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Greetings friends, this is a project Yes it is

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Yaroslava Maslova is grateful to our

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viewer for being with us, grateful for every

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like for every subscription and every new

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comment I also thank Vladimir

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Fisenko for being with me today Good

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evening to you Vladimir, greetings,

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let's start with the topic that

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has had such an

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informational effect bombs over the last few

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days, of course, I have been talking about statements at the

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level of the North Atlantic Alliance

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regarding the fact that Ukraine can receive the

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very desired NATO membership in

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exchange for territorial concessions to the

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Russian Federation, this is supposedly Yes, it can

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become part of such a bargaining deal to

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end this war, let me remind our

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viewer that the statement was made by the

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head of the office of the NATO Secretary General, Mr.

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Wall, I’ll

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quote I think that the solution may

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be for Ukraine to give up the

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territory and receive NATO membership in return,

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negotiations on the post-war status of

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Ukraine are already underway and questions are

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allegedly being raised not only by him,

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Jensen says Of course, this could not

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react militarily -the political

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elite of our country in the office of the president

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made a statement David Rakhami, the head of the

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presidential parliamentary faction,

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said that there

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can be no talk of any territorial concessions

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And what does the North Atlantic

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Alliance say, as if we here in Ukraine completely

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understand Tell Vladimir these questions of

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history with some territorial concessions

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trades and deals And what is behind this

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And why is this being released to the masses by

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our Western partners,

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firstly, it is not being released to the masses,

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some of our officials

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said that this is stuffing, this is no neurosis, this is a

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private opinion of the

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initial office of the NATO Secretary General’s office,

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his private opinion is not the

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official position, the

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official position of NATO, by the way, is that

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yes, Ukraine has

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the prospect of membership in NATO after

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the end of the war, but the issue will be resolved

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Not now There is

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no talk of any bargaining with Russia, especially on behalf of NATO, that is, the

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official position of NATO is

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closer to the prospect of membership our

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country But the issue has not yet

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been finally resolved. By the way, I expect that a

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solution to this issue, at least in a

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political form in the form of an invitation to

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our country to become a member of NATO, can

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take place. It can be heard at the

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NATO summit in the USA next year, this is an anniversary

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year for NATO

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and 70 years and In addition it

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will even be 75 already

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Yes and besides, this is also the year of the

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US elections and spectacular gestures will be needed for the bidan. As

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for this statement,

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I treat it quite calmly and it caused a stir,

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of course, but first of all, I’ll

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emphasize again, it has nothing to do with it

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any negotiations and

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has nothing to do with the official

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position of NATO, secondly, it surprised me,

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but not the

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idea itself. I would say that this

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appointed official

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showed his incompetence,

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firstly, this is an idea, it is absolutely

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unrealistic, that’s what you need to understand, it’s not

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realistic why, firstly, does it

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contradict the Ukrainian position? Ukraine has

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already stated this. For us, this is

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unacceptable; it

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is unacceptable for the political

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leadership of the country; it is unacceptable for the

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absolutely majority of the political

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Elites and for the majority of Ukrainians;

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according to sociological surveys, at least

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80 percent of Ukrainians do not accept the idea of

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peace in exchange for concessions

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but please

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note that this idea is hardly acceptable

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to Putin

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here. It’s strange that Mr. Jenson does

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n’t know this. Let me remind you that Putin

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started the war against Ukraine before that

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by issuing an ultimatum to the United States

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that NATO should declare that both the United States

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and NATO that Ukraine will never as

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part of the Alliance

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Yes, and clearly Putin should know this, Putin

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did not start the war in order to

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seize some part of the Ukrainian

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territories, he is interested in broader

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goals for more

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ambitious ones, let’s say, to take control of the whole of

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Ukraine, this will

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put an end to NATO’s expansion to the east

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Although the effect turned out to be exactly

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the opposite, but nevertheless, Putin is

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unlikely to agree to such a proposal,

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I have big doubts here. And now it’s

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just Why am I talking about lack of

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competence because if it’s not

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new But those who put forward this idea,

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for example, Kay Sinjar Rasmusen, said the

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former Secretary General NATO they did this more than a

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couple of weeks ago arrestovich

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repeated arrestovich did not put forward anything

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arrestovich only repeated what

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Kissinger formulated and what

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Rasmus spoke about therefore arrestovich only

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repeated I would not consider arrestovich at all

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as an independent

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political entity he wants to be

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one but he is one is not so that

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was the essence of the idea of Kissinger

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who formulated a much more

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competent correct competent idea

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was such Ukraine becomes a member of

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NATO even if it cannot liberate the

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grid first territories, while the Fifth

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Article of NATO will apply

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only to those territories

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controlled by the Ukrainian government The

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Fifth Article concerns mutual defense,

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this was not about Ukraine

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officially agreeing in exchange for

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membership in NATO to give up its

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territories in favor of Russia, this was a

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personal matter and as Classic said, bargaining is

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inappropriate here, Mr. Genson for some reason they do

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n’t know this, by the way, I note that the

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Norwegian government takes a different

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position. I know this well. I

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regularly communicate with Norwegian

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diplomats, so this is

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Mr. Yeltsin’s private opinion, but what is the problem?

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The problem. It really is that

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this statement reflects the hesitation of

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part of the Western Elites, a

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certain mood of

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uncertainty, vacillation, which is the

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participation of Western fears about

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prolongation of the war, this kind of

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mood really is what

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Yeltsin’s statement reflected, and now, in

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fact, the discussion is intensifying in the West. I

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was considering this statement as

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if there were two opposite versions of this

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discussion, the

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starting point from which this discussion

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became relevant and this is what

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the situation of the military is about,

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that is, balance military balance

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at the front, we don’t have enough strength to

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turn the military situation around to our

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advantage,

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and here’s what to do when in this situation

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there are two options, one option will be

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voiced by the way, too, a lot of Western

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politicians and experts on

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this No no, this is the first option, option

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number one, increase support Ukraine

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qualitatively strengthen support for Ukraine

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in order for Ukraine to achieve a turning point

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in the course of military operations, the second point

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of view is negotiations,

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but the question is not negotiations, but the question is,

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on what conditions

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this time And another problem is also

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what Mr. Yeltsin does not take into account, he

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showed amazingly, let’s say so there is a

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lack of understanding of the

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motives for Putin’s actions, the situation in

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Russia as a NATO official, he should

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actually have analysts there, they

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should understand what the current strategy is in

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Russia.

