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[music]
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tell you, was it easier to become Spaniards
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or was it easier to become British? You know, by
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temperament, I’m still closer to the Spaniards, the
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Spaniards,
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but some things
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had to be carried around to generate,
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let’s say, so I’ll leave it like Russians,
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when subtracting, they remain skat Russian
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habits, for example, I loved
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strong drinks don’t really dilute the fiat,
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but it really helped that my
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roots were Irish, so the Irish don’t
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know who is the first to squeeze who has a stronger
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stomach, Whitman has raw Russians, that’s why
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I have strong drinks, that’s why the
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name of the will is not in the legend of Lisa,
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and you know that the legends for ours
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such a mobile you can have
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some kind of backbone, the backbone is usually
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documentary and everything else you just
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sew on yourself a quarter of a century ago
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together with your young wife, who the
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center gave the pseudonym Giselle
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Zhurov left Moscow to then
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change several passports appearance
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language character habits name and surname
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having passed, covering his tracks through several
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countries, finally settling in Spain,
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what nationalities had to go through,
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Jacques quite obviously had to go
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through Latin American nationalities
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before he became Anglo-Saxons, this is also
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a paradox, first you put varnishes with your nose and
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then you will be Anglo-Saxons, so turn around
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as you want, Vladimir became a puppy in in the late
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sixties and early seventies he was the
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curator of Jacques and Giselle at the center in
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Moscow, he himself came to the apparatus from illegal
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work, it was a new young generation
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who came into management at the end of the
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Khrushchev thaw,
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they brought with them a new spirit, new
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ideas, new tactical principles for the work of
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illegal immigrants, however, the older generation didn’t
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give up
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[music]
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that it was harder to suppress
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Russian for yourself or to become British, you know, this is
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work at the same time, and even if you even
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acquired from the steam, let’s say
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British, some features and retained the
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Russians, they will immediately say the words of
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any contradictions
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and what you had to refuse that I,
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first of all, first of all, it
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was necessary, after all, from those conventionally called
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Russianism of which are inherent in which
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Russians are quickly recognized, but for example, there, count
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fingers, look, bend, drink vodka
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in one gulp, sniff bread thinly, herring dish,
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some wipe, look for lips,
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etc. other some kind of set of skills
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to order these dishes to carry a lot, I
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will say in my period it was somewhat easier for me
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because at that time
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they knew Russians very poorly and knew more, so to
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speak, from movies that
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showed several styles in such a caricature,
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and therefore let’s say a person
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who knows how to do it well they can’t dress
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in Russian, this excluded a person who
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appreciates good wine and I also know the kitchen,
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so to speak, this image of a Russian did not fit in,
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or a person who speaks
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generally decent foreign languages ​​also
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read that it’s 5 to look for a Western non-
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Russian, but appearance and Dima plays a
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very big role in your work, if
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you had a round face, a snub nose,
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you were blond and had blue eyes, it would
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probably be difficult for you to pass yourself off
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as a Spaniard or an Irishman,
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but it turned out that appearance
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determines it to some extent, of course,
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but here it didn’t work out, so in
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whatever country it would be difficult to even explain
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this mania, some kind of need, the
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need comes from the fact that it is
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simply necessary to disappear into the crowd,
