get the money he earned honestly

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buy an apartment for

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half a million dollars, a gorgeous red

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jaguar, which caught the attention of the FBI

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[music]

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I did it absolutely voluntarily, it

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was even my initiative, my 85 years old

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seemed to accept my offer and they even

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said that they would be very happy if I

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brought them more because what did I say

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what post do I hold vc.ru I kicked and

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this was another element that

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made me agree to my

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proposal Batman

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my he dice sense of motivation

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betrayal the situation I'm so

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traditional understandable but in general in recent

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history there have been strange episodes

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inexplicable end of summer In 1985,

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KGB Colonel Vitaly Yurchenko came to Rome on a business trip;

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his work in Moscow was related to

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ensuring the security of Soviet

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intelligence until Nastya in the center and locally

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from an ordinary machine, he calls the

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American Embassy, after a

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while he ends up in the USA, published by a Soviet

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agent of a former CR officer Edward Lee

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Howard and a former employee of the

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National Security Agency Ronaldo Hilton,

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as the American author Ronald

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Caesar writes, those who studied this story,

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Yurchenko’s betrayal was connected with a

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romantic story, at Yurchenko’s request,

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the Americans arranged a meeting with our

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beloved in Montreal, she was the wife of a

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Soviet high-ranking

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consular official in Canada, an

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honest Soviet woman refused

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to betray his homeland, Yurchenko wilted, in addition,

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his story became the main topic of the world

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press. On

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November 2, 1985, sitting in a cafe not far

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from the Soviet embassy, he escaped from the not

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very vigilant tion of the towel and

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ended up in one embassy where he

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told how he was kidnapped from Rome,

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drugged and lost his

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and they even slipped prostitutes into Moscow, they

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believed him and held a big

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press conference exposing

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raw methods as a result of his

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almost heroic behavior there, he

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even deserved a departmental award here, he

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was awarded the badge of an honorary

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state security officer, although in our circles it

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was reliably known that he had not

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gone there at all not as a result of

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any violent actions on the

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part of our opponents, the most

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interesting thing is that after that he worked in the

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first main intelligence directorate for 2

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or 3 years until he was thrown into

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retirement and it must be said for this that for all of

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Yurchenko’s affairs it is entirely a matter of hooks

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that Kryov did not punish him, so he had to be punished in any way;

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moreover, he was presented as a victim; it’s

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surprising that they didn’t give him a hero of the

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Soviet Union, and so on. I didn’t

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believe, and then and now I don’t believe

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Yurchenko’s version, but in those years when I worked

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when we were healthy

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I tried many times following requests from

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journalists to pull me out for some kind of

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conversation for an interview with me,

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but he did not write a letter, this letter then

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I showed it to the journalists that I ask you

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not to bother me, I have no

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desire to tell anyone about anything,

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unlike a romantic story Yurchenko,

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the disappearance of Oleg Gordeevsky from Moscow is a

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mystery shrouded in darkness

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in 1985, he was summoned to Moscow, he

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apparently thinks that this is connected with the

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appointment to the post of president

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for three years, that Gordievsky worked

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in London, he was then deputy, and the

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chief of the station, those attempts in Moscow,

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will send a new one resident diplomat

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were stopped by the British Foreign Ministry

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no one could get a visa the British

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cleared the way for their applicant

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Gordy this meeting at the Moscow airport

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with colleagues was not very happy

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already there he understood everything I was probably one

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of the last intelligence officers

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who met he came to my

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home at his place like this his hands were shaking,

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drinking from a bottle through the window, why is he

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even a teetotaler, what struck me wildly at

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the house, he would point out so Vanga, my beloved country, the

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man had reached such a state, but

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then when he had already run away, I realized that he

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was walking on the edge of a knife, that there should have been an

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arrest, maybe an execution, the

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story The escape of the English spy Oleg

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Gordievsky from Moscow to London in his

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own presentation looks like a

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science fiction novel for potashniks.