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No one knows this, how no one

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knows this, it’s very obvious, the Western media writes about this, the

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American media. This is

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noticeable. in terms of specific actions,

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this strategy of prolonging the war at

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least until the US presidential elections

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Putin is now not talking about negotiations,

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there is no evidence anywhere, but

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Russia’s real readiness for negotiations is

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rather the opposite, even the President of Brazil,

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who wants negotiations, wants Peace, he

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was forced to admit, apparently having received the

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relevant information in the Kremlin, what is

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now there is no readiness for negotiations

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in Russia

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Vladimir there was a moment when Putin was

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ready for this. Many Ukrainian

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political scientists

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are promoting the thesis that the lightning of

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November last year is our

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Victory interim, which

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means the battles mean the situation with Kherson

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with the Kharkov direction was an

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opportunity then the future seems to be on horse

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to dictate their terms It was then that

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supposedly Putin would probably be ready to

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talk talk, I don’t know

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which of the political scientists is saying this, but

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here I already have doubts about their

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competence, I may be

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speaking harshly now, I don’t know who

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said it, but here it is here I already have doubts, there

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is a banal political law

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that any experienced politician knows well,

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you cannot start

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negotiations from a weak position, well, there are

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situations when there is no other way out,

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like Poroshenko in the fifteenth year,

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the situation was critical, it was necessary

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to agree on a cessation of

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hostilities and he was forced go to

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negotiations from a weak position

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and under normal conditions it is Taboo You should not

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comply with someone’s ultimatums this is a

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mandatory requirement You should not

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start negotiations in a weak

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position but unless you have

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no other choice Moreover, listen to Putin but

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those who say that do not understand what it

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is Putin

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Putin is a man

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with huge ambitions. By the way, the

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current director of the

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CIA or Burns, who

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worked in Russia as an ordinary diplomat

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in the nineties, then was the US Ambassador to

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Russia, said very well.

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Psychology Putin’s motivation as a politician

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and president lies in such a

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strange contradictory combination of

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huge ambitions including

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geopolitical ambitions, uncertainty,

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Russia promoted the topic of negotiations,

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including in the fall of last year, but these were

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negotiations on their terms, they then

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threatened with nuclear weapons, that’s it,

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yes, but to go to

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negotiations there after the

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special operation of Ukraine in the Kharkov region

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or after the abandonment of Kherson No it

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was absolutely unrealistic Putin

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will not act like that and vice versa

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Putin then let me remind you that in the fall he carried out an

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additional wave of mobilization and

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closed the holes at the front and tried to

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launch an offensive. Well, throwing in the strength to

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attack, this is how Putin acts. By the way, I will

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also note for me

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regarding the topic of negotiations at in the

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future there will be two criteria by

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which I will evaluate

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Russia's further actions; criteria one:

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Will Putin agree to restore the

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grain agreement? Erdogan is striving for this; a

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meeting between

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Erdogan and Putin is planned; it is

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not yet clear where Russian sources do not

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confirm the meeting place and say that the

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Russian side is still wants

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Erdogan to come to Putin

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nevertheless. For Erdogan, of course, the

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main topic is the grain agreement

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to agree to disagree Russia if

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Russia agrees to a certain

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compromise option, we are talking about not

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fulfilling unilateral concessions to Putin

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and Putin’s demands, namely

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certain compromises, that is, part of Putin’s

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demands can be taken into account but their own

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Ukraine should receive bonuses

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if the grain deal is restored in some new

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form, then

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we can say with a high probability that

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the prospect of future peace

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negotiations will become more realistic. If

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not, this will be confirmation that there will be

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no negotiations for at least the

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next month and Putin will

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implement the strategy

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continuation of the war, its prolongation at

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least until the US presidential elections, it

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turns out very decisive in your opinion,

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there are precisely Erdogan factors as for

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many

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now the most effective mediator is the

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only politician in the world of status

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politicians who has equally

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constructive good relations with the

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leaders of the warring states, there are no others like him

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Erdogan he has direct contact with

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Putin and Zelensky Turkey is a

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strategic partner for both Russia and

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Ukraine there are no such examples China is

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closer to Russia China also has a

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peacekeeping position China will also have a

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very strong influence on the further

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negotiation process, but still China is

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closer to Russia so here is the second criterion

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first criterion I said these are negotiations

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after the New Agreement the second criterion

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will happen or not A new wave of

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mobilization in Russia the

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entire regulatory framework for this in

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Russia is already ready,

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according to some data from Russian

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sources A new wave of mass

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mobilization will take place somewhere at the end of

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September- at the beginning of October there is this wave of

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mobilization. If this happens, it will mean that

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Putin will try to

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launch a new offensive against Ukraine, which will take place in March next year. He will try to launch a new

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offensive against Ukraine, not just to

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close the holes at the front, but

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he will try to

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counterattack then and we will also have to

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announce

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additional mobilization. But this will

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mean no negotiations in the world, a

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new round and a more serious, more

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dangerous round in the escalation of the war, there is

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already a tendency now

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for this air attack on Ukraine and our

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retaliatory attack and of course the escalation of fighting,

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both sides are trying to attack us in the south

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and in the Bakhmut area And the Russians in the

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Kupinsk area or mana yes So autumn will tell

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if this mobilization takes place, it means

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no negotiations, the war will

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continue. Perhaps on a wider

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scale. But

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then the West will be more likely to lean toward