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do not pay attention to one of the main qualities
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of intelligence officers is not to draw attention to themselves,
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and here are some... then
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they are trying to finish the design of their
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appearance and hairstyle, and let’s say the manner of
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dressing is not just what you wear,
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how you wear it, so to speak, comes with
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experience, but it is also very important, for example, with the
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Russians, by the way, I remember that I was
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at these international competitions and
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sat in the press podium and sat on
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top, so it was, and the price was such a
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stadium and the Russians were pulled out by their hairstyle
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to look for their very same hair, it was
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cut so that you were naked in
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a position and I saw them, so to speak, here are 5
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bare necks, then it means suddenly they all
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gathered together there seems to be a gender team,
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even the hairstyle, you know,
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the hairstyle, then a whole series of accessories, and
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let’s say the
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attachment to the pipe was
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caused by just such a
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need to confirm
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this stereotype, it started a
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long time ago, I once bought a pipe from Paris, and so
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so the first one literally bought tobacco and
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now I’m sitting in a cafe waiting for my friend to finish and
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when he came in and saw me smoking a
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friend of Kanska Buck having graduated from the English without
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a pipe, you understand this is amazing, this
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remains and now if he was now Jacques
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could be allowed somewhere in the environment of
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some
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kind of strange community here
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in the country here in Moscow he would
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not even open his mouth he would behave so
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automatically naturally that he would be
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no different he would already be
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second nature so to speak this is second nature to
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his being he already fits in this already
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the experience that built it in this way,
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national character is studied in Moscow,
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national national character as
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such was not studied in our time in Moscow,
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we ourselves, on our own initiative, at that
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time asked for books to be given to us,
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for books to be sent to us only later, when
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we went on our own and in in particular, you
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sent these books here, read,
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now we got the object for you, Nadya is reading, she is
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studying and the national character of the
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peculiarities of this was not given such
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importance, everything had to be worked out
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by trial and error,
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what moments betrayed a Russian person in our illegal immigrants
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and what can knock out
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how this manifests itself what you need to
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suppress in yourself first of all in order to stop
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being a Russian person, what is impossible to
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do in order to suppress the Russian person in yourself,
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you always remain one, and
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with all this, you accumulate
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some elements of nationality, that is, you are
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happy for which for the citizen that you
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are you give out which allow you
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to disguise yourself, I am left with
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the impression that, like the Japanese, the Russians are
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probably one of those nations that are more
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able to adapt to the external
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environment; the legend that the Russians are clumsy,
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inflexible, and do not know how to adapt; this
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is not true; this is not true; indeed, the
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Slavic
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accent may be somewhere but more
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has been written about this, in fact, Russian
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overcomes the sound of a foreign
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accent more easily and than any other
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nationality what nationality is
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easiest for a Russian
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person to transform into Russian illegal immigrants depends on
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us nice person I think no,
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perhaps one could say that a
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Russian would be it’s easier to transform into
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Americans, from my point of view, this can be
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disputed by the Germans, the illegal
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Soviet intelligence service was perhaps the most
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powerful branched of similar
