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00:00:03
Zhusan-3 Special Operation00:00:05
Syria, Middle East00:00:07
May 28, 201900:00:14
Amid European concerns in the matter,
Kazakhstani practices are impressive.00:00:19
Repatriation campaign
codenamed Zhusan is underway.00:00:23
Compared to the operation in January,00:00:25
more people were brought back this time –00:00:27
231 people.00:00:28
On the Children’s Day Eve00:00:30
a new group of our little fellow nationals
were brought back from Syria.00:00:35
Kassym-Jomart Tokayev
announced the completion of00:00:38
Zhusan special humanitarian operation.00:00:43
9 months earlier00:00:44
Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan00:00:46
First meeting with Ganibet00:00:48
September 6, 201800:01:06
- My name is Erlan.00:01:08
- I'm Ganibet.00:01:10
I first met Erlan Tynymbayevich00:01:12
on September 6, 2019.00:01:13
[TITLE] Ganibet Tazhmagambetova
Yerkin’s sister00:01:15
This was following my interview00:01:18
with Qazaqstan TV channel.00:01:21
[TITLE] Erlan Karin, expert00:01:22
I deal with radicalism and terrorism issues,00:01:24
and often people contact me because of that.00:01:27
That’s how we met.00:01:29
She shared her story –00:01:31
of how her brother and his wife00:01:34
left for Afghan-Pakistan border area.00:01:39
Ganibet was looking for any information that00:01:43
would shed light on what happened to her brother.00:01:46
Also, she wanted help in locating00:01:50
her nephews and bringing them back.00:01:55
This was a coincidence.00:01:59
Things like this don’t happen very often.00:02:02
I worked for a broadcasting corporation and my job00:02:06
had nothing to do with counter-terrorism,00:02:10
or repatriation of children from conflict-affected areas.00:02:14
At that time, the National Security Committee00:02:18
offered me to join the upcoming Operation Zhusan,00:02:22
as a consultant, an expert in the matter.00:02:26
Of course, I was interested.00:02:30
I was briefed on the operation –00:02:32
I was told there was an intel about our nationals –00:02:35
women and children in northern Syria,00:02:38
dispersed in various camps and prisons00:02:41
controlled by different militant groups.00:02:44
There was a chance of bringing them back.00:02:50
But these two stories did not overlap at the time.00:02:53
I didn’t know that eventually they would.00:02:58
At the time, I just responded to Ganibet’s request.00:03:08
My brother is a year older than me.00:03:11
He was my everything –00:03:13
my support, my mentor, my brother.00:03:16
We grew up in an ordinary working-class family.00:03:19
My parents worked hard.00:03:20
My brother was at school.00:03:22
After high school he enrolled to college.00:03:25
During his last year at college00:03:26
he started to practice Islam.00:03:29
A year after that everything was fine.00:03:30
Everything was great.00:03:32
He performed salah, prayers
Everyone was happy with that.00:03:34
Initially, we took it well,00:03:35
we were happy to see him pray.00:03:37
[TITLE] Gulden Bekseitova
Ganibet and Yerkin’s mother00:03:40
It was something he did on his own.00:03:43
We left home early, came back in the evening.00:03:46
Everyone was at home and everything was fine.00:03:52
Within a year he started growing a beard,00:03:56
he said that according to Sunnah,00:03:58
his trousers should be cut at ankle-length.00:04:01
Watching TV is evil and was not allowed,00:04:04
because it only transmits negative information.00:04:11
My brother is a master of sports in kickboxing.00:04:13
He was planning to go Greece and
participate in the World Championship.00:04:17
However, after the training camp,00:04:19
his spot was taken by someone else.00:04:23
And he didn’t to Greece after all.00:04:26
He had two options –00:04:29
to pursue a career in sports, become a coach;00:04:34
or choose a religious path.00:04:38
Since Islam was the only option he had left,00:04:41
he fully immersed himself in it.00:04:44
This was when he met people who targeted,00:04:47
recruited guys like him.00:04:51
He considered them as brothers.00:04:55
But they just planted ideas00:04:57
about jihad in his head.00:05:01
Many of them went through an identity crisis,00:05:06
they wanted to be accepted,00:05:11
be part of a community.00:05:14
They did not understand the place they lived in.00:05:18
