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Good afternoon 15 o'clock Moscow time00:01:16
this is Echo and a living nail My name is Aidar00:01:20
Akhmadiev, your personal program00:01:22
starts with today's broadcasts and00:01:24
your personal writer today Viktor00:01:26
Shenderovich Viktor Anatolyevich is very glad to00:01:28
see you00:01:29
Hello each other Well, before we00:01:32
move on Let's start the conversation traditionally00:01:34
with an advertisement on00:01:37
shop.dilettant.media a book appeared00:01:39
called the ascetics of Montparnasse, which is00:01:42
extremely interesting. During the00:01:44
twentieth century,00:01:46
hundreds of artists from the Russian Empire worked in France,00:01:48
many of whom grew up in Jewish00:01:50
families. Some of them became world00:01:53
famous, we know them, other famous ones00:01:54
Only specialists, a number of worthy00:01:57
masters, are threatened with oblivion. In00:01:59
fact, this book describes how00:02:01
these artists lived there, how they00:02:06
worked, and so on, immobile whisper00:02:10
dot amateur. The media is excellent. I think it’s a New00:02:12
Year’s gift with delivery to any00:02:15
completely populated area on our00:02:18
planet. Viktor Anatolyevich, you know00:02:21
since it’s December 30th, the end of the year,00:02:23
let’s sum up the results of the outgoing 2022. Personally,00:02:28
I personally don’t have any New Year’s00:02:31
festive mood there, of course,00:02:32
tell me this. What results can you personally00:02:37
voice? What did 2022 look like to you,00:02:41
what did you understand during this year? It’s possible00:02:47
to share some insights00:02:50
for each of us for I would say so00:02:53
for all decent people00:02:56
on earth this year was dramatic and00:03:02
very memorable It would be better if it were not00:03:05
so memorable Of course in00:03:08
many ways wisdom a lot of sadness multiplying00:03:10
knowledge multiplying cattle of course00:03:12
2200:03:15
increased our knowledge of our00:03:18
perfection of our nature, it is00:03:22
monstrous, monstrously quite a portrait00:03:25
of humanity, which in the00:03:28
21st century is still capable of this. Well,00:03:31
in fact, the idea is the idea of Jules00:03:34
Werner’s times that the development of00:03:36
humanity, the development of the science of technology of00:03:39
social connections will entail00:03:42
changes in man for the better in man00:03:45
as a species Well, here it is there00:03:48
this is the utopia that remains, we are what we are, we are00:03:53
monkeys with a small amount with a00:03:56
light cobweb that distinguishes us from00:03:59
monkeys00:04:00
Yes, this is homosapius sapiens, and this is00:04:03
not a given, but a possibility, as00:04:08
biologists persistently and carefully and tactfully remind us of00:04:10
sapiens, this does not mean that we are intelligent, but00:04:13
sapiens This it means that we have the00:04:15
ability to reason, unlike a00:04:17
monkey and, yes, even from dogs who live and00:04:22
run, the dog runs, as Glukhovsky00:04:25
once wonderfully formulated about an00:04:27
extended tunnel. So nature00:04:29
has dug a tunnel, she is running, so the00:04:31
tunnel has nowhere to go; the dog is the00:04:34
smartest of hers. you can teach something in00:04:36
this inside the tunnel, but only a person00:04:39
can, yes, in the range from Sharikov and00:04:44
to, strictly speaking, and then00:04:47
Socrates begins, manti is the00:04:50
possibility of a person, this is not a person. These are00:04:53
people like manti or Sakharov. They00:04:55
show what a person can be if he is00:04:59
strong try to get lucky and of course we,00:05:04
as a human race, We have once again00:05:08
shown that we are much more so to00:05:12
speak00:05:14
monkeys, monkeys in suits, than00:05:17
we are relatives of the antenna. We showed this again in 2200:05:20
Viktor Anatolyevich Well, you00:05:22
just say we Yes, you are generalizing directly all of00:05:25
humanity But not all those00:05:27
below are developing unevenly, someone is already00:05:30
almost00:05:34
Of course They only00:05:36
dictate the rules of life00:05:39
They dictate the norms are still not manty00:05:44
Sergeevich00:05:47
the norms are still today the norm in00:05:50
Russia the political norm in Russia is00:05:53
Prigozhin Kadyrov00:05:58
this is the norm this is what yes this is the norm the norm is00:06:01
not in the sense that this is good and in the00:06:04
sense that this is normal This is the00:06:06
norm here, yes And unfortunately, unfortunately00:06:10
this is so and 22 showed that we are capable of00:06:14
becoming cannibals and being proud of it to wash Yes,00:06:17
in particular, the Russian people, if I00:06:20
say00:06:23
I am constantly forced get better,00:06:25
clarify the idea that we are not talking about00:06:29
genetics00:06:33
No No, let's talk about Nazism, this is not me and not00:06:36
with you, it means we are00:06:42
talking about a social norm that in00:06:45
Russia00:06:47
when we say Russian people Well, yes, this is00:06:50
Prigozhin, but I also want Dmitry cordial00:06:52
Yes, of course, the spread is natural the spread00:06:56
but unfortunately history is not interested in these00:06:59
human details, history I00:07:02
repeat all the time, I’m interested in the00:07:03
arithmetic mean, the total Vector, here’s00:07:06
the total Vector today is such that the elite00:07:08
is Prigogine’s Kadyrov, despite the fact that there are00:07:11
Gureev Alexander00:07:12
Baryshnikov and God knows00:07:18
Viktor Anatolyevich But you know, well,00:07:20
just someone says Well, that’s what kind of00:07:21
power such a people have. Yes, and they are trying to00:07:27
convey to us that the fish rots not only00:07:29
from the head from all sides. Now, if it weren’t for00:07:31
such people, there would be no such power,00:07:33
they say, you can agree with this at least00:07:34
a little; these are related00:07:37
things, of course of course00:07:42
Yes, if00:07:45
Prigozhin and Kadyrov come to the distant future today, they don’t have any special00:07:47
political prospects.00:07:48
Of course, but the people are not in the genetic sense again,00:07:52
when they say, well, the00:07:54
Russian people, you know, they’re not00:07:57
good for them;00:08:02
everything like that This is00:08:04
sly this is sly because00:08:07
we know the same people about the neighbors for00:08:10
decades appear in different ways different00:08:12
people begin to dictate the norm when the00:08:15
political norm begins to dictate the00:08:17
norm between the regional Deputy00:08:19
group Academy of Kryzhov and professors00:08:21
Afanasyev00:08:23
Russians it turns out that yes, one00:08:28
norm appears when Korzhak and00:08:31
Badger another when Prigozhin and00:08:33
Kadyrov the third00:08:34
one and the same society the same00:08:37
people in general00:08:38
means a crafty conversation00:08:40