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services of the West and East in this
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special, only Israel could not compete with us
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if the pre-war tactics of
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Soviet illegals consisted of deep
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penetration into the country of a potential
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enemy and conservation itself for a very
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long period until the
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arrival of the hour X, which by the way might
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not have come in the sixties,
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the picture is changing and now illegal immigrants
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must move on to active
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intelligence activities immediately upon
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arrival in the country of destination, which
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naturally increases his risk
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many times over to Spain when he
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was in power from the deep, there
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were no relations between our countries at all, to a
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certain extent, he
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reminded himself of a bullfighter who was about to face his
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first fight in his life, many techniques
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mastered at home in absentia here in practice did
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not work
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[music]
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Jacques went through an excellent school of preparation
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for operational his work could be
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observed quite
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closely in his work in Cuba where he underwent
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language operational training, he was
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tested in Australia in New
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Zealand, that is, you have already gained a
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huge amount of experience and the people who
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came into contact with him, but in general, the departure of an illegal immigrant
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has contacts with our people
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like as a rule, it happens for a long time, but
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nevertheless it remains in the field of view, vision,
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and so on, and such auxiliary operations are worked out
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when the illegal immigrant
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himself does not suspect that
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another illegal immigrant is looking at him, you are studying, and so on,
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that is, a whole complex of such
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verification activities of everything that
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would make it possible to reliably
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verify the fact that we are dealing with a
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reliable and trusted person, he
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carried out his preparation, how
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does legending work in general, how
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painstaking work is it, it is very painstaking, the
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general outline of the legend is compiled in the
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center, all the work began with the main
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document, the main document, the first
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document that was received, it was
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received It wasn’t me, it was through our
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operational capabilities when you
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say the main document that you have
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is the passport on which I
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work already for a long period of time carrying around
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this is someone’s real passport or was it a
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passport for an imaginary person, no,
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as usual, we have this passport for
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two days to tell you the reviews about the world and which we
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used, it usually starts like here
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is to request I didn’t understand it was a
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passport that once belonged to a
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real person yes no it was
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received a passport for a person who
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no longer received them this is such a generally accepted
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norm so to speak they are widely used in
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intelligence tell the passport is laid out
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or the passport is made in a special
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laboratory you know the passport is obtained in an
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operational way I understood you and since
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then your legend was being drawn up,
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in order to move on to the main
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documents it was necessary to carefully
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work out Gerda’s biographies, that is, it
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was necessary to have a good idea of ​​the
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situation that was in childhood,
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that is, you had to visit the city
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where you spent your childhood, which means studying the school,
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studying means the environment where you are, then
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even the places of study, for example, I
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studied and studied sociology at the university for two years, supposedly
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supposedly, which subsequently
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justified my interest in sociology,
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the truth is, I actually studied In one case,
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while in Cuba, I studied at a Dutch
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university, one year, the last course in
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sociology, so I already had an understanding