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one of these two options that I

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said: either strengthening support for Ukraine

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or negotiations. The West will lean toward there

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will be no other way out to strengthen support for Ukraine, then they will definitely

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give us a long-range missile 16, not immediately,

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perhaps, but they will also give it, because they can

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give it to other aircraft, because there are

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options, even old aircraft that

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may be useful to us because we

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will need to help,

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this is also one of the scenarios for the near

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future, but in any case, uh, the situation is

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such that the topic of negotiations will become

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relevant. In my opinion, according to my estimates,

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unless there is a new

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escalation of the war, then in about six months

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informal

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consultations will begin. In fact, there are

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negotiation tracks that

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Ukraine is already actively using these are

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negotiations, for example, an exchange is taking place

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[music]

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everyday work here, the machine works

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on its own, the exchange machine does not

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require additional negotiations,

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they are only agreed upon. Well, let’s just say

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specific parties for exchange. But as

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for

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the negotiations, in essence, Ukraine is now

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actively promoting the track that was

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started we will continue with Saudi Arabia in Copenhagen,

00:17:45

this project

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will most likely be so basic for us, it’s

00:17:50

beautiful, but with a high probability we can

00:17:52

say this, by the way,

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negotiations with Odessa Arabia are confirmed, as well as the

00:17:56

negotiations being conducted by Erdogan and China,

00:17:59

negotiations will take place separately

00:18:02

from Ukraine separately from Russia, no

00:18:04

direct negotiations,

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therefore,

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as far as my memory serves me,

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after the fact of these negotiations, including the

00:18:15

president’s office, they stated that

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ideally it

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would be nice to do it then

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they called it something like under groups and there,

00:18:27

conditionally, Arabia is responsible for

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someone for the energy block, someone for the

00:18:35

negotiation process itself, how much this

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will mean Working version It is

00:18:40

not yet known, but here for sure only Time

00:18:42

will tell the conclusion before we move on to the

00:18:45

next topic you said at the very beginning

00:18:47

about the fact that As far as I understand

00:18:50

now, correct me If this is not so,

00:18:53

what is this for Putin At the moment, the story of

00:18:57

Ukraine's membership in NATO has ceased to be a

00:19:00

kind of

00:19:02

red rag for the bull, am I right or not

00:19:04

no, this remains relevant if

00:19:08

we say so, for this division of

00:19:10

territory and NATO,

00:19:13

Ukraine's non-membership in NATO is

00:19:16

more important for Putin than control over part of the

00:19:17

occupied territories

00:19:19

Yes there are, of course, fundamental issues.

00:19:22

Crimea, I think that in the Donbass, too, Putin

00:19:27

will resist in the south of Ukraine,

00:19:31

let’s say they have built a

00:19:34

powerful defense there, of course, and they

00:19:37

need to maintain control over the coast of the

00:19:39

Sea of Azov, but this is a land corridor

00:19:42

to Crimea. This is fundamentally important,

00:19:43

so the questions here are not even purely

00:19:47

legal and political But since the

00:19:49

territory of annexation and voluntarily

00:19:52

Russia will not naturally give them up

00:19:54

just as we will not

00:19:55

give them up, therefore there is a dead end here,

00:19:58

but membership in NATO issues members

00:20:02

remains fundamental for Putin I

00:20:04

think that the position here has not changed

00:20:06

Why do I say that the idea Jensen, it is

00:20:08

absolutely not realistic because it is

00:20:11

unacceptable Both for us and for Russia at

00:20:15

this moment If you have already spoken,

00:20:16

let’s discuss the nuances here and in this story,

00:20:20

this means the grain deal,

00:20:23

remember we talked to you a few

00:20:25

weeks ago We had a broadcast just at

00:20:27

the moment when Russia was

00:20:29

flaunting the fact that we were leaving, which meant it

00:20:32

scared all of us completely, and

00:20:35

then many, including from

00:20:38

our Ukrainian side, were betting

00:20:40

on Erdogan, remember Yes, there were

00:20:43

several telephone conversations between them, the

00:20:45

bets were losing,

00:20:48

did not live up to any expectations Now

00:20:54

bets were being made,

00:20:57

they hoped that

00:20:59

Putin’s relationship with Erdogan would be

00:21:03

much more important, but I think that

00:21:06

other factors played a role in Erdogan’s favor.

00:21:09

Putin played a little earlier, not in

00:21:12

July, but at the end of May before the second round of the

00:21:15

presidential elections, that’s when there was a gesture

00:21:18

in favor of Erdogan and in July the situation

00:21:20

changed, firstly, let’s say the Kremlin

00:21:24

didn’t like the fact that Erdogan

00:21:29

let the Azovites go to Ukraine, and secondly, he

00:21:32

said that he was not against

00:21:35

Sweden’s membership in NATO while the technical issue had not yet been resolved.

