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[Applause]
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we've been following mom Delina since
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2000 when a judge pointed her out to our
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producers as one of the few kids who
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defy the odds we were told if ever there
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was a success story in the child welfare
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system this teenage mom is the girl I
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had to take my mom to court and prove
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that she was an unfit parent um and that
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um you know I was doing fine in Foster
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hair um and um I was also old enough um
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I was um 16 whenever I did it and they
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looked at my mom's background my mom had
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been in prison for educational neglect
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and then she had also not had us for 8
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and 1/2 years I had to prove that my mom
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you know was not the person you know
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that should be in my life and I sure did
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so with no real parent to care for her
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juvenile court has become a way of life
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for Delina a surreal second home where
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decisions that dictate a child's future
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become a safety net from a lifetime of
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abuse having lived in more than 15
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foster homes since first becoming a ward
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of the state Delina is back before judge
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Talia faroh for this six-month review
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hearing let's go on the record please in
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the matter of Delina this matter is set
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today for a review hearing who's with
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you Delina my foster mother Kathy Brown
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Delina was 14 when she got pregnant with
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her son Gavin and both remain Wards of
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the Court shortly after his birth Delina
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went to live with foster mom Kathy Brown
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the three have been a family ever since
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so has the baby he's great he is so
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smart he's 2 and a half and actually
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have a picture I'd love to see it well I
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guess your foster mother's not proud of
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him is that right not at all not at all
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is that right oh that's wonderful he's
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he's adorable thank you Jena you've done
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very well in foster care there's not
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been one problem since you've been
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placed in foster care not one but take
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care of yourself see you in about 6
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months she's done such a great job yes
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she do she really has so so proud of her
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she wants to be independent she's scared
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to death of being
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independent um she thinks she can take
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care of herself she's pretty sure she
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can't take care of herself and Gavin
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alone right now um I hope she
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knows um and we've talked about this
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they can live with me as long as they
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want Delina is a senior in high school
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and thriving both academically and at
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home everyone involved in her case
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admits Delina is more than just a
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successful foster child she's an
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extraordinary teen who has never been in
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trouble with a law and has refused to
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let a lifetime in the child welfare
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system destroy her dreams with a judge
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rooting for her and a supportive foster
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mom everything seems to be on track for
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Delina as her 18th birthday
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approaches if only it could have stayed
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this
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way I'm really ashamed of myself she
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took me as a teenager with my son took
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me into her house and then in a way I I
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betrayed
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her when we see Delina again just a few
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months later her life has crumbled
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around her for reasons even she can't
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explain Delina stole two checks from
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foster mom Kathy Brown then ran away
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from home after a week on the Run
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missing her son Gavin was too much to
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bear and so I called be I said I can't
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do this anymore I need to see him
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I took myself to the shelter and then I
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lost him and I haven't seen him I didn't
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get to see him for weeks for weeks and
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that was
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just and then the first time I saw him
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the first thing he said to me was mommy
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are you sad and I just I could not
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believe it I mean just how much him and
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I had been together he just he knew he
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could feel it Delina now lives in yet
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another new foster home while she awaits
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her trial on theft and for forgery
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charges she is allowed to see Gavin only
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twice a week and those visits are
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supervised by a social
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worker Gavin continues to live with
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foster mom Kathy Brown as Delina awaits
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trial as the weeks pass Delina knows her
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fate lies in one person's hands and even
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judge Talia faroh admits this is one
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court date she never expected well I
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hate to say that I was disappointed it
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because that's not fair to Delena
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because obviously this is delena's
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struggle it's surprising but we
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shouldn't be so surprised because after
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all it has to be frightening for a young
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person almost 18 years of age uh Without
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A solid family without family support
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the things that many of us take for
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granted Delina is on trial for forging
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two of Kathy Brown's checks totaling
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almost
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$400 on the record please this is Deputy
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prosecuting attorney Brett Raper tries
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to get to the bottom of why a model
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foster child like Delina would risk
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everything for a random friend who said
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he needed the money what were you going
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to do with the money that you received
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from these items I was going to give it
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to a
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person that I liked that wanted it next
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on the stand is delina's child welfare
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case manager Michelle Fields like judge
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Talia farell Michelle has been one of
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delina's biggest supporters during her
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12 years in the system she was
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considered the star child you know one
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of the kids on our case load that you
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talk highly about that you say I wish I
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had more kids like Delina um she was out
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speaking to other teenagers about um not
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getting pregnant at a young age and why
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you shouldn't do that but not even
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Michelle find an excuse for delina's
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current mess one of the recommendations
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is that Delina go to secure detention uh
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today for five days of the 30 possible
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days any concerns about
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that I don't think she understands that
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if she were an adult 5 days would be a
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miracle in addition she has a child to
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which this is negatively affecting and
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the woman who gave toena the first real
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home she's ever known tells the court
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she supports a tough love approach I
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agree with the recommendations Delina
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also said to me Kathy I never meant to
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hurt you I didn't think you'd find
