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The very word “Olympics”
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is just so important historically.
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Everybody waits only
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for the Olympic Games.
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“Manyunya is an Olympic champion”.
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I am also a three-time world champion.
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As Ivan Urgant said —
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three-time on the outside, two-time on the inside.
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I was absolutely shocked.
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“Do you really want to end it all like this?
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Really?”
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I wouldn’t forgive myself for that, of course.
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I have a character to be the first.
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And I wanted to be the first in every competition.
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It was like this throughout school.
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I was going to the school-level championships,
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then to the regionals, then to our federal district
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championships, and afterwards to the Nationals.
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And I was very anxious, very nervous,
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but Gennady Gabrilyan, my coach, was always with me,
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and my parents were very supportive.
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I was scared, but my coach told me: “Be afraid, yes.
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You need to be afraid. But you just have to make
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all these emotions help
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you.
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This is a helpful anger, an athletic adrenalin.”
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And that advice has helped me since my childhood.
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We have been growing together with Gennady Gabrilyan.
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He — as a coach, me… yes, I am
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his only athlete at such a level,
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and he is coaching me individually.
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And so together we worked our way up — from the school
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days to being an Olympic champion.
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This is fabulous, and I am in awe when
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I am talking about it.
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So you are still anxious before
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the start?
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Of course.
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Even having so much competition experience,
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I am still anxious.
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My biggest fear is to lose this feeling.
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An athlete mustn’t
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become overconfident, because it is very
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dangerous.
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If I were to remember any of my
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big competitions — I was always trembling inside.
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My knees were always shaking.
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But at the Olympics, it was actually for the first time
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that I was almost crying at the warm-up.
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I was surprised by it. I had to look up,
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so that I wouldn't tear up.
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There were so many emotions inside me,
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so it was very hard to keep them in check,
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but this is what experience is for.
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I was overwhelmed.
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You just realize that this day is here.
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Going to sleep later today, you would know already
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if you did it or not.
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It was very frightening and exciting, so at first
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I restrained myself.
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But then I decided to let it go and enjoy
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my emotions, enjoy this moment.
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After I finished my warm-up, my coach led me
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to the call room, and I hugged him for a long time.
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We usually do this, because it is
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an energy exchange of a kind — at this moment I feel that everyone
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is with me, and everyone is supporting me.
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And so we hugged for a long time, because I felt
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that I was going to the battlefield.
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And he wanted to stay,
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but there was nothing he could do already,
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everything depended only on me.
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That was scary!
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But you said that you have waited
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for this day for a long time?
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Yes, I was waiting for it, and also
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dreading it.
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There were so many challenges.
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The situation that happened in 2016 with the entire federation ban
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alienated me from the Olympics.
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I stopped believing, I guess.
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I was absolutely shocked,
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it was a total...
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injustice...
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The understanding that not everything depends on you.
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We have been told since our childhood: “Work earnestly,
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work hard, win, and new frontiers
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will open for you.”
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And in mid-July we were told: “No, you are not going to the Olympics.”
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So, having the best result of the season in the world, I
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couldn’t go to my first Olympic Games.
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It was…
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stressful.
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Honestly, I don't want to go back to it,
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but I was still positive.
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I tried to stay positive,
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and I didn’t even think about finishing my career.
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I discussed it with my coach, and we decided that
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if not this Olympics, then definitely the next one.
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We had to keep going, keep fighting.
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If we had given up, nobody would have
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noticed.
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But this is our life, our work, our career.
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This is something that we have been living for for quite a long time.
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So we went
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on vacation
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and in September started preparations
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for a new season, hoping that everything will get back to normal.
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And we kept this hope from year to year, from season
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to season.
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When we learned that there will be
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neutral statuses for athletes and that we could apply,
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we were one of the first to do so.
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I needed practice with the best athletes in the world,
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it has a huge influence on my technique.
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And so despite all the talks, we went for this neutral status,
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fully understanding what we were doing.
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And I won my second World Championships.
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So, there is a whole story there, and when I reminisce about it,
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I become even prouder, because we have gone through it.
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So much time, so much effort, and nerves —
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it is just incredible.
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It was hard, there were many challenges ahead of this day.
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Then there was the pandemic that had shifted everything for a year.
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Of course, I kept thinking: “This day will come
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soon.”
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But at the same time, I was telling myself: “You shouldn’t burn out
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in advance.”