00:21:38

But let’s just say he

00:21:40

gave the political go-ahead this seemed to cause

00:21:44

displeasure in the Kremlin, but the main thing is that

00:21:47

the cream was already preparing for the release of the grain

00:21:50

agreement, it’s as if

00:21:52

our intelligence agency already knows the

00:21:55

corresponding document, but according to this

00:21:57

logic, it was noticeable that they began to block the

00:21:59

passage of ships that were going to women’s

00:22:02

ports from the end of June, the grain agreement

00:22:06

ended on July 17 about the ship began

00:22:09

to block

00:22:12

the straits Well, I worked there this inspection

00:22:15

since the end of June, that is, the trend was already

00:22:17

clear, but another important

00:22:20

factor Putin needed to show strength

00:22:23

after June 24, the weakening of Putin became

00:22:27

too noticeable and Putin needed to

00:22:31

demonstrate that he was not like that weak

00:22:32

as everyone thinks He had to show

00:22:34

strength and he relied on escalation on

00:22:38

external escalation This is not just a way out of the

00:22:40

grain agreement, these are attacks on the

00:22:43

port grain infrastructure of Ukraine,

00:22:45

attacks that continue Today

00:22:50

I think what is the mistake Well, it’s clear This is a

00:22:54

private statement of a specific official

00:22:56

but a mistake by both the United States and NATO,

00:23:00

we must now strictly

00:23:03

warn Russia about the inadmissibility of

00:23:05

shelling border areas with

00:23:09

NATO countries because a missile

00:23:12

can simply fly into Romania too, I remind you that the

00:23:14

Danube separates Ukraine from Moldova and

00:23:20

Romania and attacks on the ports of Izmail are

00:23:25

very close, a

00:23:28

similar situation remember

00:23:31

the mistake was already there when in fact there was no

00:23:37

mistake, so Putin is now acting

00:23:40

like a not new image, not a new metaphor, I have been

00:23:44

using it for a long time, but now it is very

00:23:46

suitable, let’s say, for analyzing the situation,

00:23:48

he acts like an impudent hooligan,

00:23:51

he demonstrates strength, he wants to scare

00:23:55

in this case, this demonstration of

00:23:58

force through the rupture of the grain agreement and

00:24:01

through

00:24:02

shelling is therefore unfortunately But this

00:24:06

is working for Putin so far, but NATO

00:24:08

is acting here too I said sluggishly and

00:24:11

not effectively enough and this will be a

00:24:13

risk What if a missile lands in Romania or

00:24:16

when attacks on In Western Ukraine

00:24:19

they will fly into Poland there, by the way, they have already flown

00:24:22

back there. Yes, when a

00:24:25

Russian missile was discovered in the center of Poland, this is still

00:24:27

a question about the effectiveness of the air defense system. So

00:24:30

in this regard, it is not only about

00:24:33

Erdogan, Erdogan is not omnipotent,

00:24:35

Erdogan, when he concluded the grain

00:24:38

agreement, there were also illusions that

00:24:41

a little more and he will be able to reconcile

00:24:44

Russia and Ukraine Yes, but in fact the

00:24:47

fundamental contradictions China also

00:24:49

had such people, the

00:24:51

fundamental contradiction here is

00:24:53

simple reconciliation, firstly, there will be no simple reconciliation, and

00:24:56

secondly, on a whole range of issues,

00:24:59

such contradictions are

00:25:02

impossible here, that’s what Jensen suggested

00:25:04

this is such an artificial compromise, it

00:25:07

seems to him that this is acceptable, they say

00:25:09

Ukraine gets a bonus in quotation marks

00:25:12

in the form of NATO membership Russia, as

00:25:15

it were, gets

00:25:17

the consolidation of the territory that

00:25:20

captured us, but this is not a situation for

00:25:23

which both sides will agree to

00:25:25

lose there can be no compromise

00:25:28

at all, in principle I’ll even say there

00:25:31

will be more than a problem, even this balancing act, the

00:25:34

current military balance

00:25:36

may drag on, we are

00:25:39

still trying to push through the Russian defense But

00:25:42

this balance may drag on, so

00:25:44

Russia may also try in the fall to

00:25:48

break its advantage But if it

00:25:50

drags on I can simply refer

00:25:52

to experience here The Korean War there before

00:25:56

they reached a Peace Agreement,

00:26:01

actually at the end of the first year of the war at the

00:26:04

beginning of the second year of the war,

00:26:06

and it persisted for about two years.

00:26:08

Negotiations took place during this period of time, but

00:26:12

the negotiations ended with the Client under

00:26:14

the agreement only when

00:26:17

Stalin died in the secular union. And in the USA the

00:26:19

president changed after that

00:26:22

we agreed, that is, we realized that the war

00:26:25

will not change, it is pointless to continue it,

00:26:27

it is necessary to negotiate. So here it

00:26:32

can last a year or two, and this is

00:26:36

the balance of the military war may not be on a

00:26:39

full scale because I think there are

00:26:41

not enough resources for intensive military operations For

00:26:44

both us and the Russians But if they

00:26:47

go to mobilization and we have to

00:26:49

go to mobilization, maybe

00:26:52

this will be the last surge when both

00:26:54

sides try to come to a

00:26:56

decision.

00:26:59

But if there is an understanding that the course of the war

00:27:03

cannot be changed, then after

00:27:06

some time negotiations will begin but

00:27:09

the outcome of the negotiations will be influenced by the

00:27:11

presidential campaign in the United States, but

00:27:13

still everyone will wait for its completion.

