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[music]

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Hello everyone, you're listening to The Hills has

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a podcast and this is the second part of our

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story about the attack on Columbine High School

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Hello everyone, 911 call

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from Columbine School teacher Party

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Nelson, who was on duty at the door that day,

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dispatcher

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I'm a teacher with

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a weapon, he shot through the window I think

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one student at me dispatcher

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I don’t know what I don’t know what’s in my

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shoulder maybe it’s just the glass

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that he threw the dispatcher OK

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the police will enter the Columbine school building

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only after almost 4 hours during which time

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12 students and one teacher will become victims of the shooters

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now Blood and

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without waiting for help, this is how

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the events unfolded

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11:10 am Eric Harris arrives in the

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school parking lot, right behind him in the parking lot

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on the other side, Dylan drives up, they

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park in such a way that their bomb-

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laden cars are parked right

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in front of exit

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114 Harris and Klibot brings in his lunch

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bags with explosives knowing that from minute

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to minute the flooders will be placing a crowd of

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students for lunch in bags bombs are made

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of propane cylinders with attached

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fuses with a timer that should

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go off at 11-17 so as to kill as

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many students as possible

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1117 shooters return to the cars and

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wait for the explosion

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119 dispatcher The rescue service receives a

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call about an explosion on the other side of the city,

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this is a planned action to distract the

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police, firefighters

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11 19 11 23 schoolchildren notice Harris and

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Klebold standing on the top of the

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steps, wearing black raincoats in the hands of

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bags, one of them, presumably Eric,

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screams Let's go, they take it out from under coats of

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weapons and run in the direction of the school,

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the first shots fly towards the

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western entrance Rachel Scott and Richard

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Castaldo go out to eat their sandwiches on the

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street Rachel Dies on the spot Richard

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receives 4 field wounds, one of

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which hits him In the spine, his

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legs begin to slowly disappear He

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decides to play dead by falling next to the

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murdered classmate, several more

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students receive gunshot wounds,

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panic begins, children knock each

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other down Shooters take aim at the running people,

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Klibot goes down the steps and

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shoots two schoolchildren right in the

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doorway, his body will remain lying on the

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steps until the next morning,

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witnesses hear the screams of the shooters, this is what

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what we always wanted it's awesome while

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they light it up and throw bombs on the roof and

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in the parking lot

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1122 school cop who

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just finished his lunch in the car In the back

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parking lot of the school he gets a call from the

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school custodian that he needs to come

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to the back entrance of the school

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11 23 first call 911 a relative of a

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schoolgirl regarding an injured friend

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1124 Dive Sanders one of the teachers at

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Columbine High School rushes to the cafeteria to

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figure out what is happening he

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asks the students to lie down on the ground party

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Nelson the teacher on duty notices

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students on the street with what she

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thinks is a toy weapon at that moment she is

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heading to the doors to make

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a remark, but one of the shooters

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shoots at the glass, the fragments are inflicted by

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the teachers. She

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runs to the library with multiple wounds, taking advantage of the fact

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that the shooters were distracted by the

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school police officer who arrived in the parking lot, a

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short shootout ensues between them,

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Harris manages to run into the

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school building under the leadership of Dale

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Sanders, they begin to run out of the building with on the

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other side

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11:26

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calls the Rescue Service, this is the call

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we brought at the beginning of the school building, a

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police patrol arrives, they

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start a shootout with Harris

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through the window, shots are heard

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already in the school building, students running to the

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exit find themselves under fire from behind

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them, even in the climate after he

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turns back and runs into the library, the

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entrance to the library, the shooters open

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fire,

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as the examination will later show, they

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will find bullets from both shooters in him, the teacher

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crawls along the corridor, they help him

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hide in one of the laboratory rooms

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11 27 patrol officers ask for reinforcements

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party Nelson remains in touch with the

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dispatcher and services rescue recording of the

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call, shots are heard, explosions of tubular

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bombs that the shooters throw into the corridor and

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onto the stairs Harris and the climate enters the

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library shouting for everyone to stand up, this

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scream was caught on tape of the call at 911

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1129 11 36 shooters open fire on

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the library, pass between the rows,

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shoot at the windows and take aim at the police

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and the fleeing children, the police return

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fire Eric and Dylan begin

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to shoot schoolchildren in 7.5 minutes 10

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people are killed 12 are wounded in total there

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were 54 people in the library

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the police notice smoke pouring out of the

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school windows, special forces are called

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11:36 11 44 shooters are walking along the corridors

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schools looking into the glass doors of

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classrooms they do not try

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to break into any of them even if

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they notice people in R3 especially if

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they notice people inside they only shoot at

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empty open rooms their behavior is

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described by witnesses as chaotic

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outside the police hear explosions and

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gunshots or you Harris comes to

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cafeteria Harris shoots into one of the booby-

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trapped bags but the bomb doesn't

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go off or tries to detonate

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it manually nothing comes out later it will

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be called the first suicide attempt they

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stop and drink water or some

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drinks from the half-drunk glasses on the tables

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after one of them screams today the world

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will become the end today is the day we die

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1146 Harris and Kliebald leave the cafeteria

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one of the bombs partially explodes a

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fire starts students escape through a

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side door

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1147 the first report of a school shooting appears on the news

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1149 the SWAT team arrives the shooters

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move into the administrative part of

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the school

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1151 the 911 dispatcher lays down

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interrupting the call to sleep because there has been

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silence on the line for a long time

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1152 it is decided to storm the school throughout the

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school the fire extinguishing system is turned on

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1154 outside from the school screams and

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shots are heard the name of the

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suspect is Eric Harris for the first time

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1156 the Harris klibalts randomly

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move around the school they return

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to the cafeteria and look the

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damage caused It was then that the surveillance camera

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captured those famous shots of Erica