The elite the00:08:42
elite sets the rule this is the Magnet on00:08:45
which the chips fall the majority in00:08:47
any nation this is not about the Russian people00:08:49
in the same way about German Korean00:08:53
any people00:08:54
The elite sets the rule of the game this is the strongest00:08:59
The magnet on which the pattern of00:09:01
the shavings is laid00:09:03
will be a magnet in a different shape the shavings like a00:09:05
cute one will fall on another in a different00:09:08
shape because the majority is always00:09:11
within the norm in this and the catastrophe of00:09:13
humanity some Hope00:09:15
because movement is not only00:09:18
towards degradation, but to the side00:09:20
and upward there is also movement, and when00:09:23
Ryzhov and Afanasyev become the elite,00:09:25
we notice how millions also change00:09:28
and the rules of behavior change, so there is a00:09:30
sly conversation about the fact that there is some00:09:32
people given once and for all and they have00:09:35
such power By the way, this is their00:09:37
reasoning, you voiced their logic00:09:41
and this is a favorite conversation. Do you remember Yes,00:09:43
Simonyan’s remark that say thank you if00:09:46
not us If there are fair elections, you will all00:09:49
be hanged, they are scaring us that the Russian00:09:52
people if now they choose00:09:59
because I am absolutely I am convinced00:10:01
that the00:10:03
circumstances and resources00:10:07
within the people are different. Of course, there is a question of00:10:09
how00:10:15
someone becomes a marginalized person. There was a time00:10:18
when Prigozhin was a marginalized person; he was a00:10:21
criminal who was convicted by the00:10:23
Leningrad court and was imprisoned.00:10:27
moment00:10:31
this is one time this is one time And when00:10:35
no one has heard of Professor Afanasyev00:10:37
and in the Duma there is not a single decent00:10:40
person and several patented murderers00:10:44
and Prigozhin is political This is the other00:10:49
side, therefore this is a crafty conversation and00:10:52
If we talk about wishes for connection with this00:10:55
for the future, then the wish is only one thing00:10:57
is to know their place so that marginalized00:11:01
people have criminal norms. More precisely, they have become00:11:04
marginalized and people of decent norms have become the00:11:07
elite and the same people are the same00:11:10
millions.00:11:11
Yes, they will not go in the other direction right away00:11:14
because intoxication for 20 years when00:11:17
they pour fascist fascist rubbish into their00:11:19
heads then immediately it won’t work with a click,00:11:22
but Viktor Anatolyevich And I correctly00:11:25
understood that the people should not first00:11:28
choose the elite, that is, first they need to00:11:29
install some kind of elite, the people will follow00:11:33
it,00:11:37
a story about00:11:41
some kind of chicken, they will send a good one00:11:47
from the late eighties to the early nineties00:11:50
Deputy group Yes, these people 10000:11:55
decent deputies of the State Duma00:11:57
an unthinkable unthinkable thing 10000:12:00
intelligent deputies of the State00:12:02
Duma are00:12:11
just00:12:13
people like me already, well, that’s how I00:12:16
remember him and there will be people like00:12:18
Professor Afanasyev or Academician Kryzhov,00:12:20
they’re just marginalized in Soviet times00:12:22
and also in the political sense, but00:12:26
they are professors and academicians, but in00:12:29
their institutes they cannot00:12:32
determine politics, politics is determined by00:12:36
Andropov and Suslov, but when politics00:12:39
begins to be determined before Gorbachev and00:12:42
Yakovlev, it turns out that there is a supply of00:12:46
educated intelligent people, there is00:12:48
energy, the00:12:49
country changes within sometimes00:12:53
a month, it changes beyond recognition two to three to00:12:57
several years completely unrecognizable,00:12:58
these are the same people, this is a conversation about00:13:02
the people, that without metaphysics00:13:05
there is some kind of people Yes, once and00:13:09
for all, the data of00:13:11
millions in which inside there is00:13:14
Prigozhin a criminal and Yuri Alekseevich00:13:17
Ryzhov That’s all the00:13:19
rules we live here, the question is just00:13:22
representation That yes, you say you00:13:24
wished for the country that certain00:13:27
people should be in their places,00:13:29
criminals where they need to be and the Elite00:13:32
intelligentsia in the elite, how to00:13:35
achieve this, criminals should be in the00:13:37
wrong place, day we need to be where we need to,00:13:45
how to achieve this, you just understand if00:13:48
we start from the principle of00:13:50
democracy, the people should throw out this00:13:52
next one, and given what00:13:57
you look at, it means OB is also a00:14:00
very cunning trap. The trap is when00:14:04
they say this. The people now00:14:06
will vote like this, but the fact is that Elections00:14:09
are not only an honest count00:14:11
of which, by the way, hasn’t happened for a long time. Of course,00:14:14
we remember like 9 years ago, Navalny in00:14:18
Moscow,00:14:19
without having a minute of air time,00:14:24
scored 27 percent, and in reality,00:14:27
apparently, he was officially under 30 27 Yes, only00:14:30
in the cubes they did00:14:32
n’t let him in, not on the radio, not on00:14:35
television anywhere, and so on, which means that an00:14:39
election campaign is attached to the elections00:14:41
attached Freedom press choice00:14:44
It’s not just now Calculate how00:14:47
how now you vote it’s six months00:14:50
six months on the First Second Channel Materials are published00:14:54
Here Putin and the company are sending out00:14:58
their materials and exactly the same00:15:00
timing Kara-Murza00:15:03
Navalny Yes we All of us show our00:15:07
materials we tell about them00:15:10
about Putin and Badger's income about their00:15:15
theft about their murder00:15:18
Sasha Cherkasov Alexander Cherkasov from the00:15:20
memorial The Nobel laureate will tell00:15:23
you about Chechnya he will read out and00:15:25
show portraits he will talk00:15:27
about Chechnya And so on and so forth00:15:32
But in six months, such a story00:15:35
worth millions tens of millions Let's00:15:39
vote, the fact of the00:15:40
matter is that this is a process, it was a00:15:44
process if you remember Well,00:15:46
maybe you don’t really remember the Soviet00:15:48
people were building communism and00:15:51
communists and sports But as soon as it00:15:54
became possible to talk, as soon as it00:15:57
became possible to publish from 84 to 8900:16:02
year after five years the00:16:04
same people, but it was a completely00:16:07
different people, I can say about my00:16:10
own father, who in 1984 still00:16:14
had a portrait of Lenin on his bookshelves.00:16:16