00:27:16

So this situation is actually not

00:27:20

that stalemate, it can change

00:27:23

politically, but we

00:27:27

can absolutely say that there can be no nervous

00:27:30

agreements in the near future

00:27:31

it’s simply unrealistic

00:27:34

to explain to me how you understand this

00:27:37

literally sometime on the 31st But at

00:27:40

least the Western press writes

00:27:42

about this date, which means Putin

00:27:44

Perhaps, again, we don’t know

00:27:46

officially this has not yet been confirmed by any of the parties

00:27:48

going to Turkey by the way for the

00:27:50

first time in a NATO country during a

00:27:54

full-scale invasion, it’s also

00:27:56

interesting for everyone for the first time abroad, you

00:27:59

know,

00:28:01

a certain moment means to show yourself a

00:28:06

cowardly bunker bunker

00:28:09

to show that they say I can, but that’s not the point,

00:28:13

and here literally two weeks before

00:28:15

this very visit

00:28:18

literally today, it’s active and

00:28:22

our telegram channel is already messing it up,

00:28:24

which means commentators are commenting,

00:28:26

information about the alleged fact

00:28:30

that Putin allegedly made a decision in the

00:28:33

near future means blowing up the

00:28:36

Zaporozhye nuclear power plant In addition, Yes, you

00:28:39

According to publications of

00:28:40

propaganda

00:28:42

media, he is allegedly planning almost

00:28:44

simultaneously a man-made catastrophe and at the

00:28:47

Kursk nuclear power plant some kind of provocation in order to

00:28:49

blame Ukraine for this. This is who

00:28:51

is throwing it in and why, and

00:28:54

this is not the first time, firstly, I will remind you that

00:28:58

in November last year, in early November,

00:29:01

Shoigu personally called the defense ministers of the

00:29:04

United States, Great Britain, France, China, where he

00:29:09

said that Ukraine wants to blow up

00:29:11

dirty bombs,

00:29:16

and they said last year and now this is

00:29:20

not a new wave about a dirty

00:29:23

bomb in the spring, this was the second episode, the

00:29:25

second wave, as it were, that supposedly Ukraine

00:29:29

wants to blow up a dirty bomb, even

00:29:31

Prigozhin reacted in his own

00:29:34

style, the story of such very ironic

00:29:37

banter. He said that these idiots But what

00:29:40

Shoigu and Gerasimov meant, they

00:29:42

can really detonate, as he

00:29:43

said, a nuclear bomb with us, it

00:29:47

costs them nothing They say they will do such a stupid thing. Well,

00:29:50

that is, the topic is not new, this rant about the

00:29:54

dirty bomb, the so-called accusation against

00:29:57

Ukraine on and of course same for the

00:30:00

Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant And now, in recent

00:30:02

months, that Ukraine is allegedly attacking a nuclear

00:30:05

power plant in Russia, why is this

00:30:07

being done in order to

00:30:09

transfer accusations from Russia to Ukraine,

00:30:14

because the whole world is discussing the risks from

00:30:18

Russia of

00:30:19

Zelensky’s world, one of the points is

00:30:22

nuclear safety

00:30:23

and the Topic the use of nuclear weapons by

00:30:27

Russia was constantly discussed,

00:30:29

including tactical nuclear weapons

00:30:30

and the risks for Zaporozhye,

00:30:35

plus accusing Russia of terrorism, what

00:30:38

should Russia do in this situation, they are

00:30:40

trying to turn the arrows on us, but at

00:30:43

least how to balance the situation on

00:30:46

and they say that this It’s not us,

00:30:48

Ukraine wants Ukraine wants to

00:30:50

provoke this catastrophe, in

00:30:53

fact, if we are talking about the Zaporozhye nuclear

00:30:55

power plant, there is no point in shelling the

00:30:58

Zaporozhye nuclear power plant,

00:30:59

attacking it, storming it makes no

00:31:02

sense if our troops are approaching the

00:31:05

area of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, it can simply be

00:31:07

blocked because its thought can be

00:31:10

block and squeeze out Just like they

00:31:11

left Kherson, they will leave

00:31:13

from there in the same way, but there is a risk and even

00:31:17

Russian sources admit this and our

00:31:20

Russian experts will at least try,

00:31:24

it’s not even a matter of propaganda. But

00:31:27

purely technically, destroy the station As

00:31:30

such Yeah, so it’s not a simple principle So you

00:31:34

don’t get it from anyone, this is a well-known

00:31:36

principle. I’m not right now. This is a reaction.

00:31:39

We’ve left Harvest. We will

00:31:43

destroy Urozhayny. We’ve left Kherson. We see what’s

00:31:45

happening with Kherson. Kherson is being

00:31:47

shelled every day. This is

00:31:50

Russian tactics, so they

00:31:52

will have to destroy the station as such. There

00:31:54

’s a risk here. with the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station,

00:31:56

the excess of the performer, that is, in the process of

00:31:59

decommissioning the station, but

00:32:01

they will affect nuclear units or will not

00:32:04

affect nuclear fuel storage facilities or

00:32:07

will not affect, yes, the effect will be limited,

00:32:10

of course, but such a risk exists and he

00:32:13

accuses us Well, for purely propaganda

00:32:15

purposes, that they say this is not Russia, this is what Ukraine

00:32:17

wants to provoke But why do we need this?

00:32:21

In order for 16 months

00:32:28

to slow down uh our offensive

00:32:32

in order to provoke panic in the country and

00:32:37

scare the West. Yes, therefore, as if for them,

00:32:40

well, let’s say this may have a

00:32:41

certain meaning; for us, there is

00:32:43

no meaning for the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant But this is definitely a

00:32:47

propaganda operation. The West needs to

00:32:49

be scared of a

00:32:52

large-scale nuclear catastrophe, again

00:32:54

blame Ukraine and this is due precisely to the fact

00:32:56

that

00:32:57

drone attacks from

00:33:00

Ukrainian territory have intensified, so uh, in

00:33:03

order to increase Western pressure on

00:33:06

Ukraine so that the West will prohibit us from

00:33:08

attacking Russian territory Well The West should ban such a

00:33:10

canonical, canonical, internationally

00:33:13

recognized Russian territory

00:33:14

because otherwise there

00:33:17

may be a risk, for

00:33:19

example, of getting into the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant, that’s the

00:33:23

point. And of course, propaganda, to

00:33:26

denigrate Ukraine, to accuse us that we are

00:33:29

terrorists, Russia, so the

00:33:32

propaganda sense is primary, it is

00:33:35

of primary importance

00:33:38

Well, in parallel, other

00:33:41

goals of the information and psychological

00:33:43

special operation are being worked out, including in order to

00:33:45

keep their population on their toes, I can’t help but

00:33:48

ask you and discuss with you, that

00:33:50

means two appeals, or rather no one

00:33:54

appeal, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of

00:33:56

President Vladimir Zelensky, the second

00:33:58

post means

00:33:59

representatives of the Cabinet of Ministers, Mme.