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Gordievsky tries to inform the owners

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that he needs to be taken out

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for this, visits conventional places, in

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particular St. Basil's Cathedral in a

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leather cap,

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and it was in the summer, then searches on the streets of

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Moscow a man with an English appearance

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from a Hertz package in his hands as a result

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Gordievsky does come into contact with the

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British the official version is Oleg

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Antonovich and how he gave in to the vigilance

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of the security officers is known then Gordievsky

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takes a ticket to Leningrad reserved seat

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carriages during the journey from Moscow to

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St. Petersburg the English spy awaits new

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tests of his on the second shelf, he falls on a woman

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and breaks his bow, despite being wounded, he

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found the strength to get to Vyborg,

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he goes by bus to the

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border zone, they do

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n’t know what a border zone is now, and he’s there waiting by the stones near the

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white man for a

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car with

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English license plates to arrive,

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well so they transport him across borders,

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of course it’s exotic, it’s all complete nonsense,

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it’s simply impossible and stupid, it also

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seems complicated to me that they just

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took him out of Moscow somewhere here,

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picked him up in Moscow, put him in the trunk, which

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means they took him to Vyborg,

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I rode in the trunk myself a couple of times, but she had

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minutes of espionage world espionage

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departments were taken out of the embassy,

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well, somewhere to drive there for about

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ten minutes to escape that there was no one in the car,

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the driver took him out after me there was a strong

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surveillance

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I know what it’s like to lie in the trunk, so

