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Sergio Massa the economist promised to00:05:47
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right to abortion he arrives at the head of a00:05:52
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figures from an investigation by Sarah Brett and00:05:57
Antoine rouget affair Joel guerot00:05:59
statements of the senator in the face of a00:06:01
policewoman taken aback in police custody00:06:03
the elected representative of Loire Atlantique has multiplied00:06:05
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we discover the existence of grandpa cat00:06:26
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colleagues an investigation of abzus and00:06:33
of lucidity of the door conflict00:06:34
Israeli-Palestinian a leaden screed00:06:36
fell on the French university00:06:39
since the Hamas attacks against00:06:40
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looking in particular for00:06:43
Middle East specialists denounce00:06:45
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maintained by the government for all00:06:48
word judged00:06:51
pro-Palestinian a report by Michel00:06:54
Henry murder of Thomas at Twilight it was00:06:57
what is the probability of this happening here?00:06:59
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complex the day wire 24 hostages00:07:17
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Israel 1 hostage provided for in the agreement with00:07:30
Hamas as well as 10 nationals00:07:32
Thai and a Filipino subject of a00:07:34
Connex agreement 39 prisoners00:07:36
Palestinians were released by the state00:07:39
Hebrew and finally an analysis of Fabien00:07:41
Escalona and Ilias Ramdani war00:07:44
Gaza relives the midday of the Muslim vote00:07:46
since October 7, rebellious France00:07:48
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the Minister of Justice criticized00:07:54
Jean-Luc Mélenchon to seek the vote00:07:55
bearded men the resurrection of an old man00:07:57
fantasy of French politics which00:07:59
successively amalgamated the beurs00:08:01
suburbs and00:08:05
Muslims I check do we have00:08:07
missed things in the00:08:11
cat we didn't talk about big bacon00:08:15
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work with Mediapart and your00:08:33
activities also uh finally00:08:35
professionals who are not those of00:08:37
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My name is Sébastien Bumblebee, I am00:08:40
independent journalist uh I work00:08:43
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blow for Mediapart rather finally more00:08:47
left especially for the investigation pole00:08:49
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uh and I worked around two00:08:56
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uh above all on the extreme right00:09:01
activist in France uh and then on00:09:04
more varied subjects with like like00:09:07
guideline to work00:09:10
essentially if not00:09:11
exclusively by doing what we00:09:12
calls from source search00:09:13
open uh or losins for the acronym00:09:17
English sometimes used for for00:09:18
designate this this type of technique uh00:09:21
so that's for my activities00:09:22
journalist from these00:09:24
techniques I work on quite a few00:09:25
I did a lot of research around the00:09:27
question of maintaining order but00:09:28
other things also about the army00:09:29
French political investigations00:09:31
financial and other sometimes we reinforce00:09:33
and often we reinforce00:09:34
other journalists from the editorial staff00:09:37
méiaap or other editorial staff and by00:09:39
of all that I give a lot of training00:09:41
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open source research via00:09:44
different00:09:45
structures very good is that00:09:47
would not be the time to respond to this00:09:49
first question from tererence which was00:09:51
well informed can you please00:09:52
talk about the open facto association of which00:09:54
you V on the vice-presidency then everything00:09:56
done so he is very well informed00:09:59
open facto it's it's an association00:10:01
lo 1901 which was founded at the beginning of00:10:03
the year 2019 and which aims to00:10:05
promote research practice00:10:07
in open source or from losin which is00:10:09
the acronym of Open Source00:10:11
intelligence in00:10:13
France the site is not very very beautiful you00:10:15
can show it but it is in the process of00:10:17
we're doing it again I'm going to do it00:10:18
show n at00:10:20
less and therefore the bulk of the activity00:10:22
of this association it is therefore to00:10:24
do training with finally00:10:27
in with three different audiences00:10:29
or according to three different methods we00:10:31
above all, does training that has00:10:33
often held on weekends which are00:10:34
open to everyone and the public00:10:36
so anyone can register for00:10:38
individual title we intervene through00:10:40
elsewhere quite regularly in in00:10:42
different journalism schools me00:10:45
personal title it's been 4 years in particular00:10:46
that I teach at the journalism school00:10:48
from Sciences Po hence the fact that this evening00:10:50
the show could only start00:10:52
7:30 p.m. I give my last lesson00:10:54
semester to my students00:10:55
uh and finally we also intervene00:10:58
quite regularly in different00:10:59
French editorial staff always around00:11:01
this theme of training in00:11:03
open source research so I have00:11:05
made a good tour of the00:11:07
editorials for several years now00:11:09
years notably that of media part00:11:10
but but many others as well00:11:12
can you explain a little to us00:11:14
in more detail what it consists of00:11:15
investigate open source with a00:11:17
example uh then investigate in source00:11:20
open is the fact of investigating00:11:22
using only information00:11:24
which are freely accessible then00:11:26
once we said that we didn't say00:11:27
much information that is in00:11:28
a free in a book and freely00:11:29
accessible if in Tex delivers seou in00:11:31
library so the idea is00:11:33
to use information that is00:11:34
freely accessible on the Internet00:11:36
freely accessible does not mean00:11:37
easy to find and that's the whole point00:11:38
is to learn to search00:11:39
efficiently or most effectively00:11:41
possible on the Internet uh but we're going00:11:44
have according to the according to the subjects on00:11:46
which we work through C these00:11:48
techniques we will use quite a few00:11:50
different things we can work on00:11:51
a lot on social networks00:11:52
notably on Twitter Instagram according to00:11:54
the themes a lot on telgram00:11:57
also recently in any case me for the00:11:59
the subjects I work on uh00:12:01
but we also work quite a bit00:12:02
regularly from images of00:12:04
photos of demonstration videos if by00:12:06
example need to work on I don't know00:12:07
cases of police violence and well00:12:08
we go00:12:09
potentially recover lots of00:12:11
photos of videos that have been shared on00:12:13
social networks or through00:12:14
journalists or by demonstrators00:12:16
demonstrators or people from00:12:17
witnesses of different scenes we go00:12:20
recover these images collect them00:12:22
authenticate them verify verify00:12:24
that they have what we call00:12:25
geolocated check that they have00:12:26
been filmed or taken where they are00:12:29
supposed to have been taken00:12:30
chronolocate them date check that00:12:32
it's a video that shows this or that00:12:34
such manifestation and not another00:12:36
event that could have taken place00:12:38
same place but which is not the one00:12:39
in which we are interested and in general00:12:41
starting from all that we will try to do00:12:42
reconstructions to work00:12:45
on this was done in particular by00:12:46
different media for example on what00:12:47
happened in Saint Soline on the00:12:48
very serious injury to Serge one of the00:12:51
demonstrators or on many others00:12:53
other matters but here it is00:12:55
using all this information00:12:56
there which are brought by all00:12:58
on the internet but to use them00:13:00
most effective way possible to00:13:02
cross-check all of this to arrive at00:13:05
investigations00:13:08
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ask if Thérence suffers your00:13:12
training and that is why he is00:13:14
it's well taught, I followed this00:13:17
training and it was exciting it's00:13:18
that also made me want to00:13:20
invite you to this show thank you I00:13:23
I don’t know if Thérence I don’t know00:13:24
Idené Tererence so I don't know if I00:13:26
already met him uh he met you00:13:28
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maybe you are wondering exactly00:13:31
since we are talking about training how to00:13:32
pass the training at the IG that this00:13:34
either in journalism schools or00:13:35
directly in the editorial offices uh00:13:37
how does it happen i.e. is it00:13:40
can you clarify your question?00:13:41
Thérence pe-re on the format it's a00:13:44
format is it a short format00:13:45
long then there is b precisely in fact it00:13:47
there are a few different formats there00:13:48
classic format of training that we00:13:50
given via open facto either on weekends00:13:52
either in editorials in general00:13:55
it's training over days uh00:13:57
sometimes three but usually uh00:14:00
afterwards in journalism schools that00:14:01
varies sometimes it's interventions00:14:03
also on days sometimes finally there00:14:05
in this case for the course that I00:14:06
gives sciencep it's a course for00:14:09
M1 students00:14:12
journalism school and for once00:14:13
it's a 2 hour course per week00:14:15
spread over a semester it's roughly00:14:17
modo the same program as what we do00:14:18
in two full days of00:14:20
training but it's just it's00:14:21
cut into in session 2hur uh to be00:14:24
in a more classic rhythm00:14:26
of university between00:14:27
quotes but that was it he clarified00:14:30
it is indeed the format and content00:14:31
and there is Citadel I will build you which00:14:33
wonder if there would be versions00:14:35
filmed is it training00:14:37
which are also accessible in00:14:40
line so no we don't do00:14:42
training online training in particular00:14:43
because a big big part of the00:14:45
training in fact is articulated around00:14:46
of practice finally of practice within00:14:49
of exercise and so in fact it is00:14:50
extremely complicated to give this type00:14:52
training without seeing what the00:14:53
people on their computers especially by00:14:56
example if we work on the00:14:57
geolocation and well I need00:14:59
to see what where the people are on00:15:00
Google Maps where are people on Google00:15:02
Earth if uses satellite imagery00:15:04
or other to be able to guide them and their00:15:06
say whether or not they found the right one00:15:08
place to be able to discuss it's it's00:15:10
very visual often that we work on00:15:11
from image so it is necessary to identify00:15:13
different indices different elements00:15:14
on the images which allows us to attest00:15:15
whether or not the video was good00:15:17
taken at such a place or on such a date and00:15:19
cetera and therefore without seeing the the the the00:15:21
people's screens it's very00:15:22
complicated so no I don't do00:15:24
finally open facto training does not00:15:25
of distance training there are some00:15:27
some that exist that have been00:15:29
recorded in particular at the time of00:15:30
confinement which are accessible in00:15:32
replay for members and members00:15:33
of the association but there is a part00:15:35
to be completely honest which is a00:15:36
little outdated because one of the issues00:15:37
moreover from loszins and in particular all00:15:39
what is happening around networks00:15:40
social well you know it but that's just00:15:41
social networks are frequently put00:15:43
up to date therefore the possibilities00:15:44
techniques and so on evolve and therefore this00:15:46
which was partly possible in 202000:15:48
is no longer possible at present00:15:50
he has the goun who says but is that00:15:51
Facebook is not the best00:15:52
int training uh Facebook ago00:15:56
lots of things to do in Osin on00:15:57
facebook although one of F00:15:58
features that existed ago00:15:59
a few years no longer exists now00:16:01
have been restricted but we find00:16:02
still a lot of information on00:16:03
Facebook it depends a little on the00:16:05
audiences and age categories00:16:06
in particular people to whom00:16:07
you are interested uh siadelle I tell you00:16:10
will build you ask yourself do you00:16:12
know if these methods are also00:16:13
used by the army and00:16:14
information locate a video without00:16:16
be able to be a strategic issue uh00:16:18
so I don't know in great detail00:16:20
because I have never worked nor for00:16:21
the army nor for intelligence but00:16:22
at least from what I know yes00:16:25
clearly it's it's a set of00:16:26
techniques an approach that is used00:16:29
by by the army by the world of00:16:31
information is also increasingly00:16:33
no longer used in any case for what00:16:34
I know in a certain number00:16:37
particularly financial services which00:16:38
work for rock so there is a little00:16:40
the classic example of which we hear00:16:41
often speak it is these people who00:16:43
would track down the swimming pools on the00:16:45
satellite images to know if you00:16:46
you built illegally finally without the00:16:48
declare a swimming pool in your garden00:16:49
to then be able to make you00:16:52
pay taxes that are due on the00:16:55
swimming pool construction but yes00:16:56
it’s a practice that exists00:16:58
in these environments also and00:16:59
which is developing, it’s good that Siad00:17:02
just to build tells us about the army00:17:03
since reading this article00:17:05
evening it's a file on neo-Nazis00:17:08
in the French army a file that you00:17:10
did with the investigation center in00:17:11
particular on this article Justine00:17:13
brabon and Mathieu suck uh so we're going00:17:16
take a pool question and then we00:17:18
will move on to article reading which00:17:19
ask about the swimming pools if there are00:17:21
agree with Google on the00:17:22
recognition of the pool then I00:17:24
I don't know at all if there was an agreement00:17:25
with with Google that said I allow myself00:17:27
just bounce on00:17:28
something that was said by Karim B00:17:30
in the chat about the fact that indeed the00:17:31
FP and the fact checking service there for me00:17:33
seems from the FP more precisely proposes00:17:35
since then I think it will be a year since they00:17:37
put this online some courses00:17:39
freely accessible free of initiation00:17:41
to losins which presents a certain00:17:42
number of techniques I haven't done00:17:44
on an individual basis but I have been told00:17:46
a lot of good so I recommend00:17:47
to go to go and watch this if that pleases you00:17:50
Karim is interested if you ever have the link00:17:51
and you want to pamper Muriel00:17:53
Alba blabla and like that she for the00:17:55
share with everyone in chat00:17:57
on his FP training00:17:59
hop I go to screenshot mode00:18:02
would you like to say a few words to us00:18:04
on the context of this investigation before00:18:06
let's start reading the article00:18:08
yeah absolutely so this investigation in00:18:10
fact it is a part of an investigation which00:18:13
was carried out in three parts that's it00:18:15
the second part in this case uh00:18:17
This is the one that seemed to me the most00:18:19
interesting to serve as a basis for00:18:21
reading commented on the discussion this00:18:24
evening but therefore it is an investigation00:18:26
first part was published from memory to00:18:28
summer 2020 I would say July 2020 if sour00:18:30
its mon July 8, 2020 with my friend00:18:33
Mathieu sucks therefore journalist at the poenquê00:18:36
from Médiapart therefore the first part00:18:38
covered around ten cases of00:18:40
military and former neo-Nazi soldiers00:18:42
within the French army uh that00:18:45
had done quite a bit of that had done00:18:46
react in particular to the Minister of00:18:48
armies of the Florence period parli00:18:50
uh and so in March00:18:53
2021 roughly a little over 6 months 600:18:55
months later we published a 2nd00:18:58
deè shutter uh since what had us00:19:01
much has been answered about00:19:02
initial desdcats of the first part of00:19:05
the investigation is that these were cases00:19:07
isolated and well we wanted to continue00:19:09
the investigation identifies other cases but00:19:11
above all document and I think we00:19:13
will speak the existence of what we are00:19:15
this is the title of the investigation finally00:19:17
second part of a sector in00:19:19
occurrence document the fact that00:19:20
many of these soldiers finally00:19:22
had for for the second part found00:19:23
more than fifty new00:19:25
memory profiles and have documented00:19:27
beyond the name00:19:29
important the fact that the vast majority00:19:31
of these these soldiers these soldiers00:19:32
neo-Nazis knew each other00:19:34
others despite the fact that they were00:19:36
spread in more than a dozen of00:19:37
French army regiments army00:19:39
French as a reminder it's close to00:19:41
20000000:19:42
people obviously the probability that00:19:45
these 50 people are all and00:19:47
all finally all in this case it is00:19:48
only men met in the00:19:50
framework of their function and almost a00:19:52