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of Western sociology and I, that is,
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when legending, we tried
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to use all the knowledge that
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had been obtained earlier, they simply
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adapted it for new conditions, such a
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profession was invented
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for it’s hot and to what extent he himself had
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the opportunity to choose what kind of profession to come up with for
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himself, so to speak, abroad,
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Jacques needed a profession
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that would not hinder his
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agility, we his sociability with the
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environment,
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we tried to settle on the
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journalistic option insofar
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as he showed himself to be a good
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journalist the reporter was still in his student
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years and was interested in the same thing during his
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preparation in Cuba in Cuba,
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it seems that this choice was justified, that
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is, he did not need to
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demonstrate his abilities in any way, he could
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simply refer to how people were doing classes
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at the first stage, surrounded by people when making
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acquaintances, etc. on the other hand,
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he was given an inheritance from
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relatives of rich people; he had a
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certain amount, in my opinion it was
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thirty thousand dollars that he could have
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spent on organizing a business in
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Barcelona at the first stage, this was already a
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lot of people who will check which
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uncle left us an inheritance in
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distant Australia let's say it's very
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difficult, the bet was made on the fact that
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undoubtedly Ivan III and Giselle inspired
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trust, they were just people who
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endeared themselves who inspired
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trust, they were sincere and we were
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very much like when we were preparing for
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their conclusions, we talked a lot about that
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that with all the complexity of our profession, so to speak,
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with a series of peculiarities, with all the
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fact that we inevitably have to,
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well, I’m not afraid of this word, deceive those
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around us by posing as someone, we
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set our most important task to build
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relationships with people so that they are
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sincerely friendly so that they do not give
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rise to doubts according to legend,
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your childhood was spent in one of the
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British colonies, tell us how you
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developed this legend, how you reinforced it,
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how you, so to speak, grew into it
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Tatlin conversation, well, just a small
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beer, let’s say I found a school or studied
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because I was there, which means I
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went with the Spanish language and learned
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English clarity of our
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teacher from this school of schools
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was already closed, she had already ended the
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existence there of some kind of
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commercial
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educational institution for 4, I began to take
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English lessons and since she
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was there as a teacher of new ones, somehow
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I took her to stories about this school and
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so after that, which means that the education
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system seemed very interesting to me,
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I began to compare it with the
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Spanish education system and on
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these parallels, these parallels mean that these
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parallels made it possible to bring the conversation to
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very intimate details and
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then she gave me the life of the school told this to
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say hq main events that
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took place at school about famous teachers
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she gave
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me as a souvenir, which means some
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things like a belt buckle for graduates,
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medals that were awarded,
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students were born, which means some
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albums are a thing and thanks to me I tried with her,
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probably, so to speak, I worked for a month,
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we hear a lot for find me a school, then
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I could meet with the graduates of this
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school, he would remember a degree, they
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introduced me step and life to what extent
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this marriage took place, so to speak, on the
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initiative of management with and in the summer there was