Yes, but in 1989 he didn’t, that’s all,00:16:22
by the way, about free media, you know, I00:16:25
looked it up recently special edition of the00:16:28
NTV capture this is April 3, 2001 and you00:16:31
were present there in the studio and I00:16:33
transcribed a small fragment of your00:16:36
speech if you allow me to read it out00:16:38
I catch myself saying that in the Old00:16:41
miniature of Zhvanetsky it’s wonderful00:16:43
disputable disputable disputes everything doesn’t turn out00:16:44
as obvious as I told her it’s00:16:47
ugly for a tenant to suspect when he’s quite00:16:49
sure we know why they came, what they00:16:52
will do, how and in what00:16:53
sequence, also to me,00:16:55
Newton’s Binom, as00:16:57
Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin said like a pencil case, was00:17:00
for what, that’s who took the blow With all00:17:02
that we talked about him, and probably00:17:04
rightly so he was a historical figure,00:17:05
all the good things he did himself and all the00:17:09
bad things he did himself, he was himself, there00:17:12
was no inferiority complex in him, so it00:17:13
was allowed by some00:17:16
big factor in him. Today I see only a huge00:17:18
inferiority complex. 200100:17:21
As they say, they warned Yes, it changed many years00:17:24
ago00:17:25
your opinion But today you00:17:27
see this inferiority complex, it’s00:17:29
just that00:17:30
he continues to treat it with a huge00:17:34
inferiority complex, because00:17:36
messianism and a mania complex The greatness of00:17:38
complex usefulness are things Very00:17:39
connected00:17:42
Of course, a person who has the nickname moth00:17:46
Yes, a person who has never00:17:50
achieved anything in any business at all00:17:53
success in his profession, he did not achieve00:17:55
any success, he was the00:17:58
final final of his professional career The00:18:02
first department at Leningrad00:18:03
University00:18:04
so that professors that professors and00:18:07
students snitch on each other That's all00:18:09
his work,00:18:10
he is nothing, he is a disgrace of this00:18:14
profession, he is a general Kandaurov and00:18:18
when such a person is 50 years suddenly it00:18:21
suddenly becomes just like00:18:25
that, it seems to him like the hand of God, in00:18:28
fact it was Berezovsky, of course00:18:29
Abramovich Well, it seems like the hand of God And00:18:32
where they pull him up00:18:35
and suddenly he becomes the president of a00:18:37
huge country and suddenly those who didn’t00:18:40
notice him stand in shoulders shoulders bow00:18:44
this of course changes the bird very seriously00:18:47
and of course I watched I watched00:18:51
live as he talked to us in00:18:54
January 2001 before that he called00:18:57
Svetlana Sorokina to talk specifically00:19:00
this is the session this is Angela absolutely00:19:02
this is a Shakespearean plot he00:19:05
needed this humiliation Svetlana Sorokina,00:19:07
who a few years before this, well, there00:19:10
was some kind of pale shadow behind00:19:13
Sorokina’s shoulder who was communicating with Sobchak, and00:19:16
behind Sobchak stood some Volodya,00:19:18
no one needs it for nothing, an unknown person00:19:20
whom she didn’t even direct her eyes to. Well,00:19:23
some Volodya with what a pleasure00:19:27
and Putin gave Sorokina00:19:31
the opportunity to ask00:19:33
for NTV Yes, ask to ask to lie00:19:38
on your feet00:19:39
then ask what kind of pleasure00:19:42
listen, of course, complex00:19:44
fullness began Well, it’s clear that But00:19:46
then it grew very much and00:19:48
this messianism of today is of course00:19:51
he heals everything he heals everything your00:19:55
own human In general, strictly00:19:59
speaking, a human insignificance because00:20:02
Putin’s legal assessment in the salt report00:20:06
Yes, the thief fused there is a classical00:20:15
official who is a crime00:20:19
Marina, here is Vladimir Putin,00:20:22
at night, here is the protection of the casino, here is the00:20:27
state border, the size of the00:20:29
Baltic Shipping Company Yes, that’s all00:20:31
night Petersburg, that’s all Gangster00:20:34
Petersburg,00:20:36
you know the question arose, we are home. We00:20:39
know this has happened over the years and where00:20:41
we are today, but you see,00:20:44
even in this broadcast from April 2001,00:20:47
Vladimir Pozner If I’m not mistaken, he00:20:49
began talking about the lack of00:20:51
corporate Solidarity, even among00:20:54
journalists the fact that there is no reaction from society00:20:56
to the takeover of NTV, this is nothing He00:20:59
says Well, this is how you and I can00:21:00
look at it calmly. We00:21:03
have gathered here and that’s not all, well,00:21:06
tell me00:21:07
what’s wrong? Why is there no00:21:10
reaction even then in 2001 when00:21:13
it would seem that the country was freer there was00:21:16
NTV there was a reaction00:21:27
in Moscow in a protective rally in defense of NTV And00:21:30
compared to some year 68 Yes00:21:33
there with the protests it’s a lot 3000:21:38
thousand compared to Prague where on a00:21:40
similar occasion a million people00:21:42
came out in Prague with two million people when there At the00:21:45
same time, as with NTV, the00:21:47
Prime Minister tried to destroy an00:21:50
independent television company that was00:21:51
telling unpleasant things about him, a00:21:54
million burns came out, it became bad in the00:21:58
company, it’s good because this mechanism00:22:00
works, and the big Battalions decide, as00:22:03
Napoleon said, the big00:22:04
Battalions don’t have to decide must be00:22:07
armed when a million comes out in Prague,00:22:09
this is a verdict on the politician they are against,00:22:13
and for some reason the Prime Minister of the Czech Republic does not have the opportunity to capture just everyone00:22:15
and torture them like Lukashenko.00:22:18
And00:22:21
here we come to the main thing. Why is00:22:22
there no00:22:24
story about a chicken egg tradition00:22:26
traditions corporate Solidarity of00:22:29
workshop traditions listen Europe grew up00:22:32
as a workshop on the workshops Yes Night Watch00:22:36
Rebramt Yes this is a workshop portrait of a workshop00:22:41
independent cities free00:22:44
administration presentation of the00:22:47
dignity of the city and so on these are all00:22:49
traditions we didn’t have these traditions or00:22:53
they were but in the area of the Novgorod00:22:55
evening they they were sunk a long time ago, then they didn’t00:22:59
work out in any way. Well, since00:23:01
the year eighty-six, Freedom so that during these years00:23:04
this corporate solidarity would not be possible00:23:13
and people do not realize the importance of shop-floor00:23:16
Solidarity, we later saw this in the00:23:18
oligarchic example. How how everyone00:23:20
rejoiced around the fall of NTV because00:23:24
NTV was the best television company with by a margin00:23:26
