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I00:00:05
just looked through him and walked00:00:11
past because for me he is already like a00:00:16
colleague or a person with whom I have00:00:24
maintained business relationships for a long time,00:00:27
even such normal00:00:30
human relations did not exist, the00:00:36
very fact did not exist for sending the choice of this person00:00:40
or any other, it was all a00:00:42
responsible initiative my juice and00:00:44
Dmitry Chekushkin to you, the two of00:00:45
us reported all this, received a00:00:48
sanction for this and therefore we bear full00:00:51
responsibility for everything that happened, these00:00:54
people adhere mainly to00:00:57
accusatory versions, we will try to00:01:00
look for arguments to defend a different point00:01:03
of view, to defend the person about whom we are00:01:07
talking, hello, can I ask00:01:09
Vitaly Sergeich and this is a call on00:01:14
television journalist Yuri Krause question00:01:18
I would like to talk to him if you can00:01:22
now don’t want to be around00:01:27
what time00:01:31
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thank you00:01:37
[music]00:01:40
I was warned that it00:01:43
would be very difficult to get through on this phone00:01:48
[music]00:01:55
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[music] On00:02:40
August 1, 1985, the00:02:45
Soviet intelligence officer Vitaly00:02:48
Yurchenko, who00:02:50
arrived here under diplomatic00:02:53
cover, disappeared in Rome,00:02:56
the first day has passed, the second day all00:03:00
our appeals to the Italian authorities have not00:03:02
yielded any results yet, they00:03:05
searched in the waters of the Tiber, searched through the back streets00:03:14
where my god, become accidental a victim of their00:03:17
criminal elements,00:03:18
none of this happened00:03:22
[music]00:03:30
I was very alarmed by messages00:03:34
from the station at the time that the00:03:37
last two citizens of our Soviets00:03:39
who saw him00:03:40
leaving our embassy and00:03:42
moving towards the city to which he00:03:45
gave different answers to one who00:03:48
was passing in a car and offered his00:03:51
help and transport on Twitter, come on, I’m talking about food, you’re going00:03:54
somewhere, he’s proud, so00:03:57
I’m going now to buy gifts for my00:03:58
relatives in Moscow, a00:04:00
natural answer, but he refused00:04:02
transport services and help, literally a00:04:05
few minutes later, our second car was passing by,00:04:07
it’s the same Vitaly said where00:04:11
are you going, maybe you need help from the00:04:12
usual practice of our people, he said00:04:15
that he was going to see the Vatican Museum and00:04:17
also refused help and accompaniment,00:04:20
and when these two facts immediately fell on the00:04:23
table, how could a person do this00:04:27
with almost a minimum time gap give00:04:30
different answers00:04:31
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to this question we wanted to get an answer00:04:38
q from Vitaly Yurchenko himself, but his phone number was00:04:53
silent; the figure of00:05:01
Yurchenko itself did not inspire us with any00:05:03
absolutely fears; in the past, he was a00:05:06
submariner officer, then he became a00:05:08
special officer in the military, that is, so to speak,00:05:12
preparation for his formation as the person00:05:14
as an officer00:05:15
seemed to have passed in the most severe00:05:17
naval conditions, he made a very good impression on us; he was00:05:24
well-maintained in00:05:28
his structure; he related to the training of those who00:05:31
were striving; it means that he accepted00:05:36
everything that we suggested to him,00:05:38
recommended, advised,00:05:41
gave him some materials to00:05:43
familiarize himself with, with great interest and00:05:45
attention, he was engaged in all this so00:05:52
we could not express any complaints about his address00:06:02
[music] it00:06:11
was not possible to find traces of Colonel Yurchenko in Rome00:06:21
they were found in another place00:06:24
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according to the information appeared on September 2500:06:43
when American newspapers published a00:06:47
report that a00:06:52
high-ranking Soviet official was in the USA00:06:55
foreign intelligence and share with the00:06:57
American intelligence services their00:06:59
encyclopedic knowledge about the work of00:07:04
Soviet intelligence and named Yurchenko’s last name,00:07:12