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You have to keep living, keep training,
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give everything as usual to the training process
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— the day will come anyway.
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And the next day will come,
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and then it will be all over.
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So I tried to live for today,
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so that I wouldn’t have
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an emotional burnout.
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At the Olympics, in the finals, everything went well for you
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up to the 196 cm point. And then it was like some kind of barrier,
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and like in qualification you took it only with a third attempt.
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Everyone was holding their breath,
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myself included. What was going on
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inside your head at that moment?
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What were you feeling?
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During the finals, of course, every girl was giving
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her one hundred percent in that sector,
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including myself.
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I was struggling.
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I didn’t watch how my competitors were jumping.
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I knew that after everything I had been through,
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I had to make myself do my best,
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to show my 120 or even 150 percent
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with every jump.
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Of course, I already don’t remember what was going on inside my head
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during my third attempt.
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Naturally, it was some kind of trepidation —
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“Do you really want to end it all like this?
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Really?”
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I wouldn’t forgive myself for that, of course.
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And again I gave it my everything.
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You can probably see how
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accurate that jump was —
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so that not even a millimetre of my body would touch
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the bar.
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This is probably a part of my jumping system.
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At some point, there is such a height that
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I realize that I have to switch on.
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Those are just the enormous heights for the women’s high jump.
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Nowadays, all girls start jumping from the lower
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heights, and you have
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to be among them.
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But at some point comes a wake-up call:
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“You have to do it right now, or you will just walk away!”
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Is there something special about jumping a third
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attempt?
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This is probably a
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special state of mind —
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to walk on the edge like this.
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Do you feel energized by it?
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You are right, the third attempt
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is always like walking on the edge.
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It’s now or never.
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And when you are doing your third attempt you
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are swearing at yourself: “How did you get yourself
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in this predicament? You always have to make it
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with the first attempt!” But I had a very limited competitive experience
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this year, so I had to walk this way.
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And in the finals at the Olympics,
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I think that inside I felt like I was competing
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in several events at the same time.
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So, the first lap was until this 196 cm, then 196 cm,
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and afterwards I became a slightly different person.
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It wasn’t like “OK, I am in 10th place
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in the finals at the Olympics,
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something is not right” anymore.
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And then you kind of wake up more and more
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from one height to another. Of course, compared with
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the finals in Doha at the World Championships in 2019,
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where I did everything with the first attempt and was always the leader,
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it was very different. You have to do it like I did in Doha, but
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it doesn’t always work this way. And I am glad that I made it.
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I walked through this maze and I won!
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Was there a moment, when you felt that you are getting ahead of everyone
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and you are close to the gold medal?
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No, because I was behind
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on the attempts.
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I remember that I kept telling myself:
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“The place means nothing right now.
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Everything can change at any moment.
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You have to do your job.
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You have to go for every height
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and take it with the first attempt.”
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In high jump
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attempts are very important, especially
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in the finals, when everyone is
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nervous,
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and consequently not everyone makes it.
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I saw standings, and so I knew that
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I was far away from the top. I even started thinking about
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passing on height so that I can climb
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higher in the table.
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But I chased such thoughts away,
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I just had to go and
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clear every height with the first attempt.
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Basically, it was such a brainstorm,
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it is hard to even think about it.
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The understanding that I was close
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came probably after 2 meters.
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At 2.02 I was already filled with energy —
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one could have seen it in the way I was jumping,
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in the way I was cheering myself after the attempts.
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That was the moment when I finally was on my level,
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I was fighting not for the bronze,
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but for the first place,
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and nobody was going to stop me.
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I was definitely going for the gold!
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You cleared 2.04 with the second attempt.
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Yaroslava Mahuchikh passed and then failed to clear this height.
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Did you watch Nicola McDermott’s jump?
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No.
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So you do not watch others?
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No, I never watch how my competitors are jumping.
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Definitely I do not watch them during the competitions.
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Afterwards, I can look them up on the internet,
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because it turns out that I don’t
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even know their techniques.
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But at the moment it can distract me.
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Nicola’s jump was decisive,
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but I was just sitting somewhere and wasn’t looking around,
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I was just waiting for the reaction from the stadium.
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And by this reaction I understood
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that
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I will go to bed as an Olympic champion.
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Well,
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watching the jumps of others is not informative.
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I think that my coach doesn’t watch as well.
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What was happening inside you, when you realized
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that you became an Olympic champion?