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out this did hurt you very much though
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didn't it it it's been
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devastating I told Delina in the first
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time we ever met when she said I just
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want a place to live where I'm wanted I
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want to be part of a family I said
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that's what I want I want a a family
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I've been saving for her
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College I didn't know what else to do
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when I found out she forged the
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checks then to to press criminal
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charges I wanted to be delina's mother
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and Gavin's
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grandmother I I want her to accept some
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responsibility Delena could you look at
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me for what she's done to
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me and from her own heart make some
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amends as opposed to people telling her
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what she has to do as Delina cries from
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her seat in the courtroom it will be
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judge Talia faroh and judge Talia
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Pharaoh alone who will decide delina's
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fate but before she makes her decision
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Delina will get one last chance to
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convince the judge she shouldn't be
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locked up for her offense at this time
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then Mr Chon I will permit Delena to say
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whatever it is that she would like to
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say and then I will render my decision
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coming up judge Talia phoh seals
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delina's fate
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youo
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you and new beginnings and Old Wounds
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how this teenage mom surprises every
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everyone with her wrenching decision
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there's not a day that goes by that I
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don't think about it and a fight at home
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leads to the unthinkable for this
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teenage boy and his mom I don't know
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what's next we um filled out the
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paperwork and it's like I was signing
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his life away because they you know
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they're asking for all his information
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you know his birth
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certificate so it's like I'm giving him
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away
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but
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and a young girl struggles to break free
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from a life of shackles and
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[Music]
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[Music]
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medications Joshua went after a sister
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with a pair of scissors I didn't see it
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she came out of the bathroom from
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[Applause]
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screaming it's a warm fall morning in
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this community just outside Chicago as
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another long day begins for juvenile
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judge Mary Beth
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bonaventura the judge a 22-year veteran
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of child welfare Court watches as
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13-year-old Joshua enters her courtroom
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where the testimony you're about to give
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to be the truth the whole truth Joshua
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is here today after a weekend of
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violence at home home but this fresh
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face seventh grader isn't the victim
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he's accused of being the perpetrator
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all right we're here today for uh a
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charge of battery and that happened in
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your home is that right ma'am yes do you
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want to tell the court what happened
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Joshua went after a sister with the pair
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of scissors I didn't see it she came out
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of the bathroom screaming and I told him
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to go to his room and he didn't want to
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he threw stuff at me and then he walked
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out of his room when I walked out
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followed me and then he punched me in
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the face with the fist um he split my
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lip and made my head go back against the
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wall then he choked me then he spit on
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me and I told my daughter to call 911 is
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this the first time something like this
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has happened to this extent where he
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punched me yeah are you afraid of Joshua
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yes do you want him to come back into
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your home
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no so at this time you don't want to
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take him home with you no I I don't know
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what else to do with him I have you had
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him any counseling
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he been in counseling since he was in
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third grade like so many kids who end up
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in front of Judge bonaventura Joshua has
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been in and out of trouble for years but
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this is the first time his behavior has
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landed him in juvenile court you will
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see the experience will leave his whole
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family overwhelmed and confused he's
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been in a juvenile detention center for
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4 days waiting for this hearing and
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today he's about to find out his latest
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Outburst has cost him a huge price his
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his home because his mother says she can
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no longer deal with him the judge almost
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has no choice in her course of action
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and in front of our cameras this boy who
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came into court a juvenile delinquent
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still under his parents' care leaves a
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ward of the state in legal terms Joshua
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is now a child in need of services today
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the court will find probable cause to
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believe this child has committed a
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delinquent Act refer the matter to the
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prosecutor's office to file a petition
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the court will order that the child also
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today be made a temporary War of the
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division of family and children and
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order that he undergo a psychological
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evaluation and I will order that the
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division of family and children find
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placement for him Joshua do you have any
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questions no ma'am all right thank you
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as the Bale leads Joshua out of court
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it's up to his mom and stepdad to make
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it official they sign the papers
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temporarily giving their son over to the
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custody of the state I wanted to say no
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I want to take him home you know he's my
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son I I need him at home but I also knew
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that I have to do the best thing to help
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him they're asking for all his
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information you know his birth
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certificate so it's like I'm giving him
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away he came out and he was just so
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angry and and so I mean yeah but I
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wanted to hug him I wanted to say Josh I
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love you you know it's not because I
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don't want you or because you're
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terrible but I don't know I just
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couldn't I had to make the point that
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Josh you really you stepped over the
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line you're here because you know you
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really went way over back inside Joshua
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tells our producer he sees things
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differently were you sad yeah cuz my mom
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said she didn't want me
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so do you think that that's really how
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she
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feels yeah I I I want to go live with my
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dad in
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Texas but I don't think they'll let me I
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only get to talk to him like twice a
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month cuz my mom doesn't like me talking
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to him I ask him if I could call him and