00:34:02

Irina vereshchak let's begin Well,

00:34:05

please, the President,

00:34:07

this is the address from the day before yesterday which Well,

00:34:10

for several days in a row it has been very

00:34:13

actively discussed in networks at all

00:34:16

levels, they are commenting

00:34:18

on the fact that everything is at war,

00:34:21

the President declares that residents of business

00:34:25

cities need to remember What to

00:34:27

continue the war So who is the enemy and who is

00:34:30

against of this It continues to say

00:34:33

that on the front line it often communicates with

00:34:35

Ukrainian military personnel and supposedly they

00:34:38

come to business cities and

00:34:40

don’t see such support. Yes, maybe what it

00:34:43

should be, all these bars,

00:34:45

discotheques, songs, dances, so

00:34:48

let’s leave it for later, let’s remember the

00:34:52

main thing. It says the president, this little

00:34:54

mask is how

00:34:56

you relay it for yourself to explain, in

00:34:59

fact, this is an

00:35:01

expected reaction, firstly, purely

00:35:03

psychologically, the president himself is at war

00:35:06

and when information reaches him from the

00:35:09

people with whom he communicates. Well,

00:35:12

scandals with the same deputies and there is

00:35:17

this problem with budgetary expenses Well,

00:35:20

sometimes people talk and

00:35:23

they see something themselves Yes, that there is a war going on here, people are

00:35:26

having fun, it’s no coincidence that he

00:35:28

mentioned it there, and about these

00:35:32

young people who drive around at night

00:35:36

like you, not only on such it’s no

00:35:39

coincidence that he’s also someone - then tell

00:35:42

the impression Perhaps Perhaps you

00:35:45

will say differently now that the president

00:35:49

was addressing precisely the ordinary Ukrainians Yes, the

00:35:52

Ukrainians, citizens of a warring state who are

00:35:55

not mountainous, not cold,

00:35:58

about him, do not need to address the

00:36:01

amount of selfish coldness,

00:36:04

administrative and political

00:36:05

decisions are made there These people have already, let’s say,

00:36:09

lost their parliamentary seats status, well, they

00:36:12

were forced to do this, but this is how the

00:36:14

issue is resolved; there is no need to contact him. I

00:36:16

think in general he won’t even communicate with them, and

00:36:18

this is an appeal to the Ukrainians. But

00:36:21

I’m talking about why it appeared

00:36:22

because, firstly, it causes personal

00:36:26

irritation is not just a lack of understanding, but the

00:36:29

irritation of the president himself, he is at

00:36:31

war, he is at war too, and

00:36:33

now he has been at the front and in one hot

00:36:36

sector. On the second, and he himself

00:36:39

has a misunderstanding, how is it

00:36:42

not over, you have already relaxed,

00:36:45

second, of course, the reaction of the military about

00:36:48

they talk a lot about this, I shoot a lot of

00:36:51

videos of some interviews on YouTube, this

00:36:54

also irritates the military,

00:36:57

and this is passed on to the president, they

00:36:59

tell the president. Well,

00:37:00

actually And he voiced, in fact, the

00:37:03

situation is more complex, he wrote a

00:37:05

separate text on this topic and it was called

00:37:06

the syndrome fatigue from war, this

00:37:08

manifests itself in different forms and

00:37:11

these discussions, which were still impossible six months ago,

00:37:14

about the fact that we deserve this

00:37:17

war, as if this position was criticized

00:37:19

very much Well, because in my opinion,

00:37:23

attention to likes

00:37:27

And because you understand fatigue We were

00:37:31

promised victory and there is no victory someone is

00:37:34

to blame someone the West criticizes someone

00:37:36

criticizes the authorities yes someone By habit

00:37:40

By habit, everyone is to blame, we ourselves

00:37:44

deserve it, and so on Unfortunately, this is

00:37:46

such an emotional swing

00:37:48

They are generally characteristic of us But this is all

00:37:50

fatigue syndrome from the war, it manifests itself in different

00:37:53

forms in someone in

00:37:55

such hysterical posts on social

00:37:58

networks, this is hysteria, this emotion just

00:38:01

breaks out,

00:38:02

and on the other hand, of course, the

00:38:06

discontent of those who are at

00:38:09

the front is manifested, that they are even more tired even

00:38:11

more and when they see that Yes, they

00:38:14

are risking their lives on And here the people

00:38:18

are having fun because, let’s

00:38:20

say, they are staying away from the war,

00:38:22

trying to live a kind of peaceful life. Well, there

00:38:26

is a war periodically, there are air

00:38:27

raids there, but we are trying to live a

00:38:29

normal peaceful life, this naturally

00:38:31

causes

00:38:33

dissatisfaction, irritation of society, as it were

00:38:36

begins to stratify, some are fighting,

00:38:42

we are talking about punishment, but

00:38:45

those who break the laws or

00:38:47

behave absolutely morally must be punished, so when

00:38:50

Vorov Not only but yes, but the story with

00:38:55

the military commissars criticizes her, why should they

00:38:58

drive away everyone? Only the regional ones were fired. Yes,

00:39:00

because to fire all the districts. But

00:39:03

this disorganize the situation Although they

00:39:05

take bribes at the grassroots level, even more

00:39:07

probably,

00:39:08

but what was needed was just a signal that

00:39:12

here, let’s say, there was clearly a

00:39:16

metastasis in the system that needs to be removed. And

00:39:20

this is a signal to the administrative class and the

00:39:23

political class and ordinary people that no

00:39:25

matter how we to put up with such an

00:39:29

abnormal situation and those who will

00:39:31

violate the laws and moral principles in

00:39:34

war conditions will be punished, and

00:39:36

even if their

00:39:38

criminal guilt has not been brought to light, but somehow

00:39:41

you will lose your position regarding ordinary

00:39:43

people, there is no simple recipe here, I

00:39:46

understand the reaction President, she is

00:39:48

naturally organic, this is not PR. I

00:39:52

also hear a lot of this hype, this is there for the sake of

00:39:54

PR, what kind of PR I think here personally is

00:39:57

just a psychological reaction of the

00:39:59

president who is also tired, who has been

00:40:02

at war all 24 hours and here is a completely

00:40:05

different situation, so he reacts to this

00:40:08

precisely as an ordinary person

00:40:12

who doesn’t like it and as a president.