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simply an attraction of two people
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or both together and that management
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with I preferred, as far as I remember, they
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met in the south, they would get it on
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the beach and the manager would not play any role in this, it
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would be a treatment only for
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Jacques and life, I right now can’t
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say whether he was already in preparation, but I
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think that this question can be addressed
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to him but I didn’t play any role in introducing
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management to I can imagine
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the problem that management faces
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when a potential illegal immigrant who is
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about to go chooses a wife that is not the one
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who, in the opinion of management, may
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be the wife of illegal immigrants since there is a
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protective degree, he has to perform the
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same functions as he does here
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the issue is resolved by agreement at the very beginning
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if a person chooses to
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accept an offer to work
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as an illegal immigrant, they explain the situation,
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they accept these conditions of the game, that is, he
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cannot enter into marriage alone, having received
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official approval and, therefore, a
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preliminary study of the object, his
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interests, and so on and so forth, or
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he comes as a couple and is already ready
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for intelligence, and if she is not ready for work,
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there are such cases that then there may
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be an option for a one-time use of an
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illegal immigrant, that is, he goes on a one-time
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trip, performs some tasks,
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returns, she lives here waiting for him, there
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may be an option for a long-term settlement,
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say as in the case of Lonsdale or how they
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accidentally beat them, they were by john the same
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target was perceived with you as an
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independent reconnaissance unit
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or not, what were its functions like a
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partner or a wingman, in general,
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an intelligence officer and
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what is called the leader of this
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cell is Jacques here The thing is clearly
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that at first Giselle was not even a
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career officer, she was simply a
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civilian employee paired with an
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illegal immigrant, that is, is there a wife, but she
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received an official category, she
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received a salary due to the basics and her
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functions included
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assisting in maintaining communications and
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mainly organizing cover but as a
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rule, couples carry very heavy
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loads,
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it is sometimes difficult even to separate who
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does more and who does less in
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the case of Jacques and Giselle, she had to
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work a lot to cover and this
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determined her
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position in this small cell, that
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is, her task was to ensure the
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normal functioning of the cover
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that they created
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and specifically in the case of my wife,
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she studied English at school for 6 years,
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five years at Moscow University, then
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she was engaged in special teaching with a
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teacher who is a native
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English speaker here and I must say that
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she was proficient in English, she was
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given a second language, or rather even a primary
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language She studied French and the French language
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in Moscow for
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over a year, first with a Russian
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teacher, then with a Swiss, after
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that she went to France and for
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three months she lived in Paris, after
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that she pretended to be a
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Frenchwoman, but of course she
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sociability and purely human quality,
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they were so attractive
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to Spanish friends that we cannot
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close our eyes to the fact that she
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helped the Jacques a lot in developing connections with
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people, establishing contacts, and so
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on, when we estimated her experience already about
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two years later, she might be and
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3, I don’t remember now, came to the unequivocal
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conclusion that she should also be recommended
00:21:06
to become an officer since she bears
00:21:11