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Dylan, filmed from behind and holding a firearm in their hands,

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noon 12 sharp, the shooters return to the

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library, television begins a live

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broadcast from the scene of the events

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1202 special forces drive up a large

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armored vehicle for cover

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1203 information black cloaked shooters

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gets to the press for the first time because of this,

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then there will be a lot of confusion

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1202 1205 about doctors rescuing three

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wounded near the entrance to the cafeteria in

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the library, shots are heard Erica Dylan

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shoots at the police from the window, they

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respond with fire, a news helicopter

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starts circling over the school Leading

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picture live later one one of

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the teachers admits that he still

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can’t stand when he hears the

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sound of a helicopter overhead

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1206 on television live

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reports begin as special forces

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surround the school from the library windows there is

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shooting

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1208 Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold

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commit suicide after

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stopping a shootout with the police

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worth noting that the library was located

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exactly above the dining room, this is such a large

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building, a large hall, we will

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talk later about how the school was reconstructed,

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but to make it clearer, we will probably

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attach to the post a diagram and photographs

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from inside the school, despite

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the sign displayed in the window, here a person is bleeding,

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it was written with a marker on the blackboard,

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the special forces reached the office where he was

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slowly dying. Yes, and Sanders then, at 14

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hours 42 minutes, by the time

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the doctor got there, all that was left was

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to confirm his death. Yes, they were not breathing; the

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school was sealed for almost a day with mortal

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bodies inside; many parents found out that

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their child’s name was in the list of the dead only

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from the newspapers the next day before that he

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was listed as missing to the work of the authorities

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during the tragedy to this day there are still

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a lot of questions in total in the attack on the

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school 12 students died and one teacher

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at the scene of the tragedy one of the parents of the

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victims installed 15 crosses because

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he believed that mourns all 15 lost

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lives Needless to say, this

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act caused a storm of anger in

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the public, the crosses of Eric and Dylan

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defiantly destroyed the mother of the case. On the

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label, Sue, like all the mothers of

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Columbine School students, received a

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wake-up call at work that day as soon as

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the news hit her on television

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her husband called, usually so calm and

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reasonable, he spoke in a confused voice about the

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school shooting and that the

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suspect, whose names had not yet been

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named, were dressed in long black

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raincoats, she did not immediately understand what he wanted to

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say, but immediately rushed home to go,

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she was about for an hour all the way she

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replayed his words in her head one

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moment They seemed to her completely and in the

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next terrible and inevitable truth

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She dreamed that when she came home she would

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rummage through the whole room and find there

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this damn Black cloak that

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her husband could not find because it was the same crying

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that they bought the business But at his

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request today several months ago,

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but when she arrived, her husband was sitting on the

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steps on the street And there was already police in the house, an

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active search was underway,

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or Yes, they couldn’t watch the news

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because the police didn’t let them into the house, so

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they were very few knew about what was

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happening and how events were developing at

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Columbine School, but the mother of

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Brooks Brown, who arrived, confirmed their

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worst nightmare, one of the shooters was their

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son, and while all the mothers of

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Columbine School students were praying for their

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child to stay in the south, Leavold

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was praying for that so that her child would die and

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not be able to harm anyone again, a

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full excerpt of these descriptions of these

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events through the eyes of Sue I will try to

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translate and publish on our

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Telegram channel as soon as the news about the

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attack on Columbine school grew from

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local to national, journalists

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began to try to get information

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first-hand Brooks Brown was one of the first to talk

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to the press; journalists

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came to his home on the evening of the day of

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the attack. Perhaps this is due to the fact that he

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was closely associated with the so-called mafia.

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This story is very confusing and the press,

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in fact, was also very confused in it,

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and at first there were reports that it

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was she who carried out the shooting, although Eric and

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Dylan were not part of it, they communicated with the

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guys from there, but they just had raincoats

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Because they liked the way they

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looked and they covered Brooks’ weapon, they

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suspected that he was one of the

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conspirators, but later it turned out that it was

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Of course not like that. He told

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reporters about the relationship that

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connected him with Eric and Dylan and

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described in detail the situation with the threats and

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Eric’s website and even gave the press

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the address of this site, which, as it turned out,

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was still active, instantly

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the news spread all over the world, it turns out to be

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an attack could have been prevented because

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the police knew very well that Eric

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Harris was manufacturing

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tubular Bombs and was planning an attack on

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people, but as it turned out, a search warrant for

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Harris’ house was attached to

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materials from Sappers claiming that the

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contents of his site were not just

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pranks of a stupid schoolboy, but real

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instructions for action of

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stacks of files on someone's desk but

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always buried under other papers and

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later perhaps disappeared altogether, this

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caused rage among the public, not

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only did the person bleed to death and die while

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waiting for help while the special forces and the police

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could not find the right office, but also the

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whole attack could have been prevented by

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the police, namely, the Sheriff of Littleton by the

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name of Stone found himself under Fire and

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since the shooters themselves were dead, the

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police of the public needed a

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scapegoat, they became friends with Brown and his

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family, the police, without any evidence and

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even formally never

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presenting anything to Brooks, declared him a probable

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accomplice Erica And Dillan, that’s why

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Harris let him go from the scene, the

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public immediately

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attacked Brooks, they began to bully him, they

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shouted at him on the street, they advised him not to

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return to school again because

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no one wanted to see him there. In addition, the

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residents of Littleton were very offended by the fact that

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Brooks’s mother Judy support for

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Dillon's parents Brooks told about the

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terrible bullying that was happening within the

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walls of the school, bullying in which the

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teachers knew but did nothing, they did not

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believe him Brooks will continue to insist on

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his own and there is a certain controversy

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around this, but many are inclined to trust

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Kalin in his analytics and admit that

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some specific there was no bullying there,

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at least I think so, everything

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was the same as everywhere else, but at the same time,

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there is a video where Brooks provides

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some evidence of this bullying,

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if you are interested, write to us, we will send this

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video, the Brooks family, together with the families of

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several injured and killed children,

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began to seek an investigation negligent

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actions of the police, which lasted for

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several years and led to the fact that the

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case materials of this shooting attack

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on Columbine school became

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public knowledge, here

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I want to express separate Respect and disrespect.