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I think the broadcast showed it all.
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How I reacted.
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Something like that happened to me for the first time.
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This inner hysterics, the understanding that
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this immense, long, and hard road
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is over.
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We did it.
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I would be on the top of the Olympic podium.
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I was so incredibly proud, so happy, so grateful
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to my close ones, who were there with me along the way.
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A state of absolute happiness.
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If you think about it, it was just a regular day
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for people in Tokyo, in Russia, or in any other
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country on Earth.
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But for us,
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the athletes, for me, for my entourage,
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for all the supporters
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that was one of the most emotional
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days in life.
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And I was living every second
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of it to the full, and I enjoyed it.
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So, I was full of happiness and gratefulness.
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What did your husband Vladas and your coach Gennady Gabrilyan tell you?
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Or were they just hugging and kissing you?
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Vladas was actually there, at the stadium, in the commentary box.
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He stood up, and I saw him at his workplace.
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So in the video, when I am waving — I am waving to him.
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Actually, there is also a recording of Vladas
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celebrating in his position.
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And my coach, he is usually
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reserved, just like me.
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Even then, when he congratulated me,
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I saw that it was more like
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a relief for him,
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that
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we did it.
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And when I was walking toward the stands —
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it was quite far away, I couldn’t get near him, or
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hug him, we were just waving to each other from afar.
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I don’t even remember that.
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So, there were internal hysterics
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and tears of joy.
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And we were able to see each other only two hours later,
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because I had a press conference, and I had to pass the doping control.
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And it was really a relief and happiness.
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I think he was proud that Manyunya,
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his student,
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is an Olympic champion.
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It is cool!
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Does he always call you “Manyunya”?
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Yes, that is a diminutive of my name that he has been using since my childhood.
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What female character from a film or a series
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can you call your kindred spirit?
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From the existing ones?
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Yes.
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Oh, that’s a tough question…
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I don’t know.
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Surely, not some princess.
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Nothing comes to mind.
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But actually my coach calls me Cinderella,
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because
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in training sessions
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I have to work like Cinderella
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without any dresses and shoes
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— just hard work,
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but at the competitions
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I have to be a queen —
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an athlete, who is confident,
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and knows why she is here,
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and can show everything that Cinderella
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was working on.
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What are you like in your everyday life, when you
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are not an athlete?
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Are you a positive person? Do you like to plan and control everything,
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control everything, or do you let it go?
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How different are you from your athlete self?
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I am definitely
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a positive person.
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I don’t like stress, I prefer it when everything is easy,
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and you can just enjoy life without making it complicated.
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Probably it depends on one's occupation.
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My job is my favourite thing to do, and so
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I do not have any issues with coming home and just
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enjoying simple things: cleaning the house,
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going to the cinema or theatre.
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At these moments I am letting the sports go:
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I do not think about it, I do not analyse it.
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I am an absolutely calm and normal person.
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The only thing is that I am not allowed to do any
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high-injury activities.
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I would like to go riding horses, skating,
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or snowboarding,
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but I am not allowed yet.
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So, I do only professional sport
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and choose more safe entertainment.
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You said that you are a positive person.
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What can make you laugh?
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What were you laughing at recently?
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Vladas, my husband, could tell you,
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probably.
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He can make me laugh at any moment.
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I am a giggly person.
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Smile and laughter — this is something that follows me.
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And I decided for myself that it will be better this way.
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Whatever happens I keep saying: “Nothing to worry
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about. Everyone is alive, everyone is healthy, thank god.
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So we are moving forward with a positive mindset.”
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That is the way I like it, and I do not want to change,
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I want to stay a bit childish.
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I don’t want to grow up.
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What was I laughing at recently?
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Probably Vladas made some joke,
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I won’t remember now.
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Did your husband win you over with his sense of humour?
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Among other things.
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What else did he win you over with?
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We moved on to the topic of a family?
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A bit.
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Vladas won me over with…
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It was at first sight —
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the understanding that he is a person with whom I want to be,
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live, wake up, and smile.
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He offers me immense support.
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He is a man you want to be strong for, and to be close to.
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How does he support you before the start?
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Is it important for you to hear him, to talk to him?
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Probably, it is more important to simply be near me.
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There are no “here — do like this,
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and there — like that. You can do it easily
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here, but here you should work harder”.
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And given my character, it shouldn’t even be
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like this.