film if not non-existent and therefore the00:19:54
common point between these different00:19:55
people and what makes them00:19:58
know these different people00:20:00
knew each other it was00:20:01
clearly their neo-Nazi conviction and00:20:03
so that's why we decided to00:20:04
to title on this finally to use this00:20:06
sector term to emphasize the fact00:20:07
that these were not isolated cases00:20:10
contrary to the communication of00:20:11
the army and subsequently we made a00:20:13
third part that we will talk about00:20:15
perhaps also which was broadcast00:20:17
published at the end of 2021 if I remember00:20:20
my and which had been caused by the00:20:22
fact that one of the soldiers who had been00:20:24
targeted by our previous revelations00:20:26
had been arrested in an arsenal of00:20:29
memory of 120 guns and 200 kg of00:20:31
ammunition in any case a sufficient quantity00:20:33
incredible number of firearms and00:20:35
ammunition and therefore we published a00:20:37
third part to return to this00:20:38
case to return to the question of00:20:40
sanctions which had been taken or not00:20:42
by the army I think we are leaving00:20:44
will speak he was also one of the greats00:20:46
issues and at the same time we had00:20:48
revealed again it seems to me several00:20:51
several dozen other cases for at00:20:53
total of these three parts uh not far00:20:55
of one of a hundred people00:20:57
concerned within the French army00:21:00
uh that's great, ask if there were any00:21:03
reactions from the ministry but perhaps00:21:04
that this has already progressed a little because00:21:06
that we are going to talk about it during the00:21:09
reading article yeah did you00:21:11
for project to work with Street00:21:12
press on group mapping00:21:14
French far right uh so I have00:21:16
never worked with Street press I00:21:18
am obviously their their work on the00:21:19
subject uh I have no formal opposition00:21:23
to work with them their job is00:21:25
interesting but I don't work in00:21:26
the occurrence on this project there by00:21:28
and tererence asks you if the army00:21:30
already monitors the networks00:21:32
social networks to identify this type of00:21:33
character uh so that's all00:21:36
question I would tend to say yes00:21:39
for all I know but one of the00:21:40
major issues that we are going to talk about00:21:41
it is that the army nicknamed the great00:21:44
mute was in this case very mute00:21:46
on this subject there is theoretically a00:21:47
intelligence service called00:21:48
the drsd who does a check00:21:52
military profiles a watch on00:21:55
the subject particularly at the time of00:21:56
recruitment to detect00:21:59
different types of profile00:22:01
uh but every time we asked questions00:22:04
questions to the army in the context finally00:22:05
to the Ministry of the Armed Forces as part of00:22:07
of these investigations and in particular in00:22:08
asking questions about what were00:22:09
the means what were the00:22:11
verification process how many00:22:13
people exactly within the drsd00:22:15
working on this are they00:22:16
were indeed looking on the networks00:22:18
social or did they have other other ways to check00:22:21
the profiles of people who recruit00:22:23
the army almost never responded00:22:25
well even strictly never responded00:22:26
to these questions in particular uh in00:22:28
money from a certain number of finally the00:22:30
sensitivity of of of the subject uh and00:22:33
so unfortunately even if I would like00:22:35
well know it I don't know00:22:36
exactly uh what type of sleep is00:22:39
carried out by the army in this case00:22:40
by the drsd uh and in particular if if they00:22:43
monitor social media00:22:44
I guess yes to what extent00:22:46
on what scale and so on I know00:22:49
not unfortunately yes and what is it00:22:50
what they do is great Marie he asks00:22:52
what do they do once they00:22:53
have the information and well it was quite a00:22:55
it was also one of the issues and it is00:22:56
why, moreover, we did00:22:57
several several shutters uh each00:22:59
time we published these00:23:01
different these different aspects00:23:03
the army whether it is the minister of army00:23:04
from the time Florence spoke the leader00:23:06
of army staff the spokesperson00:23:08
armies and so on they made00:23:09
particularly on the occasion of the second part00:23:11
gift which we will finally talk about following the00:23:12
publication of this second paper uh00:23:14
a real media tour so I00:23:15
am not one00:23:17
historical specialist of the army but00:23:19
uh to my knowledge I rarely00:23:21
as much seen in finally in a span of00:23:22
such short time of morning and00:23:25
broadcast uh big public with the chef00:23:28
of the army staff then the00:23:30
spokesperson for the armies and Cera who00:23:32
succeeds on the sets for for00:23:33
talk about that in particular so they have they00:23:35
had done a bit of a big operation00:23:37
of communication by falsely promising00:23:40
and through sanctions investigations00:23:41
exemplary sanctions they had had00:23:43
very harsh words against the00:23:44
neo-Nazi soldiers gift that we had00:23:46
identified the fitter for what we00:23:49
knows about it and it's one of the00:23:50
issues that we will also discuss00:23:52
in fact we don't know much00:23:54
no more but in any case to my00:23:55
knowledge uh on the whole00:23:58
of the cases that we could have00:24:00
identify and reveal there are four00:24:03
soldiers who were excluded from the army00:24:05
following our investigations uh for the others00:24:08
the army finally asserts for the others00:24:10
proven cases, that is to say the other cases00:24:12
that the army managed to verify in00:24:14
anyway that's what they told us00:24:15
uh the army would have taken00:24:17
sanctions uh other than dismissal for00:24:20
what we know the other sanctions00:24:23
that it returns from memory it is 30 days00:24:25
maximum stoppage uh 30 days is not00:24:29
necessarily a lot for people who00:24:30
have their body covered with tattoos00:24:32
neo-Nazis and and that the French army00:24:35
trains in combat by definition it is00:24:36
soldiers00:24:38
h and pressure by the same00:24:42
occasion I naively thought of00:24:43
the time when I heard about00:24:44
these 30 days of downtime that the days00:24:48
stop it was a bit like in the00:24:49
films it was 30 days in prison what00:24:50
roughly speaking in a barracks it's00:24:52
not that, I said 30 days off, it's in00:24:55
big 30 days where you are in the barracks00:24:57
to do your service normally but00:24:58
you basically don't have the right to go out00:24:59
the weekend and not the activities00:25:00
extracurriculars what roughly so00:25:02
it's a bit like being in a00:25:04
internac you had done stupid things and00:25:05
that you are punished for 30 days I00:25:07
I'm not sure that this is necessarily the one00:25:09
most suitable sanction uh for00:25:12
to in any case finally integrate one00:25:14
certain number of profiles that we were able to00:25:15
identify I am not partisan either00:25:17
I I I don't have the answer to what00:25:19
how should it be00:25:20
effectively sanction all these00:25:22
military and I think there is the00:25:25
the sanction should not necessarily be00:25:26
the same for everyone because the cases00:25:27
that we document are quite different00:25:30
Well, it's quite different from case to case.00:25:31
the other but for all that I00:25:33
know of the sanctions as it stands so there are00:25:35
had only four referrals following these00:25:37
investigations is that or are we going to attack00:25:40
the actual reading good00:25:42
so I'm making the announcement straight away00:25:45
what says in German there in all this00:25:47
which is quote unfortunately I have00:25:50
does Spanish in LV2 so it's possible00:25:52
that I scratch out all the words in German00:25:53
sorry if there are any german speaking friends00:25:55
who we00:25:56
look at uh a neo-Nazi network in00:25:59
within the French army ah yes00:26:00
maybe don't hesitate so it's a00:26:02
commented reading so don't hesitate to00:26:04
interrupt me as many times as you00:26:06
judges necessary and in the chat if you00:26:08
have questions that are awake00:26:10
by reading articles you00:26:11
put and then uh and then we will respond to00:26:14
no Thérence we won't clip them all00:26:15
the times I miss the MS in German00:26:17
thank you fortunately fortunately there00:26:18
some things I've heard before00:26:19
sure in history class because00:26:21
if not then a neo-Nazi network within00:26:25
of the French army Mia hand reveals a00:26:27
fifty new cases of00:26:28
neo-Nazi soldiers of men who00:26:30
no longer hesitate to display their00:26:31
conviction inside their barracks00:26:33
or Army-led mission ORS00:26:34
French the elements raised by00:26:37
the meia part investigation is very serious00:26:38
recognizes the Ministry of the Armed Forces00:26:41
recognize it's very serious we already have one00:26:42
end of the response from the ministry in00:26:44
effective in December 2019 Corporal Nikita00:26:48
h shares on his Instagram account which00:26:50
has more than a thousand subscribers00:26:52
a video compiling memories of his00:26:54
participation in Operation Harpi aimed at00:26:56
to fight against their illegal payment in00:26:58
guyan yes besides what I don't have for you00:27:00
said it's if you want to interrupt me it's00:27:01
also to explain how you find00:27:03
this information here are the insta publ accounts00:27:06
finally how do you also get back on track00:27:08
every time on these images which are I00:27:10
don't know if they share them thinking that00:27:11
no one other than their friends will00:27:13
see or not so much then00:27:15
finally indeed the maybe for for00:27:17
explain a little the starting point00:27:18
of this investigation how I got started00:27:19
to finally find out how I am00:27:20
came to find soldiers00:27:22
neo-Nazis NOTAM finally in open source00:27:24
and therefore in particular in this case I had worked a lot around the network00:27:26
social Instagram uh actually it's like00:27:29
often uh in any case me it's it's00:27:31
this is how I work for a lot00:27:32
of my investigations it is by doing a00:27:33
investigation that I came across00:27:35
elements which then allow me to00:27:36
do others and so uh one of my00:27:39
favorite themes since00:27:41
I'm a journalist it's work00:27:42
on the militant far right in France00:27:44
and I realized that in00:27:46
working on different groups00:27:47
far-right activists regularly00:27:49
in fact I came across profiles of00:27:50
military without necessarily looking for them00:27:52
uh neo-Nazi military uh be in this00:27:55
a soldier for a few or00:27:56
active military personnel at the moment in any case00:27:58
where where I found the profiles uh and00:28:00
one thing led to another so I put them00:28:02
aside because I was doing others00:28:03
investigations at that time and after a00:28:04
moment I realized that00:28:05
I had never looked for a soldier00:28:07
neo-Nazi and that I had already found some00:28:08
a good ten quite easily uh00:28:10
again so open source00:28:12
with only Instagram profiles00:28:14
public therefore accessible to all and00:28:15
all and that's how I got00:28:17
said that there was surely a subject uh00:28:19
so at the time I suddenly proposed the00:28:20
the first part of C investigates00:28:22
mediaapart so it was the the which was00:28:24
published the one that was published in00:28:25
July 2020 uh and then it's00:28:28
suddenly following the different reactions00:28:29
of the army and the fact that we said to each other00:28:32
notably with Mathieu with whom Mathieu00:28:33
who I worked with on this00:28:35
first part that there was00:28:36
probably other cases to find and00:28:37
well I continued the investigation and how00:28:39
so then when we look for them00:28:41
more actively how did I00:28:42
at the time found these soldiers and well00:28:44
it's quite simple basically I created a00:28:47
new Instagram account an account00:28:49
virgin on Instagram I subscribed to00:28:51
military profiles then not not00:28:53
not at all specifically about00:28:55
neo-Nazis just French soldiers00:28:57
uh and actually doing that00:28:59
the Instagram algorithm is coming to you00:29:01
make recommendations of00:29:02
suggested accounts to which you00:29:03
can subscribe and the fact is that00:29:05
if by subscribing only to00:29:06
military and well the algorithm of00:29:08
from Instagram only recommended me00:29:09
in suggestion of military profiles00:29:12
uh which I subscribed to and basically00:29:15
I subscribed like this00:29:16
successively to hundreds then00:29:18
thousands of military profiles on00:29:19
Instagram and browsing them00:29:21
methodically then one by one I00:29:23
tried to identify which ones were00:29:25
neo-Nazis and once I found one00:29:27
a certain number of neo-Nazis I00:29:28
I was particularly interested in00:29:30
their comrades to other soldiers in00:29:32
to other people who posed with00:29:33
them on in the photos their theirs00:29:35
comrades of the chamber regiment and00:29:36
cetera but in any case the point00:29:38
departure is00:29:39
this one I'm doing a mini encore out of00:29:42
subject Mr. Hudson 2015 it's not we00:29:46
can say nothing more it's only there00:29:47
the article talks about a neo-Nazi network00:29:49
in the French army so if Muriel00:29:52
who is being modest this evening has deleted00:29:54
your comment which I had time for00:29:55
to read and who spoke of in Ukraine ga00:29:59
there are only Nazis, that has no point00:30:00
related to tonight's topic and00:30:02
before going to see what is happening00:30:03
Ukraine we are going to watch our own Nazis00:30:05
house tonight so no out00:30:08
subject in the00:30:09
cat h so I take it again00:30:13
reading on uh on this nice00:30:17
Nikita h we see this member of the Legion00:30:20
foreigner of Ukrainian origin in uniform00:30:22
combat pushing aside lianas crossing00:30:23
rivers in the Amazon jungle00:30:26
this does not detract from its00:30:28
reports showing the difficult hunt00:30:30
gold poachers that the army00:30:31
French girl likes to stage except00:30:33
that there the report made by Nikita00:30:35
is not reprimanded by his hierarchy00:30:37
last sequence shows four young people00:30:39
black children performing a nazi salute00:30:41
the little ones repeat loud and clear00:30:44
sorry zigil while tending badly00:30:46
straight arm a gesture that according to00:30:48
obviously someone asked them00:30:49
to carry out and whose children do not00:30:50
don't understand the video00:30:52
nosuse is embellished with an ironic00:30:54
comment in Russian AR nothing so that00:30:56
it's this video it's a video that00:30:58
you find it completely then it's in00:30:59
the occurrence so it's one for I P that00:31:01
will speak to everyone it's a video00:31:04
which was originally published as Story00:31:05
on Instagram so it's the stories00:31:07
these are publications that remain00:31:08
online only 24 hours but00:31:10
this soldier so Nikita found00:31:13
interesting enough to00:31:15
archive it as a Featured Story00:31:17
on his profile in fact it was quite crazy00:31:19
but many many soldiers00:31:21
then in inch once again let it be00:31:22
naziou not and I had made one00:31:24
another investigation from that but00:31:25
many soldiers have comps00:31:27
Public Instagram uh and make00:31:29
real souvenir albums on their00:31:31
Instagram account of the different00:31:33
operations in which they participate and00:31:35
so in fact they make different00:31:36
Featured Story albums for00:31:38
different operations often they00:31:40
put the name of the country or the name of00:31:41
the operation or emojis with00:31:43
flag of different countries in00:31:44
which they went and00:31:45
the occurrence therefore this this soldier had00:31:47
a souvenir album of archived story00:31:50
of his participation in Operation Harpi00:31:52
and as they say it was therefore00:31:54
images as we would see them in the00:31:56
somewhat cliché reports on M6 or or00:31:58
other army operations00:32:00
French in the jungle where he progresses00:32:02
with difficulty by cutting elian with00:32:05
up to his waist, here he is filming00:32:07
many animals snakes00:32:08
crocodiles the and others and in the in00:32:11
the lot of this this this souvenir album this00:32:14
military had therefore archived this00:32:17
video that you just described so which00:32:19
showed four young children00:32:22
to carry out00:32:24
Casis and repeating a naasie slogan00:32:27
uh here it is and moreover so this00:32:30
video besides was both in00:32:31
this Story album in the spotlight he had it00:32:34
found I think so emblematic00:32:36
of his participation in the operation that he00:32:37
also did a little editing00:32:40
typical video as one could00:32:42
what to do as a holiday souvenir00:32:44
short video of 1 30 with that's it with00:32:46
a little music so same style00:32:48
image sequence sequence of him00:32:50
in the00:32:51
gingle of him chasing the00:32:53
crocodiles and others and in the lot there00:32:56
had also archived this finally00:32:58
included this same00:33:01
video account consultation00:33:03
Instagram of the legionnaire does not let00:33:05
room for doubt as to its fascination00:33:07
by for the twisted Nazi ideology00:33:09
beach he wears a swastika00:33:11
during and when he takes the pose00:33:13
in front of the Effel Tower he hangs his photo00:33:14
to an image of Adolf Hitler in the same00:33:16