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This is the father of one of the victims, he very fiercely

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insisted on the publication of all documents

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and thanks to his efforts and unbending

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will, the documents became

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public knowledge. Thanks to him for this. But

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then he fell into some kind of religious

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fanaticism, declared games to be to blame for everything

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and wrote some very saturated with

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hatred and such religious

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threats. If you understand what I mean, that

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you will all burn in hell and all that

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at the memorial, he insisted that there

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be such a phrase And in general, his

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further reaction was very much tied

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to religion from a psychological point of

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view, which is incorrect, as we now know,

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20 years later,

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deep analytics of this shooting and

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many others, parents and, in principle,

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everyone interested It was never

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possible to bring to justice those

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police officers who did not accept anything

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about Eric’s website, but thanks to them,

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information about the tragedy is not hushed up and

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is known to everyone. Well, in general, the issue of the fact

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that the police do not get what they deserve in

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America is now very acute How it

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can be seen from the News whether

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this is good or bad. In terms of publishing

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materials, this is a different question, but we’ll

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talk about it a little later. As for the

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unwitting accomplices of Harris and

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Klebold and the consequences of their actions, here,

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too, everything is not entirely clear: the guy from the

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pizzeria and his friend who was sold for

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500 dollars gun to Klebold, both

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received a 6-year sentence and became enemies of the

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people in their hometown. Although I do

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n’t know

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much more than half the population of

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this city in this state had firearms. As for

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Robin, a classmate of the guys who

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helped them buy just a whole sheet,

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just a whole basket. weapons, ammunition at

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the fair, she was dealt with only

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by interrogation, she did not immediately admit

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that she had helped them and somehow through a friend in an

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anonymous letter, as a result, these data

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were made public and then later

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during interrogation she told how everything

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really happened Despite that that the

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girl’s name appeared in the diaries

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of the shooters and she was fine.

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Along with the rest of the school students, she

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returned to classes, received

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psychological support from those around her

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and professional and why this happened. It’s not

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entirely clear, but it’s also

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difficult to say that she was guilty. It’s unlikely that she imagined

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that it would turn into such a terrible thing. attack And

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as I already said, every second person had a weapon,

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it’s clear that she didn’t

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expect it, but it’s just not clear why

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those two dudes got 6 years behind

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bars and the girl was just patted on the

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head and there was some kind of limit and they were

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granted immunity for the information

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that she reported the swelling probably didn’t

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cooperate very well, and well, anyway, it’s

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somehow not fair, the public

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needed scapegoats and it’s easier

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to make two nerds out of a

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pizzeria. The simpler goats are than goats, this is the

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other side of sexism,

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perhaps Columbine school was closed before At the

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beginning of the new school year, students

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received their diplomas and completed their

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last months of study at a neighboring school during the

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second shift, there was a big debate

00:18:03

about whether to demolish the school, leave it

00:18:04

to rebuild, or leave it as is, but

00:18:07

in the end it was decided to make quite a

00:18:09

significant renovation and over the summer it was

00:18:11

partially done and that’s all They opened a

00:18:15

more or less preserved form. In addition to

00:18:18

the library, which was later demolished, and

00:18:20

it turned out that in the dining room there was just

00:18:22

such a very high ceiling, such an Atrium,

00:18:24

in which they placed a

00:18:26

memorial to the Columbine victims. I’ll tell you about this a little

00:18:29

later why all this

00:18:31

happened. How did it even happen that

00:18:34

two boys from decent,

00:18:36

normal at first glance families went and

00:18:38

did this and why in principle this is

00:18:41

possible and this happens the answer to these

00:18:45

questions excites many people,

00:18:47

for example, it excites me and of course people are looking for

00:18:49

simple answers, understandable answers and not

00:18:52

some complex things. They are looking for where to

00:18:56

point the finger at us and say you are

00:18:58

to blame. This is to blame among the

00:19:00

popular reasons why this

00:19:02

happened. For example, music, as you know,

00:19:05

Eric and Dylan were fans of

00:19:09

Rammstein and other popular music. But if there is a

00:19:12

connection between music and the actions that

00:19:15

are performed by the person who listens to it, I

00:19:17

strongly doubt something and in any

00:19:19

case, the shooting at Columbine almost

00:19:21

cost Marilyn Manson his career Well, the

00:19:24

conservative media, which you already

00:19:26

mentioned when you stopped calling Fox

00:19:29

by name, said the

00:19:30

media closer to the state In the

00:19:33

first part of our story about

00:19:35

Columbine, I was like that, they found a

00:19:39

scapegoat in Marilyn Manson Well

00:19:41

in two more industrial groups like

00:19:43

Rammstein and this second one which is for MF

00:19:46

dm translation is a German phrase with some kind of

00:19:49

incorrect grammar but

00:19:51

it is translated more or less like no pity for the

00:19:53

majority this is a free translation of the group itself I

00:19:56

completely understood I read the article I was

00:19:58

left with some very superficial

00:19:59

understanding there, someone is very confused,

00:20:01

strange, but a little later I’ll mention it again, I

00:20:04

thought it was translated Kill

00:20:05

[ __ ] Depeche Mode It was translated like that in Russia

00:20:07

as a joke, okay, I’ll tell you

00:20:09

then now it’s some kind of

00:20:12

American-German group, but as I

00:20:14

understand it they were based they were mainly

00:20:15

in Germany and broke up in 99, but this had

00:20:19

nothing to do with the attack, but by a strange

00:20:21

coincidence, their last 10 album,

00:20:23

which marked their

00:20:25

disbandment, was released on April 20, the day of

00:20:28

the shooting, of course, this was not

00:20:29

on purpose because, well, they didn’t know

00:20:31

in advance, they later it’s true that later the

00:20:34

German group Sorry That You

00:20:36

Loved didn’t specially

00:20:38

release a new album on Hitler’s birthday. This is what

00:20:40

they could have known in advance; they will later

00:20:43

meet again with a new lineup

00:20:44

[music]