quite a high load and
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this must correspond to the
00:21:15
salary and and so on, because an officer
00:21:17
gets more, we get bonuses for the rank and
00:21:19
so on, she must be said to be very
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skeptical I reacted to this
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proposal while I was here on vacation
00:21:26
because I saw myself in my city as a
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purely civilian person and
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could not imagine that she would
00:21:34
also have to become an officer and look somehow in
00:21:36
weather conditions and so on, in general it
00:21:38
was even worth some work and and convince her
00:21:40
that it would be better, it would be better for
00:21:42
her because it would be associated with an
00:21:43
improvement in her financial situation,
00:21:45
and in the end,
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the rank of lieutenant was arbitrary. A difficult question, I know
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that life ended dramatically,
00:21:56
what happened was just a tragedy,
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she ended up in car accident,
00:22:03
Jacques's ultimate goal was the United States, where he
00:22:06
was to arrive years later, having
00:22:07
previously lived for many years in
00:22:09
Spain, then the same number of years in the countries of
00:22:10
Latin America, but fate and the center
00:22:12
decreed otherwise, it just so happened that
00:22:14
he spent most of his illegal life
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in countries with fascist
00:22:17
dictatorial regimes
00:22:19
once in At the beginning of September 73,
00:22:21
you heard on TV reports of a
00:22:23
coup in Chile, he looked at his wife and
00:22:25
said, you’ll see after tomorrow I
00:22:26
’ll be in Santiaga, he turned out to be right,
00:22:29
over the past 25 years he changed more than one
00:22:31
profession: he was a journalist, a trader, a
00:22:33
photojournalist, a sociologist, and in
00:22:35
Spain the center instructed him to open a salon
00:22:37
beauty already worked as a cosmetologist,
00:22:39
massage therapist, he is a director, the business went
00:22:41
successfully in a matter of months, he
00:22:42
turned into a very wealthy
00:22:44
person, his current pension is hardly
00:22:46
comparable to earnings in the West 25
00:22:49
years ago, a person in his profession enters his
00:22:51
sixth decade with a full complement of
00:22:52
diseases caused by severe nervous
00:22:54
stress,
00:22:55
you’re already an adult son, but not a single one is legal,
00:22:57
does not wish his children his profession and
00:22:59
career
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00:23:07
you are talking about the friendly relations
00:23:11
that have developed between you and
00:23:14
Jacques, but I heard that even two friends of
00:23:20
close employees of the State
00:23:23
Security Committee, intelligence and counterintelligence of
00:23:25
other departments are still somewhere on to
00:23:30
the bottom, each of them had
00:23:34
doubts, what if after this conversation
00:23:36
he goes and reports, tell me, tell me, was it so,
00:23:43
was it not so, he says experience,
00:23:48
experience clearly tells me that the system of
00:23:51
denunciation, the
00:23:52
system of reporting on the management of some
00:23:58
nuances of behavior of either a subordinate or
00:24:01
subordinates, so to speak say something
00:24:04
now it was a generally accepted phenomenon
00:24:05
that I should prosper and make a
00:24:09
career while, as a rule, those people who
00:24:11
knew how to prove themselves worthily in
00:24:14
this field,
00:24:15
but as for our relationship with
00:24:18
Jacques and Giselle, we were so
00:24:21
far from this sphere of activity We
00:24:28
were so uninterested in these problems by their nature, we were so
00:24:32
uninterested and so unfit
00:24:36
to deal with
00:24:38
something similar to you that this question simply
00:24:41
did not arise and there were direct tasks,
00:24:43
the person took risks; I, as a curator,
00:24:46
helped him reach I already knew this risk
00:24:50
myself, what kind of rice it was, what was
00:24:52
the point for us to do something, so to speak, that’s what
00:24:55
I told him, well, let’s say, yes, I told
00:24:58
him something, let’s say, he said
00:25:00
that he didn’t like this one there or
00:25:04
something my husband didn’t say anything about the system, don’t
00:25:06
remember all our conversations at that time,
00:25:08
well, I didn’t like it, maybe Khrushchev
00:25:11
something there back in J7, I didn’t like that
00:25:14
Chaliapin would be for it,
00:25:15
and at some stage in Russian culture,
00:25:18
she spoke directly about it, so to speak,
00:25:20
the price to make some kind of denunciation out of this,
00:25:22
and so on, it seems to me
00:25:25
that the ethics in the relations of illegal immigrants were
00:25:28
much higher than the ethics of the
00:25:32
indigenous apparatchiks, what is called
00:25:35
and what, as I later had to
00:25:38
verify, unfortunately, the ethics of the
00:25:41
operational station workers and the
00:25:44
apparatus on which to explain why a
00:25:46
career travels abroad border promotion
00:25:51
teams subordination to the leader one's
00:25:55
own person loyalty everything is checked
00:25:58
literally in detail what he said where he
00:26:00
said how he said to whom he said he comes with
00:26:04
me and he leads not with me
00:26:06
this determines the degree of my trust in
00:26:09
him if not I will try to
00:26:13
get rid of him from us in this way case, not
00:26:15
myself because I moved away from
00:26:18
doing these things at a certain stage in general,
00:26:21
and I’ll pose the same question, but otherwise
00:26:26
your career to a significant extent and,
00:26:29
accordingly, your life depended on
00:26:33
how Jacques’s career and life turned out and
00:26:37
there abroad,
00:26:39
imagine the slot recruited
00:26:41
recruited by another intelligence service this
00:26:44
definitely brings with it and in general the
00:26:48
collapse of your career the motherboard from
00:26:50
security to what extent this factor influenced
00:26:54
your relationship
00:26:56
this factor did not affect our
00:26:59
relationship in any way; moreover, there were cases
00:27:01
when suspicions arose that
00:27:04
Jacques was being developed by, say,
00:27:05
Spanish counterintelligence
00:27:07
management in particular in the
00:27:10
security department that was supposed to
00:27:12
deal with these issues, for my
00:27:14
part, for my part, I always did
00:27:16
everything that depended on me to
00:27:18
remove these suspicions, I believed that there
00:27:20
was no basis for them,
00:27:22
not to mention what could be
00:27:24
said about the peri-recruitment there or something
00:27:26
else, but I must say that after
00:27:31
Alina’s betrayal in the seventieth year
00:27:34
after the failure of our illegal immigrants to South
00:27:37
Africa who wrote the world, the
00:27:39
South African
00:27:41
journalist did not dictate her, so to speak, her own, I
00:27:45
would say, memories, but her own, so to
00:27:47
speak, vital h in preparation and
00:27:50
work in in the illegal apparatus, the atmosphere has
00:27:55
become tense,
00:27:56
especially this atmosphere has become tense
00:28:00
after yesterday's events, that is, this is the
00:28:02
influence of the Prague spring and the fear that in the
00:28:07
ranks of
00:28:08
the employees there are people who sympathize and
00:28:10
therefore may behave unexpectedly,
00:28:13
as, say, an illegal immigrant behaved openly,
00:28:17
arrested in South Africa, stories so
00:28:19
openly
00:28:20
about everything about it was not allowed
00:28:23
to tell or act Lyalina, these are
00:28:26
the nuances, they greatly influenced the
00:28:29
situation in general in the non-intelligence apparatus
00:28:31
and in the illegal intelligence apparatus, in
00:28:33
particular, at that time an illegal intelligence security department was created