Was it a Muslim country or a European country?00:05:22
Was it an Asian country?00:05:24
What kind of state, society,00:05:26
future were we trying to build?00:05:28
That’s why many started looking
for answers themselves.00:05:32
Whoever they met first
became their mentor of sorts.00:05:37
Young people often found
compassion in mosques,00:05:40
or they fell under the influence of someone older,00:05:44
who followed a certain religious movement.00:05:48
That’s why radical groups
recruited new followers in no time.00:05:52
The majority of those young people,00:05:55
had little life experience.00:05:58
They easily accepted advice from strangers.00:06:01
We assessed 200 people,
participants of various acts of terrorism00:06:05
on the territory of Kazakhstan00:06:07
over the past period of time.00:06:09
An interesting finding was that
the majority of those guys00:06:11
started practicing religion
half a year, a year before the events.00:06:14
So, within brief period of time00:06:17
they absorbed a new ideology,00:06:20
something they had no interest in before.00:06:23
This means that00:06:25
their perception of the world was simplified.00:06:28
That’s why they easily chose a new path00:06:31
and left everything behind.00:06:33
They didn’t feel connected00:06:36
to their home country, society.00:06:39
Six years later he told us he wanted to leave.00:06:46
At the time, he said he wanted
to learn Arabic, be fluent in it;00:06:52
hopefully, open a school in Kazakhstan,00:06:55
become a deputy imam.00:06:57
On January 18, 2012 my mom called to tell me00:07:01
my brother was leaving for Egypt the next day.00:07:05
Without telling us00:07:08
they had passports and visas issued.00:07:10
They had sold their apartment.00:07:13
He reminded mom that
she didn’t let him go in 200600:07:16
because he was alone,00:07:18
and now there were four of them.00:07:21
He said there was a guarantee
that he would be back –00:07:22
he had his wife and kids with him.00:07:25
They went to Cairo, and then to Alexandria.00:07:30
They spent four months in Alexandria.00:07:34
They sent us CDs,
we spoke on the phone, via Skype.00:07:37
Everything was fine.00:07:39
It was like those families00:07:41
who send their kids to study abroad.00:07:43
There was nothing suspicious about it.00:07:45
After four months we lost contact.00:07:47
That was the first red flag.00:07:49
We didn’t hear from them
between April and August 2012.00:07:54
When he finally called mom,
he told her they had moved.00:07:58
He said he was calling from Peshawar, Pakistan.00:08:02
He didn’t mention he had lost his eldest son.00:08:06
My eldest nephew Abdullah.00:08:09
Some say he died of typhoid fever,00:08:12
others – that he was shot in the heart00:08:16
when they were crossing the border.00:08:22
A month later, in September,00:08:25
he called us to share good news.00:08:28
They just had a baby boy,
Abdrakhman, their second son.00:08:32
He said he was still in Peshawar.00:08:36
Later we found out
he was calling from Waziristan.00:08:39
They were captured by a militant group00:08:41
and turned into their puppets.00:08:44
We haven’t heard from them
since August 2013.00:08:51
Only in 2018 we were told that had he died.00:08:55
He got killed in a blast on Afghan-Pakistan border.00:08:59
His wife allegedly had died earlier00:09:01
under similar circumstances.00:09:03
Pakistani side denied he crossed the border,00:09:08
whereas the Afghan side confirmed that00:09:11
the Kazakhstani citizen in question00:09:13
was under the Taliban command00:09:17
and died during the attack.00:09:23
This wasn't something that00:09:25
my son would normally do.00:09:27
He never had difficulties in life.00:09:30
He had everything he needed.00:09:33
I never thought he would become like this.00:09:35
Sometimes when I see a tall guy across the street,00:09:38
I keep thinking that it might be him and00:09:41
I keep staring until the guy’s out of my sight.00:09:46
When we’re home and, God forbid,00:09:47
if random objects start moving,00:09:49
she thinks that her son's spirit is here.00:09:52
And she is grateful that00:09:53
at least his spirit’s home.00:09:55
I don’t know what to think of that…00:09:57
I don’t believe he’s dead.00:09:59
Probably, I don’t want to believe he’s dead.00:10:02
Denying it probably makes it easier for me.00:10:10
My son’s a wholesome, well-mannered person.00:10:13