better than the television companies and took everything Taffy and00:23:29
like any00:23:32
successful person or organization00:23:33
caused animal envy and how everyone00:23:36
rejoiced at the fall of Gusinsky and how everyone00:23:39
later rejoiced at the fall of Khodorkovsky00:23:41
Because it seemed to them that they would take00:23:44
his place, but they are his place Well, who- then how he was00:23:48
chopped up He just stole and digested Yes,00:23:50
he swallowed it, he digested it, but the entire00:23:53
oligarchic workshop that did not stand up for00:23:55
Zarkovsky immediately became a00:23:57
vassal immediately,00:24:00
and so on and so forth, and the same thing00:24:02
happened with very many workshops before00:24:04
our eyes,00:24:08
in each of the workshops there were worthy people,00:24:10
wonderful and there were Dmitry Semin and00:24:13
like Bendukidze and Khodorkovsky himself and in the00:24:17
lawyer’s workshop there were many00:24:19
many worthy people left and journalists00:24:22
were left but the workshop00:24:24
as a political concept a workshop that00:24:28
affects the life of this There is, of course,00:24:33
no digital Solidarity, we don’t have00:24:35
tefi was an attempt at insurance00:24:37
Solidarity and the first time there, I00:24:41
testify that there was, of course, an00:24:43
element of the Hamburg account and the concerns of00:24:45
the shop floor, then it all fell apart00:24:48
very quickly into corporate interests,00:24:50
voting for one’s own, and came to the same00:24:53
state that it’s even embarrassing to00:24:55
mention00:24:56
Viktor Anatolyevich, look, I’m reading00:24:59
Bloomberg, the loss of the richest Russians since00:25:02
the beginning of the year rose to 93 billion00:25:04
dollars But this is of course not such a large00:25:06
amount if you look at the losses of the same00:25:07
Elon Musk and so on of Western00:25:09
rich people, but as00:25:12
journalists calculated, about half of the fortune00:25:14
melted away after the outbreak of hostilities00:25:16
The other half after the introduction of Western00:25:18
sanctions and now we see this silence00:25:20
Well, it’s clear that the military actions of00:25:23
Vladimir Putin’s policies hit the00:25:25
oligarchs of today very hard, who00:25:27
still remain, and in the ranks who haven’t00:25:29
left anywhere, but they are silent, that’s where00:25:31
all the legs grow, the absence of00:25:35
this Solidarity, the absence of00:25:37
any kind of voice and opportunity at all talk00:25:40
protest and so on, that's the00:25:48
point: when we called them the00:25:50
elite Well, like some time ago, often the00:25:52
elites are generally a good-looking frame But when00:25:55
some time ago we called00:25:58
Abramovich Silberg Deripaska there00:26:01
business Elite our Forbes list But this00:26:04
no Rita is just a very rich00:26:06
vassal00:26:08
Give back the pen said00:26:14
In front of all the honest people Putin Can you00:26:18
imagine that the President of the United00:26:19
States said something like that to Elon Mask or00:26:22
Bill Gates00:26:24
Well, who the hell is that’s the00:26:27
point and Deripaska knows for sure00:26:31
he knows who has a lot of money, but00:26:35
his servility is a condition for00:26:37
him to have a lot of money because he00:26:39
can be imprisoned tomorrow, which, unlike00:26:41
inventing it, doesn’t even need to be just for00:26:43
murder. And so on and so00:26:45
forth00:26:48
and they are all no longer the elite for a long time and what will00:26:52
Friedman be Savin They are what they are now they00:26:55
will only try to save the remnants of00:26:58
their fortune in the west So they are all00:27:01
not the elite they are thrown out vassals The Elite00:27:04
This is the new boyars these are the children of Patrushev00:27:07
Bortnikova this is already the Elite And this is or like It’s00:27:10
too late to drink Borjomi she is not00:27:12
interested in any changes00:27:14
therefore they don’t have any By the way, this is00:27:17
the elite, well, at least try someone from the00:27:21
oligarchs, rich people whom you00:27:23
say are farther away for them now to00:27:26
survive now to survive00:27:28
and we now to survive now is not what the00:27:31
conversation is about, the fact of the matter is that00:27:35
Putin is cynical and he beat very skillfully,00:27:39
but let’s not talk about Deripaska about Vara,00:27:41
he beat those00:27:44
economic liberals, those who00:27:46
assumed that00:27:47
human rights in general could be sacrificed00:27:50
for the sake of the future, that the economy would pull out, that the00:27:54
economy would pull Russia into some00:27:56
new economic ties and pull it out Well, it’s00:28:00
like Chubais And of course, that is, the00:28:04
idea that we need to support,00:28:07
say that the Russian army is00:28:09
being revived in Chechnya, we need to support00:28:11
Putin in Chechnya, we need to get into the Duma00:28:15
and there was 11 percent to get into the Duma,00:28:18
pass the right laws and steer towards00:28:21
some kind of place and the market will take it out and00:28:25
the market00:28:26
and here we see where the market is today, I00:28:33
quote Andrei’s wonderful joke about00:28:37
how a boy married a rich old woman00:28:39
to take over her inheritance when00:28:41
the Boy died, all his toys went to00:28:43
her.00:28:44
This is absolutely this00:28:47
wonderful joke by Knyshev describes00:28:49
this situation, which means it turned out to be a00:28:52
mistake, the idea that one can sacrifice00:28:55
freedoms Yes, for the sake of00:28:58
freedoms, rights, freedom of the media, Yes,00:29:02
corporate Solidarity, that all this00:29:04
can be sacrificed in order to00:29:08
somehow get out through the economy,00:29:11
it turned out to be just a mistake,00:29:14
and in a parasitic way from the outside to00:29:17
a person not economically educated,00:29:19
it was for me, it was very clearly visible,00:29:23
I wrote and maybe Gaidar forums00:29:25
in Zimbab Well, what kind of Gaidar forum00:29:27
can there be in a country where00:29:29
there is Kadyrov? What kind of economy can00:29:32
there be? 10 war, that’s00:29:33
what today all these tadpoles, all00:29:36
these Smarties, this is a collective of Silyan’s00:29:40
Nabiullin sins, what is it today they are00:29:43
helping, Western media write that00:29:44
Nabiullina and others like them tried convey00:29:47
to the leadership to Vladimir Putin00:29:49
What could be the consequences of these00:29:51
hostilities salivary starts00:29:53
really Do you believe that they00:29:55
could at least somehow resist00:29:58
could not convey00:30:01
is still at their post the strength of00:30:04
Yan in00:30:05
their posts This means that they, so to00:30:09
speak, share responsibility That's00:30:12
all in politics, everything is very simple personnel00:30:14
dates, do you agree, voting,00:30:24
everything is fine00:30:27
Yes, then I have a00:30:30