00:28:39
which was designed to resolve
00:28:44
security issues, information leakage failures in
00:28:47
the prospect of paradise from
00:28:50
us, Perry recruited our workers, in
00:28:53
my opinion, to my great regret, not
00:28:56
in my opinion, from my great
00:28:57
regret, the
00:28:58
leadership position in this department was
00:29:00
occupied by people like Boris Logov,
00:29:03
who is notorious for his
00:29:05
interrogations of Raoul Wallenberg and this is,
00:29:08
so to speak, a biased attitude towards a
00:29:12
person as an object
00:29:18
the enemy's tan bofke intends to
00:29:21
stereotype the Stalinist years of the court pay
00:29:25
ranks and take the communities, they were very much
00:29:28
in prison thanks to these people in the
00:29:30
security department, naturally this had a
00:29:33
detrimental effect on the relationship with the attitude
00:29:36
towards illegal immigrants, not on the relationship with
00:29:38
them, there were a lot of cases when
00:29:40
illegal immigrants were simply subjected to humiliating
00:29:44
checks and were exposed for
00:29:46
they external surveillance in the apartment
00:29:49
restored listening to the equipment
00:29:52
with a word they settled scores so you
00:29:57
understand when there is equipment in the apartment a
00:29:59
person bends something in his soul
00:30:01
it openly expresses he talks about
00:30:03
it he would not regret it to his close
00:30:04
friends the equipment fixes it he
00:30:07
begins to see everything that he let’s say he doesn’t
00:30:09
treat the boss
00:30:12
so and so kindly, he reads all these notes and
00:30:13
in the complex complex, so to speak,
00:30:17
it gets screwed up, screwed up,
00:30:18
screwed up and there will be a case when
00:30:20
illegal immigrants are forced not forced to be
00:30:21
purposefully refused now,
00:30:24
looking back,
00:30:27
remembering all the checks that
00:30:30
were carried out by Western counterintelligence my
00:30:33
our counterintelligence in It was always possible to
00:30:37
feel it and determine that they
00:30:39
were checking you or they were
00:30:42
fooling you, you know, there are
00:30:49
routine checks that we knew about and
00:30:52
which we were ready for example, when in
00:30:56
Spain we received a residence permit
00:30:58
or work permit, especially a
00:31:02
residence permit from the police, we knew that
00:31:04
usually so to speak
00:31:09
installation around the house should follow, that is, he will
00:31:11
interview dragging neighbors in our
00:31:15
way of life, carrying some things
00:31:18
here, it was nice the next thing is that we were
00:31:21
ready for this, moreover, we always
00:31:26
created such an atmosphere of mutual understanding around us
00:31:33
and for example we had very
00:31:36
good relationships with the concierge in the house
00:31:39
where we lived and when it passed, it means that
00:31:42
we renewed our residence permit several times,
00:31:44
then this routine check
00:31:47
went through and, strangely enough,
00:31:50
with the concierge the neighbors started reporting
00:31:52
that the police were interested in us, in
00:31:56
such cases this was generally the case a
00:31:58
calm check could be expected at some point, that
00:32:04
is, one could say to
00:32:09
intuitively feel that there is some kind of trouble around, this is what
00:32:14
we mainly
00:32:19
focused our understanding on, but what is the
00:32:22
external sign that something is visible, well,
00:32:25
firstly, how is it happening in the environment,
00:32:28
people appear who can say this
00:32:31
not well known to us incomprehensibly
00:32:34
some intrusiveness some
00:32:37
questions that differ from the
00:32:40
usual there were such cases there were checks
00:32:45
for example in the business people appeared to
00:32:47
carry it they found out our pasts everything
00:32:50
was also unpleasant but when we made
00:32:53
some inquiries we found out it was simply
00:32:56
competitors who wanted to know,
00:32:58
maybe to compromise, maybe to
00:33:00
carry how then after affecting
00:33:02
us there would be such checks,
00:33:09
but besides the fact that
00:33:13
we led a normal lifestyle when we were
00:33:16
engaged in some kind of operational
00:33:19
activities, we carried out checks, that
00:33:21
is, we had the route was worked out and
00:33:25
then we had constant marks
00:33:27
left in the apartment, so during the entire
00:33:31
stay, so to speak, there was no
00:33:33
dragging someone who
00:33:35
got into the apartment without our knowledge,
00:33:38
if there had been such a signal then they would have
00:33:40
started to be wary and I must say
00:33:43
that here here it was, but I don’t know in
00:33:47
Spain, but in other countries
00:33:49
it means that we are at war in our skin,
00:33:53
we felt the care of the centers,
00:33:56
I remember the time, it means that I was unexpectedly at
00:34:01
someone’s parents’ gram where they suggested that it
00:34:03
means not to engage in intelligence
00:34:05
activities but to go out on such and such a day to
00:34:08
go along this route he is
00:34:10
engaged in 45 and to do this to carry
00:34:13
twice we were extremely surprised
00:34:18
but later this said in the center we found out
00:34:21
that apparently
00:34:24
the air was tapped somewhere or according to some other
00:34:27
data, that is, surveillance was discovered, surveillance was
00:34:29
introduced a person according to the description
00:34:32
that we were, so it means that
00:34:35
the service took
00:34:37
such special measures to check whether we were
00:34:41
lucky or not and we were all in
00:34:44
harmony, tell me why we dressed up in the
00:34:46
suspicions of the security department that Jaka is
00:34:49
being developed by a Spanish outlet, I would
00:34:53
say that it was not under these suspicions that
00:34:56
they were not born were just simply
00:34:57
fictitious they were simply fictitious I don’t
00:35:02
trust from the center there was one episode I mean
00:35:04
in Spain I got to know each other very closely late
00:35:06
developed one connection he
00:35:09
was a secret police officer I recognized him
00:35:14
by chance that is, he was a
00:35:16
friend of our mutual acquaintances and
00:35:20
when we first met and
00:35:23
paid attention to her, I
00:35:24
felt some kind of commonality of character,
00:35:27
one blood type,
00:35:28
but he was interesting and Mnishek, but that’s all, and so
00:35:32
he worked in the secret police, first I
00:35:34
dragged him and we decided that it might be better
00:35:36
not to get involved with the abbots, having assessed his personal
00:35:39
business qualities and decided that it was the other way around I
00:35:41
can, so to speak,
00:35:42
gain his trust and maybe at
00:35:45
least in the dark, getting information
00:35:49
was quite a difficult operation, since we
00:35:51
met all the time in the company of a clip
00:35:53
restaurant Oliva visiting, it
00:35:57
was extremely difficult to pull him out on ourselves, and then I
00:36:00
had to rack my brain for a long time as to how after
00:36:02
all, take out the bubble, start
00:36:05
studying him
00:36:06
personally and maybe start working
00:36:09
in terms of studying him from the position of his
00:36:16
suitability for reconnaissance, he came to our
00:36:19
house, which means we worked, then my wife
00:36:22
cooked dinner and we had such a long,
00:36:24
pleasant conversation with him, I didn’t recognize him if only his life
00:36:27
would recognize his peculiarity of character and
00:36:31
slowly we began to
00:36:34
talk quite seriously about the
00:36:36
situation in the country, I would look for what
00:36:39
regimes and so on, so on, so on,
00:36:41
that is, he was a very informed
00:36:43
person;
00:36:44
moreover, it so happened that his
00:36:49
duty was to attend various
00:36:51
such events of all kinds of political
00:36:55
meetings of
00:36:56
some kind from mass sexual
00:37:00
legal gatherings of some kind to him alone, he
00:37:04
he appeared to attract me, that is,
00:37:07
it was easier for him when not one but two of us were sitting and
00:37:09
.