PAE in front of the same monument in 1940 you00:33:19
see the photo like this you have00:33:20
the image on the left in fact there he had00:33:22
a very nice selfie at the beach ah or00:33:24
also with us I think yes00:33:28
ilticles but in any case with one00:33:30
swastika in pendant but where the00:33:32
people buy but you hang fr game Google00:33:36
Shopping00:33:38
good very nice photo in any case see you later00:33:42
having revealed in July 2020 how a00:33:44
ten soldiers boasted about00:33:45
social networks of their membership in00:33:46
Nazi ideology Mia hand reveals00:33:48
today supporting documents that in00:33:50
reality the phenomenon is of a whole00:33:52
another magnitude we discovered 5000:33:53
new cases of military personnel displaying00:33:55
their nostalgia for the 3rd RA00:33:57
question the ministry of the armed forces00:33:59
recognizes that the elements raised by00:34:00
the Médi part investigation is very serious00:34:03
so that's really the constant00:34:04
of the reaction of of the army of00:34:07
ministry of the armies to the three to the three00:34:09
aspects of our investigation each time we00:34:10
sent them a list of00:34:12
extremely precise questions with00:34:15
the different cases we had00:34:16
identified et cetera and each time00:34:18
the three times they didn't answer us00:34:20
question by question but they have00:34:21
only made a general response in00:34:23
grateful every time and00:34:25
it is moreover if they are then allit00:34:27
repeat on a number of00:34:28
trays that the elements of our00:34:31
investigation were serious and that00:34:33
our investigations were serious uh and that00:34:35
they would investigate the on the following this00:34:36
who would have sanctions and that's what00:34:37
that I said before Thérence ago00:34:39
which perhaps makes the answer rather than00:34:41
Google Shopping does scholarships00:34:43
militariat are they places of00:34:44
meeting for these people but is it00:34:45
that you can buy easily like this00:34:46
in purses on objects of00:34:49
military souvenirs of insignia00:34:52
things of yeah absolutely there are00:34:53
there is there is one of one of the neo-Nazis00:34:56
uh finally one of the soldiers concerned by00:34:58
an investigation which in fact was by00:34:59
elsewhere a collector of00:35:01
militariat of historical objects of the 3rd00:35:03
richche got it then I don't know it's00:35:06
not it's clearly not the majority00:35:08
but I have another example in mind of a00:35:11
French far-right activist00:35:13
quite active and quite influential who who00:35:16
is also a collector of00:35:19
military objects related to with00:35:21
the 3rd then from there to say that it is00:35:24
a meeting place on these exchanges I00:35:26
I don't know I don't think but00:35:28
in any case there are there are in the lot of00:35:30
people who collect these00:35:32
objects not simply for interest for00:35:34
for the story in any case they have a00:35:35
very very very specific interest and00:35:37
very marked and very linked to their00:35:39
own ideas for neo-Nazi imagery00:35:41
or finally Nazi in00:35:43
the occurrence many of these new00:35:45
cases are found in the ranks of the00:35:46
Foreign Legion but not only in00:35:48
more than six metropolitan regiments00:35:50
what does this famous institution mean00:35:52
3rd Parachute Regiment00:35:54
marine infantry the 35th regiment00:35:56
infantry of the 132nd regiment00:35:58
sinotechnical infantry are00:36:00
concerned at the margin note that the00:36:02
most of the cases identified are not00:36:04
isolated, some are in contact with each other00:36:06
others we often find them together00:36:07
on group photos that's in du00:36:09
that's what I was saying all along00:36:10
the time but it is of course the issue of00:36:11
this this this sector the title had not00:36:15
was poorly commented on at the time we00:36:17
had sent a number of00:36:19
complaints about the use of this00:36:21
term by saying that it was absolutely00:36:22
wrong to say that there was no00:36:23
neo-Nazi network within the army00:36:25
precisely the issue and this is the00:36:27
besides the graph that we made00:36:28
just below it was good to show00:36:29
that of these 50 new documented cases00:36:32
many of them knew each other00:36:33
each other at a minimum00:36:35
interacted with each other on00:36:37
social networks but we had00:36:38
also photos of different00:36:40
soldiers from different regiments who00:36:42
probably had not00:36:44
met as part of their of their00:36:46
function which posed together which00:36:48
were friends and who posed together00:36:49
moreover often to do SA00:36:51
naziis or sell nazii flags00:36:53
Or00:36:54
other the previous article by méiaap00:36:57
revealed the presence of neo-Nazi soldiers00:36:59
within the 13th Hunter Battalion00:37:01
alpine of the first hussar regiment00:37:03
paratrooper of the 2nd regiment00:37:05
marine infantry news00:37:06
revelations pte to 14 the number of00:37:08
regiments of the French army counting00:37:09
of complexion the individual in their rank00:37:11
compared to all 210,00000:37:13
military personnel around sixty cases00:37:14
now identified in a few months00:37:16
by mediapart weighs little but our00:37:18
survey carried out mainly in source00:37:19
open, that is to say by consulting the00:37:21
social media posts00:37:22
accessible to all with the means that00:37:24
are those of a newspaper and not of the State00:37:26
not be exhaustive but you think that00:37:27
This is the submerged face of the iceberg00:37:29
yeah absolutely in fact we can00:37:31
doubt that then there are several things00:37:32
there is indeed the question of means00:37:34
uh so this article in this case we00:37:37
signed it severally with the second00:37:38
ceta section with Justine Braban and and00:37:40
Mathieu still sucks at the game00:37:42
identification of these profiles is00:37:44
it was me who made it very very00:37:46
great in the vast majority good and well me00:37:48
in fact as a journalist with my00:37:50
meager means and as I have you00:37:52
explained by scrolling through thousands of00:37:53
military profiles on Instagram at00:37:55
length of day uh well00:37:57
obviously I can't afford it00:37:59
drsd so even if I said it we know00:38:00
not exactly what means the drsd00:38:02
or others00:38:04
services put put in in in in the00:38:06
detection of this type of profile but we00:38:08
can suspect that my my00:38:11
rudimentary scrolling techniques00:38:13
instagram on my phone and from me00:38:15
hurt your eyes very much when watching00:38:17
thousands or tens of thousands of00:38:19
photos of soldiers all over00:38:20
day uh are are are are not at00:38:23
the height of the months of the army and00:38:25
moreover in fact I p that he has00:38:27
obviously a bias induced by the00:38:29
research technique since again00:38:31
once we search in open source00:38:32
therefore only profiles in00:38:34
the public Instagram occurrence we can00:38:36
doubt that there are a certain number of00:38:38
neo-Nazi soldiers who will have00:38:39
maybe the intelligence between00:38:42
quotes to say to themselves that even if they00:38:45
may have problems00:38:47
displaying for all to see on00:38:50
social networks their beliefs and00:38:52
finally both their conviction and00:38:53
their their status their activity of their00:38:55
military function uh and what00:38:56
so at a minimum they will put their account00:38:58
in private if not for I would say the00:39:01
the most intelligent among them00:39:03
very big quotes that maybe00:39:04
he simply does not publish photos of00:39:06
making sazis on the00:39:07
social networks which does not mean00:39:08
as long as they are not neo-Nazis00:39:11
but this is obviously the fact of00:39:12
talk only about public account on00:39:14
Instagram gives you an idea of00:39:17
fact that it's the the the emerged face00:39:20
of the iceberg Louise says we have to00:39:22
subscribe to finance the00:39:23
Sébastien's antidepressants are very00:39:26
nice but I taker but but00:39:28
but the investigation was sometimes a little00:39:30
long indeed uh that's one00:39:33
question that I also asked myself00:39:34
reading the surveys and we say to ourselves00:39:36
would be for this noséabond ideology00:39:38
is it exclusively masculine leaving00:39:40
women, it being understood that the proportion00:39:42
of women is obviously low in00:39:43
the army00:39:44
uh so I guess there is no00:39:47
only men who are neo-Nazis00:39:49
good for so far on the on the cases00:39:50
well for what I can say about00:39:52
the on these investigations there the the00:39:54
all profiles00:39:57
identified are men ago00:39:59
obviously a bias because there is a00:40:01
male preponderance within00:40:03
the army especially since for these00:40:04
investigations we worked exclusively00:40:06
on the army which if I do not00:40:08
deceive me is the least of the three armies00:40:11
feminized I think it's in the00:40:12
I have a doubt if it's in the air00:40:14
where the navy where there are more women in00:40:16
anyway I know it's in00:40:17
the land force that the proportion has00:40:19
weaker number of women and even more00:40:21
that a good part of the profiles00:40:24
identified are in the Foreign Legion00:40:26
uh and except from me there is no00:40:28
woman in the Legion00:40:31
foreign so this is a diagram which00:40:33
showed that all these people are00:40:35
more or less related what it is not00:40:36
really isolated people yeah00:40:39
quite you can see that roughly00:40:40
on this diagram it is it is00:40:43
the idea makes it the number of cases00:40:45
isolated between quotation marks in the sense of00:40:47
neo-Nazi military people who00:40:49
according to our information it was00:40:52
obviously not completely exhaustive00:40:54
I don't know any other teachers00:40:56
being able to identify it is enough00:40:58
restricted and that for many00:41:00
They at least know at least one00:41:02
other military no naaz uh often not00:41:05
in the same regiments as them and for00:41:06
a certain name of them for once00:41:07
they sometimes know each other in groups of00:41:08
4 5 6 7 uh and so therefore of a of a00:41:13
regiment or several regiments00:41:15
towards each other00:41:17
others especially this piecemeal investigation00:41:20
is limited to only neo-Nazis without retaining00:41:22
activists displaying convictions00:41:23
other far-right families00:41:25
contradicts the official figures in June00:41:27
2019 mission report00:41:29
information on public services00:41:31
faced with the radicalization of deputies00:41:33
Éric Driard Diar sorry Éric poulia00:41:36
believed that the personnel of the forces00:41:37
armies appear in our country sheltered00:41:39
for the moment of any radicalization00:41:41
notable the rapporteurs relied on00:41:43
the figures submitted to them by the00:41:44
Directorate of Intelligence and00:41:46
defense security according to this service00:41:48
intelligence known as the first circle00:41:51
the proportion of suspicion of00:41:52
radicalization whether Islamic or00:41:54
policy is evaluated at ze .05% in00:41:57
the army at 0.03% in the navy00:42:01
the OPEX 360 site then noted that this00:42:04
represented, according to the00:42:05
percentages given 57 radicalized to00:42:08
within the army mainly00:42:10
cases of radical Islam had specified the00:42:12
report and 11 in the navy then in00:42:15
indeed these figures I think that that00:42:17
also says a lot in relation to the00:42:19
question of the magnitude and and00:42:21
around this question of00:42:23
exhaustiveness or in this case not00:42:25
completeness of our work uh so00:42:27
in for this 2019 figure given by the00:42:29
DRS which is the service of00:42:30
information in charge of these questions00:42:32
57 radicalized within the army of00:42:34
earth uh from which I mainly quote00:42:37
cases of radical Islam that means that00:42:38
if you try that the only ones both00:42:40
only categories retained by the drsd00:42:42
in this case what we don't know00:42:44
but if the only two categories00:42:45
only two types of profile00:42:47
radicalized in which they are interested is00:42:48
cases of radical Islam on the one hand and00:42:50
cases of neonasia on the other hand that means00:42:53
say that the drsd roughly speaking if we00:42:55
do the calculation uh know about it00:42:56
maximum of 25 to 30 cases of neo-Nazis00:42:59
uh in the French army the fact is00:43:01
that uh we uh obviously this figure00:43:03
sorry from the drsd for this00:43:05
vocation to be exhaustive it is it is the00:43:06
figure from their report uh then it's00:43:08
an evaluation uh but for all that they00:43:09
are they giving this figure of 0.500:43:11
0.05% uh for the entire army00:43:15
earth the fact is that we with our00:43:17
only two first parts of00:43:19
the investigation there that we are talking about uh00:43:22
until now we were at more than 6000:43:24
cases finally about sixty cases uh of00:43:26
neo-Nazi within the army and therefore00:43:29
a figure already twice as high as00:43:31
that of the drsd knowing that00:43:33
unlike that of the drsd we00:43:35
our figure and again that's what00:43:36
I explained just before our00:43:39
figure in particular from our means and00:43:41
the working method in this case00:43:42
investigation uh has for once00:43:44
absolutely not intended to be exhaustive00:43:47
we recognize it and once again it is00:43:49
well that's the issue is that it's the00:43:50
face emerged the iceberg I have in vain00:43:52
spent long weeks peeling00:43:55
thousands of military profiles for00:43:58
find these cases of noonazi military00:44:00
so I don't have a precise figure but I00:44:02
think everything is broken if I have gone through00:44:04
maybe I don't know I would say between 500:44:07
and go 10,000 Instagram profiles from00:44:09
military uh well actually 60 neo-Nazis00:44:13
out of 10,000 military profiles00:44:15
obviously it is a proportion which is00:44:17
much much much more00:44:18
important that the 0.05% does not mean00:44:20
say no more and we never say that and00:44:22
never wrote that the entirety of00:44:23
French soldiers are neo-Nazis00:44:25
is obviously not the case but for00:44:27
as much as the proportion is greater00:44:30
than the one recognized by the army and that00:44:31
given by the drsd for00:44:35
uh complete to be complete obviously I have00:44:39
well aware and we are well aware00:44:40
when we publish this survey in00:44:41
certain of ticket in particular due to the fact00:44:43
to have worked by00:44:44
capillarity I'm not saying that 60 neo-Nazis00:44:47
out of 10,000 soldiers that we can00:44:49
can extrapolate and that gives00:44:51
really an idea of the proportion00:44:54
on the scale of the army uh00:44:56
or the French army so00:44:57
general uh since once we00:44:59
had identified a certain number of00:45:00
neo-Nazis as I said00:45:01
was more specifically interested in their00:45:03
entourage to their comrades uh to00:45:05
other people from to others00:45:06
members of their regiment their comrades00:45:07
of room et cetera so there is a00:45:09
biaet induced by the fact of00:45:10
work by capillary action uh to00:45:12
as much uh I think that this bias uh00:45:15
is not likely to bring back uh00:45:17
finally de de de facto in fact00:45:20
on the profiles that we have documented00:45:22
despite this bias we were already00:45:23
well above uh the figures of00:45:25
the drsd and all the more with then00:45:29
the third part of our00:45:30
investigation I see that there are messages00:45:32
in the chat Kazar per he tells us the00:45:34
only guy I knew who did00:45:36
the Foreign Legion has a huge tattoo00:45:37
what power on the chest I think it00:45:39
is further down in the article00:45:41
this one in any case there is a story00:45:43
tattoo at some point then there00:45:44
has quite a history of00:45:45
tattoo it's white pride no00:45:47
uh possible possible yes there are00:45:49
white pride tattoo in the lot it00:45:52
there were all types of tattoos00:45:53
because in fact how00:45:55
do we identify how is it00:45:56
that we could document and say this00:45:57
no one has neo-Nazi beliefs good00:46:00
well it's not rocket science he in the immense00:46:02
majority of cases, i.e. people00:46:04
pose for a large photo in front of00:46:05
rche treme flags or by making00:46:07
sal naasis or both at the same time00:46:09
or for many many of them00:46:11
well they had tattoos00:46:12
swastika body explicit facts00:46:15
quote from the SS and other references which00:46:18
leash which leaves little space00:46:20
to doubt and so there was indeed00:46:22
in the at this type this type of tattoo and00:46:25
I also point out that for many00:46:26
it was tattoos that were on00:46:27
highly visible areas of the body00:46:28
or in any case visible on their00:46:30
body as a soldier in particular00:46:31
when they are in sportswear uh I know00:46:33
not if there are some who have the head00:46:34
sports clothing regulations00:46:36
Foreign Legion is shorts enough00:46:38
short and fairly low-cut tank tops00:46:40
uh the tattoos on the shoulders on00:46:43
the arms et cetera are clearly00:46:44
visible to everyone from all their00:46:46
comrades and their hierarchy uh so00:46:49
it's not just things that00:46:51
who hid these tattoos even00:46:53
question that Terence have tattoos00:46:54
in this way is it not forbidden to00:46:55
within the army if it is obviously00:46:57
forbidden in any case that's what00:46:58
the French army replied to us but00:47:00
It’s obviously one of the00:47:02
issues uh is that uh all these00:47:05