00:20:47

and about the tragedy at Columbine, and

00:20:53

Rammstein will very carefully express their opinion that they

00:20:56

do not support violence. And Nazism, whatever, the

00:20:58

bracket said that many of us are

00:21:00

Fathers and we raise our children in

00:21:02

other values, the correct ones and violence

00:21:05

is unacceptable. But since they are, well,

00:21:09

quite separate from the American

00:21:11

scene, they limited themselves to such statements,

00:21:13

and Manson, well, because the

00:21:16

Americans don’t care about everything not

00:21:18

American Well, A priori, it’s bad, bad and

00:21:20

it’s just uninteresting, they’ve

00:21:22

already canceled the last dates of their tour.

00:21:25

There, in my opinion, he still had five performances

00:21:27

left, as if in support of the mourning for the

00:21:30

victims of the flowerbed massacre, he’ll be treated

00:21:32

harshly. By the way, the

00:21:34

interruption from her video was very

00:21:37

respectful of Manson in his book and

00:21:39

there are reasons for this Because he will be

00:21:41

harshly accused on television, but he is

00:21:42

generally a very smart, balanced Dude

00:21:44

in the documentaries that Hot on the

00:21:46

Heels was made in 2002, in my opinion,

00:21:48

bowling for-klubayan is some kind of

00:21:52

yes, I wanted to say that the name

00:21:54

comes from the fact that di Erica

00:21:57

usually went bowling on Tuesdays,

00:21:59

so they got up so early yes yes, just like

00:22:01

that on the day of the attack he just had a

00:22:04

bowling alley no it was believed that they

00:22:07

went bowling But in fact no

00:22:08

no he had training but he didn’t

00:22:10

go to it yes yes And in this

00:22:13

documentary Manson will say his

00:22:14

very old famous phrase

00:22:17

about the shooting at Columbine when asked what

00:22:19

you would tell the children from

00:22:21

Columbine School he answers I wouldn’t say a

00:22:23

word to them but would listen to what they want to

00:22:25

say, after all, this is exactly what

00:22:28

no one did for them. But for the children in this sense,

00:22:29

Strelka Well, and for the victims, too, in

00:22:32

principle, for the children of this system, he

00:22:34

talks about how pressing the

00:22:37

School system is on people’s psyches and how easy it is to

00:22:40

say that Manson is to blame because he

00:22:43

dresses like wants and sings the kind of music

00:22:46

that he likes And in general, a

00:22:48

Christian, for example, shows

00:22:50

individuality, despite this this

00:22:54

pressure.

00:22:56

Well, someone will say about the same

00:22:58

people will say that these are all video games, but it

00:23:01

’s like Lol captivity, we all know that video games have nothing to do with it at all