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let

00:18:46

him try to lie down Gordievsky himself in the trunk

00:18:48

why is there already cut about 8-9 hours

00:18:51

to the border, so my version is that he

00:18:55

left on a fake passport in the hemi of

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some citizen, who at

00:19:00

that time did not arouse

00:19:02

any particular suspicion in us, the Bulgarian Hungarian

00:19:06

Chekhov, so calmly we made a passport,

00:19:10

he calmly, you didn’t forge it all

00:19:12

visa everything that is necessary especially since

00:19:15

Gardiner specialized at one time in the

00:19:17

KGB with a fake passport there were people

00:19:20

who were, as they say, the evil empire

00:19:23

and they represented the evil empire, there

00:19:24

were many of them in the KGB there was such a general of the lips

00:19:27

who was president for some time

00:19:31

in London and he was like that, then he became

00:19:34

General

00:19:35

Nikitenko, who was a deputy,

00:19:37

and then became the head of a large

00:19:39

unit, which Kalugin

00:19:41

used to head, a very important circle, these people,

00:19:43

they were evil people, maybe not

00:19:46

within themselves, not in relation to their

00:19:48

wives and people, but they were not evil and

00:19:50

because they carried with them a creeping

00:19:52

imperial and totalitarian such people

00:19:55

mini pathetic evil you will leave I thought the

00:19:58

spy Gordeev st and laid all the columns

00:20:00

some Soviet citizens paid the price

00:20:03

career representatives of Western

00:20:04

democracies who worked for Soviet

00:20:06

intelligence whether everyone was in prison for example the

00:20:08

Englishman Michael Bethany was imprisoned 14 years old

00:20:11

and the Norwegian Arne Treholt 9 were still accused of

00:20:14

aiding the KGB

00:20:16

Gordievsky named about 20 prominent

00:20:18

Labor members as Soviet agents he was

00:20:20

sued for libel the process he

00:20:22

lost and almost lost his

00:20:24

spy pension and this is 40 thousand pounds

00:20:27

Oleg Antonovich

00:20:28

turned out to be a big fan of revelations

00:20:30

he continues this even now, taking an

00:20:32

active part in the scandal surrounding the

00:20:34

publication of a book by the British intelligence officer

00:20:36

Richard Tomlinson,

00:20:39

Gordievsky speaks out, I condemn the Sunday

00:20:42

Times because the leadership of the Sunday Times

00:20:46

works hand in hand with SB,

00:20:51

interesting what are they doing, what does this have to do with the

00:20:55

forests, these are generally scoundrels, he has

00:20:58

nothing ideological at all he is not associated

00:21:01

with Russia and he does not receive money from

00:21:03

Russia, he simply criticizes British

00:21:05

intelligence and

00:21:07

look for anger in taste, it all goes that Jesus is a cherub,

00:21:11

Jesus is some kind of angel, it is Jesus of a

00:21:13

professional traitor, who is

00:21:16

now working off his bread, he

00:21:19

admits that, well, He’s doing this in

00:21:21

order to somehow thank

00:21:24

the West for giving him asylum,

00:21:26

this is a kind of way of throwing

00:21:29

mud at the country, so I’m very

00:21:32

afraid that now I’m

00:21:34

much more critical of the akim than when there was the

00:21:37

Soviet Union and I found out that legs from it

00:21:40

was disgusting because I was laid

00:21:42

now I see just an absolutely animal

00:21:45

shiva such a critic of everything that happens

00:21:47

in Russia in

00:21:51

modern literature intelligence officers

00:21:53

who work in their own country but for

00:21:55

foreign intelligence it is customary to call

00:21:57

moles, history knows a lot of well-

00:21:59

deserved carats from both

00:22:01

sides it is necessary think of unknown

00:22:03

active moles, no less, if

00:22:05

animals continue in nearby associations, then

00:22:07

spies defectors like Gordy Sharp

00:22:09

like him who physically crossed into

00:22:11

enemy territory can be called

00:22:13

rats, in any case, this is the

00:22:15

definition proposed by intelligence veteran

00:22:17

Oleg Nechiporenko in this decade

00:22:23

of the eighties, these rats and moles are not

00:22:26

intelligence and eaten to the bones for

00:22:32

the special services to recover after this is

00:22:34

very difficult. Intelligence veterans, to put

00:22:38

it mildly, have mixed feelings about their

00:22:40

former colleague, General Kalugin, some

00:22:42

consider him a mole, others are rats,

00:22:44

and the third is dissidents, the KGB is brilliant.