all these all these all these00:47:07
beliefs were displayed uh uh to00:47:11
the view of everyone whether on the00:47:13
social networks with public profiles00:47:15
but also within the barracks00:47:17
things we talk about00:47:18
also in the article it seems to me00:47:19
that it's in this this part there in all00:47:21
case we also found a lot of images00:47:22
uh photos of videos filmed within00:47:25
even barracks in which uh such00:47:28
or such soldier or such group of00:47:30
no-Nazi soldiers displayed on the wall00:47:32
flags flags with crosses00:47:35
gamed or drawn on the fridge of the00:47:37
barracks a swastika or even several00:47:40
swastika besides from memory uh uh00:47:43
took a photo with minecampf in00:47:45
there in the barracks or other brief uh00:47:48
all this was visible and was00:47:51
was absolutely not hidden within00:47:52
even of the institution and and within itself00:47:54
barracks and in front of them00:47:55
comrade there is another video00:47:57
also that we revealed one of one00:48:00
military uh finally of a legionnaire00:48:02
French in this case which is a00:48:05
video where they do it's a group of00:48:07
legionnaire who makes a barbecue he does00:48:09
be, I don't know, ten or one00:48:10
fortnight and the soldier in00:48:12
the occurrence makes a naasie salute in front of00:48:14
all his comrades well it makes everyone laugh00:48:16
the world a priori in any case on the00:48:18
video h so clearly he if he is00:48:20
nor did he hide from his00:48:21
regimental comrades of his00:48:23
convictions so I think that if00:48:24
tuelle I'm stupid that answers your question00:48:26
if there is a form of disapproval of00:48:27
colleagues facing this type of behavior00:48:31
uh did you imagine the00:48:34
contact for interviews these00:48:36
neo-Nazi people then all00:48:38
all the neo-Nazi soldiers we have00:48:40
identified were contacted while00:48:42
simply because it is the principle00:48:43
of the contradictory to which we are subjected00:48:44
as a journalist therefore all00:48:45
person who is implicated in a00:48:47
in an investigation in an article must00:48:49
be contacted in advance of00:48:51
the appearance of the article we have00:48:53
sent them finally I sent them to00:48:56
each time a fairly precise list00:48:58
questions uh giving them a00:49:00
some time to respond with00:49:03
reminders et cetera uh to give them00:49:06
the possibility of therefore explaining and00:49:08
we also constrained as00:49:10
journalist in the context of in the case00:49:11
where these people respond to us00:49:12
to include their responses in the00:49:14
articles uh it's a legal obligation00:49:17
uh and therefore all C people suddenly00:49:19
to answer the question were00:49:20
contacted the vast majority did not00:49:22
simply not answered and for the00:49:25
finally for those who answered uh there00:49:28
there are almost none who responded to the00:49:30
questions or he responded with insults00:49:32
uh insults uh more or less00:49:35
creative uh either he responded00:49:37
completely off base or with00:49:39
pretty lame excuses by telling me00:49:41
that they were not military but00:49:43
what they did they were fans00:49:44
airsoft and I don't know what else00:49:47
uh or00:49:48
who was not a Nazi despite the 1500:49:52
photos of doing a nazi salute00:49:53
or I don't know what uh here it is and in the00:49:55
so there are very very few uh00:49:57
who actually responded to our00:50:00
questions the ministry of the armies has a00:50:03
answer found everything he tries to00:50:04
minimize our figures by scholar00:50:06
calculation resulting from careful analysis00:50:08
according to the ministry in fact on the 5000:50:10
names that we submitted to him00:50:12
dozen are no longer linked to the armies00:50:13
for around twenty ecicity our00:50:15
investigations which are continuing00:50:17
do not confirm your link information00:50:18
with the extreme right about ten l00:50:21
so just sorry for for the the the00:50:24
cases which do not confirm our00:50:26
information finally in any case for00:50:27
which as a result the army was not in00:50:28
able to confirm our information on00:50:30
fact is that like like I just00:50:32
say we contact these people00:50:34
to ask them questions in the00:50:35
framework of the principle of adversariality00:50:38
so obviously by nature by00:50:40
definition that finally leaves them00:50:42
basically know that they have been identified00:50:44
we tell them that we are getting ready to publish00:50:46
an article since it is the principle00:50:47
Well, that’s why we contact them00:50:49
therefore we can assume that a certain00:50:50
many of them had lucidity00:50:53
between the time they receive our00:50:54
questions and the moment when the all the00:50:57
fairly large army machine00:51:00
sets out to check and00:51:02
investigate well they simply either00:51:04
put their profile in private either00:51:06
delete the posts in question00:51:08
and so this is particularly why I00:51:09
suppose the army was not in00:51:11
measure of confirming a certain number00:51:12
of a certain number of cases that we have00:51:14
had00:51:15
identified uh and I specify sorry00:51:18
also because on the element00:51:20
just before in the army's response00:51:21
when they say a dozen are not00:51:22
more linked to the armies uh then certainly he00:51:24
there are soldiers in the water we have00:51:26
identified who was who had left00:51:28
the army in the potentially in00:51:30
the months well in any case in one00:51:32
relatively short period of time before00:51:33
publication of our survey or our00:51:36
investigations completely so far as00:51:38
do the facts that we were talking about and the the00:51:40
fact that he knew they were00:51:42
neo-Nazis who had displayed it within00:51:43
from their barracks who had posted it00:51:45
on social networks et cetera was00:51:47
entirely concomitant with the with the00:51:50
period their period of engagement in00:51:51
the army so it's not people who have00:51:52
been military and who subsequently after00:51:54
having completed their contract and after00:51:56
having uh left the army were revealed00:51:58
be neo-Nazis or have evolved in00:52:00
their conviction or I don't know what it is00:52:02
people who at the time they were00:52:03
military personnel appear on the networks00:52:06
social and display for good00:52:07
part of them within their own00:52:09
barracks as being neonasia and they00:52:12
already had tattoos for those who00:52:13
already had different tattoos00:52:15
symbols in barracks or00:52:18
other uh about ten legionnaires00:52:20
had already been detected during their00:52:22
commitment that is what we have that it was00:52:25
nonis during when they00:52:27
committed but we didn't do anything then00:52:29
entirely a priori of what we are told00:52:31
the army there are ten or so00:52:32
people where the army had had00:52:35
awareness at the time of recruitment in this case therefore legionnaires that00:52:38
these people were neo-Nazis well he00:52:40
don't go into detail, I suppose it's finally00:52:42
what they say it says right after they00:52:43
say they are not involved in00:52:44
blood crime cases they have00:52:46
were recruited within the framework of the right to00:52:47
forgetting specific to incorporation00:52:48
in the Foreign Legion then indeed00:52:50
it is one of the historical specificities00:52:51
of the Foreign Legion it's basically00:52:53
this this idea to put it simply00:52:55
that you can join the Legion00:52:57
foreign despite your past and that in00:52:58
big it we make a clean sweep of your00:53:00
past uh and uh and basically can it's00:53:02
a fresh start no matter what you are given00:53:05
that the Foreign Legion gives a00:53:07
second chance in quotes uh to00:53:09
people uh why not me I I00:53:11
once again I have I have I don't have the00:53:12
answer uh I I I don't have any real00:53:15
conviction on which is the best00:53:17
way of handling this problem00:53:19
should we recruit or not these00:53:21
people uh do you need which ones00:53:23
what should the sanctions be uh00:53:26
I in this case what he tells us00:53:28
so uh there is an s there is00:53:30
a form of law finally there is a00:53:31
right to be forgotten in the Foreign Legion00:53:33
the fact is also me I I want00:53:35
well believe that a person could have uh00:53:37
being a neo-Nazi in his youth and uh00:53:40
then change your conviction surrender00:53:42
account of horror or ineptitude or00:53:45
in any case what is that00:53:47
actually means being a neo-Nazi uh00:53:49
exchange of conviction and subsequently00:53:50
enter the French army why00:53:52
not the fact is that uh for uh the00:53:55
military uh that we identified the00:53:57
facts that they were accused of between00:53:58
quotes the the the the photos the the00:54:00
elements and that which allowed00:54:02
to attest to the fact that they were00:54:03
neo-Nazis uh it was once again00:54:04
concomitant with their commitment therefore00:54:06
perhaps the army had indeed00:54:08
detected that before these people00:54:10
they enter the Foreign Legion00:54:11
were no Naazis maybe they00:54:13
responded at the time of their00:54:15
recruitment that yes uh it was a00:54:17
youthful mistake and that they had00:54:19
change et cetera well the fact is that00:54:20
us for the profiles that we identify00:54:21
uh these people in any case at the time when00:54:23
we identify them uh they don't have00:54:25
changed and continue to be neo-Nazis or00:54:28
at least for a certain name of them00:54:30
didn't even make the effort to00:54:31
clean up their social networks a little and00:54:32
so if they tried to change00:54:34
conviction bah on their Instagram profile00:54:36
in public they still have tons of00:54:37
photos of doing Casie00:54:39
so in terms of change of00:54:41
conviction or form of then not00:54:44
of redemption that's it uh we have we have00:54:48
see better what it is could it take00:54:51
it's not very complicated to delete00:54:52
some Instagram posts uh so00:54:55
so there they would have at least00:54:56
maybe could do the cleaning if they00:54:57
had really changed their beliefs00:54:58
which in this case was not the00:55:00
cases finally some of the military cited00:55:03
had already been detected and sanctioned00:55:05
for the effect mentioned in the balance sheet and in00:55:07
the status of our investigations mdiapart00:55:09
reveals the existence of 6 to 7 cases which00:55:11
was not yet detected its n radar00:55:13
we would therefore go from 50 soldiers to00:55:15
less than ten and the conclusion00:55:16
becomes evident his behaviors00:55:18
reprehensible falls within the domain of00:55:20
individual drift uh and well finally00:55:24
So I already responded widely00:55:26
around this question the derivation00:55:27
individual it's it's it's not00:55:30
all this in any case is not only00:55:31
that's once again that's what we00:55:33
tries to document through this00:55:34
this idea of a sector and I00:55:36
allow me to just respond to a00:55:37
question that was asked in the chat on00:55:39
the question of do I by Citadel00:55:40
I build you on do I I00:55:42
take screenshots of00:55:43
screenshots to document the00:55:45
the veracity of these discoveries yes everything00:55:47
all that we all that we all that00:55:48
I find all these profiles all these00:55:50
photos and so on I archived them00:55:52
obviously because I suspect00:55:53
When will I contact these00:55:54
people there as I write00:55:56
to the army00:55:58
uh whether it's for this investigation00:56:00
besides or for for others00:56:01
other topics on other themes00:56:02
but these people are going for it00:56:04
clean up their social networks00:56:05
then either simply pass their account00:56:06
privately or delete the photos and00:56:08
CEA so obviously that is for this00:56:11
investigation or others we archive all that00:56:13
and we keep the evidence for00:56:16
what we put forward in particular in the case00:56:18
also where one could be attacked in00:56:19
defamation in order to document the00:56:22
the SER of our work of our of00:56:24
our qu and be able to do if if00:56:27
necessary demonstration in front of a00:56:29
court that what we are saying is00:56:31
truthful and documented and smiling00:56:33
check cross-check et cetera et cetera in00:56:35
the occurrence we have never been attacked00:56:36
enamation for these investigations00:56:39
Antoine 78 who tells us I am a neo-Nazi00:56:41
but understand me my cat is00:56:42
the point of death yes it's true that00:56:44
it’s a defense that’s on the rise00:56:48
h miaap for his part maintains his00:56:51
information for all00:56:52
military personnel identified to establish its00:56:54
are comps of 50 military cases00:56:56
to neo-Nazi beliefs we have no00:56:58
retained effect that soldiers in the00:56:59
cult of the 3rd r translates into00:57:01
indisputable and multiple references00:57:03
so that was one of the questions we00:57:05
that we asked ourselves a lot it was in00:57:06
big what limit we put on our00:57:09
h survey and we said to each other00:57:12
collectively with Mathieu suck with00:57:14
Justine Bran with whom we worked on00:57:16
these on these different aspects that we00:57:18
limited in quotation marks on purpose00:57:20
in the only case of00:57:21
pure and strict neo-Nazi in quotes00:57:25
uh and that other cases of military00:57:29
far-right or racist military00:57:33
or other do not enter into00:57:35
the CH of our investigation00:57:37
uh because for now uh it’s00:57:41
more difficult in quotes then00:57:43
it's it's case by case but it's00:57:44
potentially more difficult to establish00:57:46
really the nature of00:57:47
beliefs of a person uh and00:57:51
that it doesn't matter what we think about it00:57:53
the the extreme right a certain number00:57:55
far-right parties exist00:57:57
in France and uh and there is freedom00:58:00
freedom of opinion freedom to vote for00:58:02
a certain number of these parties et cetera00:58:03
I finally it's it's it's very summary00:58:06
what I'm saying but obviously00:58:08
that we had not blamed a certain00:58:10
of these people their conviction and00:58:11
that we only limit ourselves00:58:13
in the simple case of in the simple case between00:58:15
in quotes but in the case of00:58:17
neo-Nazis as00:58:22
such h then I no longer know where I was00:58:25
there yeah if soldiers appearing00:58:28
nevertheless on our list are left00:58:29
the army this is a change of00:58:31
recent situation following the sending00:58:33
of our military questions put into00:58:34
cause many of them have by00:58:35
elsewhere modified the parameters of00:58:37
confidentiality of their profiles on00:58:38
social networks see delete their00:58:40
account we kept some however00:58:43
all the traces that's what you00:58:44
what or what said completely finally00:58:46
concerning the ten legionnaires00:58:48
already detected the Bala ministry of00:58:50
reverse deain considering that they do not have to00:58:51
to our knowledge nothing published since00:58:53
their commitment in reality to the00:58:55
almost all of the soldiers incriminated00:58:57
the elements are concomitant with their00:58:59
commitment period that's what I00:59:00
also said so it's not it's00:59:02
not just photos that date00:59:04
before photos or elements that00:59:05
date from before their engagement but00:59:07
these are the elements which date from their00:59:08
commitment period in the period00:59:10
during which they are or were00:59:11
now because there the investigation00:59:13
is starting to be a bit dated in any case for00:59:14
this part there they were00:59:18
armed the blindness of the authorities is00:59:20
all the more difficult to understand00:59:22
the soldiers we identified00:59:23
post on social networks their00:59:25
fascination with Nazism with00:59:26
not very discreet and recurring codes of a00:59:28
regiment to another thus number of00:59:31
soldiers risk the Nazi salute on00:59:32
social networks some seek to00:59:34
make up a little their gestures all of the00:59:36
in the same way some appear00:59:38
arms outstretched while hiding their face00:59:40
the others choose a salvation00:59:41
performed with only the expected forearm00:59:43
one of the soldiers doing this half salute00:59:46
Nazi wears a sweatshirt on this occasion00:59:47
decorated with an 88 matched with a COF totem00:59:51
the emblem of a sess division00:59:53
notably assigned to guarding the camps00:59:55
concentration and Nazi extermination00:59:57
so here we have a nice montage we have everything to00:59:59
made a montage of a certain number of01:00:00
identified case I also specify therefore01:00:02
on this story of discreet saasie01:00:05
in quotation marks or01:00:06
this is what is not done01:00:08
completely outstretched arm but01:00:09
only from the front01:00:11
brra obviously for these cases we01:00:13
not limited only to this gesture01:00:16
especially because there are some who would have01:00:17
Although I don't know anything about it he was doing01:00:19
hello to the camera or whatever01:00:21
SO01:00:22
obviously absolutely and therefore01:00:24
obviously for these cases but as01:00:26
for the others besides the the the01:00:29
profiles that we have identified and that we01:00:31
included theirs in the survey01:00:34
neo-Nazi belief was not supported01:00:37
simply by a single photo of a01:00:39
half a saluasie but each time01:00:42
by different elements01:00:44
uh various and varied whether it be01:00:47
tattoos of other people's posts01:00:48
photos or others but in any case this01:00:51