00:23:04

here also someone

00:23:07

will call Eric and make him a Nazi, a

00:23:09

Satanist and some other ists, and

00:23:13

of course all kinds of Christians will

00:23:16

try to use this grandfather in

00:23:17

order to return the religious Aspect to the

00:23:19

school curriculum using as an

00:23:21

argument that Erica Dylan asked

00:23:23

one or more children before whether they were

00:23:25

in God before Shooting them But in

00:23:28

truth, faith was not much of an argument

00:23:30

for the shooters they shot And in general,

00:23:32

regardless of the answer, we probably won’t

00:23:34

go into details. But anyone

00:23:35

interested can read from Kalin or

00:23:38

on the Internet about the girl who was declared a

00:23:41

Christian martyr in general regarding the

00:23:43

fact that she was asked if she believed

00:23:46

in God and she said yes, and one of the

00:23:49

shooters allegedly told them then you will die

00:23:52

and shot at her and she died. But in

00:23:54

fact, it was all written down from the words of

00:23:56

one of the also wounded library guys

00:24:00

and it turned out that he completely mixed up everything

00:24:02

and there was a Book published about her life,

00:24:05

Casey, in my opinion, Her name was, but it turned out that

00:24:08

it was another girl who,

00:24:09

in fact, told the journalists on the news,

00:24:12

in fact, it was I who said it and I’m alive, and they

00:24:15

persecuted me very, very harshly there

00:24:16

such a gray area of morality and such a not

00:24:20

very pleasant side of this

00:24:22

clerical system that is trying to

00:24:24

attract parishioners against the backdrop of a tragedy,

00:24:27

this one here. Topic if you are interested,

00:24:29

read it, write, I’ll look there and

00:24:33

tell you for sure, of course, many

00:24:36

tried to use this attack for their own

00:24:39

purposes to politicize its maximum and

00:24:41

even in conspiracy theories the

00:24:45

attack is actively used as an argument that it’s like

00:24:48

on a UFO they organized something like about the

00:24:51

American government and

00:24:53

Columbine so that this would be the first

00:24:54

step to start tightening the screws

00:24:56

to set up a police State

00:24:58

back and forth and people who are in favor of weapons

00:25:01

they said that this is all because the

00:25:05

demands were made there was no opportunity to play with

00:25:07

daddy’s gun as a child he had

00:25:10

an obsession with weapons and people who are

00:25:13

against weapons said this is because

00:25:15

your stinking weapon is sold everywhere and

00:25:17

children can buy it in unlimited

00:25:19

quantities there the girl came rudely

00:25:21

talking to the supermarket about weapons and told

00:25:22

me this is this this is this this and

00:25:24

as if she just paid at the checkout,

00:25:27

roughly speaking, that is, many then

00:25:28

tried to use this as an argument in

00:25:31

their political game Well, in fact,

00:25:34

Eric had already turned 18

00:25:37

shortly before shooting in theory They could have

00:25:40

purchased these weapons themselves and a little

00:25:42

later everything just happened. What I mean is

00:25:45

that we discussed why the

00:25:47

girl was not sent so harshly

00:25:49

because that other weapon that is not

00:25:52

just smoothbore shotguns And

00:25:54

rifled ones, this is his check It’s more difficult to buy

00:25:57

there, like other rules work, and plus I

00:25:59

also wanted to mention how the national

00:26:02

Shooting Organization will very

00:26:04

firmly defend its position, and then

00:26:06

this debate will begin. Is it necessary

00:26:08

to limit the sale of

00:26:10

firearms and there it depends on the States of the States But

00:26:12

in the end, we all know that in America this

00:26:14

problem has not been solved and the lobby nr A National

00:26:17

assassation is very strong and in short there has been an

00:26:19

ass for more than 20 years, you yourself know

00:26:24

and about how Eric’s victims were chosen they

00:26:28

later found a list in quotes of

00:26:31

his enemies. Here is this killist who was

00:26:34

never made public but in fact

00:26:36

they killed they just shot people randomly,

00:26:38

like how everyone was shot, many

00:26:42

people change their parents. What could be

00:26:44

simpler? people think that this will

00:26:46

never happen to them, that they will never

00:26:49

raise them, but Eric Haris or the case

00:26:51

was labeled yes because they are normal

00:26:53

and unlike the parents of those uro they

00:26:56

will raise other freaks, that is, a

00:26:58

normal person, a normal parent will not

00:27:01

raise some psychopathic maniac,

00:27:03

I don’t know about Eric’s parents, but who

00:27:05

doubts that clibalda had

00:27:07

normal parents? Look at any

00:27:09

stock of his mother. Sue label is an

00:27:12

amazing person who absolutely

00:27:15

took his personal Tragedy and her personal

00:27:18

failure as a parent, well, in fact, a failure Yes, and she

00:27:22

made an example out of this. How not to.

00:27:26

Which she speaks about absolutely honestly and

00:27:28

openly, absolutely openly

00:27:30

gets to the bottom of the problem and it’s

00:27:34

very painful to listen to her and at the same time

00:27:37

Well, it’s super useful and opens in general, the

00:27:41

horizons in a smart way seem almost to the point of tears.