00:22:51

Leningrad

00:22:53

directorate of the KGB, according to generals

00:22:55

Shebarshin and the former chief of intelligence, the

00:22:57

leadership of you on his account of suppression,

00:22:59

according to Oleg Nichiporenko, he was eaten for

00:23:02

excessive zeal; nevertheless,

00:23:04

now both consider Kalugin a traitor; he

00:23:08

sold out; she had no ideology

00:23:11

except resentment; that

00:23:14

interview he spoke about his colossal

00:23:17

mental intellectual potential,

00:23:21

he told himself and twice Kalugin

00:23:25

this man has very high

00:23:29

self-esteem

00:23:30

with ambitions that ultimately led him

00:23:34

from dissidence from which

00:23:37

he began with criticism of the

00:23:39

sometimes justified intelligence leadership

00:23:43

you led him to the fact that he became a rat,

00:23:50

this is pouring out of my former colleagues, by the way,

00:23:53

my colleague, brickenko,

00:23:55

you know this one, I wrote in a shout

00:23:58

in my articles that the biggest brush is

00:24:01

because it was applied to the login, go in, I’m

00:24:03

proud of this, I didn’t betray people, I refused and

00:24:08

betrayed everyone who betrayed my own

00:24:11

mouth because our system was

00:24:13

no better on the German test, what’s

00:24:16

worse,

00:24:17

unlike Hitler who wasted

00:24:20

time with you, they became all undesirables and

00:24:22

dissenters, so this is a system I

00:24:25

would gladly invest my time in, so here’s

00:24:28

the report, it’s a pleasure for a

00:24:30

former people’s deputy and a KGB veteran

00:24:32

now lives near Washington,

00:24:34

makes a living by giving lectures,

00:24:36

writing books about the past and

00:24:38

brothels and the current situation in Russia in

00:24:40

particular, his former

00:24:42

subordinate Oleinik’s parent earned us money and stating that

00:24:44

several years after the war in

00:24:46

Vietnam he interrogated captured American

00:24:48

pilots,

00:24:49

this caused great excitement among the

00:24:51

Americans since the exchange

00:24:52

of prisoners of war had already taken place and all

00:24:54

the soldiers would have to return home

00:24:56

in the market, he claims that he interrogated a

00:24:59

captured CIA agent and it was immediately

00:25:01

after the signing of peace thanks to Kalugin, a

00:25:03

scandal was inflated and this became the topic of

00:25:05

endless television debates, in addition to how

00:25:07

they consider him a veteran, thanks in part to

00:25:09

Kalugin's publications have

00:25:11

calculated Soviet multiples

00:25:17

recently, together with a colleague from the FBI,

00:25:20

Kolodin leads tours of spy

00:25:22

sites in Washington and associated Soviet

00:25:24

intelligence shows the former residence of the

00:25:26

ambassador from the gate who began the espionage

00:25:29

career of Ames Elton Howard and others, the

00:25:31

guide Kolodin claims that

00:25:33

now the Piana Highway is on the rise and in

00:25:39

including, so to speak, the answer for

00:25:43

generating additional income, although

00:25:45

this is not my main occupation since I am a

00:25:47

lecturer here from his other plane on

00:25:50

your history and also winter and

00:25:52

consultations on business issues, and this is to

00:25:56

use California funk

00:25:59

pleasure since I am a representative

00:26:01

of the former greets or feeds and that’s it heals

00:26:04

additional think so and be

00:26:07

curious and want and the

00:26:08

corresponding success of the enterprise

00:26:11

I generally believe that you need to live in your

00:26:13

country if you are involved in politics

00:26:16

here he only does

00:26:18

excursions wonderfully but he also comments all the time

00:26:20

speaks criticize

00:26:23

what he does politics from Washington

00:26:26

entering ours things, in my opinion, he

00:26:29

should return and try to enter

00:26:31

parliament if he entered if he

00:26:34

came officially no one would

00:26:37

arrest him, no one would touch him, that is, such a

00:26:38

big magnet, I think that we are not

00:26:41

official gold, it is clear that he could have

00:26:45

inspired like some there are heavens for

00:26:47

departments and veterans without everything in the end

00:26:50

they rest

00:26:52

absolutely without any without playing I don’t

00:26:55

meddle New times have not brought about

00:27:15

significant changes in the life of the spy

00:27:17

intelligence community

00:27:19

although they probably had some influence

00:27:21

ideological confrontation was replaced by

00:27:23

if not mutual sympathy then

00:27:25

at least calm relations without hysterics the

00:27:28

former leader and

00:27:30

espionage departments and just intelligence veterans

00:27:32

quite legally meeting and remembering

00:27:35

bygone days and battles where they fought together,

00:27:37

even this criminal code noted that in

00:27:40

particular in the Soviet code there was an

00:27:41

article

00:27:42

treason, a particularly dangerous

00:27:44

state crime, a form of

00:27:46

treason included flights

00:27:48

abroad as well as reluctance to

00:27:50

return from there in the new Russian code,

00:27:53

treason to the homeland is called high

00:27:55

treason, the number of acts previously considered

00:27:57

treason has been noticeably reduced,

00:28:01

the body of Colonel Gru Vyacheslav Baranov

00:28:03

had to undergo a shift and he was

00:28:06

convicted of treason under the old 64

00:28:08

articles and received, in accordance with new

00:28:10

times, only six

00:28:12

Baranov was detained in 1990 while

00:28:14

trying to leave for Austria using a false

00:28:16

passport. At that time he had already been

00:28:18

working for American intelligence for three years.

00:28:21

Formally from all points of view, yes,

00:28:23

of course, I am a traitor from the point of view of the

00:28:26

law, treason, I don’t consider the

00:28:30

wording of the article itself to be

00:28:32

legally sound simply from the right

00:28:35

point of view, the homeland, as they say, is

00:28:41

where you happened to be born, is

00:28:42

it possible to give the place where it was born, let’s

00:28:44

say betray your parents, the

00:28:47

graves of your parents, that is,

00:28:49

high treason, as it

00:28:50

sounds

00:28:51

to the legislator of all other countries, that is, I

00:28:54

will betray states, it seems that it is

00:28:56

impossible to change Yes, the state can open criminal cases against

00:28:59

each of the three former Russian

00:29:00

intelligence officers with an

00:29:02

impressive range of articles from treason to

00:29:05

fraud, but it is unlikely that

00:29:07

these and other scribes will be put in the dock, of

00:29:10

course, no one will hand them over; besides, it is

00:29:12

now not customary to apply for extradition

00:29:14

first through diplomatic channels

00:29:16

The Soviet side insisted on a meeting

00:29:18

with the defectors, including in order to

00:29:20

make sure that they were not taken away by

00:29:22

strong traitors. Veterans with

00:29:24

sentences also seem to be in our time not

00:29:27

trembling much with fear for their lives,

00:29:30

I don’t remember all the cases in my

00:29:32

memory, but 30 years Worked for 25 years

00:29:35

sockets in general some of the traitors were

00:29:37

killed, no one was killed, although death

00:29:40

sentences were handed down, why didn’t they kill us?

00:29:43

First of all, it wasn’t possible; it wasn’t

00:29:45

so easy; secondly,

00:29:49

political considerations outweighed you; you’ll kill; and then

00:29:53

all this creeps out and becomes

00:29:55

public knowledge.