s demialuasia indeed appeared01:00:54
quite regularly there are also01:00:57
who who made some sort of greeting01:00:59
Nazi from AB so that's what we see01:01:01
there in particular a little at the bottom right there01:01:03
some who did it more or less well01:01:04
in quotation marks finally more or less01:01:06
side but but which allowed them to01:01:08
shot at a time to make a salute naasie to01:01:09
both of them hide their faces with01:01:12
their elbows this one you mean yeah01:01:13
quite it seems perhaps it is01:01:14
plastered like that maybe he doesn't have the01:01:16
choice that's it maybe the01:01:17
doctor plastered like that he is plastered01:01:19
up to the shoulder and he is forced to01:01:20
keep your arm outstretched uh Terence01:01:23
told us there was also a gesture01:01:24
with your fingers the photo came out01:01:26
by Media leaves during a concert at the01:01:27
room Simon watches yeah absolutely01:01:30
This is called the three way salute.01:01:31
fingers so there are a little two01:01:33
interpretations uh an interpretation01:01:35
which is often mentioned in the01:01:37
press I know that in particular the01:01:38
street liberation journalists01:01:40
press among others rather uses this01:01:43
interpretation there which would be that therefore this01:01:44
three finger salute would be a salute of01:01:48
of CEN which is basically a variant of01:01:52
SaaS that was invented by someone else01:01:55
and which would basically make it possible to make a01:01:56
saluasie more discreet so it's done01:01:59
it is a salute performed with an outstretched arm01:02:01
with three fingers raised and there is a01:02:04
second interpretation which in my opinion01:02:06
seems more plausible but still01:02:08
it's a little difficult to know01:02:09
actually to which of interpretations01:02:12
the the people who make this gesture01:02:14
make a reference but which basically01:02:17
hi in particular which had been used01:02:18
by the Orthodox Serbs in the01:02:21
different wars in Yuoslavia and which01:02:23
would finally designate which designates of the three01:02:26
fingers the Holy01:02:27
Trinity but by extension this salvation is01:02:30
indeed quite commonly01:02:33
used in particular by activists01:02:34
French and in my opinion become a one01:02:37
sort of rallying sign beyond01:02:39
these two of these two references01:02:41
historical and01:02:43
specific has become a symbol01:02:46
let's say nationalist/far right01:02:49
used by many activists and01:02:50
especially young activists it is a01:02:51
little one of the symbols R assembler01:02:54
used by different currents of01:02:55
the extreme right mantis in01:02:58
France other technique to display01:03:00
their ideas in a more or less01:03:02
subtle several soldiers share01:03:04
on social networks photos01:03:05
showing striking a pose01:03:06
in front of flags of the Reich01:03:08
exhibited in malinx museums because01:03:12
it lacks subtlety overall01:03:14
quite a practice and at least questions01:03:16
on the imagination of these soldiers who01:03:18
decides to publicly disseminate01:03:19
photos sometimes showing them in uniform01:03:21
in front of swastikas one of them01:03:23
a legionnaire, for example, shows himself01:03:25
the kind on his Instagram account holding01:03:26
itself a Ukrainian flag unfurled and01:03:28
goes so far as to reproduce in the description of01:03:30
his photo the first words to a Volk one01:03:32
people of the Nazi slogan to a volque to a01:03:35
Reich to one fur one people one empire one01:03:38
guide to establishing your count of these 5001:03:41
case of soldiers with neo-Nazi convictions01:03:42
in the French army Mediapart has01:03:44
retained its cases discreet greeting and photos01:03:46
in museums than when they were01:03:48
supported by other references more01:03:49
explicit that's what I said01:03:51
previously uh to know that the the01:03:53
the flag there which appears the flag of01:03:55
treme rage which appears on the right on the01:03:57
the photomontage finally this assembly01:03:59
different photos01:04:01
uh had by in the coast that's if I01:04:03
I'm not mistaken about what I understood01:04:04
a flag that appears in a museum in01:04:08
the very enclosure of a barracks of the01:04:10
Foreign Legion it seems to me if I01:04:12
make no mistake about the 2nd REP the second01:04:13
foreign paratrooper regiment had which01:04:16
a flag that is there for01:04:20
document the Legion's battles01:04:21
foreign suddenly during the Second01:04:23
World War therefore in this case01:04:25
against the 3rd Reich and in this case01:04:28
a lot of non-azi military people as a result01:04:30
take advantage of the fact that this drapo in a01:04:33
museum of the vocation which is there with01:04:35
a historical vocation as we attest01:04:37
besides the little plate that we01:04:38
see on the right in the photo and well01:04:40
many soldiers took advantage of the01:04:42
shot to take the photo to take01:04:44
the break in uniform in front of this flag01:04:46
and as I said previously and01:04:49
as Anna just said in01:04:51
in the sentence she just read uh01:04:53
for it’s CASL obviously we were happy01:04:56
not just these photos which good I01:04:59
don't really know which person01:05:01
neo-Nazist would say that it's a good01:05:02
photo of taking the break proudly01:05:04
in front of a Nazi flag in a museum01:05:05
but hey for all that we see each other01:05:07
was not happy with ENF to document the01:05:10
fact that these people were Bell and01:05:11
well born naasie we were not satisfied01:05:12
simply from these01:05:13
photos and then there are the classics these01:05:16
nicknames that flourish on the networks01:05:17
social services to which soldiers were involved in 8801:05:20
no reference to the number of their01:05:21
regiment but at h the 8th letter of01:05:24
the alphabet which is doubled for a01:05:26
Hitler, I learned that thanks to you in01:05:28
reading this article and well delighted with from from01:05:31
to improve your knowledge in01:05:33
the matter there are a certain number of01:05:34
of digital codes like that which are01:05:37
quite recurrent when we are interested in01:05:39
to the extreme right militant whatever01:05:41
in France or abroad, particularly in01:05:44
fr these parts these neo-Nazi fringes therefore01:05:47
there is the 8 o'clock so for the 8th of01:05:49
the alphabet there is also 18 for01:05:50
ah uh so for Hitler's initials01:05:54
uh and the 14 uh which refers to01:05:58
a sentence in 14 words from a supreast01:06:00
white American who I won't mention01:06:02
precisely uh but basically it's a01:06:04
14-word sentence in English that says01:06:06
something of the style must be preserved01:06:08
the future of the white race for our01:06:09
children it's pretty much this01:06:12
content there and therefore very often it is01:06:13
digital codes which are01:06:14
used either independently or01:06:16
combined with each other01:06:18
especially in nicknames on Instagram01:06:20
telgram or others or on different on01:06:22
different publications yeah p us01:06:24
says where is the numerology of neo-nazis01:06:26
good luck and hulkumi 88 deputies to RN to01:06:29
The national assembly01:06:32
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coincidence so some don't end up01:06:37
not with its codes which were therefore more01:06:38
subtle like this soldier who01:06:40
chosen for nickname on Instagram Balas01:06:42
SS then or this other which uses for01:06:45
biography I'm sorry I don't know what01:06:47
it's the big B how is it pronounced01:06:49
M r h TR I think I didn't learn German01:06:52
no longer in high school I studied Spanish01:06:54
also uh but in any case it's the01:06:57
motto of the SS my honor is called01:06:59
loyalty which came back quite01:07:01
regularly therefore either in the01:07:02
Instagram biographies but there are none01:07:04
evil who had tattooed him on the Tor on01:07:05
the forearm or elsewhere so the same01:07:09
left quite little doubt quite little01:07:11
doubt regarding their belief and01:07:13
and what that was referring to there01:07:15
there are still some who we01:07:16
explained that it was not at all a01:07:18
reference to Nazism but that it was01:07:20
simply values honor and01:07:22
loyalty then it is true that honor01:07:23
loyalty is it's the01:07:25
motto of the Foreign Legion uh01:07:27
but I admit that01:07:29
legionnaires who are not German01:07:32
who get this motto tattooed when01:07:34
even with this very wording01:07:35
specific in German I have a little01:07:38
I had a little trouble believing in them.01:07:39
explanation to all German LV2s01:07:41
in chat yes antiam it is pronounced01:07:43
s good pronunciation it's double s ok01:07:47
very good yes TR me too I hope that01:07:49
next time I have some stuff01:07:51
German it will be nicer things than01:07:52
only Nazi stuff01:07:54
the legionnaire Danilo P no one to01:07:57
not to be confused with the former legionnaire01:07:58
Danilo Pagliaro no no adhering to01:08:00
Naasie ideology is to make it clear01:08:02
for him in fact it's it's it's01:08:04
unhappy and this is what we specify in01:08:06
black box but it's so it's a01:08:07
former legionnaire who has activities01:08:10
public I don't know exactly01:08:11
which but in any case01:08:13
hit whoever you can easily01:08:15
find on on Google by typing its name01:08:18
who contacted us following the01:08:19
publication of our investigation because01:08:20
he was I guess he had been01:08:22
contacted and basically no one thought that we01:08:24
talked about him when talking about so this01:08:25
danil Lopé and in this case it is01:08:27
simply a homonym so that's what01:08:28
is not that person and it is01:08:29
why we specified it01:08:31
uh following the publication of our01:08:33
investigation as mentioned in the box01:08:34
black so this legionnaire Dani Lopé01:08:37
aim posted photos on Instagram01:08:39
showing these equivocal tattoo on01:08:41
the belly a Celtic cross on01:08:43
the shoulder the slogan White Pride between the01:08:45
homoplates an eagle surmounting a sun01:08:47
popular black in the movements01:08:49
neo-Nazis and in particular that of01:08:51
accents of mysticism and esotericism01:08:53
black sun featured on the cover01:08:54
of the Brenton Manifesto tarnishing the01:08:57
Australian terrorist author of01:08:58
killings leaving 51 dead in two01:09:00
mosques in Christchurch in01:09:02
New Zealand composed of 12 letters01:09:05
GIS of the runic alphabet the same which01:09:08
split forms the ah yes emblem of the ASS01:09:10
the black sun was notably01:09:12
depicted on the marble floor of the01:09:14
bevelsburg castle in germany to whom01:09:17
by himler in 1934 with the aim of01:09:20
make a center for the development of01:09:21
Nazi racial theories and location01:09:23
ceremony for the SS who runs this the the01:09:26
black sun it is an emblem which is01:09:27
still relatively unknown to the general public01:09:29
but which is very clearly becoming democratized01:09:32
in quotes in spheres01:09:33
neo-Nazis or who is who is frequently01:09:35
So we used the example that we had01:09:37
that we finally had the reference that we01:09:39
had mentioned for that speaks a little to01:09:40
general public it is in fact the fact that01:09:42
this this symbol had appeared on the01:09:44
cover of the Brenton Manifesto01:09:45
tarent uh but it's a symbol of01:09:48
coupon found very very frequently01:09:49
in Tattoo especially often on the01:09:51
elbow01:09:52
uh different from more than not01:09:55
evil of these neo-Nazi soldiers and it is01:09:57
a symbol which is which is regularly01:09:58
now used by the far right01:10:00
by the militant far right on01:10:03
different productions whether in01:10:05
video on their stickers on their01:10:06
posters and others01:10:08
logos here we are on very questions01:10:10
precise Mr. Hson 2015 it's a pure01:10:13
chance that the famous DCA cannon of01:10:15
crup had a caliber of 88 c a hmage01:10:17
disguised as Mr. mustache so I don't01:10:19
couldn't say I'm not one01:10:20
weapons specialist I see everything01:10:22
does what it's an 88 cannon uh01:10:24
but I don't know and I suppose that01:10:26
answer may be in the date01:10:27
of design I don't know exactly01:10:29
when is it from I love it because it01:10:31
ask the practical questions that I have01:10:32
in the head but do these01:10:33
tattoos are made directly in01:10:35
the tatou shop are there any closures?01:10:37
ordered because it would have been discovered that01:10:39
neo-Nazi tattoos were done in01:10:41
such and such a place uh so I don't know01:10:43
don't know exactly what their01:10:45
tattoo artists I didn't ask them for that01:10:46
reference advice from maids01:10:48
addresses in any case the fact is that it01:10:51
y01:10:52
there is, I have already seen it turn in any case01:10:55
in far-right groups01:10:57
in far-right conversions into01:10:58
a bit of a different effect between them01:11:00
they share the good ones a little01:11:01
addresses of this tattoo artist in this place01:11:04
and is a comrade as they say and01:11:06
so yeah they say comrade sometimes01:11:08
sometimes written with a K01:11:10
uh but but so yes they are a little01:11:13
passed the the the good addresses between01:11:15
tattoo artist quotes be little01:11:18
looking at this armadillo whoever01:11:20
share these same beliefs ago01:11:22
notably uh one so I think I know01:11:26
not if that was the case for one of these01:11:28
one for C these different soldiers no01:11:30
naazis but there is an Italian tattoo artist01:11:32
which is very close to the movement01:11:33
Casapound which is a movement01:11:34
Italian neofascist who comes01:11:35
regularly in France and who has tattooed01:11:37
many extreme activists finally01:11:39
French activists01:11:41
extreme so for now there is01:11:43
a little indeed a few01:11:45
famous tattoo artists in quotes in01:11:47
in the middle that these different01:11:50
activists will see when they want to01:11:51
get different things tattooed01:11:55
ok it's not just on his body that01:11:57
Danilo shows his fascination in01:11:59
the apartment of the one who comes from01:12:01
left the Legion cup and saucer SS key01:12:03
next to a figurine of Benito Mussolini01:12:06
and a bottle of Adolp Affig beer01:12:08
he really had a very beautiful01:12:10
IKEA bookcase with exclusively01:12:13
Nazi books and little ones01:12:17
goodies reference to Nazism to fascism01:12:21
Italian and Cera and Cera so a dec01:12:23
tion of very good taste and it01:12:25
documented all of this once again on01:12:26
them on social networks he showed01:12:28
his his espresso machine next to his cup01:12:30
finally who sips his coffee in his01:12:32
cup and saucer with logo01:12:35
SS contact Dani Lopé after01:12:38
took note of our questions and01:12:40
made it known that he did not want01:12:41
respond and that he therefore forbade us01:12:42
to distribute his photos so as I01:12:44
told you we therefore contacted him and01:12:46
the occurrence he answered us then not01:12:47
our questions but so we have included01:12:50
uh according to the principle of contradiction that01:12:53
no response to our to our article more01:12:56
still problematic these soldiers01:12:57
no longer hesitate to glorify Nazism01:12:59
not only on social networks01:13:00
but also within their regiment itself01:13:02
several photos and videos show in01:13:03
effect of flags and other symbols01:13:05
unequivocally displayed within the very01:13:06
barracks in a short video filmed in01:13:09
December 2019 around ten soldiers01:13:11
celebrate Christmas in front of an ornate black flag01:13:12
of a Celtic cross symbol used by01:13:14
many far-right movements01:13:16
notably white supreacists on a01:13:18
another photo taken in a room01:13:20
distinguishes a similar flag thus01:13:22
than a poster of a commem of01:13:23
events called dakaarenia where is found01:13:26
every year the best of the ultra01:13:28
European right to commemorate the01:13:30
memory of three young activists of01:13:31
Italian neofascist party MS located in 7801:13:35
that's what I was saying earlier01:13:36
but suddenly it’s definitely about the presence01:13:38
of a certain number of these symbols quite01:13:40
explicit it's very explicit in the01:13:42
barracks and and there in this case at01:13:44
left is what I mentioned earlier01:13:45
the time but it is therefore the photo of a01:13:47
of a refrigerator in a barracks01:13:51
memory of a Legion barracks01:13:52
foreign if M memory ir are uh where01:13:54
we see drawing in a way all the same01:13:57
quite visible especially for the one at the top01:13:59
so what I see must be01:14:00
made with straw or other and we01:14:02
B with stickers but there are two01:14:04
swastikas that are drawn on this01:14:06
fridge which is located in the parts01:14:08
communes of the barracks or in any case01:14:10
in a location that is easily accessible01:14:13
more anecdotal number of soldiers01:14:16
maybe but just as revealing01:14:18
this photo seems to be what I'm going for01:14:20
reread since you just read it01:14:22
some Contin continues to demonstrate01:14:24
their opinion in full operation among01:14:26
they find the legionnaire Nikita01:14:27
hash the one who has fun filming01:14:29
black children in gu in guyan doing a01:14:31
Nazi salute last month he broadcast01:14:34
memories of his participation in01:14:35
2020 at Operation Barkan the mission01:14:37
French government aimed at fighting against01:14:39
armedist groups in the Sahel in addition to01:14:41
photos of him holding a gun01:14:43