He was never rude to anyone.00:10:16
I don’t know whether he was buried or not.00:10:21
It’s something no mother should go through.00:10:25
Losing your child is a horrible thing.00:10:33
No mother should cry over this.00:10:42
War in Syria sparked interest00:10:44
of various radical groups that00:10:46
eventually became active in that area.00:10:49
These groups are linked00:10:51
mainly to Al-Qaeda and ISIS.00:10:53
Under the influence of propaganda00:10:55
people from many countries, including Kazakhstan,00:10:59
kept coming to Syria and Iraq.00:11:02
Since the war in Syria started,00:11:04
we saw the emergence of00:11:06
a “jihad by family” phenomenon.00:11:08
This is when radicals left their home countries00:11:10
and brought along their wives and children.00:11:20
The majority of men died fighting,00:11:24
but their wives and children00:11:27
remained in the war zone.00:11:30
Many women remarried,00:11:33
some remarried several times.00:11:36
New children were born,00:11:39
increasing the overall number of children.00:11:41
In spring-summer of 2018 our Special Services00:11:44
started to actively assess the whole situation00:11:47
regarding women and children.00:11:49
Risks were assessed and it was concluded00:11:53
that they shouldn’t be left behind.00:11:56
We had to find a way to evacuate to Kazakhstan.00:12:01
In September, the Head of the State,00:12:05
Kazakhstani president, authorised this operation.00:12:09
The same month Operation Zhusan was launched.00:12:12
The first attempt was unsuccessful –00:12:14
we were halfway there, when we had to abort.00:12:16
The second attempt was postponed00:12:19
and kept postponing00:12:22
until it was finally confirmed that00:12:26
the operation would resume around January 10th.00:12:33
Aktau, Kazakhstan00:12:34
Zhusan-1 Special Operation00:12:36
January 5, 2019.00:14:17
In the past many countries repatriated00:14:19
women and children.00:14:21
And those were mainly women00:14:23
and children imprisoned in Iraq.00:14:25
So, this was part of a standard extradition process.00:14:29
Our case was slightly different,00:14:31
because we were trying to evacuate00:14:34
from the active war areas.00:14:38
There were many other militant groups00:14:41
besides ISIS and the Kurds.00:14:43
These groups are not controlled by the State.00:14:46
We couldn’t negotiate with any of them officially.00:14:51
On top of that, other countries00:14:53
are involved in the conflict in Syria –00:14:55
the US, Russia, Turkey, Iran,00:14:58
members of the Arab World.00:15:01
In order to undertake such operation,00:15:04
we had to negotiate with all these countries,00:15:07
who are at war with each other.00:15:11
Kazakhstan happened to have trustworthy relations00:15:16
with all the parties involved in the Syrian conflict.00:15:20
This was thanks to the foreign policy,00:15:23
our peace-keeping efforts, after all,00:15:25
we were providing an opportunity to negotiate00:15:26
on matters related to Syria.00:15:29
When the operation was authorised,00:15:31
our Special Services used their channels00:15:33
to make arrangements with00:15:35
the foreign Special Services.00:15:37
At the same time diplomatic officials
were working out the details –00:15:40
availability of an aerial corridor,00:15:42
approval of an aircraft, flight details and so forth.00:15:45
The operation had to be executed00:15:48
in challenging conditions.00:15:51
It had to be quick.00:15:56
The militant groups agreed to give us 2-2.5 hours00:16:01
and they guaranteed they wouldn’t shoot at us,00:16:04
had we maintained the agreed timing.00:16:08
So, we had two hours for landing,
boarding and take-off.00:16:12
Pre-boarding procedures were challenging –00:16:15
we had to identify everyone first,00:16:17
take photos and videos.00:16:20
Conduct a brief interrogation.00:16:23
Ensure all security measures were in place.00:16:26
Since we had female passengers and00:16:29
due to the sensitive nature of body searches,00:16:32
we also had female officers on board.00:16:35
There were many things like that.00:16:54
Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan00:16:55
Second meeting with Ganibet00:16:57
January 19, 201900:17:00
- We think it’s her,00:17:02
but that might not be the case.00:17:04
- Do you mean our Adelya?00:17:05
- This one.00:17:06
- The one in black?