question that is just right for this topic. If everything is00:30:32
really very simple, then what to do00:30:33
with those who systematically worked for this00:30:36
government for many years, but after On00:30:38
February 24, he turned around and went into opposition,00:30:41
condemned Vladimir Putin and the00:30:44
fighting in Ukraine, but the attitude towards the00:30:46
fighting can somehow00:30:47
erase the entire past. If everything is so00:30:49
simple or you just need to figure it out, no00:30:52
no, when I say everything is simple, you00:30:55
correctly shot my attention,00:30:57
everything is as I said professor, it’s still00:30:59
very difficult Yes, but there are rules, there are00:31:02
rules in politics, if you are a00:31:05
member of this party, you don’t leave, you00:31:08
share responsibility, this is a00:31:10
corporate corporate rule,00:31:12
you can’t be inside and not share00:31:15
responsibility is impossible, which means at00:31:18
some point00:31:20
you could be with Putin at00:31:24
contradictions00:31:26
and based on the fact that you can be00:31:29
useful. But for example, Oleg Orlov, a00:31:31
human rights activist,00:31:33
left the presidential council.00:31:36
After the words of00:31:38
Plitkovskaya’s murder and Putin’s words00:31:41
that her death brought more harm to Russia00:31:44
even than her publications mean at this00:31:47
moment Oleg Orlov Oleg Petrovich Orlov00:31:49
gets up and leaves because he cannot00:31:51
consider it impossible for himself00:32:02
if he doesn’t leave, it means he agrees That’s00:32:06
all he gets up and leaves the number of people00:32:08
who got up and left Kovalev even under00:32:12
Yeltsin Sergei Adamovich00:32:38
it is clear through moral ones Yes,00:32:41
these are the moral categories moral00:32:43
categories And where are the red ones00:32:46
Nabiullina's line, what else should Putin do?00:32:48
What else was there? What Mariupol is missing?00:33:05
then00:33:06
you said a very important thing, of course, so00:33:09
to speak Well,00:33:10
we know the transformation from Saul Paul Yes,00:33:15
this happens, but still not very much00:33:17
now,00:33:19
I don’t know Who you were talking about who00:33:22
became like that and came out loud, but I’m talking about the00:33:25
regional example in Bashkiria where I’m from there00:33:27
was a certain Rostislav Murzagulov00:33:29
who worked, so to speak, for many years for00:33:32
this government, he was actually the right00:33:35
hand of the head of the republic there, and00:33:37
after February 24 he emigrated and he was00:33:40
even recently recognized as a foreign00:33:41
agent. By the way, at his request, yes, he00:33:43
even filed a lawsuit now00:33:52
they are on at different levels, including00:33:54
certainly at the bureaucratic level so that you00:33:57
have to forget his past, cross out00:33:59
but just close your eyes to the fact that there is00:34:01
nothing history is the way it is, history is the00:34:05
way it is, and everyone has their own bag.00:34:08
I just don’t understand00:34:10
in the end that we close our eyes or no no you00:34:13
have to close your eyes but the assessment Well, the00:34:15
total assessment changes Of course, but00:34:18
nothing no nothing disappears matt00:34:21
Cleo everything is written down Yes all the moves are written down00:34:24
Oh my God Well Kasyanov was in00:34:28
Putin’s government and so on there is00:34:31
nothing the whole story is as it is Let00:34:35
Medinsky rewrite the rest00:34:36
Let them teach as they are and00:34:40
nothing is crossed out. But of course, this is00:34:42
very important for me, this is a very important00:34:45
section, a very important watershed in the attitude00:34:49
towards this war and honor and praise to the person00:34:51
who acted this way and not otherwise, and this00:34:55
again comes to the question, look, he00:34:58
acted this way alone, that’s why it didn’t become00:35:01
the norm, it didn’t affect politics, it did00:35:04
n’t change politics, not even00:35:07
in your republic, yes not if there were00:35:11
such people, if there were a critical00:35:15
number, if tens of hundreds stood up,00:35:18
if those people in Putin’s government00:35:21
who, deep down in their hearts, don’t want war and00:35:25
understand its disastrousness and that’s about00:35:26
all that’s about all but you remember the Security Council00:35:31
You remember this paralyzed herd00:35:36
on the one hand it looked more than00:35:39
strange but on the other hand we don’t know00:35:41
what’s in their heads so that’s why he00:35:43
claims that all this is of course00:35:48
but at least outside of00:35:50
Bortnikov, Patrushev Naryshkin00:35:53
tried to moo and so on, for example, the00:35:57
vast majority understood that this was a00:36:00
disaster, but the norms were already such that it was00:36:03
impossible.00:36:11
All the people who could say that they would00:36:15
not come close to him, one00:36:17
who put it a certain Boris00:36:19
Nemtsov Yes, he is for these words towels00:36:22
life and now there’s no one Even there’s00:36:25
no one to really grunt, so if00:36:29
the number of people who got up and left became00:36:32
critical for the Administration, it could00:36:36
activate some political00:36:39
processes, but we see that by this time00:36:41
it was already a bedsore, there were no00:36:45
living tissues left This is a bedsore from a00:36:48
bedsore waiting for blood circulation, it’s not worth it to wait for a00:36:50
bedsore that00:36:53
was organized for 15-20,00:36:55
but by the way, there is also a very important question00:36:58
that concerns responsibility. The fact is00:37:00
that the court recently sentenced00:37:03
former senator Rauf Rashukov to00:37:06
life imprisonment on charges of00:37:07
organizing two murders and lawyer00:37:10
Stavitskaya, who defended his father,00:37:13
reported violations, for example, about00:37:15
pressure on the jury, and so on. And so00:37:17
she says that it is necessary to Protect not only the00:37:20
right people. Yes, we must protect00:37:23
everyone. Everyone is equal before the law and everyone00:37:26
deserves fair justice, and00:37:29
you know, and some Well-00:37:32
known journalists objected to her, including00:37:34
objecting, and this is what they say, for example:00:37:36
no human rights for enemies of human rights. It00:37:39
seems to me that we are just running in circles with00:37:42
this and that with such a position, it00:37:44
seems to me in almost every00:37:47
program, I quote00:37:55
because the key is always in the monkey's hand00:37:57
and therefore it is impossible to open the cage and a00:38:00
person can deceive the key, but at00:38:03
that moment he becomes a monkey and00:38:05
also cannot and cannot open this00:38:07
cage, that's what you described, that's exactly the00:38:10
cage as soon as it's Stavitsky's00:38:14
man so she didn’t turn into00:38:16