assault in a bandouillère he publishes a01:14:45
video of a young black child01:14:46
obviously forced to do a series of01:14:48
pumps in the desert we hear the01:14:50
encouragement gogonard and the jonire01:14:52
with the cameraman visibly in the way01:14:54
nquita ha he comments in Ukrainian then01:14:57
in russian pump dirty [ __ ] what is01:14:59
you thought French food01:15:00
is distributed01:15:02
free Nikita h's attitude with01:15:05
his black children in Guyana as in01:15:07
Mali illustrates the serious problem posed by01:15:08
the employment of military personnel with convictions01:15:10
neo-Nazis in the context of operations01:15:12
the French army because they are01:15:13
racist, these men are armed to the point01:15:15
find themselves in a situation of bullying01:15:17
mistreated humiliating individuals in the name01:15:19
of France and once again on the01:15:22
the tip of the iceberg in these two cases01:15:25
figure so it's these two videos01:15:27
it is this same legionary Nikita H who01:15:29
filmed them then broadcast on the networks01:15:32
social on a public account uh we don't01:15:35
can only assume and imagine uh that he01:15:38
could there be others other than others01:15:41
similar events may have taken place01:15:44
without it being filmed or01:15:46
the images are broadcast publicly01:15:48
on on the networks01:15:50
social major of the 35 329th promotion of01:15:54
the national non-commissioned officer school01:15:56
active duty Sergeant Victor G integrates into01:15:59
2019 the 3rd I don't remember what to01:16:03
what did that correspond to as a regiment uh01:16:06
it's regiment uh there I have a doubt01:16:09
it's the marine infantry troops01:16:10
ah yes that's it uh but I have a doubt01:16:12
on the P good the suspense remains profitable01:16:15
parachute infantry regiment01:16:16
marine I have a doubt I don't know if there is01:16:17
has specialists because you have it01:16:19
quoted I think at the beginning of01:16:22
the article01:16:29
that's the parachute regiment01:16:30
infant01:16:33
navy we could then imagine gone01:16:36
the time when he wrote about himself01:16:38
Instagram be in dubaai hashtag at01:16:40
the enemy or enhance a photo01:16:42
showing shaking hands with a man01:16:44
asian with a racist butt01:16:46
their smile often hides their01:16:47
forbri hashtagnem hashtagfe01:16:49
hashtagnouille hashtag I even understand01:16:51
not the01:16:54
good yet since the Malian desert where01:16:56
he is engaged in 2020 as part of01:16:58
the barcan operation Victor jbor one one01:17:01
symbol tattooed on the triceps that of01:17:02
C3G that too I learned thanks to you01:17:05
so that for now it's it's not01:17:06
a shared reference he it's it's a01:17:09
these are these are the sentences01:17:10
following but it's a play on words01:17:12
extremely subtle which was invented01:17:14
by a certain number of activists01:17:15
the far right from Lyon uh so the01:17:18
the acronym of their group which a01:17:20
informal group it's officially C3G01:17:23
for Sigale 3 gramé so the logo is01:17:26
a01:17:27
wedge with a01:17:30
star sword a spider web i01:17:32
believe behind and except that when he he01:17:36
repeat a little quickly or when he01:17:38
pronounce this Sigal 3 correctly01:17:42
gramé actually turns into the acronym C01:17:47
gamé sorry I said to myself yes it is01:17:49
subtle I say to myself in that because in01:17:52
indeed we see this famous canvas01:17:54
spider uh ah really tattoos01:17:58
this questions the gentleman in the chat said01:18:00
but the tattoos having been part of the01:18:01
sad process of the final solution01:18:03
were there citizens at the time01:18:04
of Germany Nazibating tattoos or01:18:06
Was it prohibited by the regime in place?01:18:08
was there already this idea of01:18:09
get a tattoo of gams crosses or01:18:11
why were you convinced01:18:14
so I'm not sure I don't think01:18:17
in any case I have never heard of01:18:18
of of I don't know c of the SS who had01:18:21
crosses Games tattooed uh if I01:18:23
don't be mistaken so I wouldn't want to say01:18:24
anything but it seems to me that the01:18:25
SS soldiers finally got tattoos01:18:27
it wasn't on purpose it was a01:18:29
obligation their blood group uh on01:18:32
the body it seems to me at the level of01:18:33
the armpit to be able to identify their01:18:36
Sangin group in the event that it was01:18:38
injured more easily and01:18:40
PIR resorting to transfusions01:18:44
yes blood transfusion had but beyond01:18:47
of of of this this specific element I don't01:18:50
I don't know, maybe you'll have to ask me01:18:51
I don't know if there are historians who01:18:52
work on the history of tattooing and01:18:54
Nazi tattoos maybe maybe01:18:56
but I don't know if other Nazis are01:18:58
had other symbols tattooed on01:19:01
the time number of the 50 new cases01:19:04
revealed today before their01:19:06
incorporation already published on the01:19:07
social networks content in01:19:08
which he displayed their fascination for01:19:10
Nazism then how to explain its01:19:12
hole in the racket mentioned by01:19:14
Florence parli interviewed on July 1401:19:16
2020 by France Info the day after01:19:18
first revelations from Médiapart and we01:19:20
will note that we have a lot01:19:22
finally beautiful no I don't know we have01:19:23
criticized this formula for a hole in01:19:25
the racket uh that's not our terms01:19:27
these are the terms of Florence spoken and in01:19:28
effect a racket is by definition01:19:29
hole uh but01:19:32
this is perhaps in the means put to01:19:35
fill these gaps in a notice of the01:19:37
national defense committee and01:19:39
of the armed forces regarding the project of01:19:40
the finance law for 2021 we discover01:19:43
that regarding credit and research and01:19:45
exploitation of intelligence01:19:47
interesting the security of France there01:19:49
where the DGSE budget is marked by01:19:51
an increase of 310%01:19:53
that of the drsd falls by 14.6%. It is01:19:57
one of the rare elements we have on the01:19:58
question of means as I told you01:20:00
just now the drsd finally the01:20:02
Ministry of the Armed Forces did not respond01:20:03
exactly finally did not respond to our01:20:04
question about what was what were01:20:06
really the means put at the01:20:07
provision of the drsd for to make01:20:10
this verification work01:20:11
verification process and01:20:13
investigation about the different01:20:15
people who recruit and01:20:16
different soldiers but in any case01:20:19
what this report tells us01:20:21
it is that the budget B of the drsd on01:20:24
that year was down and then01:20:27
that the author of this opinion the deputy01:20:29
Fabien goutfard points out a need for01:20:31
protection of the defense sphere which01:20:32
leads to the which leads the drsd to01:20:35
ramp up quickly to01:20:37
transform and modernize and the chosen one of01:20:39
specify among other things that to fludify01:20:41
the tool authorization process01:20:43
decision support will be put in place01:20:44
in01:20:45
2021 when we interviewed him in the summer01:20:48
2020 the Ministry of the Armed Forces admitted01:20:50
by construction we do not have the01:20:52
ways to follow our publications01:20:53
140,000 staff when they speak01:20:55
on the Internet not everyone reports01:20:58
their military status in their01:20:59
publication or speaking under a01:21:01
other identity a minority of soldiers01:21:04
express themselves via their personal account on01:21:05
social networks or on sites01:21:07
extremists without the army01:21:08
may they01:21:09
detect a year later relaunched on the01:21:12
flaws that our investigation points to01:21:14
ministry of the armies responds that the drsd01:21:16
carries out immense and crucial work01:21:18
in order to prevent any incursion of this01:21:19
type of ideology in the armies but01:21:22
as Madam the Minister of the Armed Forces had01:21:24
the opportunity to say it is necessary01:21:25
intended to remain humble because no one01:21:27
detection device is not01:21:30
infallible on France Info Florence01:21:33
parli had made a firm speech01:21:34
regarding military cases01:21:36
neo-Nazis revealed 4 days earlier by01:21:38
miapart we are very attentive to01:21:40
this because it conveys an ideology01:21:42
which has no place in our armies01:21:43
are extremists, revisionists01:21:46
you have to take this a lot of01:21:49
seriously this is what we do and01:21:51
this is why the ha commandment01:21:53
is immediately grasped it is not01:21:55
because they are carars that we01:21:56
we must not take01:21:58
sanction this voluntarist speech has not01:22:00
was only partially followed by the facts01:22:04
its photos that we haven't seen yet01:22:06
yeah totally it's another one01:22:07
legionnaire uh and so it's two01:22:10
side by side photos uh which were01:22:12
published on also its one on its01:22:14
Instagram account from memory that of01:22:17
left and the one on the right was01:22:19
published on his vcact account if I01:22:21
remember vcact it’s a network01:22:23
social quite similar to Facebook which01:22:25
is very popular in Russia and01:22:26
Eastern Europe and therefore it is a01:22:27
legionnaire in this case I don't know anymore01:22:29
exactly what was his nationality01:22:30
but but who was from Europe01:22:32
from the East and so on this on this sound01:22:33
vcact or VK profile he had this photo01:22:37
of him which shows him carrying one of a01:22:40
military cap with different01:22:43
different Nazi emblems and in particular01:22:45
a a Totten COP this famous kind01:22:48
skull which was the emblem of a01:22:49
of an SS regiment on October 2101:22:53
the father of an alpine hunter pinned in01:22:55
the first media survey left us01:22:56
wrote to complain that his son01:22:58
after covering his tattoo01:23:01
laass motto had 40 days cut01:23:03
shutdown and had to be degraded for a01:23:05
duration of 6 months before the army01:23:07
delighted and told them definitively01:23:09
so for the anecdote, it's not01:23:13
so anecdotal as that, this soldier in01:23:14
question this alpine hunter we didn't have01:23:16
detailed his case in the article in01:23:18
question in fact so it's a whole01:23:21
young soldier uh alpine hunter who01:23:23
finally got a tattoo who had the01:23:24
the motto of the SS tattooed on on01:23:26
the forearm uh which is one of the rare ones in01:23:28
in any case my knowledge uh to have been01:23:29
dismissed from the army following our01:23:32
investigation uh and we got this news01:23:34
it hasn't been that long since we had it01:23:35
written eh in a that's why01:23:36
I talk about it we wrote it in another I01:23:37
I wrote it uh in another paper for01:23:39
mdiapart uh since uh this this ex01:23:43
military suddenly uh left uh in01:23:48
Ukraine to fight on the front uh01:23:51
he writes finally he still has his sa01:23:54
SS quote tattooed on on01:23:55
the forearm in any case to my knowledge01:23:57
he made little SS symbols01:23:59
black sun and other Nazi references01:24:02
on the case which is always sold on the01:24:04
social networks of his beliefs01:24:06
neo-Nazis and he fought finally he01:24:09
would have fought in Ukraine in any case01:24:10
he went to Ukraine he spent a01:24:11
some time uh and uh he came home01:24:15
in France he now has uh it must01:24:18
about 6 months it seems to me01:24:19
memory and he was arrested at the station01:24:21
cradle road back from du du01:24:23
front in Ukraine with in his luggage01:24:27
of military equipment in01:24:30
memory occurrence of loaders01:24:31
assault rifle and scopes01:24:34
uh he was with another Frenchman he01:24:37
It seems to me that we had written about this01:24:38
phenomenon which he illustrated01:24:41
is an example on the question of these01:24:43
French people who went to fight in Ukraine01:24:45
some of whom have returned or will end01:24:47
perhaps by returning and of which a certain01:24:49
many are far right if not01:24:51
neo-Nazis so unfortunately do01:24:53
that he had covered his tattoo it is01:24:55
not redemption uh no a priori no01:24:58
and I I then I I I don't know anymore01:25:00
exactly but from memory I I believe01:25:02
not having seen photo of with his tattoo01:25:04
covered but maybe he has it01:25:05
in any case it's not because he01:25:07
covered his tattoo that he changed01:25:08
conviction since there are photos01:25:09
quite recent from him uh in Ukraine01:25:11
as I said where where it appears with01:25:13
a whole bunch of neo-Nazi symbols on01:25:15
the uniform he takes the photo he takes01:25:17
takes the break with different symbols01:25:19
and CEA and they left to leave they he01:25:22
he left in this case uh01:25:24
fight on the Ukrainian side like like01:25:27
many of the French who left01:25:29
fight there in the world of finally since01:25:31
the Russian invasion of Ukraine01:25:33
2022 a similar story was told to us01:25:36
about tedd m a non-commissioned officer of the01:25:38
2nd foreign parachute regiment which01:25:40
had adorned his body with an imposing01:25:42
black sun on the shoulder of a COF totem01:25:44
on the arm and the motto of laess on01:25:46
the torso according to a source close to the01:25:48
file the non-commissioned officer had to cover01:25:49
only one tattoo the others having been01:25:51
made internally upon its entry into01:25:53
the legion and like the alpine hunter01:25:55
be sentenced to days of arrest but01:25:58
unlike this last case tedy is01:26:00
from what we were able to observe01:26:02
still military in a published photo01:26:04
February 1, 2021 is taken in the01:26:06
bar of the 2nd regiment barracks I don't01:26:09
know more01:26:11
the acronym foreign regiment01:26:12
parachutist he appeared in the company of01:26:15
fellow legionnaires, two of whom01:26:17
They are in our list of01:26:18
neo-Nazis according to the source close to the01:26:21
file already cited it is said this ser01:26:23
regretted being too precious to be01:26:25
totally fired it's quite a case01:26:27
emblematic because it is one of the01:26:28
case that we mentioned in our in the01:26:31
first part of this series01:26:32
investigation h and in this case it was01:26:35
once again on this issue of01:26:37
face emerge from the iceberg and uh and01:26:41
almost this side anyway a little01:26:43
crazy wondered how the army could01:26:45
miss such a profile we have it01:26:48
description has been made has been has been read01:26:50
he is this soldier in this case01:26:52
he's still covered in tattoos01:26:53
neo-Nazis uh on the arms on the torso01:26:56
et cetera with references01:26:58
absolutely explicit and moreover01:27:01
before of it's it's it's it's very01:27:03
he has been a neo-Nazi for a long time and he was01:27:06
particularly quite active in the circles01:27:08
skined neo-Nazi in Eastern France01:27:11
when he was still a young legionnaire01:27:13
now it's been a while01:27:14
that he is in the Foreign Legion in01:27:15
in any case it was on the date of01:27:16
publication of our investigation I don’t know if01:27:18
now it's still there uh so that01:27:21
do a certain a certain time whoever he01:27:22
was active in these circles that he01:27:24
displayed his convictions uh he had01:27:26
uh and in fact it was enough to type01:27:28
first and last name on google to find01:27:31
on tons of finally tons one01:27:33
a number of articles from01:27:34
blog post publications and01:27:35
cetera with photos of him photos01:27:37
of him and these Nazi tattoos and01:27:39
photos of him and articles and01:27:41
blog posts notably written by01:27:42
anti-fascist activists01:27:44
the East of France who spoke of this01:27:46
tdy uh giving his his full name01:27:49
uh and the fact that he would be involved01:27:52
in a number of attacks01:27:54
violent actions et cetera and which01:27:55
already said who wrote black on white01:27:57
in S B blog that it was so skin01:27:59
neon naasie involved according to these01:28:01
people in a C name of shares01:28:02
violent and that moreover he was01:28:03
already at the time of the facts in the01:28:06
Foreign Legion it still seems to me01:28:08
finally it seemed quite enough to us01:28:09
crazy it's 2023 well 2021 pu01:28:13
investigation but for almost any01:28:15
what position now I think of for01:28:17
recruiting almost anyone01:28:19
what an intern almost I think01:28:20
many employers or people who01:28:21
work in HR just type01:28:23
the person's first name on Google01:28:25
or on Facebook uh for even01:28:28
that taking a look it seems quite crazy to01:28:30
to say that the army does not do01:28:33
Gosh obviously I still have one01:28:35
once at the army chain yes indeed01:28:37
we can't wait for investigations01:28:39
pushed on all profiles01:28:42
however you enter the first name of a01:28:43
no one on Google if the army01:28:46
reasons the occurrence doesn't even do that01:28:48
it still raises questions about what type of01:28:50
control they can implement01:28:53
asked about the reality of the sanctions01:28:55
mentioned by Florence by the ministry01:28:57
of the armies tells us that in July01:28:58
2020 C military have already been01:29:00
heavily sanctioned, two of whom were01:29:02
subject to cancellation without specifying01:29:04
what is the content of the sanctions01:29:05
heavy always mentioned during01:29:07
the intervention of Florence spoke on01:29:09
France Info the Minister of the Armed Forces had01:29:11
said we are very attentive to01:29:12
time of their recruitment there is a01:29:14
service for which it is the responsibility01:29:16
ensure that those who01:29:17
join do not convey this type01:29:19