No, that’s not her.00:17:11
Her nephews were being taken care of00:17:14
by a woman from Kazakhstan.00:17:17
That’s the only thing she knew.00:17:21
She kept sending messages
in chats and groups.00:17:24
It took some time before that woman replied.00:17:28
The woman was on ISIS territory,00:17:31
she was a member of ISIS,00:17:33
their avid supporter.00:17:35
She contacted Ganibet and told her00:17:38
that she was taking care of the kids.00:17:41
They kept in touch via Whatsapp.00:17:44
Aidana and I started to exchange messages.00:17:46
As-salamu alaykum, how are you?00:17:48
Alhamdulillah, we're doing fine.00:17:51
We're in good health and staying at home.00:17:53
Our first conversation wasn’t the most pleasant,00:17:56
because she kept telling me about00:17:59
this sacred land, this holy war and00:18:03
that “Inshallah, ISIS will win”.00:18:07
That’s the exact wording.00:18:08
I had to be very delicate with her.00:18:12
Had I told her that she was wrong,00:18:14
she had made a mistake, that00:18:17
she was pretty much an enemy of the state,00:18:20
she would have told me get lost.00:18:22
At the time, finding out where my nephews were00:18:25
and bringing them back was more important00:18:28
than finding out whether my brother was alive.00:18:31
She kept saying that KZ would not win.00:18:33
And she used this emoji quite a lot.00:18:35
She would ask for money,00:18:37
because “they didn’t have food”.00:18:39
She asked for money – $200, $100, $50.00:18:42
All the women in chat groups would ask00:18:44
for money to buy food.00:18:46
However, I’ve been told by the Security Committee00:18:48
that they collected money to buy weapons.00:18:51
I tried convincing her for four months.00:18:53
When her husband, a Dagestani national, died,00:18:57
she decided to surrender to the authorities.00:19:01
Eventually, on January 3, 201900:19:03
she set out on a journey.00:19:05
They reached a Kurdish post on January 16,00:19:07
having walked for almost two weeks.00:19:12
We kept following a caravan.00:19:15
Around 4 o’clock in the afternoon
guardsmen gave us food.00:19:19
[TITLE] Aidana “Asma”
Woman that took in Ganibet’s nephews.00:19:22
Children were tired, so, we had to00:19:25
trick them to keep them going.00:19:27
Adelya kept saying we were going to Kazakhstan,00:19:31
“Abdrakhman, we are going home”, she said.00:19:36
When there was reception,00:19:37
I would text my mom.00:19:38
The last time I spoke to her was in Kishma.00:19:42
I texted her, sent her description00:19:43
of my children's appearance,00:19:46
sent pictures of their birthmarks,00:19:48
She started crying and asked
why I was doing this.00:19:50
I said, if I were to die,00:19:52
I wanted her to keep looking for my children.00:19:54
My mom kept crying and said00:19:55
we’d definitely see each other again.00:19:57
I replied that I was in the war zone,00:19:59
where missiles are fired day and night.00:20:03
As for the kids,00:20:05
even when the shots are fired above,00:20:08
they keep playing.00:20:10
Once in Kishma,00:20:12
we were about to sleep, when my kids said,00:20:14
“Mom, if we grow up…”00:20:16
IF we grow up.00:20:19
“We’ll build a house.00:20:22
And we’ll all live together”.00:20:24
“If we don’t die tonight,00:20:27
we’ll go pick mushrooms tomorrow”.00:20:29
I lay down listening and crying.00:20:31
Who is to blame for that?00:20:33
It’s all my fault.00:20:35