monkeys And as soon as a person says00:38:19
that for for not ours for Ah, he’s a scoundrel00:38:23
for him, he doesn’t need justice, he00:38:26
becomes a monkey at that moment, how are00:38:28
you different then that’s the point,00:38:31
Anna Stavitskaya, we’re talking about the whole entire00:38:35
program We return to the topic of the norm.00:38:37
Here she is a person of the norm. The norm is00:38:40
that the accusation must be proven;00:38:44
maybe he is a murderer. I don’t know, it’s quite00:38:46
possible, but the accusation must be00:38:48
Proven. And if it is not proven, then00:38:52
doubts are interpreted in favor of the00:38:53
suspect, period. And he should be00:38:56
released. If I see a00:38:59
jury table, it means00:39:03
the verdict cannot be blamed, I see00:39:06
quite a lot of negatives in the chat, and00:39:09
also in the comments under similar00:39:11
posts, people wrote that Well,00:39:13
how about these people? They created this00:39:16
judicial system that is to the right - to the left,00:39:18
these negotiations are carried out and people are00:39:21
sent to prison for 8.5 years for words, how00:39:23
can we spare these people? Yes, what do you mean00:39:25
by their own judicial system?00:39:28
Please explain why this is not00:39:30
so in your opinion Why Because the00:39:32
word is mercy because that the word mercy00:39:35
refers to the guilty,00:39:37
you can visit or not spare And the guilt00:39:40
must be proven by that00:39:44
I hope that we yes I hope that after all the00:39:47
majority of those who listen to me We00:39:49
differ in that I think I hope not our00:39:53
relations with00:39:54
Nemtsov and Putin there we will admit But We00:39:59
all- we are distinguished by00:40:00
respect for human rights, let’s accept the00:40:04
law because the system needs to be changed, the00:40:06
system needs to be changed and not the use of what00:40:10
they chopped up the whites before the whites came chopped up the00:40:14
colors the reds came chopped up the whites but00:40:17
this is not a change justice is also00:40:19
justice this is the same justice00:40:22
means Something can be changed only00:40:24
in the way she Stavitskaya further begins00:40:27
emotional00:40:29
emotional things that I understand very well,00:40:32
well, let’s say you00:40:34
can’t demand from today’s00:40:36
Ukrainians00:40:37
from contemporaries of Mariupol or00:40:40
survivors of Mariupol you can’t00:40:44
say respect for the judicial00:40:47
procedures over Putin emotionally00:40:49
very clearly understand that I00:40:52
will that I will experience complex00:40:54
feelings if someday But this is a dream,00:40:56
Vladimir Vladimirovich will be in the dock00:40:59
and there will be a very good lawyer00:41:02
who will over and over again break down00:41:04
insufficient evidence in the event of00:41:06
incidental evidence there will be enough00:41:08
but let’s say some Monday00:41:10
I will feel annoyed Of course,00:41:13
humanly Because nothing00:41:16
human doesn’t feel the desire for revenge,00:41:18
this is a human feeling, of course, but it does00:41:21
n’t work like that, the system doesn’t change like that,00:41:24
another system doesn’t build, and that’s the point, the point is that00:41:28
criminals must be convicted for their00:41:31
crime, they are because they are generally00:41:33
bad, that’s what they are generally bad You00:41:36
will not drink tea at all and be friends with00:41:38
them and you will punish the terrible ones by refusing a00:41:40
handshake for the fact that they are bad and00:41:43
can be imprisoned for a crime they00:41:45
must be proven by relative00:41:48
luck the crime of these this gang there is00:41:52
such Yes,00:41:54
all the tables will collapse under the weight of these volumes00:41:57
there’s a lot of everything there, if we00:42:00
ever live to see our00:42:04
analogue process, it will be00:42:07
very interesting, very interesting, among00:42:09
other things, indicatively in the00:42:15
chat they ask What to do with those who00:42:18
sincerely, perhaps sincerely, support the00:42:20
policies of the Russian authorities today, but00:42:23
at the same time they themselves somehow influence what00:42:26
they do was not influenced more precisely Yes, that’s what to00:42:29
do with them, how to00:42:33
act, this is a man with his deplorable00:42:37
beliefs Well, let him live Let his00:42:41
children be ashamed of him00:42:42
That’s all What to do with him Why No00:42:46
quantity Forgive us, we have an unplowed00:42:49
field half of the State Duma00:42:52
there is not one person who could not be00:42:55
imprisoned for some serious article of00:42:57
the Criminal Code plus several00:42:58
patented murderers in both houses of00:43:01
parliament plus00:43:06
the killer is just a person who fought00:43:10
several wars At the head of the state No00:43:12
there is no need to invent anything with these00:43:14
people But with those who who liked it00:43:17
But may God grant them long,00:43:20
good health Let them live, maybe00:43:22
someday they will feel ashamed By the way, it’s [ __ ]00:43:24
and you can help, but help is very harsh according to the00:43:27
German model,00:43:29
well, how did they take these00:43:34
burghers to be buried for reburial?00:43:37
There are photos, google how it stands00:43:40
So quiet a German burger is clearly not00:43:42
Soviets, clearly some quiet man is standing00:43:45
and holding in his hands,00:43:46
which means the excavated earth is the remains of the00:43:49
boys00:43:56
killed by Hitler, and here a man is standing,00:43:59
thinking something like that to himself, at that moment00:44:03
he voted for him. So he got the00:44:06
result in his own hands, only Yes, this is00:44:09
how national00:44:12
re-education takes place, in our case this00:44:13
will not happen, unfortunately, because there is no one to00:44:16
defeat us. Sorry, and we must00:44:19
somehow launch this moral process00:44:21
ourselves,00:44:22
I don’t really understand the mechanism yet. Yes,00:44:26
how can this be launched? This process00:44:29
will be much more difficult than the Germans00:44:33
Because the Germans were helped by the Americans00:44:35
who forced them to follow this path, there is no one to00:44:39
force us, we ourselves must00:44:41
somehow say it again, so let them00:44:45
not teach a person for whom there is nothing to00:44:48
judge, he shouldn’t be judged, he should be given the00:44:50
opportunity00:44:51
to learn it, well, I’m sorry, I didn’t not a Guru or a00:44:55
Pope, this has already crossed over into00:44:56
the categories, but we need to give this opportunity00:45:05
if they show on TV a00:45:08
film made by the society, a memorial about two00:45:13
Chechen wars00:45:14
to show what we did with Chechnya,00:45:17
we are all with our silence and our00:45:21
support for Putin and I was the first Chechen to00:45:24
become simply more Chechen blood00:45:26