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she'll be like no no no most of the time
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I when she goes to work I just still
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call him if you can have a perfect
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situation right now what would it be my
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mom will be standing right here and I
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tell her I was sorry and asked her if
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she' forgive me and then I just tell her
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that I want to live with my dad cuz it'd
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be better for both of us his mom says
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she and Josh's dad divorced when he was
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a toddler by the time he was in grade
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school fits of anger became the norm but
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no one in the family SU expected things
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would ever get this bad Josh now finds
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himself caught up in the juvenile
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justice system and he and his family
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will soon learn it takes time lots of it
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to be free of that system now you know
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why I shot these right this is in case
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you guys run away cuz if you run away
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I'm going to give this to the police
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department I'm going to give it to every
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Police Department in the state of
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Indiana to find you I would have
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preferred to work with Joshua in the
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home with the parents and some intensive
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counseling maybe Joshua on probation a
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probation officer going to the school
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going to the home monitoring his
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behavior U maybe doing some parenting
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classes and some parenting skills in the
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home with the other children that
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opportunity wasn't there so what I can
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only hope for now is that through
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therapy and Joshua may be growing up a
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little bit on his own maybe some
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separation maybe she'll miss him and
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want to work harder on it that we can
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reunite them because as I told her in
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court as much as we like Joshua it's
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still her child and the law says that we
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have to reunite families and hopefully
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we can work toward that I mean the
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verbal abuse is one thing but you know
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and I told him if he wants to hit me hit
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me I'm 64 240 lbs knock yourself out you
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know we bought him a punching bag so we
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get punched that when he got angry you
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know it's not like we as parents haven't
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tried everything that he's been in the
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rainbow program he's been in Banana
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Splits we've been to family therapy he's
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been in individual therapy he's on
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medication to try to control his um
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anxiety it's to the point where he has
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to understand that he's responsible for
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his actions and I think that's what his
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problem is he doesn't understand that he
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is responsible for his actions now 4
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days after beating up his mom Joshua
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faces the consequences he has no idea
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where he's headed or for how long cuz
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like I don't even know where I'm going
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or anything it's like they're just
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pulling me like my dog on a leash what
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should the state do to help a boy like
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Joshua as his parents now learn signing
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over your child to the custody of the
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state has enormous far-reaching
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consequences teams of counselors
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therapists casew workers and other
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Specialists will now decide where Joshua
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will live and for how long and in the
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next 2 weeks Josh's life will take a
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drastic
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turn coming up she grabbed a kitchen
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knife and threatened to stab her sister
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threatened to kill herself and then she
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took a coat hanger put it around her
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neck Joshua isn't the only teenager
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swept up in chaos in a quiet rural
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Indiana town we see pain tears and
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shackles that normally remain hidden
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behind closed
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doors
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she got into an argument with her sister
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and she asked me for a cigarette and I
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said no I said you don't need
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one well I'm going to kill myself for
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nearly 8 months 13-year-old Connie has
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been a patient at Meadows Hospital a
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facility that specializes in behavioral
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health problems her mom tells us the
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story of how Connie became a ward of the
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court and why the state had to take
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control when she no longer could
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she took off in my room don't know how
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much or what quantity of pills she did
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take she grabbed a kitchen
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knife um threatened to stab her sister
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threatened to kill herself stab
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herself well we fought the kitchen knife
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off of her got
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that and then she took a coat
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hanger put it around her neck and at
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that point I had seen her eyes and I
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knew that she took quite a bit whatever
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she did and she didn't have a whole lot
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of time the past eight months at Meadows
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Hospital have been a hellish ride for
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Connie she's in court today on a battery
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charge accused of assaulting staff at
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Meadows Hospital proceed is as follow Mr
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rap Connie's case is a complicated one a
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young teenager with severe emotional
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problems violent outbursts and a family
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in turmoil the judge must decide today
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what whether to keep Connie at Meadows
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hospital or send her to secure detention
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if there's probable cause to believe she
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beat up staff at Meadows and just in the
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past few days there's a new incident to
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deal with um she was asked I believe to
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um take a time out she refused to do
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that went to her bedroom um was given an
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opportunity to come out on her own
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refused to do that did subsequently come
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out and in the process shoved the staff
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into the wall um she was taken down and
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during that process um spit and kicked
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tried to scratch and we just became
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highly aggressive in that process of
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just trying to get her to the quiet room
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is she under a medication Connie's
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therapist proceeds to run through a
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Litany of drugs Celexa for depression
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depote for aggression and mood
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stabilization zpra for impulsivity and
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triazone at night to help her sleep
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every individual has to accept
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responsibility for him or herself and
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and we I don't expect any more of these
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young people who come into court than
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they are capable of doing nearly an hour
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goes by as witness after witness tells
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judge Talia faroh that Connie's Behavior
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at Meadows hospital is out of control
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Connie's placement coordinator accuses
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Connie of 20 assaults against
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supervisors staff members and other
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peers I think medis has done the best
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that they can with um Connie's Behavior
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I think she needs to suffer some