00:37:10
and in this way, he also brought me
00:37:12
great benefit because at these meetings
00:37:14
I also received some information,
00:37:17
we had some acquaintances there and I
00:37:19
read other things, well, there was such a desire
00:37:24
to translate this work, which means to
00:37:28
study it, to carry it around, to use it
00:37:30
for some more serious semi-
00:37:33
intelligence purposes, so
00:37:37
I started talking about all the connections, we
00:37:39
reported in detail to the centers, I described
00:37:41
him in the edition, which maybe I didn’t write
00:37:44
about something that he received a fee, I
00:37:46
read it, and when I arrived in
00:37:49
center told everything in this place, there was
00:37:52
some kind of overlap here and something I
00:37:55
felt some kind of mistrust, that is,
00:38:00
somewhere half-hints were expressed that
00:38:03
I was not developing it, I was developing it, the
00:38:05
security department needed to show
00:38:08
themselves, they needed to show themselves somewhere
00:38:11
as always, counterintelligence is looking for compromising evidence
00:38:14
on personally, always
00:38:15
some kind of case that needs to be inflated,
00:38:17
which needs to be shown, so to speak, as the
00:38:19
result of their fruitful work,
00:38:22
but so to speak, I’m returning to the
00:38:24
problem of the relationship between
00:38:28
political vision, inspired by vape
00:38:31
now from Khrushchev’s and what began to
00:38:34
happen in the apparatus of the little rats after
00:38:36
68, we can confidently
00:38:38
give this example as an illustration of
00:38:40
how
00:38:43
the suspicion was fabricated, that is, the step gave truthful
00:38:45
information about the situation in the country,
00:38:47
undoubtedly he wrote this, the emotional and
00:38:50
functional richness of his reports
00:38:52
would have been very interesting,
00:38:54
he had very good reports
00:38:56
sources in particular and in the police in the
00:38:58
Francoist emotionality of these
00:39:01
reports betrayed,
00:39:02
so to speak, his sympathy for the
00:39:07
democratic
00:39:09
manifestations in Spain, the collapse of the dictatorship,
00:39:12
then Len did not write that I
00:39:14
like what the democrats are doing there,
00:39:16
but this was felt in general in all the
00:39:18
lines of his letter, so to speak.
00:39:22
there was a fear of a transformation of
00:39:26
political psychology itself or a goal; it
00:39:30
was necessary to somehow react to this; this was the
00:39:32
first moment; the second moment; reports
00:39:35
were shown in the information department; there were
00:39:38
also people sitting there; there were also young people sitting;
00:39:42
some analogies, some associations inevitably arose;
00:39:44
this was the second moment and the third moment
00:39:46
information of this kind was given to the top,
00:39:49
it was processed, it was given to the top,
00:39:51
it went to the secretary of the sections of the Politburo, and
00:39:54
if we say they would have given it in the form as
00:39:58
Jacques wrote it, then it would have caused it, too,
00:40:01
so the jump writes somehow everything here looks very much like
00:40:04
you have already seen in
00:40:06
Czechoslovakia how it all collapsed there,
00:40:08
some hints of totalitarianism, what
00:40:10
is it, so to speak, we also seem to have some
00:40:13
hints, this is approximately what I
00:40:16
was able to understand after analyzing this situation
00:40:18
in a conversation with my colleagues and in
00:40:21
particular with the right information when this
00:40:25
means it was dictated, it was a
00:40:29
purely fabricated version that
00:40:32
counterintelligence decided to beat and
00:40:35
beat it, or so to speak, discourage Jacques from the
00:40:38
desire to deal with the source of
00:40:42
information with whom he worked, it was a
00:40:44
person 2 from the police in India, or
00:40:47
if it doesn’t work out, do it like this in order to get
00:40:48
him out of it somehow, so to speak,
00:40:50
we never did, at
00:40:53
least I never did some kind of
00:40:55
conductor manipulation to suit the requirements of
00:41:00
the time or people who were waiting for
00:41:02
information, I somehow had a pretty
00:41:06
good leader from the very beginning and he
00:41:09
said that the strength of illegal immigrants is that he
00:41:11
must report
00:41:12
exactly what he sees and not what is expected
00:41:15
for many, many years Zhurov
00:41:18
played the role of a person character biography the
00:41:20
life itself that you came up with for him
00:41:22
here in the center and over many years Zhurov has become so
00:41:24
fused with this fictional in a way that
00:41:26
sometimes he couldn’t really say where
00:41:28
his true self ended and where his
00:41:30
second began, even at night in bed with his
00:41:33
wife, fearing listening equipment,
00:41:35
they whispered words to each other in a
00:41:37
foreign language;
00:41:38
marriage of illegal immigrants rarely endures the test of
00:41:41
nerves; my separation and playing at other
00:41:43
people is often not only a tragedy for 2
00:41:46
adults by me for their children a
00:41:48
child born into a family of illegal immigrants,
00:41:50
say somewhere in Spain, has no idea
00:41:51
that he is actually Russian, that
00:41:53
his parents have Russian names and that sooner
00:41:55
or later he will be brought to an unknown
00:41:57
country called Russia, the language
00:42:00
he doesn’t know and about which he will suddenly be
00:42:01
informed that it is his real
00:42:03
homeland, they are Spain, as he used to think
00:42:05
since childhood
00:42:08
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