than in the second, but it’s just that they did00:45:29
n’t even bring prisoners to filtration00:45:32
camps; in the second, they brought to00:45:34
filtration camps, so there were a00:45:36
lot of these murders, but in the first, they weren’t00:45:39
just put on the spot. Yes, that’s00:45:42
when vacuum bombs were thrown at thunderstorms;00:45:45
when will we see everything country for00:45:48
40 hours, such a film,00:45:50
then let this person watch00:45:53
this film, he doesn’t need to judge, he will00:45:55
judge himself And who won’t judge Well,00:45:57
cut off piece,00:46:00
here is one of the latest cases in00:46:02
Dolgoprudny near Moscow, an elderly00:46:04
passenger was thrown out of the bus,00:46:06
there is such a terrible video and for critics00:46:09
Russian army, but she’s even there,00:46:11
you know, so Yara didn’t criticize a couple of phrases,00:46:13
said loudly, uh, the bus00:46:15
stops, they grab her and straight out00:46:17
drag her across the dirty floor and throw her out into the00:46:20
street.00:46:21
Also, by the way, the residents of Yaroslavl here are00:46:25
dissatisfied, dissatisfied with the allocation of00:46:27
free housing in the region to families from00:46:29
Kherson00:46:30
very incomprehensible public mood00:46:33
On the one hand, we are ready to00:46:36
throw an elderly woman out of the bus00:46:37
because she criticizes the Russian army,00:46:39
and on the other hand, people come from00:46:42
Kherson of the same thing who, as Moscow00:46:45
has said, are now a Russian city and the people00:46:47
are happy. That’s why they don’t extradite us00:46:49
They give them apartments on some00:46:51
special basis or something to somehow understand00:47:00
the paradox, it’s like everything, absolutely a00:47:03
woman is thrown out of a bus, this is the00:47:06
aggression of the Stockholm syndrome. She00:47:09
says, she said that somewhere00:47:12
inside there may be severe irritation00:47:15
when when someone begins to say00:47:18
what you would like to say but are afraid of00:47:21
severe irritation with this person,00:47:23
this is Stoke's syndrome and this is already00:47:26
nervous, of course this is such a00:47:31
neurosis, so pure, this is00:47:33
throwing away they are not able to hear it,00:47:35
they are afraid to hear it, they do not00:47:38
want to hear it and there is nothing to object to00:47:41
if they could object but object00:47:44
but object, then apparently there is nothing special00:47:46
inside Yes, this00:47:49
untreated Stockholm syndrome is not00:47:51
supported and as for the story from00:47:54
Yaroslavl in Kherson, this is00:47:56
amazing this is funny this is funny and00:48:00
Exactly That’s all the support That’s all the00:48:02
unity of the Russian people to00:48:04
to the conversation about ideology Yes, there is no00:48:07
dialogue and all the support for the residents of Kherson00:48:09
ends with the fact that you will be pushed back00:48:12
two steps in the queue for housing, this is where00:48:15
all patriotism ends,00:48:17
all this ends instantly with a00:48:19
grasping reflex, a very00:48:21
indicative thing where there is00:48:25
ideology, really, where there00:48:28
really is a feeling of kinship00:48:32
and where there is an00:48:34
inner Well, I remember Yes, there is00:48:37
the classic Tashkent Yes of war times and00:48:41
Uzbekistan, which received millions00:48:43
millions from the Russian regions00:48:48
and legendary to legendary sympathy,00:48:51
legendary hospitality But it was00:48:54
not only Eastern hospitality, it00:48:56
was still a feeling of a single country00:48:59
and fair wars in which we all and00:49:02
in which we all must support00:49:04
each other were also different people00:49:06
Of course but nevertheless it was00:49:09
today00:49:11
what ideology should I give me an00:49:14
apartment Suddenly they push me away in00:49:16
line And what will help me remain a00:49:19
person in this situation there is no00:49:22
ideology ideology they are all rotten like a00:49:25
fairy tale in Gorky's play At the bottom there are00:49:27
rotten threads all this is only for the Ostankino TV channel00:49:33
as for the CIS countries, I don’t know how to00:49:38
perceive this, Russian President00:49:39
Vladimir Putin gave the participants of the00:49:41
informal summit of the CIS countries in00:49:43
St. Petersburg the Commonwealth 9 about00:49:46
nine rings00:49:48
resemble the00:49:52
rings of00:49:59
people's power,00:50:03
at the same time we see that in Kazakhstan00:50:06
such sentiments are part of the population, some of the residents see00:50:10
a threat in Russia, including from the00:50:12
statements of propagandists and00:50:13
functionists, indeed, as a00:50:15
journalist, I have to watch the broadcasts of00:50:17
state-owned state00:50:18
television and00:50:19
you know such ideas are really expressed there what does00:50:23
Kazakhstan mean, it could be00:50:24
next Look at Kazakhstan00:50:30
we are walking in circles The Empire is going in circles so to00:50:34
speak imperial phantom pain they are00:50:38
induced delirium I have already used00:50:40
this term induced delirium they00:50:42
have infected each other and in a circle they already00:50:44
believe in their own Propaganda this is an00:50:47
imperial cut off leg of an imperial00:50:51
listen, the00:50:53
whole Russian army is now resisting with all its might,00:50:57
so to speak, Ukraine’s attempts to00:51:00
regain its territory, how is it00:51:02
advancing, we are talking about who to take and00:51:04
Kiev, which Kazakhstan, what will they00:51:07
do there, yes, but we can talk, let’s00:51:12
talk, we can talk in Ostankino,00:51:14
it’s a safe thing, only00:51:17
the army the war is also over, no,00:51:20
we are no longer waging a war with Ukraine, the00:51:22
Russian state continues00:51:25
Terrorism, this is a terrorist state00:51:27
that simply shells a civilian00:51:30
object and does not allow them to live; it simply00:51:33
turns the lives of civilians into hell; there00:51:36
is no war anymore;00:51:39
Ukraine is waging a war;00:51:42
territories captured by Russia Russia is00:51:45
frantically fighting back00:51:48
and is busy only with forcing00:51:51
Ukraine to stop, forcing00:51:54
negotiations00:51:55
will be forced with the help of this terror, that00:51:59
’s why00:52:01
all the talk about Kazakhstan It’s not00:52:04
harmful to dream, you can hallucinate, you can00:52:06
also read about the countries, I’m00:52:12
repeating it all, the cut off leg00:52:14
hurts, phantom pain,00:52:20
okay let’s move on besides, the other00:52:23
day there were also searches in several00:52:26
regions of Russia of politicians and00:52:28
journalists, in particular MSU associate professor00:52:31
Mikhail Lobanov, he was arrested for 1500:52:33
days on charges of disobedience to00:52:35
police officers.00:52:39
the case00:52:42
against the former State Duma deputy00:52:44
Ponomarev is not. According to Lobanov,00:52:47