00:27:44

Well, of course, someone will say that the fact is

00:27:46

that they are simply Crazy, that these are

00:27:49

sick people, just really crazy people,

00:27:51

and this is also a very simple mechanism for protecting the

00:27:54

psyche; a

00:27:55

normal person would never do this, but

00:27:58

we are all with with you around there and Tim, you and I

00:28:00

are normal people and our brothers, sisters

00:28:03

there, fathers, children are all normal too, we are all

00:28:08

normal, which means this will never happen to us,

00:28:09

that is, crazy people want to say,

00:28:11

Like we are insured against this because

00:28:13

we are normal and we are such children we won’t

00:28:16

educate ourselves and we ourselves This won’t

00:28:18

happen it’s also such a simple

00:28:19

answer very simple The answer is one of many

00:28:22

and none of these answers

00:28:26

fully gives the real reasons why

00:28:28

this happened because the truth is

00:28:30

that there is no simple answer to this question and

00:28:33

therefore he is very scary and most of all

00:28:36

on this topic, it seems to me that

00:28:38

the phrase of psychology professor Solomon

00:28:42

who said that individually Eric

00:28:45

is not Hitler, who in his diaries

00:28:46

fantasizes about rape and

00:28:48

murder, and it’s not about Holden Caulfield,

00:28:51

who most often uses in his diaries, is appropriate

00:28:53

the word love and writes about the fact

00:28:56

that only suicide will help him stop

00:28:59

hating himself so much and when

00:29:01

these two Neds meet it turns out

00:29:03

beyond what we joked during preparation, it’s

00:29:06

as if the Dead from the Norwegian

00:29:09

Metalheads about whom we had an issue

00:29:11

met with a warg And if if there

00:29:13

wasn’t a layer of veronimos between them, it would

00:29:15

all be much tougher Norway

00:29:17

burned down badatla absolutely or as

00:29:20

if the warg met with John

00:29:24

Lennon’s killer I think John Lennon’s killer is

00:29:25

also a depressive killer Well, he’s also like that

00:29:28

Yes, not a funny dude by the way in a podcast

00:29:31

about the theory of evolution what -some time ago

00:29:34

I came across an analysis of the tragedy from the point

00:29:36

of view of its consequences for the world in which

00:29:38

we live, as if there were global consequences and the

00:29:41

creators of the Podcasts assumed that

00:29:43

such a tragedy is for the better. It teaches us

00:29:46

survivors where danger can come from,

00:29:48

that it can come from two completely

00:29:50

ordinary guys with full families and

00:29:52

good grades, which once again proves

00:29:55

that we don’t know at all the people who

00:29:57

surround us and are afraid of everyone and

00:30:00

man A wild unbridled creature with

00:30:02

one leg We are always in the dark jungle

00:30:04

and irrational and reasonable part of us

00:30:06

It’s just like a Thin

00:30:09

Thin veil separating us from our

00:30:11

bestial evolutionary essence Well,

00:30:15

on the one hand, evolution in this

00:30:17

context is cool, on the other hand,

00:30:20

how the conservative layer in the States is

00:30:22

struggling with adequate

00:30:25

gun control laws that

00:30:28

would certainly reduce the number of victims. Although they

00:30:30

are partly the root cause. But in

00:30:32

general, then this is a very difficult question, it

00:30:34

seems to me that this is one of the problems of our

00:30:36

time that has yet to be solved yes

00:30:39

Of course, Erica Dylan in

00:30:43

quotes inspired a very long time people

00:30:44

who experienced similar problems, we are not

00:30:48

trying to say that they did it

00:30:50

because Erica Dylan inspired them they

00:30:52

would do it in any case, Eric, we

00:30:55

will simply propose a pattern,

00:30:57

this is an action at the intersection of mass

00:31:00

murder and terrorism, that is, we don’t

00:31:02

just come and shoot our

00:31:05

classmates or people from our school or

00:31:09

our colleagues, but this also happens in

00:31:12

such a theatrical setting with a show

00:31:13

with helicopters publications on social networks,

00:31:16

pop-up diaries and all that. And of

00:31:19

course, the consequences of April 20, 1999

00:31:22

turned out to be long-lasting; in fact,

00:31:25

this is the downside of the fact that

00:31:27

documents on the case were made public in such

00:31:30

quantities because these are their plans, the

00:31:32

original plan which we did not

00:31:34

deliberately talk about, which we did not

00:31:36

describe this plan is quite good

00:31:40

and it serves for many people as a

00:31:44

guide to how this can be

00:31:45

done Yes, actually the big problem is

00:31:48

why their main plan failed,

00:31:52

they planned more than a hundred victims there

00:31:54

because he didn’t know how to solder properly, he somehow

00:31:57

got smart there in the scheme to blow it up

00:31:59

or did not work on propane bombs on

00:32:01

large cylinders, on the one hand, if

00:32:03

we talk about the advantages and positive

00:32:06

effects, security measures were taken at the

00:32:08

school, frames were installed, metal detectors were introduced,

00:32:11

all school uniforms were introduced, it became

00:32:14

prohibited to carry large

00:32:15

opaque bags, we are talking about the states,

00:32:17

of course Just Damn We always had a

00:32:20

security guard at the school and all the rogues didn’t

00:32:22

let anyone I don’t know in. That’s when I

00:32:24

studied. Listen, I, I studied. I graduated from

00:32:28

school in 2003 and literally in the

00:32:30

last two years we have had a

00:32:31

metal detector and a security guard at the school, this

00:32:34

little granny was sitting on the door. Well, yes yes Well, that

00:32:37

means these are also probably consequences. That

00:32:40

is, this is just about possible. Yes,

00:32:43

besides this. What is much more important from

00:32:46

my point of view, the

00:32:47

police response protocols were revised. In

00:32:51

such situations,

00:32:53

two important concepts were formulated shooter and passive shooter

00:32:56

active shooter and passive shooter on

00:32:58

active shooters react differently, they

00:33:01

try to neutralize them as quickly as possible, and a

00:33:04

passive shooter is exactly a hostage-

00:33:06

taking situation, the protocol of which was

00:33:08

used at Columbine. And as you understand

00:33:11

from our story, he was completely

00:33:12

unsuitable for victims, there would have been much fewer

00:33:14

if the first arriving police

00:33:16

had begun the assault immediately at the end after all, Eric’s

00:33:19

business, he wanted to die from police

00:33:20

bullets Well, Kalen is speculating, but most

00:33:22

likely it’s true, and to give a little

00:33:24

structure to what I just

00:33:26

said so emotionally, it was previously

00:33:28

accepted to create a perimeter to surround

00:33:31

the building and contain the spread, and

00:33:35

when the special forces came in, they were just room