00:40:14

But here’s how to solve this problem.

00:40:17

Unfortunately, there is no simple recipe for

00:40:19

unfit deputies, and it’s not always possible to

00:40:22

force, uh, to resign their parliamentary

00:40:26

mandate, to leave parliament; you can

00:40:29

replay some wrong decisions

00:40:31

By the way, in my opinion, we need to put things in

00:40:34

order in the budgetary sphere, the discussion

00:40:36

continues, and all because our budget

00:40:40

works according to peaceful schemes and so people

00:40:44

are indignant: How can this be so? Why is it not

00:40:48

for war, not for defense?

00:40:51

How about there, for the renovation of a

00:40:54

museum and monuments

00:40:57

are small things there, well, too, but

00:41:00

because the budget works according to peaceful patterns according to

00:41:03

peaceful standards, so it also needs to be

00:41:05

changed. And many are not interested in this,

00:41:08

and the branches of a specific local

00:41:10

government, the Reds, are extremely

00:41:11

interested in what Now the main

00:41:14

recipient is local government

00:41:16

because they are no less

00:41:19

they receive half of the budget funds; they don’t have to

00:41:21

worry about collecting money like before, but

00:41:23

now two-thirds of the budget costs

00:41:25

are the

00:41:26

means of our partners; what

00:41:32

taxes are collected within the country

00:41:35

goes directly to defense; it’s

00:41:40

very

00:41:41

contradictory, but when we’re talking about

00:41:43

ordinary measured people,

00:41:45

administratively force them, let’s say, to

00:41:48

switch in a wartime regime, it’s

00:41:49

impossible, how will you do it? Close the

00:41:52

discos there, cafes, restaurants Well, the

00:41:56

nightclubs may be closed, there’s a

00:41:59

curfew, and so on. As

00:42:02

for the everyday life, it’s

00:42:07

impossible,

00:42:11

this is part of Well, let’s just say

00:42:15

we function even in the city economy,

00:42:17

so this will be a blow to the

00:42:20

country’s economy one at a time from industries Therefore,

00:42:23

it is better not to do this. So I think that

00:42:25

here we need to start to tone up,

00:42:28

first of all, with officials, officials, not

00:42:30

People of the sovereign work for the state,

00:42:33

so they need to work, they

00:42:37

will have to act according to the law of

00:42:40

time and legislation, in fact,

00:42:43

we have a wartime regime in a

00:42:46

very Light mode, a very light

00:42:50

mode, and here, too. Probably in certain

00:42:52

areas it needs to be tightened. This especially

00:42:54

applies to the front-line sphere, but also in the

00:42:57

capital. I think also some kind of, let’s say,

00:43:01

manifestation of the wartime mechanism of the

00:43:04

martial law regime should also

00:43:07

work; there is no simple recipe here,

00:43:10

so I don’t a supporter of excessive

00:43:12

administration, here it is necessary to find

00:43:14

flexible options is taken into another

00:43:19

post and the statement of the

00:43:21

same Mrs. Vereshchak that I have already

00:43:24

mentioned

00:43:25

sounds like if translated into

00:43:28

Russian by the title How long will

00:43:31

the war continue? So she writes there

00:43:34

about the fact that all these forecasts are

00:43:36

two- three weeks and summer in Crimea means until

00:43:39

the end of the year, that is, but it’s all not true,

00:43:41

let’s push it all back, forget it,

00:43:43

and then list it point by point What

00:43:45

society needs to do, including that means

00:43:48

corruption means greed and

00:43:51

bawlery, these internal ones mean

00:43:54

hysteria, a moratorium on all the quarrels after wars

00:43:56

and so on, so many people ask

00:44:00

questions to Mrs.

00:44:02

Pike, in my opinion, absolutely rightly.

00:44:03

Why, 16 months after the war, did we

00:44:06

remember about those who said

00:44:09

two or three weeks before the end of the weight? That is,

00:44:11

why

00:44:12

16 months ago, two or three weeks ago,

00:44:16

Ristovich spoke in April last year, for some reason

00:44:20

Mrs. Vereshchak didn’t

00:44:23

come out for a long time and didn’t say don’t tell

00:44:25

a lie Let’s introduce a moratorium

00:44:28

Let’s go ahead and look further Let’s

00:44:32

evaluate this situation,

00:44:37

firstly, this is a more realistic position than

00:44:41

those rosy forecasts that we heard

00:44:44

from some officials In the spring of this

00:44:46

year, I repeatedly criticized

00:44:49

these very forecasts. When they

00:44:52

promised us When the war will end, when we

00:44:55

will be in Crimea,

00:44:56

it’s wrong. It’s impossible. It’s

00:45:02

not necessary for government officials to plan and forecast

00:45:04

because they will then point

00:45:06

fingers and say, you promised, you didn’t

00:45:09

fulfill

00:45:12

what voices

00:45:14

the position this is correct in the sense in

00:45:18

this text about

00:45:21

war fatigue syndrome I’m just saying

00:45:23

that we need to talk to people more

00:45:25

realistically And it’s not too late

00:45:29

Sorry, it’s still very, very late before the end of the war

00:45:35

yes It would be better if this was

00:45:37

done earlier, but it’s good that

00:45:40

government officials already have such

00:45:42

an understanding; it’s good that it already exists.