and when Yurchenko ended up in the United00:07:15
States and then the00:07:18
Americans began to feel it was unnecessary to plant00:07:21
materials about him00:07:24
being in their power, where he is,00:07:28
messages appeared00:07:31
and then more and more and more00:07:34
promotion came from the Americans,00:07:35
we of course realized that we were talking about the most00:07:39
difficult case in general in the practice of00:07:41
intelligence work and treacherously, there was still a00:07:45
person who refused to live00:07:47
without this, the head of Soviet intelligence was the00:07:51
chairman of the KGB, Vladimir Kryovov,00:07:54
hello Vladimir value think about it00:07:58
night this is television journalist Yuri00:08:00
Krause00:08:01
you promised to take part in our00:08:03
film think about it yes yes yes Yurchenko00:08:13
Kryuchov’s opinion was very important for us00:08:19
and we decided to turn to the book of his00:08:22
memoirs,00:08:25
analyze the information we had about00:08:28
Yurchenko, and summarized the opinions of his colleagues about him00:08:32
to zero the likelihood of a trivial00:08:34
betrayal, but why did Krykov00:08:38
refuse to repeat this drink or footage00:08:41
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maybe he changed his mind and suddenly00:08:47
one day almost three months had passed00:08:51
since his disappearance when we had already00:08:52
lost all natural hope00:08:55
that we would get a reliable average00:08:58
what is there happens, in any case, from00:09:01
Yurchenko himself,00:09:02
we received a telephone call at the00:09:04
station from him personally when he00:09:07
said that in two hours he could00:09:09
appear at the embassy and00:09:15
Yurchenko’s call caused a commotion00:09:18
cherry lecturers the time indeed00:09:20
Yurchenko appeared at the embassy of course00:09:25
here we had all a hundred questions it’s just that00:09:28
if the Americans didn’t want to00:09:29
release him, of course, they might not have00:09:32
released him because, in fact, she00:09:34
was under the protection of external00:09:37
surveillance and the embassy of labor seized him on the way00:09:40
was not the pills00:09:44
that he gave us00:09:45
right away, saying that these were00:09:49
medications to weaken00:09:51
the will, to encourage him to give in an00:09:54
unconscious state some00:09:56
testimony turned out to be tested with00:09:59
simple pills like aspirin,00:10:01
their content could not in any way influence the00:10:03
human psyche, we were absolutely00:10:06
unambiguous and we were absolutely convinced, and now it has00:10:09
not been shaken by me, that Americans did not use any00:10:12
unauthorized means of such00:10:15
medical influence00:10:17
were used in this case, moreover,00:10:21
the workers noticed that he00:10:24
had money with him, you know, our00:10:27
salary for an intelligence officer00:10:29
was always very modest under the Soviet regime,00:10:32
our daily allowance did not exceed00:10:34
18-19 and dollars for everything we barely had enough00:10:37
for food,00:10:38
he came having00:10:41
several thousand dollars in my pocket,00:10:44
nevertheless, it was decided to hold a00:10:46
press conference for me and Yurchenko00:10:49
told me that he was kidnapped in Italy and under the00:10:52
narcotic influence of Hazel USA,00:10:55
I appealed in vain to their conscience, he stated that he00:10:58
currently has a lot of documentary00:11:02
data that is simply completely00:11:06
they refute this tale, the legend that the00:11:12
kidnapping took place in broad daylight on the00:11:16
Roman square, the Vatican Museums00:11:19
on the steps of St. Peter's Basilica i00:11:25
totally mom knew something wet in the face,00:11:28
or00:11:29
they hit the head with something heavy, after00:11:32
which Yushchenko lost consciousness and woke up00:11:36
before ocean when such things are said by a00:11:43
professional, they simply sound with the00:11:45
girl above all others who knows how00:11:49
it does it, how it happens00:11:52
or how it doesn’t happen,00:11:58
however, the hooks of their books to00:12:02
evaluate these events differently, the stories from00:12:06
Yurchenko are set out in his interpretation, in00:12:09
particular about the circumstances of his00:12:11
movement from Italy in the USA, in general,00:12:14
coincides with the data that00:12:17
we received through other channels, what are these00:12:22
other channels, we once again00:12:25
tried to contact the hook to00:12:28