00:33:37

by room they left a safe zone behind

00:33:40

them and methodically combed the entire building,

00:33:43

now they do it differently, in an ideal case,

00:33:46

teams of four officers form up. They

00:33:49

call it a Diamond diamond so that

00:33:51

they look forward to the right to the left and back. And

00:33:54

this information

00:33:55

is used for sound and

00:33:57

neutralizes the shooters as quickly as possible, even if

00:33:59

they kill innocent in this case, it is

00:34:03

still mathematically better than if the

00:34:06

active shooter continues to shoot

00:34:07

because he will inevitably

00:34:09

injure or kill more victims during this time, this

00:34:12

protocol saved dozens if not hundreds of

00:34:14

lives, it’s very cool that they did it And if they

00:34:16

don’t get four cops, then they

00:34:17

have to go even alone, even together, it

00:34:20

seems to impose certain obligations on them,

00:34:22

and there were repeated

00:34:25

cases of heroism of the police in this

00:34:27

case. Actually, as the

00:34:29

cops who arrived in Columbia wanted, But

00:34:31

according to the protocol they were not allowed to do this, and as

00:34:33

for the imitators and people for

00:34:35

whom this was an inspiration, all

00:34:37

this history and this scenario they seemed to

00:34:40

take as an instruction yes This

00:34:43

also happened to be the most famous in

00:34:45

America is that the son of hihi is a

00:34:48

guy of Korean origin who shot

00:34:50

about 50 people of which 32 were

00:34:54

killed this is the most mass murder in a school

00:34:58

so far he was inspired by Eric and

00:35:00

Dylan, they didn’t appear in his records and

00:35:03

Well, damn he They inspired But there are

00:35:05

countless of them, about 60,

00:35:09

and so including Russia and other countries of the

00:35:12

former USSR, one of the ones that

00:35:15

made a lot of noise lately is the

00:35:18

bestial schoolchildren who shot out of the

00:35:21

window at the police and then they shot

00:35:23

everyone and of course the attack in Kerch which

00:35:25

was very massive in terms of the number of

00:35:28

deaths and there the shooter openly imitated

00:35:31

business-like Eric, he dressed like them and he

00:35:34

had a T-shirt with the inscription “hate”,

00:35:37

essentially a direct reference to the inscription on one

00:35:39

of the T-shirts of the shooters, in my opinion, Eric

00:35:43

was written naturally by audion selection

00:35:45

Rage Hatred the first of many

00:35:49

attacks on the school inspired by both

00:35:51

Kharis and Klinda it happened to go absolutely

00:35:54

nuts 8 days after the flowerbed it

00:35:57

happened in Canada 14 year old boy

00:35:59

came to school with a shotgun and killed

00:36:01

one child Well and this formed

00:36:04

such a whole fandom a cult, in

00:36:06

fact, the guys call themselves Columbiners,

00:36:09

these are not necessarily shooters, but just people

00:36:11

who think that Erica Dylan is great

00:36:13

And who sympathizes with them, yes, they have a

00:36:16

lot of sympathizers, the most terrible thing I

00:36:20

saw with my own eyes, I watched it when

00:36:23

the documentary was getting ready for release, I

00:36:26

watched Zero,

00:36:29

this is a documentary Discovery

00:36:32

I’ll tell you more about it a little later and there on the translation

00:36:35

video on YouTube below there were comments

00:36:37

about Kerch where the dudes are there with hearts and

00:36:40

links to some detailed materials

00:36:42

on VKontakte everything has already been blocked as of

00:36:44

today they wrote something like Erica -

00:36:46

that’s what inspired Kerch Cool Cool

00:36:48

Cool and I just generally have such a

00:36:49

rage boiling over, that is, and such a lack of

00:36:52

understanding mixed with at the same time these

00:36:56

children They either attract attention

00:36:58

or This is a kind of cry for help and

00:37:01

this is something with which we can work

00:37:03

something that we can change this should

00:37:05

be the goal of global humanity so that

00:37:07

such attacks don’t happen anymore Well, it’s

00:37:09

just these two dudes Erica Delana they

00:37:12

embody something for these children they

00:37:15

embody some kind of heroic image for

00:37:17

them Well, rather, actually, if

00:37:19

you look Sorry for interrupting I recently

00:37:21

rewatched the film Brother 2, it’s also not

00:37:24

far from Dylan Eric, so

00:37:27

if you judge it I mean, if

00:37:29

you look at it like that, it’s very scary and

00:37:33

incomprehensible, this is the topic of who inspires

00:37:35

people, who people see as a hero,

00:37:38

despite the negativity, look

00:37:41

despite obvious evil, I didn’t have

00:37:44

any sharply negative experiences at

00:37:46

school and at some point I realized that I

00:37:48

myself might not be the most pleasant person

00:37:50

on earth and I tried

00:37:53

to regulate my behavior and I recently had a period

00:37:57

when I wrote to the guys with which I

00:37:59

made fun of during my school years and I

00:38:01

apologized to them because there

00:38:03

was an example there too, we went to camp with a dude

00:38:06

And everyone bullied him because of his excess

00:38:08

weight and I also joined in this bullying

00:38:10

And recently I felt very

00:38:12

ashamed, I wrote to him and asked forgiveness

00:38:15

and he reacted, he actually said such

00:38:17

a phrase, I know that you and the guys didn’t mean it

00:38:20

Thank you for writing And it

00:38:22

was not at all the kind of reaction that I

00:38:25

expected, he could, like,

00:38:26

swear at me and he would have every right

00:38:29

to do that And to which I actually

00:38:31

didn’t have such a feeling towards

00:38:33

students, but I had such an

00:38:34

attitude towards teachers when

00:38:37

you feel absolutely powerless

00:38:38

and these images give you a kind of

00:38:41

catharsis like power like you

00:38:44

imagine yourself in their place and you think

00:38:47

you’ll all be like singing to my tune,

00:38:49

you freaks, and it seems to me that this is where

00:38:55

their fans in quotes find peace But this is wrong

00:38:57

And if you feel something like that

00:38:59

Talk to your parents if your

00:39:02

parents don’t understand you Although most likely

00:39:03

your parents will understand and support

00:39:05

Talk to friends, you can always have

00:39:07

phones Trust, you can always find

00:39:09

someone to talk to I hope that you

00:39:11

can always find someone to talk to Well, yes,

00:39:13

because for example, with clible, the

00:39:16

main problem was that he didn’t

00:39:18

know who to talk to he didn’t

00:39:20

think that anyone could understand him, but the

00:39:23

guys seem to be able to understand you, there are

00:39:25

people who understand this and who

00:39:28

want and can help. Well, go ahead, he thought

00:39:31

that he should do everything himself, what is this

00:39:34

too, don’t take on more than

00:39:36

you can ask help is normal.