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consequences at this point in time and
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probably should have suffered some
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consequences a long time ago so I do
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think secure detention would be an
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appropriate placement for at this point
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in time with no jury to guide her judge
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Talia faroh must quickly determine
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what's best for Connie Court testimony
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alone will not sway the judge she's
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known for her compassion but but I can
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also be very
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firm and very
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direct if we do any
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thing for the people who come into our
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court the families uh that are in
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disarray we should be trying to empower
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them so we have no reason to feel sorry
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for them or to pity
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them because they're not pitiful people
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they're people whose lives are in
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distress still there's even more
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disturbing information the judge must
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take into consideration Connie isn't the
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only child in her family to come through
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the child welfare system her brother
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Jeffrey is in foster care for what his
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mom calls behavioral problems Connie's
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sister Samantha was a runaway at 14 and
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now nervously Waits at home while Connie
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sits in a courtroom just miles away
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Samantha says it's hard to watch her
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family's self-destruct I say it's pretty
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bad being locked up and not getting able
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to see her mom and dad every single day
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and to see your brothers and sister get
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locked up when I for see my little
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brother get locked up I mean it was hard
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on me too I know it was hard on him
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but right now the focus is on Connie her
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court hearing has been emotionally
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draining after 8 months in the hospital
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has Connie had her last chance Connie
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you need to control yourself will the
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judge spare Connie time insecure
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detention or is she destined to be
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behind
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bars next an Angry Dad lashes out of the
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judge who controls whether or not he can
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see his son saying that I can never see
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my son again cuz
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just and how life can change
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dramatically in the years to
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come I wasn't chasing her I wasn't
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stalking she is proven me to be the
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crazy
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one I don't have any control over that
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but if you get found guilty what's going
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to happen to you so you're saying that I
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can never see my son again because of
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this bull sir you say that again and you
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won't see him that's right well that's
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not fair for me not see any I didn't
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even point a damn gun at you're not
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going to see him right now until I
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decide do you
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understand that's a yes no question one
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Court man this is crazy stuff man for
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more than seven years we've been
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tracking children and their families
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swept up in America's child welfare
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system they are among hundreds of
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thousands of atrisk kids who land in the
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courts every year sometimes they're
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hauled before a judge for their
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despicable Behavior but too often it's
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because home is no longer a safe place
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that's the case with this 2-year-old
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whose parents call him baby Raymond he's
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caught in the middle of their violent
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Feud
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their battle is about to play out in
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front of Indianapolis Juvenile Judge
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James Payne the point is there any
00:24:04
reason for you to be around her no any
00:24:07
reason for you to be around the children
00:24:08
if I tell you you can't until I get all
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these reports
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done the baby's father Raymond Cruz came
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to this hearing today from the Maran
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County Jail where he's awaiting trial
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for allegedly stalking the baby's mother
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Dana and taking off with baby Raymond
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and what's going to happen if you go
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around or contact letter phone or
00:24:30
anything what's going to
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happen go back to jail I don't want that
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you understand if you go around her try
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to contact her or the children you'll go
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to jail probably prison probably for a
00:24:42
long time and your father will lose his
00:24:43
house is that what you
00:24:45
want but in fact Raymond's criminal case
00:24:47
is of little concern to judge Payne
00:24:50
whose focus is on what's best for the
00:24:52
child that's why Dana doesn't even have
00:24:55
custody of baby Raymond he and his half
00:24:57
sister are staying with Dana's parents
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and she only gets limited visitation the
00:25:03
judge isn't taking any chances that
00:25:04
Raymond will get out of jail at any
00:25:06
point and go looking to harm his
00:25:08
girlfriend or the kids so how long is it
00:25:10
going to be no that guy can't see till I
00:25:12
get these reports on everything and tell
00:25:15
your criminal case is over hold it what
00:25:17
you're saying is that she is proven me
00:25:19
to be the crazy one I'm saying I'm
00:25:21
worried about these children I don't
00:25:22
care about you two at all you know you
00:25:25
understand that I don't care whether you
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stay in jail or get out of jail I don't
00:25:29
care whether she goes somewhere or she
00:25:30
does anything I don't care I care about
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these two children I'm not going to let
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these children be put at risk yeah and
00:25:37
because of his actions Raymond risked
00:25:39
not seeing his son for a long time he's
00:25:42
facing 10 years in prison I'll tell you
00:25:44
one this court man this is crazy stuff
00:25:47
man because her family got me look like
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I'm a damn nutcase that's the reason why
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I'm here
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today I wasn't stalking her I'm in a
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damn criminal court with a mean ass
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judge don't really give it give a damn
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we'll have you back here on the 28th of
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July to find out what happens and then
00:26:02
we'll talk about then whether or not she
00:26:03
can visit so if I get found guilty
00:26:05
you're going to say well you're going to
00:26:06
take my visitation because he said I
00:26:08
stopped her how the can you stop ask so
00:26:12
the next time you use f language here
00:26:14
I'll remove you right now and then you
00:26:16
won't find out what's going to happen do
00:26:17
you understand how can you stop do you
00:26:19
understand that sir yeah I can
00:26:20
understand that but how can you tell as
00:26:21
the hearing ends Dana is frustrated that
00:26:23
this day in court doesn't end with her
00:26:25
getting her kids back then I'm one do
00:26:27
spend time with my son when I get out
00:26:30
and that's what I want man I don't want
00:26:31
nothing to do with Dana but Raymond's
00:26:33
mood quickly turns and it's not only
00:26:35
Dana he has in his sights yeah I don't
00:26:38
like him period I never did like
00:26:41
him my opinion is I think he's a crummy
00:26:44
mother judge and I'll tell him that
00:26:45
straight up to his face tomorrow after
00:26:47
14 years in juvenile court judge Payne
00:26:50
has learned to block out the insults
00:26:52
when he leaves his quarter room at night
00:26:54
he tries to go home with a clear
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conscience but there are no juries in
00:26:58
juvenile courtt all decisions rest with
00:27:00
a judge and so often their safety is an
00:27:04
issue I think I think a lot of Judges
00:27:06
suffer through that and that is the
00:27:08
decisions we make are pretty convicting
00:27:10
for families for parents for individuals
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I like I suspect many judges have lived
00:27:15
under the the threat of someone harming
00:27:17
me um I've had police security and
00:27:19
others like many judges have uh this
00:27:21
business of dealing with people's lives
00:27:23
has tremendous rewards in seeing people
00:27:26
change their lives and posit things
00:27:28
happen and his has some negatives like
00:27:29
having your life threatened it's just
00:27:31
part of the business while it's obvious
00:27:33
Raymond's temper clearly got the best of
00:27:35
him in court no one knows for certain
00:27:37
how he'll react if he's convicted in his
00:27:40
criminal case and lose his visitation
00:27:42
with baby Raymond I know where she
00:27:45
works you know I know where she I know
00:27:47
where she's at she can't run and she
00:27:48
can't hide can Raymond cope or will he
00:27:52
ultimately blow his chances for seeing
00:27:54
his son
00:27:56
again coming up up years in prison at a
00:27:59
little boy with no real place to call
00:28:01
home the shocking revelations of this
00:28:03
angry dad and his
00:28:09
[Music]
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son
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[Applause]
00:28:41
cheese if uh chelia could be in the same