By the time she reached the Kurdish post,00:20:37
the first Operation Zhusan was completed,00:20:38
and hopes were high.00:20:40
We thought the next operation
would follow immediately,00:20:43
but after the first one,
there was a four-month break.00:20:47
And those four months were a challenge.00:20:52
Four months later00:20:53
Syria, Refugee camp00:20:55
Preparation for Zhusan-2 Special Operation00:20:57
May 6, 201900:21:10
Once again,
pack only the essentials.00:21:14
You will be issued whatever you need.00:21:16
Clothes and everything.00:21:17
So, don't worry about that.00:21:26
- Are you Kazakh?00:21:28
- We are all Kazakh.00:21:33
- Are you all dressed?00:21:35
Can we keep filming?00:21:39
[INAUDIBLE]00:21:48
- Mariyam.00:21:58
- Does it hurt?00:22:00
That's my boy!00:22:03
[INAUDIBLE]00:22:17
She says, call them one by one,00:22:20
for their pictures to be taken.00:22:37
Aktau, Kazakhstan00:22:39
Zhusan-2 Special Operation00:22:40
May 7, 201900:23:23
There is a serious armed conflict00:23:25
ongoing in that area.00:23:27
It started off as the State00:23:30
standing against the Government.00:23:32
Various radical groups seized this opportunity00:23:36
and started to recruit followers.00:23:39
Other countries had their own agendas –00:23:42
they took advantage of the situation and00:23:45
started supporting various radical groups.00:23:49
There are around 40-50 groups00:23:51
involved in the Syrian conflict –00:23:52
ISIS, Al-Qaeda and many others.00:23:54
And each of these groups00:23:57
are supported by an international ally.00:23:59
So, it’s a regional proxy war between00:24:02
the countries that are trying to settle00:24:05
their disputes on the Syrian territory.00:24:09
These countries supply00:24:11
the groups with arms, people.00:24:14
That’s why we had to bring our people back.00:24:17
This ongoing war needs new recruits,00:24:21
new human resources.00:24:23
Women and children being that source.00:25:12
So, how did our nationals end up in Syria?00:25:15
Radical groups tried taking part in jihads00:25:19
in other regions: Afghanistan, North Caucasus.00:25:23
But getting into Afghanistan was tricky –00:25:26
our nationals had to travel via a third country –00:25:30
via Georgia, Ukraine, Turkey,00:25:32
from Turkey to Iran.00:25:34
This was followed by a mountain crossing on foot.00:25:37
It took weeks to reach Pakistan.00:25:40
Those radicals left for Pakistan00:25:43
without their families, because the travel00:25:46
would take between 15-40 days.00:25:49
When the war in Syria started,00:25:52
it attracted people like magnet,00:25:55
because Syria was more accessible.00:25:58
All you had to do was to buy a ticket00:26:01
from any city in Kazakhstan to Istanbul,00:26:04
cross the Turkish border and00:26:06
within a day you’d reach Syria.00:26:09
The second reason is the housing.00:26:12
In Afghanistan they’d be living in the mountains,00:26:15
up to 20-30 people cramped in a shack.00:26:18
That wasn’t the case in Syria –00:26:20
as a result of warfare,00:26:22
radical groups were taking over00:26:24
settlements, cities.00:26:26
Not only they were taking over00:26:29
the possessions of local people,00:26:31
They were taking over their properties,
whole buildings.00:26:35
That’s why those who left for Syria first,00:26:38
shared messages encouraging
their friends to follow them,00:26:41
calling it a “5-star jihad”.00:26:44
“Come, you will get a house, a car.