00:39:39

Asking for help is not a sign of

00:39:41

weakness, and by the way, I wanted to say

00:39:44

about Kerch that unfortunately, yes, this

00:39:48

case is because it is the largest

00:39:55

school shooting on the territory of our post-Soviet space, and it inspired

00:39:57

this particular case of a 15-year-old boy

00:40:00

who I I don’t know. He’s heard about

00:40:02

Columbine or not, but a year ago in the

00:40:05

Saratov region, it seems, a boy went with a

00:40:08

Molotov cocktail and an ax to attack a

00:40:12

teacher and some classmates. And

00:40:14

by the way, he left a video message, too,

00:40:18

this is exactly what distinguishes Columbine from the

00:40:22

shooting games that were before,

00:40:24

theatricality like this like a

00:40:26

message message Well, yes, a mission That is, as we

00:40:29

said, Misha is a killer who kills

00:40:32

to convey some kind of message to the

00:40:35

universe. If you want to somehow

00:40:38

learn more about the school shooting about

00:40:42

this case, then we have for you a list of

00:40:45

movies and books that We

00:40:49

listed the documentaries for you at the beginning, but now

00:40:52

we’ll list them again, by the way, Yes, and

00:40:56

Vocalin came out with a new book last

00:40:58

year about a school shooting,

00:41:01

but it’s not in Russian, but I think you

00:41:05

can probably read it in English, I don’t

00:41:07

know, I’m not sure, but we’ll see

00:41:11

from I recommend the movie Elephant Gas Advance,

00:41:15

of course it’s not based on real

00:41:18

events, but inspired by the movie Hard

00:41:21

movie Cool, watch it if you’re interested,

00:41:24

and as far as I understand, it was filmed Just

00:41:27

in the wake of the fact that they thought that the cause of

00:41:29

everything was bullying, which is not entirely true because,

00:41:32

well, Eric was a psychopath and would have done

00:41:35

this in any case and he had no

00:41:36

external reasons, they were internal,

00:41:39

that’s why their messages are so vague.

00:41:41

That is, if these were athletes

00:41:43

who mocked them. Why aren’t

00:41:45

athletes killed? They killed by

00:41:46

accident; they just shoved weapons

00:41:48

under the tables and they shot without looking Who is

00:41:50

there, this is something like this Be

00:41:52

careful and critical of everything you

00:41:54

look at on this topic Here is my message but

00:41:56

the movie is great In this case I’m talking

00:41:58

exclusively about the movie there’s something wrong with

00:42:01

Kevin This is the story of the parents of a

00:42:04

psychopathic teenager who at any moment ready

00:42:06

to explode there is played by a young Ezr Miller

00:42:09

actually a teenager psychopaths who else should he

00:42:11

play there there is a book it was published

00:42:14

in Russian in 2013 the book is good

00:42:16

but of course the stubborn carriers Russian

00:42:20

publishers I don’t know who it was they couldn’t

00:42:22

translate the title properly I’m

00:42:24

sorry I’m really worried about this

00:42:25

completely without looking for its meaning in general, this

00:42:28

book is called you are not here only boun

00:42:30

That is, this is a phrase with uplible

00:42:33

Well, look for this story under the absurd and

00:42:36

absolutely incorrect and stupid

00:42:38

title The price of love Forgive me, a

00:42:40

little of this just burned out And also

00:42:43

there is a zero day and this is, uh, the

00:42:48

picture has been restored events of that day

00:42:50

where the actors play are not very similar

00:42:53

plays Eric and Dylan not very good

00:42:56

because it was not very carefully filmed with a

00:42:58

bunch of assumptions but I couldn’t help but

00:43:01

list there is also a film

00:43:02

called when the shots stopped

00:43:04

in English it is called differently but

00:43:07

this is not the same infuriating distortion of meaning,

00:43:09

so let him live, this is a good story

00:43:11

on the topic of survival after an attack, with a

00:43:14

dash of school drama about treacherous

00:43:16

[ __ ], and I watched this movie at one time, it’s

00:43:19

very cool, it’s business Williams,

00:43:23

I think she plays frix and games And that

00:43:26

’s why I love her very much, good the film and

00:43:29

there is also a book by Jennifer Brown

00:43:32

hate list teenage fiction

00:43:34

inspired by Columbine was published in

00:43:37

2018 in Russian but I don’t know I’m

00:43:42

more from documentaries I watched

00:43:45

Mostly the first two of them were filmed by

00:43:50

Discovery in 2004 called Zero

00:43:52

even actually this is

00:43:54

Zero material our and they have an episode

00:43:57

about Columbine and well then

00:44:01

they had very little information not everything was

00:44:02

made public about the Diaries it was

00:44:03

unknown and this is a limited Series from

00:44:07

showtime Hello Dexters Hello Hank

00:44:09

Muse is called Active Shooter America

00:44:11

Underfire 2017 season there is the last

00:44:14

episode 8 about Columbine And the first

00:44:16

one, by the way, about the shooting of Aurora, in our

00:44:20

episode about the murder inspired by the

00:44:22

Joker, there is just anyone in the role there, the

00:44:24

main main story in Tomsk

00:44:27

Holmes is another sick bastard And by

00:44:30

the way, he says in his knees that this is

00:44:31

these shooter America Underfire - this is the most

00:44:34

True it’s cool, he attacks her in short, but

00:44:36

in fact there’s just a

00:44:41

large part of the documentary, about a

00:44:43

quarter of this interview with Dame

00:44:46

[laughter]

00:44:51

Yes, between Edward and David, I choose

00:44:54

David

00:44:55

It’s not bad, there’s also a whole separate

00:44:59

layer of history about Columbine, these are

00:45:02

conspiracy theories Thanks for this reddit

00:45:05

whose

00:45:06

name is simply seething, of course, we have already mentioned a couple.

00:45:11

But of those that are so interesting and

00:45:15

deserve some attention, this is

00:45:17

that in fact there were three shooters and not

00:45:20

two And that even there there is an assumption

00:45:22

Who exactly it was and And also there is

00:45:27

another theory about the fact that

00:45:29

Eric actually killed Dylan and then shot himself, but

00:45:32

it is completely refuted and there is also

00:45:35

a theory that he wanted to, uh, at the

00:45:38

last moment, abandon the operation

00:45:40

and Eric threatened him with almost

00:45:44

reprisals against his family as well, so as to

00:45:46

force you to participate, but most

00:45:48

likely it’s all [ __ ] and [ __ ], if you’re

00:45:51

interested, write me I can send you

00:45:54

a link to reddit where

00:45:56

all these conspiracy theories are actually listed,

00:45:59

we tried in the first issue.

00:46:02

At the beginning of this, to withstand such

00:46:04

drama, that’s why they turned out

00:46:06

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