00:28:45
Community with her mother because her
00:28:46
mother and stepfather had such a
00:28:48
wonderful close relationship with yeah
00:28:50
I'm concerned about the way she gets
00:28:53
treated up at Metals I know she gets out
00:28:55
of control child welfare Court rural
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Bloomington Indiana judge Viola talifero
00:29:02
faces a stack of cases this morning and
00:29:05
this one will prove to be one of her
00:29:06
most
00:29:08
difficult Linda is a lowincome mother of
00:29:11
three and is in court because of her
00:29:13
9-year-old daughter Chelsea Chelsea has
00:29:15
been diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant
00:29:18
Disorder attention deficit disorder and
00:29:21
is mildly Mally [ __ ] State's
00:29:24
attorney Steve Galvin tells the court
00:29:26
that Linda can no longer cope Linda
00:29:29
agrees and in fact has asked for the
00:29:32
intervention of the office of family and
00:29:34
children in this matter is that correct
00:29:35
that's correct she's trying her best is
00:29:38
that correct yes she is but there are
00:29:40
times when a parent's best just isn't
00:29:43
enough today Linda does something most
00:29:46
parents can't imagine even on their
00:29:47
child's worst day she asked the court to
00:29:51
take her daughter away you've
00:29:54
really put forth that
00:29:58
well I don't have the word to describe
00:30:00
the effort that you've put forth to keep
00:30:02
your daughter at home with you
00:30:05
[Applause]
00:30:07
yeah on a bad day that um you know like
00:30:11
if her mind's made up to words she don't
00:30:13
want to do nothing you have to struggle
00:30:15
with her argue fight her she's you know
00:30:18
like if I have to restrain her she's
00:30:20
throwing me around in my living room you
00:30:23
know picking up boards hit me in the
00:30:25
head these cases present enormous
00:30:28
problems for parents because the the
00:30:31
cost of caring for them is just
00:30:32
overwhelming and many many uh most
00:30:35
people cannot afford to pay for the care
00:30:38
of these children and they're not enough
00:30:40
facilities for them so you have parents
00:30:43
uh such as Chelsea's mother who will try
00:30:47
every
00:30:48
way that can be tried to keep the child
00:30:51
at home but if the child is unmanageable
00:30:54
uh it cannot be done tried to maintain
00:30:57
her for 9 and 1/2 years and I can't do
00:30:59
it no
00:31:01
more and I'm just hoping that they can
00:31:04
keep her here in bloomon at the stone
00:31:05
belt where I can see her more
00:31:07
often Linda is asking the court to
00:31:10
temporarily Place her daughter in a
00:31:12
facility close to home attorney Galvin
00:31:15
knows another place dayar might be
00:31:18
better for Chelsea's many needs but it's
00:31:20
nearly an hour away I think also we
00:31:23
we've been discussing being able to tr
00:31:25
to uh to transition her into dayar if
00:31:28
possible that's a little bit further
00:31:30
away Lindy were you aware of that uh
00:31:32
yeah and then um I was just wondering
00:31:36
like if um you know the state or
00:31:38
someone's going to pay for the dayar
00:31:41
dayar is an established private facility
00:31:43
in Indiana serving children with
00:31:45
developmental disabilities but there's
00:31:48
usually a waiting list last year alone
00:31:51
we had over 160 kids referred to our
00:31:55
organization that needed help a lot of
00:31:57
help that we weren't able to help
00:31:59
because we didn't have the capacity we
00:32:01
no longer uh get the kids refer to us
00:32:04
that we having mild or even moderate uh
00:32:07
problems these are really really
00:32:09
intensely troubled
00:32:12
kids a month passes while Linda and
00:32:15
Chelsea wait for word on where Chelsea
00:32:17
will be placed I furthered that Chelsea
00:32:20
should be transferred to dayar when an
00:32:23
opening becomes available and at dayar
00:32:26
chelse here Will obtain the special care
00:32:28
and treatment provided by dayar uh dayar
00:32:31
of course is a long-term residential
00:32:33
placement and will provide chelsia with
00:32:35
the structure that she needs do you know
00:32:37
very much about dayar yet uh-uh do you
00:32:40
want to go up there before your daughter
00:32:42
is transf I'd like to yeah Linda makes
00:32:45
one visit to dayar before Chelsea moves
00:32:48
in she's impressed with what she sees
00:32:51
but still can't come to terms with the
00:32:53
decision she's made I sit home every
00:32:56
night thinking you know did I do the
00:32:58
right thing I mean I know I've got to be
00:33:00
doing the right thing because I mean I
00:33:02
can't give her the special needs that
00:33:04
she needs to maintain out here in the
00:33:08
world and stuff and I mean but I just
00:33:10
still beat myself up thinking am I just
00:33:14
giving her up or what
00:33:17
but but I want to do the right
00:33:22
thing what we see on a day-to-day basis
00:33:25
is more akin to an emergency room
00:33:29
atmosphere uh than uh it is a regular
00:33:33
courtroom situation and uh for the judge
00:33:37
when she comes into this courtroom every
00:33:39
day she knows what she's going to hear
00:33:42
and you have to deal with that not just
00:33:43
on Tuesday but next Tuesday and the next
00:33:47
Tuesday after that and the week after
00:33:49
that it's called children in need of
00:33:50
services for a reason obviously I
00:33:55
cannot uh
00:33:57
singlehandedly make changes and some
00:34:00
things are never going to be that much
00:34:02
better but the question
00:34:05
is can something be
00:34:08
done and the other question
00:34:10
is will I see that it
00:34:14
happens I don't think I can do much more
00:34:16
than that the judge knows doing
00:34:19
something can also mean a heart-rending
00:34:21
separation of child and parent and
00:34:24
that's exactly what's in store for
00:34:26
Chelsea and her mom in the months and
00:34:28
the years
00:34:33
ahead love
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[Music]
00:34:55
you
00:35:00
[Music]
00:35:06
I just want everyone to know that's been
00:35:09
involved in my case and that I know that
00:35:10
I have been a
00:35:12
disappointment and that I am very angry
00:35:16
at
00:35:18
myself and that I want to me a good
00:35:22
person and I don't want to go through
00:35:23
the court system like this I hate it
00:35:27
[Applause]
00:35:34
at this time then I will permit Delena
00:35:38
to say whatever it is that she would
00:35:39
like to say and then I will render my
00:35:44
decision 17-year-old single mom Delina
00:35:47
who has been in and out of foster homes
00:35:49
for 13 years is facing the biggest
00:35:52
challenge of her life her trial on theft
00:35:55
and forgery charges Delina is in front
00:35:57
of juvenile court judge Viola talifero
00:36:00
after stealing checks from her foster
00:36:02
mom of two years it's now time for her
00:36:05
to explain to the judge and her friends
00:36:07
in the courtroom how her years as a
00:36:09
model foster child and teenage mother
00:36:12
led to a day like today I just want
00:36:16
everyone to know that's been involved in
00:36:17
my case and that I know that I have been
00:36:19
a
00:36:20
disappointment and that I am very angry
00:36:24
at
00:36:25
myself and that I want to be a good
00:36:30
person and I want to do good things and
00:36:32
I want to
00:36:34
succeed and I don't want to go through
00:36:37
the court system like this I hate it so
00:36:42
I I just do want everybody to know that
00:36:45
regardless of if you don't think that I
00:36:49
am remorseful I am and I am truly
00:36:55
sorry
00:36:57
that's all I want to
00:37:01
say first of all the most important
00:37:04
thing is what are the appropriate
00:37:07
consequences for a young person who
00:37:10
commits theft and
00:37:13
forgery but what about the remorse she
00:37:17
hasn't shown remorse Delena has had more
00:37:21
than adequate time to make amends if she
00:37:25
could is the a bad person I don't think
00:37:28
so is her behavior unacceptable of
00:37:32
course so what is appropriate will be
00:37:36
four months of formal
00:37:38
probation 30 days in a security
00:37:41
detention
00:37:43
facility participation in the victim
00:37:45
offender reconciliation program and
00:37:48
monetary restitution to be paid in full
00:37:50
to Kathy
00:37:51
Brown complete the youth education
00:37:54
shoplifting program in order to
00:37:56
understand understand the effects of
00:37:58
stealing now I have not said exactly
00:38:02
what the recommendations
00:38:04
are I am going to send you to detention
00:38:07
today for 5 days and I will suspend the
00:38:12
25
00:38:13
days so you will go now with Miss Kain
00:38:18
out of this room out of this door and
00:38:22
Elena I wish that I could have seen you
00:38:25
walk out of the door door leading to the
00:38:30
outside you OE you o Miss Brown an
00:38:37
apology this is not the end of your life
00:38:39
but your future Delena is in your hands
00:38:44
Dela will you go with Miss Kane
00:38:55
please
00:39:00
High Pampa probation need to go from 3
00:39:02
to 2
00:39:07
[Music]
00:39:12
please this is what I
00:39:14
deserve I don't want to go but this is
00:39:17
what I have to
00:39:21
do to take your shoes off this is PM K
00:39:25
can I have holding on second floor
00:39:31
she wasn't here for all of the good
00:39:33
she'd done in the past she was here
00:39:36
because she committed two offenses her
00:39:41
future is in her
00:39:43
hands I do not know what that will be
00:39:47
it's hard for me to untangle my hopes
00:39:49
for her with my hopes for Gavin
00:39:53
um I think I said in there my initial
00:39:56
goal was to be a mother to Delena and a
00:39:59
grandmother to Gavin I'm scared to death
00:40:02
that if she gets Gavin back that I'll
00:40:05
never see him
00:40:06
again um and I I couldn't live with
00:40:12
that the research does demonstrate very
00:40:14
clearly uh that that there's a strong
00:40:17
likelihood that a young person who's
00:40:19
been in foster care for lengthy period
00:40:21
of time May well end up in delinquency
00:40:23
court so do I think about that yet
00:40:27
but if you give them quote slack then
00:40:30
are you sending a message to this young
00:40:32
person that this kind of behavior is
00:40:33
appropriate continue to do this no you
00:40:36
say stop stop now make
00:40:39
changes 5 days later Delina is released
00:40:43
and begins weekly visits with Gavin who
00:40:45
continues to live with
00:40:48
Kathy But as time moves on Delina faces
00:40:51
aging out of a system that has been her
00:40:53
lifelong safety net by winter she is
00:40:56
pregnant with her second child now 18
00:40:59
and on her own she makes perhaps the
00:41:01
most mature decision of her young life
00:41:04
she voluntarily gives up her parental
00:41:06
rights to Gavin and lets Kathy adopt her
00:41:10
young son there's not a day that goes by
00:41:12
that I
00:41:13
don't think about it it's very hard but
00:41:17
I know that Gavin is in a safe place it
00:41:19
wasn't a decision that I wanted to make
00:41:24
but unfortunately it was the decision that I
00:41:27
had to make today at age 23 Delina
00:41:31
refuses to feel sorry for herself she's
00:41:34
still visits Gavin every week and has
00:41:36
repaired her relationship with her
00:41:37
former foster mom Kathy and I have a
00:41:40
very good relationship um we've we've
00:41:44
we've come a long way um Cathy's helped
00:41:47
me out a lot um she's she's still done a
00:41:49
lot for me than um anybody would do um
00:41:53
under the circumstances and I'm very
00:41:55
thankful you know to her Kathy and Gavin
00:41:58
live just 20 minutes away from Delina
00:42:01
despite the Goodwill between the two the
00:42:03
wounds are still healing I mean there
00:42:05
were periods of time when um after Gavin
00:42:08
started calling me Mom there was a lot
00:42:10
of tension but we've essentially agreed
00:42:13
that we need to have a routine and that
00:42:17
um once a week for couple hours is is
00:42:20
good for
00:42:25
Gavin
00:42:27
there were great times and awful times
00:42:29
with Delina when she was here and there
00:42:31
have been that since she left and and
00:42:34
since I've adopted Gavin um but for the
00:42:38
most part it's been a
00:42:40
um it's been a richer
00:42:43
Life coming up one more twist in this
00:42:46
young woman's complicated life story
00:42:49
it's always corny when people say it but
00:42:51
seriously never give up you have to
00:42:53
continue on and if you don't love
00:42:56
yourself and you can't love anybody else
00:42:58
and can years in placement help a child
00:43:01
like Chelsea or is she destined for a
00:43:03
life in the
00:43:05
system and the painful reality of loss
00:43:08
Joshua's mom deals with the consequences
00:43:10
of her decision to temporarily give her
00:43:13
son over to the custody of the state I
00:43:15
just want him to know how much he's
00:43:18
loved even though we're not
00:43:22
together five
00:43:25
stories seven years in the
00:43:28
making can you judge what will
00:43:31
happen has the child welfare system done
00:43:34
what's best for these
00:43:37
[Music]
00:43:55
kids
00:43:58
[Music]
00:44:08
[Music]
00:44:18
[Music]
00:44:38
Joshua went after his sister with a pair
00:44:40
of scissors I didn't see it she came out
00:44:42
of the bathroom
00:44:45
[Applause]
00:44:48
screaming he threw stuff at me and then
00:44:51
he walked out of his room when I walked
00:44:54
out followed me and then he he punched
00:44:56
me in the face with the fist um he split
00:44:59
my lip and made my head go back against