Bring your family”, they said.00:26:49
That’s why many left for Syria with their families.00:26:53
They thought they’d fight in Syria,00:26:56
get a place to live, a car.00:26:59
I’ve spoken to many of them.00:27:01
There is no common profile.00:27:04
They have different lives, different motives.00:27:08
Some were motivated by their faith,00:27:10
felt for the Muslims of that area00:27:12
and truly believed00:27:14
they were doing a noble thing.00:27:17
Some left for Syria for the thrill of being at war.00:27:21
They wanted to try on
the military apparel, equipment,00:27:24
get a chance to shoot.00:27:27
There were people with motives like that.00:27:29
Others believed they’d make money.00:27:32
There were also those who had
problems with the law.00:27:37
There is no common profile –00:27:39
they’re all different people.00:27:41
And, of course,00:27:42
there were those who made00:27:45
a conscious decision to participate in jihad.00:27:58
Children injured as a result of warfare00:28:00
were evacuated first.00:28:03
They will be placed in a special rehabilitation,00:28:06
adaptation centre,00:28:10
where they will receive medical aid.00:28:22
- Where is your eldest son now?00:28:24
- He died.00:28:27
- What about your husband?00:28:29
Did he die too?00:28:30
- Is this your first child?00:28:32
- This is my third.00:28:34
- Where are the other two?00:28:35
- They are gone.00:28:37
- Were are they?00:28:38
- They became shahids.00:28:40
- I didn’t catch that.00:28:41
- They became shahids, I said.00:28:43
- There were five of us.00:28:46
Now I’m the only one left.00:28:48
- [INAUDIBLE]00:28:50
- They became shahids.00:28:51
- Are there any children without mothers?00:28:54
- There were many.00:28:56
- Where are their mothers?00:28:58
Did they get lost?00:29:00
- They too became shahids.00:29:04
For the past three years I wanted to leave.00:29:06
I told him I couldn’t live there anymore.00:29:09
I was scared.00:29:11
Back then I only had one son.00:29:16
When they found out we wanted to run away,00:29:20
they put me and my husband in jail.00:29:24
While we were there,
they executed 300 people in seven months.00:29:30
- What’s that number on your hand?00:29:32
- That’s the numbering used for boarding.00:29:38
- Show me the palm of your hand.00:29:41
It’s your lucky number.00:29:45
- Would you like to celebrate your birthday?00:29:48
- I don’t know what a birthday is.00:29:50
- What do you mean?00:29:51
You don’t know when you were born?00:29:54
- No.00:29:55
- Not at all?00:29:56
- I do, November 27th.00:29:59
- I see.00:30:01
Would you like to celebrate your birthday?00:30:03
- No.00:30:05
- Let’s have a party.00:30:08
- No, I don’t want to.00:30:10
- What’s your name?00:30:12
- Atika.00:30:13
- Atika, how old are you?00:30:15
- I don’t know.00:30:17
- Do you know where you are?00:30:21
You are in Kazakhstan.00:30:28
Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan00:30:29
Third meeting with Ganibet00:30:30
May 12, 201900:30:34
We came back from Aktau recently.00:30:37
The second stage of Operation Zhusan is over.00:30:44
This time we brought back00:30:46
a very large group of women and children.00:30:48
Unfortunately, Ganibet’s nephews00:30:52
were not on that flight.00:30:55
I’m meeting with Ganibet now.00:30:57
I owe her some explanation.00:30:59
I need to calm her down.00:31:01
When you told me,
the next group was on its way,00:31:02
and I didn’t see my kids on that list,00:31:06
I was so angry.00:31:09
I felt it was unfair that00:31:11
the rebels were on that flight.00:31:14
I don’t care whether they are injured or not.00:31:18
They didn’t come back by their will,00:31:21
they aren’t some kind of tourists.00:31:23
They were brought back against their will.00:31:25
They were extradited.00:31:29
There are certain risks associated with that.00:31:31
On top that, it was a trial flight,00:31:34
because during the first operation,00:31:37
things were run differently.00:31:39
Your nephews, God willing,00:31:41
will be here in the end May or beginning of June.00:31:50
Aktau, Kazakhstan00:31:51
Zhusan-3 Special Operation00:31:52
May 28, 201900:32:29
Of course, they will be supervised.00:32:32
These people lived in a war-affected area,00:32:35