of ideology except that as you say01:29:21
even said an elementary research that01:29:23
move on so I don't know if they01:29:25
Don't do a Google search01:29:26
typing the first name of the person I01:29:27
don't know how they do this01:29:28
research uh but the fact is that for01:29:31
this tedy and for others it was enough to01:29:33
type the person's first and last name01:29:35
on either Google or Facebook or01:29:37
others for to find photos we01:29:39
cannot be more explicit it is about01:29:41
National Center for Authorizations01:29:43
defense which has, among other things, a01:29:46
social media screening tool01:29:48
it is true that at the same time01:29:49
suddenly the army communicates on the fact01:29:51
that precisely they make ations on the01:29:52
social networks so that makes me wonder about01:29:55
their ability to research01:29:57
open source we were talking about01:29:59
previously the story of luukam comes01:30:01
exactly contradict the minister01:30:04
in April 2019 Lucam shares on Facebook01:30:06
a video of the singer Bilal assassani01:30:08
frequently victim of homophobic insults01:30:10
and comments Z clombé his mother in01:30:13
reference to the pesticide used by01:30:14
Nazis in the gas chambers during the01:30:16
World War II another time01:30:18
he posts a video showing a man01:30:20
transg with comment Bur burn01:30:22
burn be drunk BR drunk on Instagram Lucas01:30:25
poster in the summer of 2019 wearing a t-shirt01:30:28
the glory of Charlemagne's division one01:30:30
voice unit F SS composed of01:30:32
French volunteers in June 202001:30:35
participates in a far-right chat on01:30:37
t teegram messaging sharing a01:30:39
video titled race war01:30:41
anti-white fundamentalism news01:30:43
religion of the West of the neo-Nazi01:30:45
French Boris Lelé in December 2019 he01:30:49
prepare an application file for01:30:51
join the army when it comes time to conclude01:30:53
our first investigation not knowing if it01:30:55
had finally included or not miaap01:30:57
had contacted him as well as the ministry01:31:00
both of them confirmed to us01:31:01
that this was not the case we had01:31:03
so nothing to publish about him then01:31:05
that following the questions sent by01:31:07
mediapart the military institution01:31:08
knew nothing about Luuk m's profile and01:31:10
of his neo-Nazi publications the young01:31:12
man has indeed ended up01:31:14
integrate his ranks he now poses on01:31:16
social networks in uniform of the01:31:17
Legion sometimes carrying the famous Béré01:31:19
green sometimes mid of its white KPI without01:31:22
having renounced his convictions to celebrate01:31:24
its incorporation it drags to the race01:31:26
and Morace and gets a tattoo on his01:31:28
blow men frgo I don't care a famous01:31:31
motto of Italian fascism I don't show01:31:34
if you haven't seen the photos of01:31:35
it was him so that's him uh it's01:31:37
him on the left uh uh before his01:31:40
incorporation into the army enurence01:31:42
in a foreign region with therefore a01:31:43
Charlemagne division t-shirt uh to01:31:46
right it's always him uh this01:31:48
this time in Legion uniform01:31:50
foreign uh the day I believe of the01:31:52
white Ki ceremony the day he01:31:54
officially buried on the Legion01:31:55
foreigner so he poses proudly with01:31:56
his uniform he published the two images01:31:59
uh on social media on his01:32:01
Instagram account01:32:03
uh and that's how we explained it in01:32:07
the occurrence of the blow we had spotted it01:32:08
at the time of the first01:32:11
investigation uh we knew that he had01:32:12
applied to join the army01:32:14
had contacted him as part of the01:32:15
principle of contradiction he had us01:32:16
said that he had dropped that he01:32:17
had that he had not gone to the end of the01:32:19
process the army otherwise we01:32:20
had said that in fact he had not01:32:22
integrated the r of the army at the time of01:32:24
publication of our investigation therefore in01:32:25
July 2020 and in fact it turns out that01:32:28
following the publication of the01:32:29
first part of the investigation for once01:32:30
he passed he joined the Legion01:32:33
foreigner finally passed the tests01:32:34
recruitment then ends up integrating the01:32:36
the Foreign Legion and you see01:32:38
left the famous same photo published01:32:40
in Instagram story so always by this01:32:41
even military to celebrate his01:32:43
incorporation where he therefore trains the race01:32:45
and to Moras and therefore with this famous finally01:32:48
this famous flag in the background uh01:32:50
of a French flag it is marked with a01:32:53
of a Celtic cross which for once01:32:55
shot is is displayed in in the in01:32:57
a barracks just above his bed so01:32:59
very clearly these comrades of01:33:01
chambered see see this this this flag I01:33:04
assumes on a daily basis therefore one more01:33:06
times on this issue of whether to hide or not01:33:09
and in this case no it's it's when01:33:11
even quite clear and that allows you to01:33:13
document this a testimony in the chat01:33:15
from couré santoriu they know it very well01:33:17
well my partner is military he knows01:33:19
very good which colleagues are01:33:20
racists and more that F the ostrich or are01:33:22
themselves01:33:23
racist01:33:25
mLINE 66 fortunately tells us mapart has01:33:28
does the research for them he doesn't01:33:29
will no longer be able to say that he01:33:30
didn't know that in fact we do them01:33:32
research before hiring01:33:35
actually I have never been paid by the drsd01:33:36
however01:33:38
so on Saturday March 6 a legionnaire01:33:41
publishes images of the01:33:42
barbecue organized with around fifteen01:33:44
comrades all dressed in the legend of a01:33:46
photo of the outdoor table it is01:33:48
he wrote 13 dble in reference to the 1301:33:51
Foreign Legion demi-brigade based01:33:53
in Larzac on a video some01:33:56
legionnaires arrange the fruit to music01:33:58
of their agape what they listen to Cara al01:34:00
sol anthem of the Spanish fallalange and01:34:02
symbol of Francoism when they01:34:04
notice the film Lucas makes me a01:34:06
normal nazi salute which causes01:34:08
the ilarity of the one who records the01:34:10
scene another legionnaire puts his hand01:34:12
right on the heart in an attitude of01:34:13
meditation while listening to the field which01:34:15
still flourishes among the01:34:17
nostalgic for kodio Luca m takes the01:34:19
arm of his comrade and makes him do01:34:21
a Nazi salute created in 1940 the 13th01:34:25
demi-brigade of the Foreign Legion01:34:26
was one of the first regiments of01:34:28
Free French forces during the01:34:29
only world war is what01:34:31
concludes your article and this is the video in01:34:33
the occurrence that I mentioned earlier01:34:34
time so it's this famous Lucas01:34:35
which indeed therefore makes a saluasie face01:34:37
camera in front of around fifteen of his01:34:39
comrades uh and and still for therefore01:34:43
once again it displays it displays01:34:44
his beliefs in front of his comrade01:34:46
uh and for for for context when01:34:50
even uh I no longer have the reference01:34:52
accurate but it came out in a01:34:54
article from the local press it seems to me01:34:56
following our publication it had been01:34:59
answered from memory to this this diary of01:35:02
from the local press in fact the the the01:35:06
rather the question that these01:35:08
journalists from the local press at the01:35:10
13th dblele it was basically what about01:35:15
other soldiers who attended01:35:16
this scene and which probably01:35:17
probably were not necessarily01:35:20
shocked nor at all reacted to the fact01:35:22
that the music that was broadcast01:35:24
it was the Francoist himne and that one of01:35:26
their regimental comrades made a01:35:27
saasie apart from making them laugh that's not that01:35:30
It was a lot of reaction he01:35:32
finds that the soldier who filmed01:35:33
this video in this case so it is01:35:34
not Lucas it is Lucas who appears on01:35:36
the video but it's not him who has it01:35:37
filmed it and broadcast it by the soldier01:35:39
who filmed this video was a01:35:40
Spanish legionary and it was answered01:35:44
to this local press newspaper01:35:46
memory that basically the others01:35:48
soldiers who had attended this01:35:49
scene had not necessarily understood01:35:51
didn't have the references so we imagine01:35:53
very good and and that's true01:35:55
seems extremely plausible that a01:35:56
Spanish legionnaire who films who01:35:59
streams videos in more memory01:36:00
with a laughing emoji or something else01:36:03
uh don't recognize the hyne of the01:36:05
Spanish falange the imne of Francoism01:36:06
uh and don't know what what what01:36:08
which is an S01:36:10
naasie01:36:12
h I go back a little because there was01:36:15
had questions about the article in01:36:16
particular or on the investigation in01:36:19
source hop to open source because01:36:22
there what you explained to us is that01:36:24
everything was still easy01:36:25
finally uh finally easily that it01:36:27
had to search on Instagram but01:36:29
that in any case people do not01:36:30
don't be wary of that, we won't accelerate01:36:32
a lot of private profiles do01:36:35
This is always the case when you make01:36:38
research or do you sometimes01:36:39
see a little01:36:42
uh it depends a little on the themes01:36:44
so I think that's a question01:36:45
that I also spent everything01:36:46
the time on is that since the01:36:47
publication a certain number of them01:36:49
have made efforts so yes since the01:36:50
publication of surveys uh a certain01:36:52
many of the soldiers concerned put01:36:54
their profile in private where have deleted01:36:55
some certain images for all that01:36:57
no I still find it regularly and I01:36:59
continues to work long term on01:37:01
this theme there profiles of01:37:03
military neo-Nazis uh who are01:37:05
public profiles on social networks01:37:07
so there is not always a need for01:37:10
search for a long, long time for01:37:12
in01:37:14
find people over time01:37:17
n entities on which the01:37:19
investigations are carried out01:37:20
develop strategies for you01:37:22
complicate the task of an owner of01:37:24
private jet that crashes tracking sites01:37:26
so that his plane can no longer be01:37:27
followed by example do people01:37:30
are becoming more and more clever, is that01:37:31
that there is this awareness that you01:37:34
can finally find information01:37:36
so yes and01:37:37
no it's been a while now01:37:40
I have been working for over 4 years01:37:42
regularly open source on01:37:43
the extreme militant then there are01:37:46
changes at the level of the movement01:37:47
that is to say that for example when I01:37:48
started working a number01:37:50
of far-right militant groups01:37:51
notably at the time the Social Bion01:37:52
when he communicated on the01:37:54
social networks and well typically it01:37:56
did not necessarily blur the faces of the01:37:57
activists so obviously it made it easier01:38:00
their identification is now01:38:02
for a little while they blur the01:38:03
faces of activists for some01:38:04
groups even they blur sometimes they01:38:06
take a picture roughly that the01:38:07
shoes where they put tattoos01:38:09
or at least they try as hard as possible01:38:10
to make it more difficult01:38:14
task01:38:15
identification so there are forms01:38:17
of improvement in quotes of01:38:20
their part of their technique which is to01:38:21
They take maybe a little more01:38:23
precaution now good for all that01:38:26
It’s still very much doable.01:38:27
to work on these groups then01:38:29
either because we can find01:38:30
archives uh be because even if they01:38:33
take a few precautions01:38:35
often remains quite rudimentary and therefore01:38:36
we can still find images01:38:38
and that or because moreover of thread01:38:40
in needle we end up knowing01:38:43
a lot about them there is01:38:44
notably a certain brand of kakré01:38:46
Valmenier who is quite an activist01:38:48
known to far-right activist01:38:49
French about whom I have written a lot01:38:51
uh and well him for once he has01:38:52
always paid enough attention uh everyone01:38:55
his social media profiles are01:38:56
private uh he always did enough01:38:58
pay attention to what he is doing01:39:01
published himself on the networks01:39:02
social and well for all that when it01:39:03
participates in different events when01:39:04
he had other activists and so on01:39:06
uh well he still ends up01:39:07
appear on images that are01:39:08
publicly published on the networks01:39:10
social or it is sometimes also01:39:12
identifiable by some of its elements01:39:14
this wardrobe I know a lot of I01:39:16
know Marc's wardrobe very well01:39:17
of créalmier I wrote it I wrote in01:39:19
long wide across top uh but it01:39:21
was notably identified with a certain01:39:23
number of occasions in particular01:39:26
because he wears two-tone Airmaxes01:39:28
uh we wrote it and despite that it01:39:30
continues to regularly wear r01:39:32
max bicolor so sometimes he is hooded01:39:33
but with his sneakers enough01:39:35
characteristics or with such shorts01:39:37
characteristic features of his wardrobe01:39:38
then obviously as such it is01:39:40
not uh elements which alone allow01:39:43
to identify it with certainty uh when01:39:46
of different events uh but in01:39:48
in any case it allows it contributes to its01:39:51
his identification and then now he01:39:52
he also has different tattoos on his01:39:54
body he has he has gone under a lot01:39:55
the needle of this Italian tattoo artist that01:39:57
I mentioned earlier uh he had01:40:00
historically that tattoos on the01:40:01
legs so quite discreet now he01:40:02
has very beautiful tattoos on his01:40:03
elbows including a black sun of a01:40:04
side a Celtic cross on the other uh01:40:06
so it is also quite identifiable with01:40:08
through these tattoos now even though01:40:10
on the different photos its sound01:40:11
face is [ __ ] up actually that's it01:40:13
which I find quite astonishing in all01:40:15
the photos that are in in01:40:16
the article is that you could imagine01:40:18
that people who really want to01:40:19
make neo-Nazi tattoos like that01:40:21
the fae in somewhat hidden places01:40:22
and that they dare to do them on01:40:24
places that are like this exposed01:40:26
ask what about I don't know01:40:28
level of impunity or contractions01:40:30
well I think that absolutely what you are saying01:40:32
that raises questions or even that rather that01:40:33
provides information on the level of impunity uh01:40:36
concerning on the other hand his profiles of01:40:38
neo-Nazis within the French army01:40:41
once again very clearly01:40:42
the vast majority it is I almost01:40:44
want to say all of these01:40:46
military in any case for those who01:40:47
had tattoos quite a while ago01:40:49
little possible doubt about the fact that01:40:50
that their regimental comrades and01:40:52
especially their superior because it is01:40:54
there is there is there is still this01:40:56
question in particular their superiors01:40:58
when they are training when01:40:59
they play sports or something else and have seen these01:41:01
tattoo and see them if not01:41:03
daily and therefore a priori not01:41:06
react little or not or in any case yes01:41:09
it doesn't seem to really pose01:41:10
problem what and the same anyway this01:41:12
this Lucas gift that we were talking about with01:41:14
the big image TR I don't know one01:41:16
week after joining the01:41:18
Foreign Legion he decorates his room and01:41:19
he puts explicit sheets on the wall uh01:41:23
he just arrived and it's01:41:25
so ok to display your01:41:26
convictions that he puts this this flag there01:41:28
on the wall above his bed which01:41:30
does it naasis in front of his01:41:31
comrades finally it still doesn't matter01:41:33
the air and it doesn't seem to cause01:41:34
a lot of reaction so that in donation01:41:35
effect on the level of impulity and and01:41:38
certain tolerance which probably01:41:41
exists within the army or in the01:41:44
barracks in any case and in a certain01:41:45
number of barracks and rooms for01:41:47
for these practices uh a question01:41:50
so what is it considered to be01:41:52
still lint when you have to join01:41:53
telgram groups because suddenly01:41:55
it's more one you have more access to one01:41:57
information ultimately which is accessible to01:41:58
everyone because you passed a01:41:59
first step so actually it depends01:42:01
of of the type of telegram group which we01:42:03
speaks if it is a broadcast channel which01:42:05
is public or a group or chat that01:42:08
is a gift that is public or donated01:42:10
the invitation link the link for01:42:12
join this this chat is public and01:42:15
shared publicly or on others01:42:17
telegram channels either elsewhere on01:42:19
Internet well if in fact it remains a one01:42:21
open source since the link for01:42:24
the finally which allows access to this01:42:26
content is public however in01:42:28
on the other hand indeed if it is a group01:42:29
private and that it is necessary to01:42:31
infiltration going to pass01:42:32
for I don't know who and and I don't know01:42:34
write a neo-Nazi half-temp to make yourself01:42:36
pass yourself off as a neo-Nazi01:42:38
to be invited to a chat or something01:42:39
obviously that at the moment well it's not01:42:41
a source is not an open source01:42:42
and that's not something01:42:43
thing I do and therefore the difference01:42:46
is there and the difference is this01:42:47