00:45:02
the wall then he choked me then he spit
00:45:05
on me and I told my daughter to call 911
00:45:08
when we last Saw 13-year-old Joshua his
00:45:10
mother was distraught he was confused
00:45:13
Joshua's parents had just signed over
00:45:15
custody of him to the state as Josh's
00:45:18
mom and stepdad left the courthouse no
00:45:20
one knew for certain where he was going
00:45:22
or for how
00:45:24
long by the time we see him again Joshua
00:45:28
is a veteran at Alternative House a
00:45:31
temporary placement facility for
00:45:33
children in need it's like I miss my mom
00:45:36
and my family but I don't miss them I
00:45:41
miss them um but I know it's better for
00:45:45
them it's like I'm sacrificing myself
00:45:47
cuz I know it's better for them um it's
00:45:50
like this is like a big waiting room I'm
00:45:52
waiting to know where I should where I'm
00:45:54
going and then why why do I think I
00:45:57
should be in the place where I'm going
00:45:59
it's
00:46:00
because I'm going to get help there
00:46:03
you're going to help me Joshua's been in
00:46:06
a holding pattern at Alternative House
00:46:08
for 30 days but this afternoon his life
00:46:11
is about to take a radical turn after
00:46:14
lunch Josh will be loaded into a car and
00:46:17
transported back to juvenile court where
00:46:19
he will face battery charges for hitting
00:46:22
his mother well I pray
00:46:24
that when go to court and I'll probably
00:46:28
tell the judge where I want to go and I
00:46:30
won't be shy to tell the judge and thank
00:46:32
him for the food and that I could
00:46:36
probably get out of here anytime soon
00:46:38
she'll make the decision where I can
00:46:39
make out get out of here anytime soon
00:46:42
like the soon as
00:46:45
time that is the fantasy of a naive
00:46:47
young child who doesn't quite grasp that
00:46:50
home is no longer an option and that his
00:46:53
opinion doesn't count when it comes to
00:46:55
figuring out what's best for him about
00:46:59
uh 40 some per of our kids go from
00:47:01
emergency shelter back home or to a
00:47:04
family member uh but in Joshua's case
00:47:06
that would not be a safe thing for
00:47:09
everyone involved he needs a lot more
00:47:11
supportive services and perhaps for an
00:47:13
extended period of time sometimes Josh
00:47:17
will have a perceived wrong oh so and so
00:47:21
got in line before me or he stepped on
00:47:23
my shoe in the lunch line or whatever
00:47:25
and all of a sudden he's ready to cut
00:47:26
loose with profanities that you wouldn't
00:47:29
expect out of this sweet little face and
00:47:32
he can go from Z to 65 just like that
00:47:35
he's his motor is running all the
00:47:39
time some
00:47:41
cars I just hope I get to go to a
00:47:45
placement CU they told me I might be
00:47:47
going to the Ark in Wisconsin and then
00:47:49
they told me I'd be going to Cornerstone
00:47:51
and I'm hoping I go to Cornerstone cuz I
00:47:53
don't know nothing about the ark the
00:47:55
place Joshua will call home for the next
00:47:57
6 to 12 months is likely either the ark
00:48:00
located several hours away in Wisconsin
00:48:03
or Cornerstone which is close by Joshua
00:48:06
has no idea where the judge will send
00:48:09
[Music]
00:48:12
him wherewe the testimony that you're
00:48:14
about to give it be the truth the whole
00:48:16
truth nothing but the truth to help you
00:48:18
God I please be
00:48:20
seated this is the matter of Joshua
00:48:23
Cordell cause number J 99 as his battery
00:48:27
hearing gets underway Joshua has one
00:48:29
shot to plead his case to the judge said
00:48:33
child did knowingly or intentionally in
00:48:35
a rude insolent or angry manner touch
00:48:38
Angelita uh which resulted in bodily
00:48:40
injury you are charged with battery do
00:48:42
you admit or deny that I admit you admit
00:48:45
what did you hear I don't
00:48:50
really in the face on the arm in the
00:48:53
face but it was a open from fist wasn't
00:48:56
closed okay so then you went outside and
00:49:00
then the police
00:49:01
came the hearing continues with Joshua's
00:49:04
case manager explaining that both
00:49:06
Cornerstone and the Ark have accepted
00:49:08
Joshua for placement one facility has
00:49:11
been recommended over the other the case
00:49:14
manager reports it has more kids Josh's
00:49:16
age and can provide the Intensive
00:49:19
counseling he and his family need
00:49:21
Joshua's Mom isn't so
00:49:23
sure we're not familiar with either
00:49:26
program and we know that family therapy
00:49:29
with Joshua is something that's we
00:49:31
really need that and I don't know how
00:49:34
easy it would be to do that if he's
00:49:35
placed farther away from home than you
00:49:38
know the Cornerstone I guess my ultimate
00:49:40
goal would be to look at a person's
00:49:43
family situation as objectively as I can
00:49:46
and hopefully I've been given enough
00:49:47
information um good and bad uh so I can
00:49:50
assess the situation so that I can
00:49:52
direct them in the areas that they need
00:49:54
to be directed to to get their lives
00:49:56
back together and hopefully that I can
00:49:58
do that in a fair way uh and not going
00:50:00
with any preconceived ideas which is
00:50:02
very difficult in this position because
00:50:05
as a judge that's what you do you judge
00:50:07
with a case File of information in front
00:50:09
of her with testimony from the therapist
00:50:11
and counselors and family members the
00:50:14
judge is ready to make her decision what
00:50:16
I'll do today is um as I said make the
00:50:18
child Award of the court order that he
00:50:20
be placed at the ark with those words
00:50:23
Joshua's hopes for help close to home
00:50:25
are
00:50:26
dashed Joshua do you have any questions
00:50:29
honey no ma' okay well good luck to you
00:50:32
outside the courtroom Joshua and his
00:50:34
family get a chilling slap of reality
00:50:37
the transportation has already been
00:50:38
arranged and they need to speak with you
00:50:41
okay so that they can give you
00:50:42
directions and make sure all your
00:50:44
questions are answered so we should take
00:50:46
U like his winter coat and stuff like
00:50:47
that there a lot of um winter Co cuz
00:50:49
it's cold in Wisconsin or in the winter
00:50:52
time other than that the Lake County
00:50:53
division of family and children is dism
00:50:55
missed and the probation department
00:50:57
takes over from here I'll see you Josh
00:50:59
tomorrow okay I'll bring you the video
00:51:01
all right thank you so did you
00:51:04
understand everything yeah you
00:51:07
ready you understand it's not because we
00:51:10
don't want you it's because you need to
00:51:11
get some help so you can be a better
00:51:15
person so you're not a
00:51:18
statistic there anything you
00:51:22
want you want your
00:51:24
blankets you still picture
00:51:28
no anything
00:51:30
else no you
00:51:32
sure why you so quiet it's nothing to
00:51:37
say
00:51:41
[Music]
00:51:45
okay H is it okay there's nothing else
00:51:48
to say I think cath's waiting for
00:51:51
you bye love
00:51:54
you
00:51:55
so I don't get a hug h i don't get a hug
00:51:58
he's not the true delinquent this is his
00:52:00
first referral to the court and seldom
00:52:02
do we place children on a first referral
00:52:04
so when she said no I don't want him
00:52:06
here I feel that if a parent says I
00:52:08
don't want my child that's a red flag to
00:52:10
[Music]
00:52:13
me that was my my one biggest thing
00:52:17
going into it was you know Joshua is
00:52:19
just going to be so mad at me for
00:52:21
sending him away you know how is he ever
00:52:23
going to get over it I struggle with
00:52:25
that and and hope that he sees you know
00:52:27
that with enough attention and enough
00:52:29
guidance then he'll be able to see why
00:52:32
we as parents did what we did to help
00:52:36
him I know Josh is still a part of the
00:52:38
family and and we know that Josh is
00:52:40
still you know here with us you know in
00:52:43
spirit but he's away Joshua will remain
00:52:48
at the ark for at least another 10
00:52:51
months um I guess my wish would be that
00:52:55
even though he's not with family and you
00:52:59
know he's at the unit he realizes that
00:53:02
you know we still love him I just want
00:53:05
him to know how much he's loved even
00:53:08
though we're not
00:53:10
together that's
00:53:13
all coming up it probably doesn't
00:53:16
surprise me a lot that you haven't been
00:53:17
able to find him Joshua's Journey
00:53:19
Through the child welfare system and the
00:53:21
surprising facts surrounding his case 7
00:53:24
years after first met him drug alcohol
00:53:28
and an angry judge who expects some
00:53:30
answers question and directed by the
00:53:32
your behavior to get your wish by
00:53:36
physically assaulting someone is a great
00:53:38
concern to this
00:53:40
court you did not learn very much at all
00:53:43
from open
00:53:54
Arts
00:53:55
[Music]
00:54:07
[Applause]
00:54:11
all right we're ready for our 115 now I
00:54:14
think meow has done the best that they
00:54:16
can with um Connie's Behavior I think
00:54:20
she needs to suffer some consequences at
00:54:22
this point in time in con's troubles
00:54:23
only got more complicated
00:54:25
after she was sent to Meadows hospital
00:54:27
for trying to assault her sister and her
00:54:30
attempted suicide in her 8 months at
00:54:33
Meadows a facility that specializes in
00:54:35
behavioral health problems Connie racked
00:54:38
up 20 reports of assault on the staff
00:54:40
some and that's what brings her to court
00:54:43
on this day so in my mind it it's very
00:54:46
important if someone has committed an
00:54:50
offense particularly an offense that
00:54:51
would be a felony if committed by an
00:54:54
adult
00:54:55
that
00:54:56
some some kind of consequence that rep
00:55:00
that takes away or at least will give
00:55:02
the child the young person an
00:55:04
opportunity to think about it while the
00:55:06
judge would normally send someone with a
00:55:07
record of assault like Connie's directly
00:55:09
to juvenile detention she's concerned
00:55:12
the amount of medication Connie is on is
00:55:14
what's affecting her behavior um she was
00:55:17
asked I believe to um take before she
00:55:20
makes a decision on where to send Connie
00:55:22
back to Meadows or to secure detention
00:55:25
here's one last piece of testimony from
00:55:27
Connie's counselor I think me has done
00:55:30
the best that they can with um Connie's
00:55:33
Behavior I think she needs to suffer
00:55:34
some consequences at this point in time
00:55:36
and probably should have suffered some
00:55:37
consequences a long time ago so I do
00:55:40
think secure detention would be an
00:55:41
appropriate placement for at this point
00:55:43
in time she sabotaged the placement uh
00:55:47
so that she could go home and she's a
00:55:49
young person and she's not supposed to
00:55:53
exercise the
00:55:55
Judgment of a mature adult it's obvious
00:55:58
that at this time Connie cannot remain
00:56:00
at Meadows hospital it is appropriate
00:56:03
that she be placed in the facility in
00:56:07
vencen Indiana Connie
00:56:10
you need to control yourself it's it's a
00:56:13
challenging job but there are
00:56:17
some Happy
00:56:20
Endings these are people's lives these
00:56:23
are situations they must be designed it
00:56:26
how do I do it I don't know there are
00:56:28
times when I ask myself how do I do it
00:56:31
several months go by as Connie sits in
00:56:33
Secure detention unlike her stay at
00:56:36
Meadows Hospital Connie plays by the
00:56:38
rules and quietly serves her time as her
00:56:42
next court date rolls around her mom
00:56:44
Becky is still worried the judge might
00:56:47
not let Connie come home I hope she says
00:56:50
Connie you get to go home I do know it's
00:56:54
going to be tough she will be placed on
00:56:56
very strict probation but I think home
00:57:01
being with the people that she
00:57:04
loves uh is what she
00:57:23
needs
00:57:34
let go on the record please in the
00:57:35
matter of Connie the judge hears
00:57:37
testimony on how Connie has fared and
00:57:39
secure detention she now has to weigh
00:57:42
the options of what to do next we would
00:57:45
be asking that the court order Connie on
00:57:48
probation for six months that would be
00:57:51
supervised Miss Hamilton do you think
00:57:53
that this is uh an appropriate
00:57:55
recommendation for disposition I do your
00:57:57
honor I've discussed this with Connie
00:57:59
and I think she's very eager to go home
00:58:01
and try to make it work Connie do you
00:58:04
understand that you were in
00:58:07
placement and you are out of placement
00:58:10
because of your behavior because you
00:58:12
committed a battery on a staff person
00:58:15
yes and did you did you do this because
00:58:18
you were hoping that you could get out
00:58:19
of placement and go home yes so you
00:58:23
intended to do this so so that you could
00:58:25
get out of placement and go home is that
00:58:27
right yes and you wanted to get the
00:58:29
result that you have now and that's to
00:58:31
go home is that
00:58:36
right yes you pushed the staff person so
00:58:39
that you could go
00:58:43
home now you will be on
00:58:46
probation and if you violate probation
00:58:50
Connie then the consequences if you come
00:58:53
back in this court again will will be
00:58:54
more severe than they have been than
00:58:56
they are this time and I am quite
00:58:59
frankly disappointed your behavior to
00:59:03
get your wish by physically assaulting
00:59:06