he was beaten during a search and you know MSU is a00:52:50
famous scientist. And so far we00:52:53
have not seen the reaction of MSU, whether it will be a rather00:52:56
rhetorical question. But such cases do00:53:00
you think lead to an increase in protest00:53:02
sentiments among academic00:53:04
university teachers students in some kind of dissatisfaction,00:53:07
even hidden or to even greater00:53:10
humility in our conditions or does00:53:12
not lead to anything at all No, they lead to00:53:15
dissatisfaction but internal because00:53:16
no mechanisms00:53:19
can be declared the most shameful and it is00:53:23
impossible to declare a protest MSU00:53:25
remember Professor Preobrazhensky on the00:53:28
proposal Bormental leave water00:53:31
leave on his world name he tells00:53:33
him I am a Moscow student proudly00:53:35
says Preobrazhensky I am a Moscow00:53:37
student and you are offering me meanness Yes, here’s00:53:40
to the question of corporate rules00:53:43
about corporate ethics How dare you, a00:53:47
Moscow student, a professor or a marine there,00:53:51
offer meanness offer meanness00:53:54
But they are silent in a rag. And the leadership00:53:57
there that everyone considers Lobanov a00:54:00
criminal. No one sympathizes with the fact00:54:03
that he was beaten. It’s00:54:05
just that the Stockholm syndrome00:54:07
has sewn up their mouths on a massive scale, and of course they00:54:09
correctly said a massive increase in00:54:12
protest sentiments within everyone, a00:54:14
huge number of people experience00:54:16
protest within themselves, but only a few00:54:20
I think they will allow themselves to speak out even on00:54:23
Facebook. What kind of corporate00:54:25
statement is out of the question today? This comes00:54:28
to the question from the point of degradation00:54:30
and it’s no longer the power structures with them everything00:54:33
is clear, not that the scumbags have taken over the authorities and00:54:36
are beating up decent people, they’re just beating up, and00:54:38
they’re doing what they want00:54:40
that's cool Yes, this one got power00:54:44
Well, Prigozhin and Kadyrov are the elite What do we want00:54:47
from, strictly speaking, from those who are00:54:50
searching Yes Viktor Anatolyevich, the broadcast is00:54:53
coming to an end and you have already been asked many times in the00:54:55
chat for00:54:57
some kind of forecast for 2023, it is clear that00:55:01
there is very00:55:04
little I don’t have a political scientist, at00:55:07
some point something will happen and00:55:10
I’m not a professor, so00:55:14
nothing good will happen yet It can’t be good00:55:17
and the degree of tragedy the speed of00:55:20
the fall I don’t know the plane at what moment00:55:24
where the Earth is00:55:27
I don’t know what moment yes it is will be [ __ ] up00:55:30
and scattered, I can’t know, unfortunately,00:55:33
resources for the war are said to be available for a couple of years,00:55:36
Putin has it, it will00:55:38
be ’23. This is a continuation of degradation00:55:42
and this, of course, is tightening the screws,00:55:45
tightening domestic policy, that00:55:48
is, if you are inside politics, it’s just00:55:49
terror against everything that moves, it00:55:52
will be increasingly difficult to remain in Russia To be a00:55:54
decent person00:55:56
Yes, of course there can be no such politics of speech; it’s00:55:58
only a question of00:56:00
self-preservation for people who00:56:03
intend to stay in Russia and00:56:06
somehow not get dirty and at the00:56:09
same time not repeat the fate of Lobanov,00:56:13
it will be increasingly difficult, this is understandable. The00:56:17
fifth column is the fight against the fifth column00:56:19
the fight against everything that moves the main00:56:22
agenda of domestic politics from the outside00:56:23
the way to the bottom the agenda war and forced00:56:27
negotiations00:56:28
Unfortunately we have missed all the forks And00:56:31
then what will that banana00:56:33
peel look like on which all this will slip00:56:36
and come back I can’t know I can00:56:38
only wish that this happened in00:56:41
23 with all the dramatic consequences of00:56:44
this experiment00:56:47
and again a question from the chat while we00:56:49
have time about immigration, many00:56:53
young people today really face00:56:54
such a difficult, mitigating choice00:56:57
to leave but leave the country to someone, this is the00:57:00
opinion I heard or stay, to put it mildly00:57:03
in uncomfortable conditions, what would you00:57:06
choose if you were today’s00:57:08
student00:57:09
[music]00:57:10
I can’t Sitting in Warsaw tell a00:57:15
Russian student to stay and fight,00:57:18
come out Yes, I protest, I don’t have any00:57:26
It’s just a personal choice of each person,00:57:28
each person makes this choice00:57:32
based on their own the circumstances00:57:37
of his goal-setting, his idea00:57:39
of his purpose and someone like00:57:41
Kara-Murza goes to prison and00:57:44
says to the senseless Volodya what are you doing? I said00:57:47
yes, but it’s senseless, it’s senseless in the00:57:51
sense that00:57:52
he will, he will do what he considers00:57:55
right for himself, just as00:57:57
right who - he got up and left, this is also00:58:00
correct, but for him these are personal00:58:02
choices based on your capabilities,00:58:04
your ideas about your life,00:58:06
no advice except one,00:58:09
listen to yourself, presence to yourself,00:58:11
there is no shame in leaving.00:58:14
So I can say that this position is00:58:17
a little twisted as It seems to me that00:58:20
we have already given up the country, so let00:58:25
you sit in Khimki Khovrin or in Prague00:58:28
No, we gave it up If you are ready00:58:31
to sacrifice your life00:58:34
just like that, go out and go to the camp with the00:58:38
word war.00:58:40
I can only bow, look for00:58:44
words of respect, but no one may00:58:46
offend you to do this I don’t think it’s00:58:48
right to call for this maybe it’s00:58:52
right00:58:54
self-preservation00:58:55
self-preservation and work for the future I don’t know00:58:58
for each his own for each his own00:59:00
no general advice other than wishes for00:59:02
general health cheerfulness00:59:06
wisdom patience Oddly enough, a sense of00:59:10
humor because the worst thing is the00:59:14
greatest gift What00:59:15
we can do to Putin and the company is to fall into00:59:17
despair and tear up our rags and00:59:20
say that everything is bad and we are crying and it’s00:59:23
all over. This is a great gift,00:59:26
thank you.00:59:29
Writer Viktor Shenderovich was very personally yours today.00:59:31
My name is Aidara Akhmadiev and there’s a00:59:33
live nail on the air And the echo continues the00:59:35
program in a few minutes listen to00:59:38
Special Opinion with Nikolai Svanidze00:59:40
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