get an answer to this question, the phone was00:12:42
silent like in the eighty-fifth year when00:12:48
these events of this unfolded00:12:50
episode from Soviet foreign intelligence00:12:55
went over to the side in Prague00:12:59
went over in the literal sense of the word physically00:13:04
or began to cooperate secret00:13:08
with the enemy somewhere around a dozen00:13:14
intelligence officers of different levels from00:13:17
different units00:13:21
Leonid Polishchuk agent way Soviet00:13:24
intelligence officer who00:13:25
worked in Nigeria Valery Martynov00:13:29
agent gentoo Soviet intelligence officer00:13:36
Vladimir Kuzichkin, who worked in the USA, Soviet intelligence officer,00:13:40
who worked in Iran, Stanislav Lifting,00:13:46
Soviet intelligence officer,00:13:48
who worked in the field, Oleg Gordievsky, agent,00:13:54
title, Soviet intelligence officer,00:13:56
who worked in Great Britain, I think that it00:13:59
is obvious what the leaders of Soviet foreign intelligence had to experience during00:14:02
this period,00:14:04
apparently someone00:14:07
came up with such a very savvy idea.00:14:13
no matter how to refute the00:14:17
version of the kidnapping skirt at the moment00:14:22
and use it as an active world during00:14:27
active measures to discredit and00:14:29
compromise the American intelligence services,00:14:32
it was a powerful propaganda blow, a00:14:35
powerful one from which the Americans00:14:37
could not come to their senses for a very long time; after00:14:39
all, they also cannot refute00:14:42
what Yurchenko said00:14:43
because that the intelligence service of the United States,00:14:47
its head, the president,00:14:49
not all to say, was00:14:50
about to meet Gorbachev with Reagan00:14:54
then their first meeting in his wife00:15:02
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and for us the factor of Yurchenko’s return turned00:15:22
out to be in this case a very convenient00:15:25
powerful argument that could be00:15:28
put on the table in front of Reagan00:15:30
regarding the methods they00:15:33
used during the Cold War in00:15:35
relation to Soviet citizens, in00:15:37
particular in relation to the00:15:39
intelligence officer and hospitals,00:15:45
this operation was planned, Yurchenko’s departure, his00:15:47
return, I completely exclude this version00:15:50
since00:15:54
I have been an operative for almost a quarter of a00:15:58
century dealing with Rican images and00:16:00
intelligence services and to some extent I00:16:04
can imagine the goals that were set00:16:07
about impulses and not our various operations,00:16:09
I exclude such a situation because she did00:16:16
not prepare with someone from the outside, the initiator of00:16:20
sending Yurchenko abroad was me and you00:16:23
know that there was no cooperation, well, of course,00:16:25
if the chief of intelligence would give me such an order00:16:28
for the leadership of the KGB,00:16:30
send Yurchenko to such and such an operation,00:16:33
do this and that, everything that was00:16:35
written down in Yurchenko’s work plan, the very00:16:38
fact of his link, the choice of this person00:16:41
or any other, that was all00:16:43
initiative, responsibility is mine00:16:45
and Dmitry Vonhi's kushki on, the two of us00:16:48
reported all this, received approval for this00:16:51
and therefore we bear full responsibility00:16:52
for everything that happened,00:16:59
maybe Yurchenko will answer this00:17:03
question differently and again there is no answer the00:17:19
main characters in this story00:17:22
are three people, this is the00:17:26
skirt itself this is Hookov and00:17:29
this is Ames, I think that he is already well known and00:17:33
everyone knows who he is, this is a former employee of the00:17:37
Central Intelligence00:17:38
Agency who collaborated00:17:43
voluntarily with our intelligence mc was00:17:47
arrested in 1994 he is serving a00:17:52
life sentence00:17:53
his wife was sentenced to 5 years00:17:56
if everything is up to the failure of Keynes00:18:00
one could guess Yurchenko’s 100 rights00:18:05
and whether his legend has a basis00:18:07
or not, then after00:18:10
games accordingly did, he told about00:18:15
how it all happened, then this00:18:18
question was removed from00:18:21
the books by Peter whether the confession of a spy00:18:27
Yurchenko’s arrival in Washington is described00:18:30
like this the day before Ames got drunk to the point of00:18:33
unconsciousness00:18:34
because he was terribly afraid that when00:18:37