someone is a great concern to this court
00:59:09
you did not learn very much at
00:59:12
all it is the decision the judge must
00:59:16
make so the judge must weigh the
00:59:22
facts the evidence the law
00:59:25
and make a fair impartial decision
00:59:29
that's the job I think that you owe the
00:59:32
community some hours of work and public
00:59:35
restitution will be 40 hours of
00:59:38
community service done with a not
00:59:39
for-profit institution so my job is to
00:59:43
make a decision to make the decision
00:59:46
that should be made and sometimes it may
00:59:49
appear to be very
00:59:51
harsh but that doesn't mean that I do it
00:59:54
without without giving careful thought
00:59:55
to it but it's important to maintain
01:00:00
objectivity and not to become
01:00:02
overwhelmed with uh sympathy and emotion
01:00:08
and to make a decision that follows the
01:00:12
law and reflects the facts of that case
01:00:17
judge Talia farell reluctantly releases
01:00:19
Connie to her mother based on the
01:00:21
recommendation of the case workers and
01:00:23
the attorneys but wonders what message
01:00:26
this has sent can an explosive child be
01:00:29
successful in an unstructured chaotic
01:00:36
[Music]
01:00:39
environment you be paying that much
01:00:41
longer so right you I LIF up to my end
01:00:45
of the
01:00:47
deal see that's what you're going to
01:00:49
live up to yours all
01:00:51
right now comes the hard
01:00:53
part you got to move back in with the
01:00:55
sister and the brothers and mom go to
01:00:59
school every
01:01:02
day family therapy individual
01:01:05
therapy Connie's success will ultimately
01:01:07
depend on her family support at home a
01:01:10
family we learn will not stay together
01:01:13
for
01:01:14
long coming up where Connie is today and
01:01:18
what our long-term study of kids and the
01:01:20
child welfare system tells us there
01:01:23
aren't any mag W you know Cinderella the
01:01:26
Fairy Godmother that was just a fairy
01:01:28
[Applause]
01:01:44
[Music]
01:01:50
tale
01:01:53
cheese
01:01:57
[Applause]
01:02:04
come come on no don't be showing no
01:02:09
[Music] [Applause]
01:02:16
[Music]
01:02:18
tears hello come on in welcome will be
01:02:22
here in just a minute 9-year-old Chelsea
01:02:24
is about to make a heartbreaking
01:02:26
transition for a young
01:02:32
child moving an hour away from her
01:02:34
parents into a residential treatment
01:02:37
facility dear chances are Chelsea will
01:02:40
live here for years I sit at home every
01:02:44
night thinking you know did I do the
01:02:46
right thing but I just still beat myself
01:02:48
up thinking am I just giving her up or
01:02:52
what
01:02:53
but
01:02:55
but I want to do the right
01:02:56
thing why you doing the right after
01:02:59
nearly 10 years of her daughter's
01:03:00
uncontrollable Behavior Chelsea's
01:03:03
desperate mom Linda has made a choice
01:03:05
that once might have been Unthinkable
01:03:08
she has signed over custody of her
01:03:09
daughter to the state making way for
01:03:12
juvenile court judge Viola Talia faroh
01:03:14
to send Chelsea to dayar the dayar staff
01:03:18
tries to prepare Chelsea for her
01:03:20
move look how big that playground is big
01:03:24
is
01:03:25
or or go get on the swing men your swing
01:03:27
but at just 9 years old she's completely
01:03:33
[Music]
01:03:34
overwhelmed some of them want to go home
01:03:38
and they want to go home very badly uh
01:03:41
children grieve when they leave their
01:03:42
parents but that doesn't mean that they
01:03:44
cannot be happy and adjust very well in
01:03:49
another setting are you leaving well
01:03:51
just a few
01:03:53
minutes
01:03:55
okay will you help
01:03:58
me hey Lay Your Shoes in your
01:04:01
closet I want to see if I can fit
01:04:04
in I might be able to
01:04:07
fit see hey Mom I
01:04:11
can okay hey chelse come here come
01:04:18
here you're going to have some fun up
01:04:20
here
01:04:23
right
01:04:26
don't
01:04:29
do you me
01:04:35
cry visit and
01:04:39
call I love
01:04:49
you be okay you're de
01:04:58
I want to go home I know you
01:05:01
do I want you to go home too but you got
01:05:05
to get
01:05:06
better all right you got to keep you
01:05:10
safe we'll still visit you we'll call
01:05:14
you write your letters bring buy you
01:05:17
things
01:05:20
okay be
01:05:23
right
01:05:27
you need to tell Mom to see her later
01:05:29
okay cuz she'll come visit you okay so
01:05:33
come
01:05:40
[Music]
01:05:42
visit I love
01:05:45
you love
01:05:48
you don't do
01:05:51
this cry
01:05:54
[Music]
01:05:57
do you want to go see our pants and
01:05:58
stickers come on let's
01:06:02
[Music]
01:06:17
try we'll go for a visit another
01:06:23
time
01:06:26
[Music]
01:06:35
[Music]
01:06:40
coming up Chelsea's amazing
01:06:42
transformation in her teenage years and
01:06:45
how a lifetime in the system affects so
01:06:47
many children well into
01:06:53
adulthood
01:07:12
[Music]
01:07:19
I wasn't chasing I wasn't stalking she
01:07:21
is proven me to be the crazy one
01:07:25
[Applause]
01:07:29
so you saying that I can never see my
01:07:31
son again because of this bu behind the
01:07:33
closed doors of America's child welfare
01:07:35
courts lies a toxic mix of angry parents
01:07:39
confused children and Powerful judges
01:07:42
sir the next time you use file language
01:07:43
here I'll remove you right now and then
01:07:46
you won't find out what's going to
01:07:47
happen do you understand how can you
01:07:48
stop do you understand that sir Jail
01:07:50
inmate Raymond Cruz is learning that the
01:07:52
hard way when we last saw this angry dad
01:07:55
he was in front of juvenile Judge James
01:07:58
Payne because his son who he calls baby
01:08:00
Raymond is a w of the Court considered a
01:08:03
child in need of services Raymond is in
01:08:06
jail on charges of stalking and fleeing
01:08:09
from police even though he's now Behind
01:08:11
Bars Raymond wants to see his young son
01:08:14
during his last court hearing he was
01:08:16
Furious his visitations had been halted
01:08:19
that's not fair for me not see any I
01:08:20
didn't even point a damn gun at nobody I
01:08:22
wasn't stalking her in a damn criminal
01:08:24
court but a mean ass judge don't really
01:08:26
give a
01:08:30
damn I should be going to prison
01:08:32
following this court appearance Raymond
01:08:34
returns to his jail cell where his
01:08:36
emotions continue to boil over about
01:08:38
Judge Payne and his girlfriend Dana
01:08:41
guarantee like just P don't understand
01:08:42
he's stupid cuz when the when that case
01:08:45
is over she be back at the mom's house
01:08:46
and I know where exactly she's at and
01:08:48
she don't even be leaving B Raymond
01:08:49
there because they're going to be stupid
01:08:50
CU when I get out I'm coming to see
01:08:52
him you know I got ways you know the
01:08:56
same two months after his jailhouse tie
01:08:59
raid Dana did exactly as Raymond
01:09:01
predicted yeah now I uh moved back in at
01:09:04
my mother's residence which is with the
01:09:06
children and they're doing real good and
01:09:09
uh real happy and I'm just really
01:09:12
thankful I hope that Raymond really gets
01:09:15
help and he's able to see the baby with
01:09:18
no problem because I feel that him being
01:09:21
his father is also important for the
01:09:24
baby to see too you know they think
01:09:26
right now they think in their book and
01:09:27
judge pain think in his little sick mind
01:09:29
that I'm doing a lot of time he can
01:09:31
erase that cuz I'm going to tell him
01:09:34
tomorrow I'm said I'm not doing a lot of
01:09:36
time I said what are you going to do
01:09:38
when I get out a year and a half 2 years
01:09:40
or year you
01:09:42
know you can't run man and like two
01:09:45
years ain't going to be that bad cuz I
01:09:46
won't be doing it here anyway Raymond's
01:09:48
visions of beating his criminal charges
01:09:51
come to a crashing halt when the
01:09:53
criminal court s find him guilty of
01:09:54
stalking and fleeing police he is
01:09:58
sentenced to 5 years in prison one thing
01:10:01
that all judges have to learn is how do
01:10:02
you maintain a Judicial temperament that
01:10:05
means I don't lose my temper at you even
01:10:07
if you lose your temper at me and and to
01:10:10
recognize finally that ultimately The
01:10:12
Authority is in the court uh going off
01:10:14
in court generally doesn't solve any
01:10:16
problems that exist at any stage because
01:10:19
the bottom line is I can find someone in
01:10:20
contempt and lock them up that seems
01:10:23
rather
01:10:24
though with someone who's already in
01:10:25
prison and virtually has nothing to lose
01:10:28
so part of it is then just keeping your
01:10:30
eye on the ball and the eye is and the
01:10:32
ball is exactly what is going on with
01:10:35
this child and if I lose my temper if I
01:10:38
take umbrage if I get upset and and
01:10:40
display that and get into a dialogue we
01:10:43
lose sight of what's going on and that
01:10:44
is what is the best interest of the
01:10:48
child will there be a peaceful
01:10:50
resolution in the case of Raymond and
01:10:52
his son
01:10:54
the odds are against it and seven years
01:10:56
later the final outcome is even more
01:10:59
astounding than you might
01:11:01
expect tracking the long-term effects of
01:11:03
the child welfare system on kids and
01:11:06
families is never an exact science in
01:11:08
the case of rayon Cruz 5 years in prison
01:11:11
have changed a man and his family baby
01:11:15
Raymond is no longer a baby he's a
01:11:17
10-year-old boy and Raymond himself he's
01:11:20
back home living with his dad and
01:11:22
stepmother and helping to raise little
01:11:25
Raymond yeah we can be friends but she
01:11:27
Dad don't talk to her we can be friends
01:11:28
she can come over and visit baby Raymond
01:11:30
I don't really care I don't care like I
01:11:32
said like I said I was in prison I
01:11:33
worried about God and all that stuff my
01:11:36
trial here and I want Daddy like her but
01:11:40
Daddy don't like love people too
01:11:42
much I don't know why baby Raymond was
01:11:45
bounced from relatives to foster care
01:11:48
during the time his dad was in prison in
01:11:50
the end Dana signed custody papers
01:11:53
allowing her young son to live with
01:11:55
Raymond's parents Raymond's stepmom says
01:11:58
the first few weeks with her grandson
01:12:00
were tough Daren G because I still say
01:12:03
that he has
01:12:04
flashbacks because when we first got him
01:12:07
he spilled something he jumped up and
01:12:10
was running into the bathroom to find
01:12:11
something to wash it wipe it up with and
01:12:13
he was
01:12:14
crying and there for a while he wouldn't
01:12:17
let you touch his food or anything cuz
01:12:19
he thought you taking it from him Dana
01:12:22
does visit young r even though she no
01:12:24
longer has custody the continued riff
01:12:26
between Dana and Raymond still leaves
01:12:28
their son with more questions than
01:12:30
answers we try to answer his questions
01:12:32
you know when he asks or anything and
01:12:35
he's well I told him I no nobody's going
01:12:38
to say anything bad about your mom or
01:12:40
your dad that's just cuz they're your
01:12:42
mom and
01:12:44
dad and he's okay children will believe
01:12:48
and remember 80% of what they see and
01:12:51
20% of what they hear and that is
01:12:54
particularly true in the ages of birth
01:12:57
to about five by the time those kids get
01:13:00
to our school system and then involved
01:13:02
with other systems if things haven't
01:13:04
gone well it's going to be difficult for
01:13:06
the rest of us to fix those children
01:13:08
earlier the better the best prevention
01:13:12
the best treatment is good help early
01:13:15
Raymond's parents admit he is on
01:13:17
medication and having a tough time
01:13:19
adjusting to life on the outside young
01:13:22
Raymond is learning to disabled yet he
01:13:24
can tell his dad is struggling yeah cuz
01:13:27
um I love him I don't care if him sick I
01:13:29
still love
01:13:30
him I don't know why I don't know why
01:13:34
Daddy loves somebody too
01:13:37
much I don't know but what one
01:13:39
generation tolerates the next will take
01:13:41
to excess frankly if there were a
01:13:43
formula if there were an absolute right
01:13:45
way to do it we'd all be doing it at
01:13:47
this point it is a problem because there
01:13:49
is no single answer and it is doing the
01:13:51
best job you can listening to everybody
01:13:53
and then trying to make a good decision
01:13:55
about that child our attempts to find
01:13:58
young Raymond's mom Dana have been
01:14:00
unsuccessful we wonder how she feels
01:14:02
about Raymond's release from prison and
01:14:04
The Limited contact she has with her son
01:14:07
but we can't help but remember her word
01:14:09
seven years ago when this whole ordeal
01:14:11
began I know how to die
01:14:17
911 coming up pain sacrifice and
01:14:21
resilience how one teenage mom comes to
01:14:24
terms with her life and makes good on
01:14:26
her
01:14:44
[Music]
01:14:52
promise
01:14:54
I knew this day was going to be coming
01:14:55
now reality just set
01:14:57
[Music]
01:15:03
in the kids that that come to dayar have
01:15:06
severe challenges Chelsea has come back
01:15:08
and she has done even better in the
01:15:10
program look
01:15:13
at that's it 9-year-old Chelsea was a
01:15:16
scared and distraught child when we met
01:15:19
her several years ago the traumatic
01:15:21
events of her life played out in front
01:15:23
of us as a court placed her in a
01:15:26
residential treatment facility dayar