00:45:43

Therefore, we need an honest conversation. We need

00:45:46

to warn that the war is unfortunately

00:45:49

dragging on and we need to prepare for a

00:45:52

protracted war. We need to adapt to

00:45:55

the conditions of a protracted war. By the way, I can

00:45:58

say that the Basques discussed the topic of

00:45:59

NATO. We are now our partners And along the

00:46:02

line on this Polina Ramstein Well, in

00:46:04

general, with all Western countries we need to,

00:46:07

uh, actually prepare a new strategy,

00:46:10

tactics

00:46:12

for a protracted war,

00:46:14

it should be a joint strategy

00:46:17

because we are talking about the supply of weapons and

00:46:19

ammunition, all this needs to be planned,

00:46:22

in principle, they are like they would plan, but in

00:46:25

some positions it is necessary to

00:46:27

strengthen all this and, as it were, expand

00:46:28

the range because the number of

00:46:31

artillery shells that they give us

00:46:33

But let’s say this is clearly not enough, I am

00:46:37

much less than what Russia uses

00:46:39

against us and swears in this regard it

00:46:42

has done In my opinion realistic

00:46:44

forecast uh so here I think she

00:46:47

did the right thing it should have been said

00:46:50

earlier Yes it would have been necessary but better later

00:46:54

than never uh Therefore such adjustments are

00:46:57

necessary in public discourse in the

00:46:59

public rhetoric of government officials

00:47:01

according to Vereschika I can tell you where this is from

00:47:04

this

00:47:07

public position

00:47:08

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00:47:09

I think that this is largely

00:47:11

due to the fact that

00:47:14

her candidacy is being considered for

00:47:16

the post of Minister of Defense, so the company is

00:47:19

also positioning itself in this way,

00:47:23

not entirely pre-election, the fact that

00:47:29

one person will choose here and will help in this

00:47:33

choice

00:47:34

pike She has been a contender for this

00:47:37

position for a long time now, as if a new chance has

00:47:39

appeared, so of course this is how she is

00:47:41

trying

00:47:43

to position herself here, but the positioning itself is

00:47:46

adjusted to the conjuncture of

00:47:48

public sentiment, even a critic

00:47:50

of corruption is a critic of the fact that she sees

00:47:53

the position of the president, she and the

00:47:55

view of us is adjusted to her public

00:47:57

mood Therefore, she behaves here

00:48:00

like a classic politician who keeps

00:48:03

what is called, excuse me,

00:48:05

correctness, keeps her nose in the wind and

00:48:08

takes into account the public mood, the

00:48:11

political situation and of course

00:48:13

the position

00:48:27

you understand right there, the last one is already final

00:48:31

in this matter

00:48:33

remains between the lines Well, everything is of course

00:48:37

beautiful, yes, like this a certain chant as a

00:48:39

candidate for the post of Minister of Defense, and

00:48:41

jailing corruption means going to court.

00:48:43

Let's get together and work together

00:48:45

further, but between the lines it seems like a

00:48:48

layman's question remains: What should we do

00:48:52

with the responsibility of those who just

00:48:54

mean book hotels in the summer in Crimea?

00:48:57

This was also commented on at the level

00:49:00

Budanov and at the level of the far away office of

00:49:02

the president and so on,

00:49:04

rightly so, in this case a

00:49:09

mistake was made, this is not a crime,

00:49:13

although there is a well-known phrase tolerant Yes,

00:49:16

this is worse than A crime is a mistake, this is a

00:49:18

well-known expression But in this case,

00:49:21

it is still not very correct because

00:49:23

that in case let's say this

00:49:27

mistake is sensone. It is harmful and harmful because

00:49:29

it demonstrates the sweetness and weakness of at

00:49:32

least individual people in NATO and NATO

00:49:35

should demonstrate strength, they are weakness,

00:49:36

this is just for comparison, as

00:49:40

for Tambudanov, far away

00:49:42

Well, this is a lesson, a lesson for the future Let’s

00:49:47

not act on emotions, you want to, but

00:49:49

maybe there’s hype to catch uh likes uh

00:49:55

quoted so that they stop living as if to be

00:49:58

happy going to discos in a

00:50:01

restaurant no one else

00:50:03

that they sincerely believed I think that they

00:50:06

sincerely believed like many, by the way,

00:50:07

ordinary Ukrainians sincerely believed that

00:50:10

Yes, we can liberate Yes, and that there

00:50:13

were chances in this, or they hoped that they would

00:50:15

give us F-16s in the summer But man

00:50:19

assumes And God has

00:50:21

not everything that was expected, not everything is being implemented

00:50:25

politicians are also people and politicians, or let’s say

00:50:29

public figures like that like Budanov

00:50:31

or a Podolak, they can also fall under this,

00:50:34

let’s say,

00:50:39

syndrome of inflated expectations, this is also a

00:50:42

typical disease in Ukraine,

00:50:44

inflated expectations work very often for us

00:50:46

After every presidential

00:50:48

election After every Maidan and

00:50:51

here too, the expectation

00:50:53

of a counter-offensive that it will solve everything it

00:50:56

was people they are waiting for the end of the war, they are hoping

00:51:00

for a miracle, so politicians bear more

00:51:03

responsibility; in this case, there is a

00:51:06

question of moral responsibility. Yes, I must

00:51:08

admit I was wrong. I was mistaken and

00:51:12

draw all the necessary conclusions.

00:51:14

She seemed to quickly adapt to the new

00:51:17

situation,

00:51:18

and in the current conditions, this is a more

00:51:20

correct position. society needs to be

00:51:22

gradually prepared to move away from the regime of

00:51:25

inflated expectations. Well, people themselves already

00:51:27

see after this irritation is caused, they say,

00:51:29

we were promised victory. There is no victory, so that there is no

00:51:34

such irritation; there is no such disappointment; therefore, we must

00:51:36

refrain from forming

00:51:38

inflated expectations; we must not live in

00:51:42

illusions and fantasies. Well, we need to be more

00:51:44

realistic and more pragmatic in this

00:51:46

regard, so I

00:51:49

think there is no need to punish

00:51:51

in our own directions, let’s say,

00:51:54

Budanov and Podol, if we talk about

00:51:57

them there, you can remember Danilov, they

00:51:59

act more or less effectively, they

00:52:01

do their job, so let them do the

00:52:04

right lessons, I don’t repeat those mistakes

00:52:06

that were made before

00:52:12

Thank you and see you again thank you Goodbye

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