00:29:56

and he’s pouring dirt on the great

00:30:00

Soviet Union, that’s the only reason

00:30:01

I don’t know, although

00:30:03

Suvorov and Gordievsky are just saying

00:30:05

that oil and judicial sonic verdicts are

00:30:08

nonsense, but that means let’s talk about

00:30:10

democracy, but this Tomlinson, an

00:30:13

English intelligence officer, who is now

00:30:16

taking refuge working somewhere at a

00:30:18

ski resort ski resort is training skiers

00:30:21

in Italy,

00:30:22

try to get him to show up in the baths and

00:30:26

then they will arrest him, they are looking for him and a

00:30:29

case has been filed against him, and

00:30:32

in which they will achieve that the lazy man will be

00:30:34

expelled from Italy, he

00:30:37

has changed several countries, Tomlinson described his doggerel,

00:30:40

offended by his superiors to work for

00:30:41

He didn’t even have Russia in his thoughts, but it

00:30:43

happened so, and if we imagine that a

00:30:45

Westerner decided to help Russian

00:30:47

democracy like Gordiev’s Western

00:30:49

Philby companies to the Soviet Union so that we

00:30:51

could offer as an idea or an

00:30:53

attractive image

00:30:54

corruption in all echelons of power,

00:30:56

starting with the village council theft everyday

00:30:58

state dictatorship of the law for the

00:31:01

elected in general, a potential spy would

00:31:04

be confused, it would be difficult for him to

00:31:05

love us out of a material incentive, and

00:31:07

if we talk about the

00:31:09

current Russian era and compares it

00:31:12

with that espionage decade, or the

00:31:14

Soviet system in general, when we have

00:31:18

more problems with census takers,

00:31:20

I won’t finish reading then because now,

00:31:23

with all the problems despite all the

00:31:26

shortcomings and vices there, now

00:31:28

we have situations that are more honest than

00:31:29

us, intelligence has generally become withdrawn from

00:31:33

politics,

00:31:34

before it was still the ideology of Ravana,

00:31:36

and even the same Gordievsky

00:31:39

pretends to be an ideological struggle, now there are

00:31:41

no such grounds, although the ideological

00:31:44

basis for recruitment has remained

00:31:46

political now the time is more honest, by the way, this is

00:31:49

what you call the years of spies,

00:31:51

this is the decade when the number of give

00:31:54

with of course was off scale, it was

00:31:57

just disappointment in that to some

00:32:00

extent that system, in the hypocrisy of lies,

00:32:04

and in this sense, I think that now the

00:32:08

time is more honest and for intelligence in this

00:32:15

sense there are fewer problems in the outlet they receive

00:32:18

money a little

00:32:19

very modestly more than pensioners but

00:32:22

nevertheless very modestly you cannot

00:32:25

compare their salaries with the salaries of

00:32:27

American intelligence officers there are very

00:32:30

small modest salaries God forbid there is a

00:32:32

general it turns out 500,700 dollars a

00:32:35

month here from the general

00:32:37

after all, besides the generals whom we all

00:32:40

know and love, there are also oporniki

00:32:43

guys who work, why

00:32:46

do they do more than the generals, they get

00:32:49

three hundred or four hundred and so on, this is a

00:32:51

small rate now in our country

00:32:53

for borders, it’s big, I think it’s just I don’t

00:32:57

know, so of course objectively, it’s

00:33:00

easier to recruit

00:33:02

us now than before, before there was still such a

00:33:05

moment as fear, you know, fear and it

00:33:10

really held people back even in contacts,

00:33:12

contacts were afraid to meet with the

00:33:14

Americans, meet with the British,

00:33:17

just

00:33:18

so that why suddenly someone

00:33:22

might knock too much and so on now there

00:33:25

is no such fear Moreover, we have a lot,

00:33:28

in any case, I know foreign ministry employees

00:33:32

who are married to foreigners,

00:33:34

so try from the past, so easily

00:33:38

marry some American, we have

00:33:41

people in our government who already have family

00:33:43

ties with connections in the USA and so on,

00:33:46

that is, a completely different situation,

00:33:50

so now he wants it’s easier to recruit us,

00:33:53

and if you use Plato’s criteria, then

00:33:57

all traitors in terms of motivation can be

00:33:59

divided into three categories:

00:34:01

money lovers, ambitious people and philosophers, some

00:34:05

wanted to sell secrets, others were

00:34:07

offended by actions, others were

00:34:09

motivated by ideas,

00:34:10

feel the difference, but with all

00:34:12

the wealth of choice, they all look the same,

00:34:15

or rather without a face

00:34:18

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