Yurchenko stepped onto the plane, they would theatrically00:18:39
point a finger at him and proclaim00:18:41
that you are a mole embedded in the CIA,00:18:46
but this did not happen;00:18:51
another one of the first00:18:54
revelations was a defector, but contained00:18:57
information that the00:18:59
acting president of the KGB in London was00:19:01
recalled to Moscow and was put under00:19:03
house arrest on suspicion of spying00:19:05
for British intelligence00:19:08
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in the following weeks, Yurchenko made00:19:18
a number of sensational statements, he exposed00:19:21
another KGB agent, a00:19:24
former employee of the00:19:26
National Security Agency, ironically,00:19:29
Yurchenko was interrogated precisely by00:19:32
kaiju00:19:35
[music] [applause] the00:19:37
contents of the luggage that Yurchenko00:19:40
dumped, it went to the leadership of the00:19:44
Central Intelligence00:19:45
Agency,00:19:46
and in a copy or there it means a second00:19:51
copy went on the table of the chief of00:19:53
Soviet foreign intelligence, still,00:19:59
despite everything, there is a fact that00:20:03
no one denies Yurchenko returned and00:20:07
he knew what could await him00:20:13
[ music]00:20:24
after his return, I met with00:20:27
Vitaly00:20:28
Yurchenko on the territory of Yasenevo, something00:20:32
happened so that we were walking towards each00:20:35
other and it seemed like he made some kind of00:20:40
movement to say hello or somehow00:20:42
means stopping for a possible00:20:46
conversation or to exchange greetings, I00:20:50
just looked through and passed him by00:20:58
because for me he is already like a colleague00:21:03
or like a person with whom I00:21:10
maintained business for a long time00:21:13
even such normal00:21:15
human relations did not exist00:21:23
in the00:21:30
book Ronaldo's sour escape from the CIA00:21:37
[music] an00:21:40
interesting photograph00:21:42
in an opium restaurant00:21:45
where the cats are in the place where he took Yurchenko the00:21:49
evening of his departure from the guard to the Tsar a00:21:54
memorial plaque reminding of00:21:58
this event00:22:00
[music]00:22:04
and00:22:10
I can admit and to some extent00:22:15
agree with the fact that they did not initiate a00:22:18
criminal case against the little skirt00:22:20
for his misdeeds, but I still00:22:25
can’t understand and come to terms with it with the fact that he00:22:28
was put on a par with those who were00:22:32
awarded the highest award, the00:22:35
honorary state security officer is familiar with00:22:39
those who really risked their lives00:22:42
in the name of their homeland, this is one of the biggest00:22:49
mysteries, I think that it00:22:52
will not be completely solved, mine have already tried to00:22:55
unravel it through many00:22:57
channels we talked to him as a family or with friends00:23:02
and conducted interviews00:23:04
and conducted interrogations and took away friendly contacts and00:23:07
public appearances, the00:23:08
circle was the same all the time, we00:23:11
can only say that00:23:13
Yurchenko himself someday someday00:23:17
this happens sometimes when he wants to say00:23:20
genuine the motives for their actions in one00:23:23
direction or the other, by the way, they live00:23:25
completely contradictory, then maybe they00:23:28
will shed light on something, but it will00:23:30
remain a mystery to me, this is an00:23:33
unsolved mystery in all thirty-three years of00:23:35
work in intelligence00:23:37
[music]00:23:43
finally we managed to get through to Yuri00:23:46
Chaika 900:23:47
Vitaly Sergeich we are making a film about00:23:49
the events of 1985, that’s all that happened to you00:23:52
then and we would really like,00:23:55
of course, for you to take part in this00:23:57
film, please, it’s heartfelt, it’s very00:24:05
important, it’s a very important groove for you, and00:24:16
still we don’t lose hopes that this00:24:20
time will come,00:24:22
even if not us but someone else00:24:25
will add the missing fragments to our film00:24:29
to answer the question we asked00:24:33
[music]00:24:37
only then will it be possible to say exactly00:24:41
who00:24:45
Colonel Yurchenko is00:24:48
[music] [music]00:25:26
[music]00:25:29
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Одна из самых загадочных историй советской разведки. Разведчик Виталий Юрченко бежит на Запад, а потом неожиданно добровольно возвращается в Советский Союз.
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