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Because who, if not an athlete, wants more to win, to jump higher
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or to run faster than everybody else?
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We, the athletes, already understand what we want,
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and it is important that a person close to us
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would simply say: “I am with you. I am here for you.”
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Whatever happens, he will wait for me at home and will love me
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whether I am an Olympic champion or not.
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First of all, we are a family.
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And only then we are a family of an athlete and a sports journalist.
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We are a family that loves and supports each other in every endeavour
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and in work.
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And it is also important to hear from your parents: “We are
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with you, we are here for you, we love you, adore you,
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and wait for you.”
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And that is enough. Not only for an athlete,
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but for any person.
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You are the only three-time world champion in high jumps, correct?
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Yes, I am the only one.
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As Ivan Urgant [late-night show host in Russia] said —
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three-time on the outside, two-time on the inside.
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I am going to make a pun: How do you manage to keep the bar
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so high?
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By the way, when I became
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the only three-time world champion
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in high jump in history,
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it was not something
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I was aiming for.
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I didn’t
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even know
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that I could get this achievement.
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I was aiming to compete
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in Doha in 2019 and
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try to defend my title.
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I didn’t have the goal to become “the only one”.
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As my coach always says: “You need to jump.
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You need to show the result.
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Titles and medals will follow.”
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So I was going there to jump.
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It was a big responsibility, it gives you visibility.
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Then, in 2019 I was in the centre of attention,
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and that was nice, because it meant
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more attention for athletics in general.
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We need it right now.
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A reminder that we are alive, we keep training,
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we are the best in the world, and we stand our ground.
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It gave us some recognition, but not as much as the Olympics,
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by the way.
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Being a three-time world champion,
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the only one, as you said,
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is also huge for athletics.
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But it still won’t compare
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to the title of an Olympic champion.
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The Olympics
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are just historically
00:26:42
much more important.
00:26:46
Everybody waits only for it.
00:26:50
Well...
00:26:52
Well yes...
00:26:54
What are your plans and goals for sports and life ahead?
00:26:58
What else would you like to win?
00:27:02
Maybe some personal milestones?
00:27:05
I am still an athlete,
00:27:07
and in athletics we have a lot of competitions,
00:27:11
official and commercial, many opportunities
00:27:15
to get better and better.
00:27:17
So I want to use them
00:27:22
and improve my personal achievements.
00:27:25
To jump even higher.
00:27:29
It is possible.
00:27:30
I have experience, desire, and strength.
00:27:35
My coach is also eager to keep working.
00:27:38
I think, the moment we went on vacation, he started
00:27:41
working on the plans for a new season.
00:27:43
And his eagerness gives me
00:27:47
strength and energy as well.
00:27:52
And all I want is one thing…
00:27:59
Just like the song!
00:28:04
I want to get even better
00:28:05
in a technical sense.
00:28:09
Speaking of songs, do you like to sing?
00:28:11
To sing?
00:28:12
Yes, we have three smart speakers at home — one
00:28:19
for every room, so I can switch it on from every corner of the apartment.
00:28:23
Vladas and I adore Russian pop music: Valeriy Meladze, Leonid Agutin, and Nu Virgos.
00:28:30
Everything one can sing — we like it all.
00:28:33
Before, when going out was allowed, we used to go to
00:28:38
concerts and sing along. Now we sing at home,
00:28:41
but it still gives us
00:28:42
pleasure.
00:28:43
What is your favourite song?
00:28:46
My favourite song…
00:28:52
I’d name the hit by
00:28:54
Valery Meladze
00:28:55
“Krasivo” [In style].
00:28:59
And I adore a song by Muslim Magomayev —
00:29:02
"Sinyaya vechnost" [Blue Eternity],
00:29:05
it gives me goosebumps. Because it gives you
00:29:12
such an emotional charge.
00:29:13
Yes, it is a very deep song.
00:29:15
And his voice is amazing.
00:29:18
The last question. What would you wish for yourself?
00:29:21
To be myself no matter what.
00:29:29
Despite all the losses and predicaments that
00:29:31
could happen. Those will always be there, in every person's life.
00:29:35
So, to stay true to yourself,
00:29:42
to your way of life.
00:29:50
To love, to believe, and to be grateful.
00:29:54
Thank you!
00:29:55
Thank you! Thanks,
00:29:56
you are absolutely sincere and charming!
00:29:59
Oh, thank you!

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