still many maintain their views.00:32:38
The state cannot stop them believing in,00:32:42
supporting their ideas.00:32:47
To my regret, many of the repatriated women,00:32:50
still believe they were acting for a noble cause.00:32:56
They don’t think they committed a crime.00:32:58
They are not giving up their beliefs.00:33:01
Most importantly, as a result of this operation,00:33:03
some individuals stopped being hostile00:33:06
towards their home country, Kazakhstan.00:33:08
Because we brought them back,00:33:10
we showed compassion.00:33:13
The purpose of the operation00:33:15
wasn’t solely bringing people back,00:33:18
but also influencing them upon their return.00:33:22
Deradicalization and rehabilitation.00:33:24
The operation was executed00:33:26
after the rehabilitation programme00:33:28
was developed and tested.00:33:31
We didn’t bring them back and dump them,00:33:33
and then let the government00:33:35
decide what to do next, not al all.00:33:37
First of all, Special Services
and the Civil Ministries00:33:39
conducted a series of discussions,00:33:41
then came up with a plan outlining00:33:43
the actions to be taken once we bring them back.00:33:46
Who will be responsible for what?00:33:47
Which issues will be tackled?00:33:50
An extensive research was conducted,00:33:53
and only then the was operation carried out.00:34:15
- Abdrakhman?00:34:16
[TITLE] Abdrakhman
Ganibet’s nephew00:34:18
What's your name?00:34:20
- Abdrakhman.00:34:23
- Are you Adelya?00:34:25
- Yes, that's me. [TITLE] Adel
Ganibet’s nephew00:34:33
- And you are Asma, right?00:34:34
[TITLE] Aidana “Asma” Maksim
Woman that took in Ganibet’s nephews00:34:45
People contact me a lot.00:34:48
I meet people, give public talks on different topics.00:34:51
And half or third of the questions I get00:34:53
are about Operation Zhusan.00:34:54
People ask whether it was worth
bringing them back.00:34:56
Yes, there were risks00:34:58
and they didn’t go away.00:34:59
Bringing them back had its risks.00:35:02
There is chance they might start spreading00:35:04
their ideologies within our country,00:35:06
inside Kazakhstani society.00:35:09
There is a risk, and I’m candid about it.00:35:12
However, had we left those
women and children there,00:35:15
the risks would’ve increased.00:35:19
This isn’t about a couple,
or a dozen of women.00:35:22
We are talking about
hundreds of women and children.00:35:26
As a result of the operation
400 children were brought back.00:35:30
Had they stayed there,00:35:33
in three to five years they’d become teens,00:35:36
eventually growing into young men.00:35:40
Now imagine thousands of them in the war zone,00:35:43
thousands of young people with certain skillset00:35:48
and they could’ve been used by other groups.00:35:53
We’d then be facing a different threat.00:35:57
They could have been used to target us,00:36:01
but this time it would be00:36:04
a trained and organized threat.00:36:09
It’s been a year and I can say
that we made the right choice00:36:12
in bringing women and children back.00:36:14
Not only was it the right choice –00:36:16
we also made it at the right time.00:36:18
Recently, some European countries00:36:20
tried bringing their citizens back.00:36:22
But it's impossible to bring them back now00:36:24
because the war is in full force.00:36:26
There is nobody to negotiate with.00:36:28
Nobody will give you any guarantees.00:36:29
As a result of Turkish attack in the Northern Syria,00:36:33
the Kurds reduced the number of security guards00:36:36
at their prisons and detention centres00:36:40
and according to one source,00:36:42
700 people escaped from one detention centre.00:36:45
Where did they go?00:36:47
Who has taken them in?00:36:49
That’s why I have no doubts.00:36:51
the operation was executed at the right time.00:37:02
Aktau, Kazakhstan00:37:03
“Flamingo” Rehabilitation centre00:37:05
June 1, 201900:37:26
- Did you get any sleep?00:37:28
- I tried, but I couldn’t.00:37:32
I set my alarm clock,00:37:34
but I forgot about the time difference.00:37:38
What am I going to say?00:37:40
What the first interaction will be like?00:37:43
Will they accept me?00:37:45
I don’t wear a veil. Will it bother them?00:37:49
What will they say?00:37:50
I have no idea what to say.