01:15:28
when her mother could no longer cope
01:15:30
with her abusive
01:15:34
Behavior want to go I know you
01:15:38
did I want you
01:15:43
to am right for 3 years Chelsey lived at
01:15:47
dayar and made great strides in
01:15:49
controlling her anger she was ready to
01:15:52
move on and move home but couldn't
01:15:55
because of her mother's own problems so
01:15:58
instead Chelsea moved in with a foster
01:16:00
family outside the structure of dayar
01:16:02
Chelsea found it hard to cope just 15
01:16:06
months after moving out of dayar Chelsea
01:16:09
move back
01:16:12
in I feel great but I just I just want
01:16:17
to go home and everything I really want
01:16:19
to live with my sister instead my mom
01:16:21
cuz she's not doing so great is now
01:16:23
living in a dayar transitional home and
01:16:26
she's no longer the day's little girl
01:16:28
clinging to her mother's side she is now
01:16:31
a 15-year-old young woman going to dayar
01:16:34
Proms and trying to be every bit the
01:16:36
typical teenage girl Chelsea's mom Linda
01:16:40
visits every week got
01:16:45
this beautiful
01:16:49
this just a skirt it's just a skirt
01:16:55
this
01:16:56
shirt of like mine and this outfit and
01:17:00
the
01:17:02
shoes dayar residential director Karen
01:17:05
cowy says teaching Chelsea to live
01:17:07
independently is key because ultimately
01:17:10
she may never return home to her mom
01:17:12
before she turns 18 this is a smaller
01:17:15
more laid-back atmosphere um she only
01:17:17
has two staff and she only lives with
01:17:19
two other individuals so it allows her a
01:17:21
more homelike environment where she can
01:17:23
practice some of the skills that she's
01:17:25
been taught no one can say for certain
01:17:27
when or if Chelsea will return home kids
01:17:30
at dayar can stay until their 22nd
01:17:33
birthdays but most transition out at age
01:17:36
18 according to the child Ware League of
01:17:39
America approximately 25,000 young
01:17:42
people age out of the system each year
01:17:45
and many of those become homeless at
01:17:47
some point when we ask Chelsea where she
01:17:50
sees herself in the future she doesn't
01:17:52
hesitate to to answer if you came see me
01:17:54
in 5 years I think
01:17:58
that that I probably be moved out on my
01:18:02
own and I would like
01:18:10
[Music]
01:18:17
that I do know that i' I'm went against
01:18:20
the the odds and that I've done really
01:18:24
good with my life um but I I don't I
01:18:28
wonder if if I had like a different life
01:18:30
if I wasn't in Foster what my life would
01:18:32
be like over and over as we've spent the
01:18:34
last seven years documenting the lives
01:18:37
of children in the child welfare system
01:18:39
we hear the same words the system is no
01:18:42
place for a child 23-year-old Delina
01:18:45
knows this all too well 15 foster homes
01:18:49
a mother by age 15 and at 18 the
01:18:53
decision to let her former foster mom
01:18:55
adopt her little boy Kathy ended up
01:18:58
adopting Gavin and I still have a a very
01:19:02
very good relationship with Gavin um I'm
01:19:04
still his mommy and um you know we see
01:19:07
him weekly and
01:19:09
um he just doesn't live with me after
01:19:12
voluntarily giving up her rights to
01:19:14
Gavin delina's life wasn't empty for
01:19:17
long she and a former boyfriend went on
01:19:19
to have a healthy baby boy Sage who
01:19:23
helps keep delena's sights on the future
01:19:25
you know Gavin has said to me before um
01:19:28
I think you love sage more than me
01:19:30
because Sage lives with you and you know
01:19:33
I've explained to Gavin several times
01:19:36
you you won't be able to understand it
01:19:38
yet and I can't explain to you what has
01:19:40
happened until you're older and you will
01:19:42
be able to understand I Surrender he's
01:19:46
surrendering although I would want more
01:19:48
than anything for Gavin to um to be with
01:19:51
me and to live with me full time
01:19:53
I'm thankful that I at least have a
01:19:56
relationship with
01:19:58
him that's a that's a leap of
01:20:03
love she did that because she I would
01:20:07
imagine she felt that Gavin would have a
01:20:11
a better life would live in a more
01:20:13
stable environment than she could
01:20:15
provide for him at that
01:20:17
time but the fact that she has remained
01:20:19
in his life has to be a double blessing
01:20:23
for her for uh Kathy and for Gavin
01:20:27
Delina is now engaged and at age 23
01:20:30
finally enrolled in college she defies
01:20:33
the odds only onethird of teenage moms
01:20:36
receive their High School diplomas less
01:20:38
than 2% earn a college degree by age 30
01:20:42
but Delina hopes to someday become a
01:20:44
nurse or maybe not surprisingly a social
01:20:47
worker oh I'm going to do it it will
01:20:50
happen it's just a matter of time yeah
01:20:53
he goes to preschool and Sage knows how
01:20:56
to count to five in
01:20:58
Spanish I have to decide which way I
01:21:00
want to go you have your own Road and I
01:21:03
can either decide to say poor Delina you
01:21:06
know nobody cared about me or I can say
01:21:08
you know
01:21:09
what nobody cared about me then but I
01:21:12
have the people that care about me now
01:21:14
and I'm going to have the people that
01:21:15
care about me tomorrow and that's how I
01:21:17
get through it that's exactly how I get
01:21:18
through
01:21:21
it
01:21:39
[Music]
01:21:43
there's a lot of power that the position
01:21:46
has I am going to send you to detention
01:21:49
today for 5 days one must be very
01:21:53
careful how one uses that power it
01:21:56
should never be abused but it is my job
01:21:58
to make the final decision I can't I
01:22:02
can't run away from that I can't duck it
01:22:04
delinquent child for committing the
01:22:06
delinquent Act of battery if the state
01:22:09
is going to be involved in someone's
01:22:11
life then there must be a compelling
01:22:13
reason for it to
01:22:14
happen and I am the one who has to make
01:22:17
the final
01:22:19
decision one of the last things my
01:22:21
biological mother said to me just about
01:22:24
3 years ago was Delina everything that's
01:22:26
happened in your life is your
01:22:29
fault and it's not it's not my fault but
01:22:34
like I said every day is a learning
01:22:36
experience and you cannot beat yourself
01:22:39
up over stuff or you won't get to the
01:22:40
next
01:22:43
day for seven years we've been on a
01:22:45
journey to understand how growing up in
01:22:48
the child welfare system ultimately
01:22:50
affects the children it's supposed to
01:22:52
protect protect when you have public
01:22:54
defenders or agency attorneys or foster
01:22:57
parents with too many kids that they're
01:22:59
responsible for then they can't do their
01:23:02
job and I was critical for years about
01:23:05
people not doing their job you you
01:23:07
understand if there's another positive
01:23:09
test for cocaine I'm going to order the
01:23:11
children removed and we're going to find
01:23:12
someplace else for them if we have a
01:23:14
case load standard of 12 and 17 and a
01:23:18
case worker has a case load of 35 or 50
01:23:21
they literally can't do their job and so
01:23:24
judge Payne did the extraordinary after
01:23:26
20 years on the bench he resigned and
01:23:29
jumped to the other side he is now the
01:23:32
director of the State's Department of
01:23:33
Child Services the very Department he
01:23:36
railed against as a judge the system is
01:23:39
so complex and so often uncaring and
01:23:43
overdemanding
01:23:45
and doesn't listen often to the children
01:23:49
who have to live through it it's why in
01:23:51
in the system
01:23:53
what we talk about now are bringing in
01:23:55
foster children who are now adults to
01:23:57
say what should we be doing differently
01:24:00
and the key often is just care about me
01:24:03
listen to me Delina is the first to
01:24:06
agree with that sentiment and says it's
01:24:08
also why she hesitates to pursue a dream
01:24:10
of hers a career in social work but
01:24:13
despite the chaos of her childhood she
01:24:16
doesn't blame the system for the madness
01:24:18
in her life really sometimes there's
01:24:21
only so much that social workers can do
01:24:24
she had to place me back with my mom and
01:24:27
um whenever she found out that I was
01:24:29
taken away from her again um I saw her
01:24:32
several years later and she said D I'm
01:24:34
so sorry um that's what I had to do
01:24:38
that's what you know was ordered um so I
01:24:41
think that I would feel a lot of guilt
01:24:43
sometimes as we've tracked the lives of
01:24:45
each child over the years and watch them
01:24:47
become young adults no two stories have
01:24:50
been the same some like Delina have
01:24:53
grown more resilient with time others
01:24:55
leave more questions and answers and
01:24:58
that includes Joshua he has not been
01:25:01
back um it probably doesn't surprise me
01:25:03
a lot that you haven't been able to find
01:25:05
him in this day and age what one and two
01:25:07
marriages and in divorce uh so perhaps
01:25:10
they even left the area but no he's not
01:25:12
been back to the juvenile court
01:25:14
following his year at the ark Joshua and
01:25:16
his family reportedly got back on track
01:25:20
then after so much time money and
01:25:22
intervention his case was closed and all
01:25:25
contact between him and the court system
01:25:27
was lost our efforts to find Joshua have
01:25:31
proven unsuccessful with no National
01:25:33
child welfare tracking system all judge
01:25:36
bonaventura can do is hope Joshua and
01:25:39
his family gain something positive from
01:25:41
their experience in other days I'm
01:25:43
amazed that people are as receptive um
01:25:47
and that they do come around and then
01:25:48
there are families that respond so those
01:25:51
families that respond keep me at this
01:25:53
job at one point I decided that it would
01:25:56
be nice if I as the juvenile court judge
01:25:58
in a large urban area took on as a
01:26:01
challenge some kids to see if we could
01:26:04
make a difference if I personally could
01:26:05
make a difference and so I selected four
01:26:09
cases and spent extra time with calling
01:26:13
visiting chatting my wife and I took a
01:26:16
couple of them to dinner to try to make
01:26:18
a difference I arranged for one girl to
01:26:20
get pedicure and a manicure and a face
01:26:22
uh one to get dancing lessons uh because
01:26:25
she loved dancing um two of those have
01:26:28
worked out very well and two I've lost
01:26:31
and have no idea where they are this is
01:26:33
everyone yes sir my upshot of that was
01:26:36
I'm not sure that it's possible to make
01:26:39
a
01:26:40
difference on the other hand I'm not
01:26:42
sure that I'm ready not to try after
01:26:45
following Connie for seven years we last
01:26:48
found her living with her sister and
01:26:50
struggling to get by but in her early
01:26:53
20s she was proud she was on her own and
01:26:56
out of the system since that last visit
01:26:59
Connie has moved on and we've lost
01:27:01
contact with her and so has the woman
01:27:03
who worried so much about her as she
01:27:05
made the tough calls about her future I
01:27:08
Connie I just I wish I knew I wish I
01:27:11
knew what had happened with Connie as
01:27:13
for the judge herself she's now
01:27:18
retired they were the people that were
01:27:20
pretty much ruling my life um and you
01:27:23
know I I wonder sometimes you know why
01:27:25
did I get bounced around so much you
01:27:27
know once I started really having a
01:27:29
voice and being old enough to voice my
01:27:31
opinion judge telair really listened to
01:27:33
me I think she did a lot of good things
01:27:35
for a lot of people and in the end after
01:27:37
seven years of filming what we found is
01:27:39
this kids raised by the system become
01:27:43
dependent on the system sadly there's
01:27:45
little in terms of a safety net once
01:27:48
they become adults their stories are
01:27:50
usually shielded from the public in turn
01:27:53
their names their faces their struggles
01:27:55
their triumphs are out of sight out of
01:27:59
mind with more than a half million
01:28:01
children in foster care 65,000 parents
01:28:04
terminated their parental rights each
01:28:06
year and more than 2.4 million
01:28:09
grandparents raising their grandchildren
01:28:12
the system may be no place for a child
01:28:15
but tragically sometimes it's the only
01:28:20
place it's always corny when people say
01:28:23
it but seriously never give up you have
01:28:25
to continue on and if you don't love
01:28:28
yourself then you can't love anybody
01:28:30
[Music]
01:28:51
else

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In this exclusive full length documentary first filmed in 1999, we look back at five stories of kids and families as they go through years in the juvenile justice system. This film marked the first time cameras were ever allowed inside three different juvenile courts, as the kids and families involved agreed to have their stories filmed in the hopes that their experiences could help other families better understand what it's really like to be ensnared in a system that can often take decades to emerge from. These are the stories of Delena, Josh, Chelsea, Conni and Raymond and the years we spent with them inside the system. At the end of this video is an update on where they are now, 23 years after we first met them. All content produced and owned by Calamari Productions, LLC www.calamariproductions.com

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