Not the slightest idea.00:37:54
I talk all the time,00:37:56
but for the past two days00:37:59
I’m at a loss for words.00:38:14
Abdrakhman, how are you? Come.00:38:33
Adelya, Abdrakhman and me,
we’ll go for a walk.00:38:35
I’ll show you something.00:38:48
Do you recognize Aunt Ganibet?00:38:52
Go to her.00:39:12
Come, little darling.00:39:16
Do you know who I am?00:39:41
- So, the mission’s accomplished?00:39:43
- Mission accomplished.00:39:45
We’ve been waiting for this for months,00:39:48
and it just happened in an instant.00:39:50
I’m glad everything turned out well.00:39:57
Caring about people is important.00:40:01
Why did those guys leave?00:40:03
Because they were lonely.00:40:05
Nobody cared about them.00:40:07
People constantly ask,
how did the Special Services00:40:10
and other ministries overlook this?00:40:13
And my response is,00:40:15
how could Special Services00:40:18
look after those people00:40:19
if their families failed to notice00:40:21
what their children were up to.00:40:23
We’re drifting apart from one another,00:40:26
we don’t interfere in other people’s lives.00:40:29
So, when a person develops an interest,00:40:31
starts believing in something,00:40:33
we think, well, at least00:40:34
they are keeping themselves busy.00:40:36
How do we prevent this?00:40:38
By caring about each other.00:40:41
We should fight for them, not with them.00:40:44
Help them deal with their issues,00:40:46
show care and love.00:40:47
I’m saying obvious things.00:40:49
Probably as an expert
I should be saying something else,00:40:51
but the more I deal with this matter,00:40:54
the more I understand that everything starts00:40:56
in your inner circle, from simple things.00:41:25
To my regret, we’re dealing with00:41:26
the families of rebel fighters.00:41:28
I don’t want to liken00:41:31
these women to their husbands.00:41:33
However, many of them,00:41:35
share the same radical beliefs00:41:37
as their husbands.00:41:39
Some women were reluctant to be brought back.00:41:43
The second and the third group of women00:41:45
that arrived in May,00:41:47
were taken captive in February.00:41:49
This was after ISIS lost00:41:52
its final stronghold, Baghuz.00:41:55
The majority of the repatriated women
are from Baghuz.00:41:57
They stayed there until the end.00:41:59
One of those women during her interview said,00:42:03
“We are traitors. We betrayed our country”.00:42:07
Yes, they did.00:42:08
They betrayed their country and their people.00:42:11
But we must give them a second chance.00:42:14
We’ll see how it goes.00:42:18
As a result of Operation Zhusan
613 Kazakhstani citizens00:42:20
were brought back to Kazakhstan,
400 of which are children.00:42:24
Court approved the arrest of 16 women
due to their involvement in00:42:26
terrorism-related offences and propaganda of terrorism.00:42:29
In addition, 8 women were convicted,
but released on condition not to leave the country.00:42:33
In December 2019
14 men repatriated as a result of Operation Zhusan00:42:36
were convicted and
sentenced to 8-14 years in prison.00:42:48
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В 2012-2015 годы завербованные казахстанцы чаще всего уезжали в Афганистан, Пакистан, Ирак и Сирию. Подсчитать точное количество уехавших невозможно. Люди зачастую не имея документов покидали страну и через три-четыре границы попадали к экстремистам. Наш документальный фильм о женщине Ганибет, которая обратилась к эксперту по проблеме терроризма - Ерлану Карину, дабы найти своих племянников, которые оказались без вести в Сирии. Что было дальше, вы узнаете из нашего документального фильма, который мы снимали около года. Подписывайтесь на канал. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The current version has English subtitles. Just make sure to press Subs/captions button on YouTube In 2012-2015, recruited Kazakhstanis most often left for Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria. It’s impossible to calculate the exact number of people that left. They often had no documents and when they left the country, they ended up falling into the hands of the extremist groups. Our documentary is about Ganibet, a woman that wanted to find her nephews in Syria and referred to Erlan Karin, an expert on matters related to terrorism, for help. How did the story end? Find out by watching our documentary. Режиссёры: Кана Бейсекеев, Бейбiт Өнер, Aizatulla Hussein Операторы: Кана Бейсекеев, Aizatulla Hussein, Мади Жаги, Гибрат Бакаев, Канат Рымтаев Гаффер: Асан Мукашев Режиссер монтажа: Бейбiт Өнер Видеоинженер: Бейбiт Өнер, Ильяс Шуашпаев Музыка: Ануар Сарыбаев (Noar), Бекзат Асылханов, Арсен Жауынбаев Графика: ALIMOGRAPH Монтаж звука: Илья Коробейников Цветокоррекция: Тимур Жанпеисов Перевод субтитров:Асем Сарышева Благодарность: ALA Space, Жомарт Аралбайулы, Нурбол Куандыков Другие документальные фильмы Каны тут: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTHtkeyXPa3Kw7utcfjLO8ZEpdYUXBDwJ Проект Көшпенділер/Nomads смотреть тут https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTHtkeyXPa3Lz1hlU5kR3Jp2466U3fdfe искать Кану тут: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser
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