telgram channel where this group is01:42:49
publicly accessible or01:42:52
no uh answer on how Sébastien01:42:56
found the soldiers I invite you to01:42:57
watch the Replay which will be online all01:42:58
on time because he explains it well01:43:00
at the start of the show it was therefore01:43:02
on Instagram01:43:04
yeah the coup of the aamax bicoloran finds01:43:07
it's funny and Savit that it's it's01:43:09
it's it's very surprising it catches01:43:12
my dragora maybe they are all put01:43:13
to the Air Max bcolor to blur the01:43:15
tracks and well no the Air Max bicolor01:43:17
remains a model of shoes01:43:19
basketball not very common among lesmitant01:43:21
far right so I saw some01:43:22
some but they don't have all01:43:24
same colors in this case01:43:25
memory it's white and gray there is one01:43:28
another comrade who has r max Bicol01:43:30
white and white and black and red sorry01:43:32
so they even have the same01:43:34
models the colors allow01:43:35
sometimes to identify them01:43:39
uh wait there was a question that01:43:41
I wanted to ask but I01:43:44
wanted to lose ah if from foxan Z good evening01:43:48
are you not afraid of01:43:50
represented01:43:52
uh good question I don't know01:43:54
exactly what to answer uh that already01:43:56
happened to receive threats from then01:43:59
yes uh it's not something sure01:44:01
which I01:44:02
I'm never expressed much in tone01:44:04
journalism because I don't think that01:44:05
it's so interesting then01:44:07
other journalists do it and01:44:08
communicate the fact that they are01:44:10
the C of threat01:44:12
uh for me personally it's not01:44:14
something on which I01:44:16
communicates a lot so yes it's for me01:44:17
happened in particular following a certain01:44:19
number of threat investigations01:44:21
or sometimes more finally threats of01:44:23
dead well I have a bit of a tendency to01:44:25
consider it personally, it involves01:44:27
really only me that the people who01:44:28
write to me on social networks to01:44:29
say not very nice things to me01:44:31
are generally not the ones that will make me01:44:33
whatever it is uh and that the01:44:36
the main risk that I01:44:38
course is more the chance encounter of01:44:40
meet someone in the street ave max01:44:42
Bicol with a max bicolor which me01:44:45
would recognize and who would then have there01:44:48
an opportunity to perhaps carry me01:44:51
reach uh but here I I this it happens01:44:53
there are many journalists who01:44:55
receive some it's not at all odd01:44:57
that's not at all what I want01:44:58
simply say Mo personal is not01:44:59
something that I01:45:01
express myself01:45:02
many Theran wonder quit01:45:04
the balance between the field and the work01:45:06
remote forgiveness which involves01:45:08
generally Leine is the one on the01:45:09
field then me my my specialty between01:45:13
quotation marks or in any case what the01:45:16
practice of journalism and investigation that01:45:18
I said it almost exclusively01:45:21
made in open source uh but you01:45:24
you will notice it every01:45:26
investigations that we have talked about so far01:45:28
and in particular the one on those born armed is01:45:30
surveys that I don't sign alone uh01:45:33
earlier it was particularly with01:45:34
Mathieu su and Justine Braban who are01:45:36
journalists from Méia part and therefore01:45:39
in general most of my surveys01:45:42
of my articles are written in pairs01:45:43
sometimes in threesomes with a job01:45:46
generally quite complementary that I01:45:48
carried out with these other journalists from01:45:50
the editorial team of media partart in01:45:51
general me so I play the part01:45:52
open source investigation in and01:45:55
he or she does a job01:45:57
sometimes complementary to the field of01:45:59
report uh sometimes interviews or01:46:03
information from others01:46:05
other means with other techniques01:46:08
between more classic quotation marks01:46:09
journalism whatever sources uh01:46:12
or from the report or or what do I know01:46:14
but so in general we work like01:46:15
that in a fairly complementary way in01:46:17
pair or trio and I do01:46:20
uh so to speak no land at01:46:22
physical sense I could say between01:46:25
quotes that my land01:46:26
it's the internet sea Mulard who asks01:46:29
do you meet people01:46:30
between journalists who investigate the01:46:31
ground of the extreme right or is it01:46:32
that it's everyone in their own corner or in01:46:34
its writing01:46:35
uh so I don't know personally01:46:38
finally if I met someone01:46:40
other journalists who work01:46:41
on extreme01:46:42
right to name them I I already have01:46:44
met Christophe Cécile Garnier who01:46:46
works at Street press on ex01:46:49
arurabo also equal but there is01:46:51
other journalists who have worked01:46:53
for SC press now who are at01:46:54
Liberation in this case who work01:46:55
surêmeite pierre plu and maxime massé01:46:58
I have already communicated with eu by message01:46:59
but I never met them01:47:00
physically so there is not one01:47:02
brotherhood a friendly of journalists01:47:04
who work on the far right01:47:06
uh that's it and then obviously for01:47:08
the other journalists who01:47:10
work at mediaap share on the subject01:47:11
for now I meet them I01:47:12
meets regularly whether in the01:47:14
work or next to the famous question01:47:17
on artificial intelligence what01:47:19
impacts it is likely to have on the01:47:20
syint01:47:23
uh vast philosophical question V vast01:47:26
question01:47:28
uh so there is a bit of a question of01:47:31
particularly around images which are01:47:32
generated by artificial intelligence01:47:34
This is a question I often get01:47:35
asked in training I admit that at01:47:37
personal title so far I have01:47:38
never seen an image generated by01:47:40
artificial intelligence which itself uh01:47:44
extremely credible and that we cannot01:47:45
not for which we cannot say01:47:48
relatively easily and with01:47:50
often a little critical thinking and01:47:52
a little perspective that it is an image which01:47:54
is which is false or which is tampered with01:47:56
or generated by artificial image good01:47:59
it is a technology that is developing01:48:01
more and more so there will perhaps be01:48:02
these problems which will arise from01:48:04
more concrete way or more01:48:06
important in in a in a future01:48:08
close in parallel to that what is01:48:10
I can say artificial intelligence01:48:13
and open source research if01:48:14
I did the I did the test for one01:48:16
ongoing investigation uh on which I01:48:19
work01:48:20
ement of to use to test to try01:48:24
to use chat GPT to write01:48:26
snippets of code to write a little for01:48:29
create a tool to download a01:48:31
some information I don't know01:48:33
coding as such I can manage01:48:34
I tinker but I don't know how to code and01:48:36
in this case I have I have01:48:37
used GPT chat to write messages01:48:39
bits of code and one thing leading to another01:48:41
it ended up working so there for once01:48:43
rather a positive aspect between01:48:45
quotes or in any case a way don01:48:48
I was able to use intelligence01:48:49
artificial uh in Desf01:48:52
investigation well we are not particularly01:48:55
ahead of schedule but we had01:48:56
also want to talk to you about another01:48:58
example of open source work01:49:01
we take it we take 5 minutes yeah we01:49:03
can take a long time on that yeah if you want to explain to us01:49:05
a bit of the framework of this investigation yeah01:49:08
did you share the screen yeah01:49:10
she's there uh so it's an investigation01:49:13
which we published in July 2021 with two01:49:16
of my comrades Émile costar and Antoine01:49:17
[ __ ] both equally freelance01:49:20
uh who worked with me01:49:22
for Mia leaves on this investigation and it's01:49:25
an investigation then not at all to01:49:26
link with the militant far right01:49:28
it is an investigation into the question of01:49:29
maintaining order and in particular01:49:31
the use of a certain number01:49:32
of weapons in this case two weapons01:49:34
used by the forces of01:49:36
order in France in the context finally01:49:38
in operations01:49:40
of order namely the grenades of01:49:43
de-encirclement and grenade launchers and01:49:46
basically the starting point of this01:49:47
investigation is that we have known it since01:49:49
now finally in recent years he01:49:50
there was a lot of business01:49:52
of police violence, particularly in01:49:53
a number of cases of violence01:49:54
police linked to cases of misuse or01:49:57
non-regulatory use of a01:49:59
a certain number of weapons, notably between01:50:01
other grenade launchers or grenades01:50:03
uncircling uh sometimes doing uh01:50:06
seriously injured uh if not01:50:08
dead01:50:10
uh in this case comes from01:50:12
grenade launcher we can for example01:50:13
evoke a tense grenade launcher shot01:50:16
which had been carried out at Place d’Italie01:50:18
during a yellow G demonstration01:50:20
for the 1 year of the manifestation of the 101:50:22
year of the yellow get movement ago01:50:23
had in particular an investigation by the service01:50:25
video from around the world on this which demonstrated01:50:27
that it was therefore a shot from01:50:28
non-regulatory grenade launcher who who01:50:30
had caused the blinding of a01:50:32
demonstrator in short there were a lot of01:50:34
a lot of things around these01:50:35
questions there and basically so that was01:50:37
starting point of the investigation and this01:50:39
that what we said to each other with my01:50:41
comrades01:50:43
we all have isolated cases between01:50:46
quotation marks to resume this this this01:50:47
terminology that had been used by01:50:49
army of use case no01:50:51
weapons regulations but do we01:50:53
can01:50:54
document the fact that these different01:50:57
illegal grenade launcher fire01:50:59
or these different Getes of Granada of01:51:00
non-regulatory encirclements are not01:51:03
not isolated cases or are not01:51:05
burrs or are not exceptions01:51:06
but there is definitely a dimension01:51:08
systemic as is the violence01:51:10
police officers but there is indeed a01:51:11
systemic dimension to misuses or01:51:14
non-regulatory use of these weapons uh01:51:16
so that was the starting point and it was01:51:18
the question and to do this work01:51:20
there and to document this issue01:51:22
systemic systematic and systemic01:51:24
non-regulatory uses of these01:51:25
two weapons in question01:51:27
uh I worked from a base01:51:29
of data that I have put together01:51:31
these were freely accessible images01:51:32
once again work in source01:51:33
open it is images from an agency01:51:35
press which is called line Press which01:51:37
covers a lot of events01:51:38
social movements and other01:51:40
events elsewhere in France and which01:51:41
publishes on Youtube a good part of01:51:44
their rush so it's quite videos01:51:45
long manifesto of these01:51:46
demonstrations uh filmed in in the01:51:50
processions uh or in their in their01:51:52
surroundings and what I did was that01:51:54
I have I have constituted a base of01:51:55
data from C these images there and01:51:57
I watched all the videos of finally01:52:01
all the rush images01:52:03
wool press published on YouTube on01:52:05
all events between 2016 and01:52:07
2021 in France, that is to say from the beginning of01:52:10
movement against the labor law uh to01:52:13
roughly the movement against the law01:52:15
overall security, in particular from01:52:17
suddenly by the movement of the yellow j01:52:19
uh that's a total of I no longer have them01:52:20
exact figures but roughly it tells me01:52:21
seems 130 hours of videos01:52:24
demonstration so I watched them all01:52:26
these images uh I isolated all the01:52:29
sequences which showed either gunshots01:52:31
grenade launcher or grenade shots01:52:33
so I isolated these these images I have them01:52:35
listed et cetera and then I01:52:37
does some analytical work01:52:40
systematic then from memory in total01:52:42
we had set a certain criteria01:52:44
to try to have an approach then01:52:45
it's the most scientific possible I have01:52:48
I don't claim to have made one01:52:49
scientific work far from it but01:52:50
in any case we tried to have one01:52:51
the most rigorous approach01:52:53
possible and also to be very01:52:56
transparent about our approach we put01:52:57
the entire database and01:52:59
the criteria etc. in open access01:53:01
so that other people can01:53:02
can use this same basis of01:53:04
data what has been done01:53:05
quite recently by in a survey of the01:53:06
video service of the world in short we had01:53:09
recovered from memory about 350 to 40001:53:12
g Exploitable encirclement grenade and01:53:14
about as many shots as01:53:15
grenade launcher and the question of the hit on01:53:17
these on all these shots and all these throws01:53:18
of Granada was to determine whether01:53:20
or not they were regulatory then01:53:21
there are a certain number of criteria01:53:24
it's a bit technical but basically for01:53:25
to put it simply and from memory01:53:27
therefore the grenade launcher shots to be01:53:29
regulations must be carried out in01:53:31
bell that is to say that the weapon at the moment01:53:32
of the shot must be the barrel of the weapon must01:53:33
be inclined at an angle of 45° and01:53:37
for grenades and encirclements01:53:38
the get must be carried out at the rat of01:53:41
soil rat of the soil is the term that is01:53:43
used in the various manuals and01:53:45
cetera then we had a lot of difficulty01:53:47
have a definition of what is it01:53:48
means ground rat uh uh it wasn't01:53:50
encrypted in the different documents01:53:51
that we got hold uh that's it and we did01:53:54
this work of verification and it01:53:56
It turns out that then the numbers are01:53:57
in the paper but therefore from memory for01:53:59
51% of Grenada get from01:54:03
deencirclement that we have been able to document01:54:05
lesg are non-regulatory uh and for01:54:08
18% it seems to me to be shots from01:54:10
grenade launcher shots are no01:54:13
regulatory and therefore uh by these01:54:15
figures documented what I was saying01:54:17
what we answered to the question01:54:19
that we initially asked ourselves for this01:54:21
investigation to know the character01:54:23
systematic and systemic uh of my01:54:26
uses of misuses or uses not01:54:28
regulation of these weapons in01:54:29
manifestation I also specify that01:54:32
that doesn't mean it was also01:54:34
documented it's not because a shot01:54:35
finally the I don't know because a shot of01:54:37
grenade launcher or grenade throw is01:54:39
done in a regulatory manner that it remains01:54:41
not that it is not dangerous and01:54:42
that there were no cases with01:54:44
seriously injured or others uh we this01:54:46
that we asked ourselves the question01:54:47
that was the question of the shots, no01:54:49
regulatory01:54:53
I don't know if we have time01:54:55
or not to show perhaps the beginning of01:54:57
the video yeah why not we can01:54:59
show an ex if you want or else01:55:02
indulgence I don't know the sound where01:55:04
is he going to come out is he going to01:55:06
go out if you want alon turn off the sound and01:55:10
I do01:55:11
the explanation is01:55:13
So that's a jet grenade, right?01:55:15
regulatory it is a01:55:16
grenadecerclement place de l'Etoile at01:55:18
moment of yellow g and onit very01:55:19
clearly this grenade is thrown01:55:22
is absolutely not thrown to the ground rat01:55:24
and so you see it explodes01:55:26
level of the heads of the demonstrations which01:55:28
is obviously extremely dangerous and01:55:30
in this case we have a beautiful01:55:32
sequence on which a certain number01:55:33
of CRS police officers carry out a whole01:55:36
pile of grenade launcher shots from the same01:55:38
non-regulatory way we see there for01:55:39
it is very very clear that the01:55:40
barrels are not at all inclined at 45°gr01:55:43
but that it is the tense shots carried out01:55:45
towards the demonstrators so that01:55:48
already caused a number of01:55:50
injured, in this case it is the01:55:51
images of Jérôme Rodriguez who had been01:55:53
blinded following a J gr of01:55:55
decircling Place de la Bastie at01:55:59
Paris is the images01:56:01
of illustrations Gren a little is that01:56:04
and then we explain it, here it is01:56:06
the inpress database therefore01:56:07
these are all the videos that are freely accessible on the channel01:56:09
Youtube of the in press we list01:56:12
then all here are the dates of01:56:14
demonstrations at which we01:56:15
was interested in the period the list of01:56:16
all events and all01:56:17
videos we have that I have01:56:19
consulted you were alone in fact you say oh01:56:21
but it's you who did all this01:56:22
work then yes the the work of of of01:56:24
investigation and identification of01:56:26
images and CER I I did it alone by01:56:28
against the work of achieving01:56:29
the video was made collectively with01:56:31
Émile costar Antoine dear who as a result01:56:32
also signed the survey with me here01:56:35
we explain that we have for each of these01:56:37
images in this case from Granada01:56:39
determined if they were regulatory01:56:40
or not or if they were in if we we01:56:44
had a doubt about the if was in01:56:46
a sort of error walk between01:56:47
quotes that we tried to take01:56:49
into consideration uh to produce these01:56:52
numbers and then the video01:56:54
detail of the shot for the grenades01:56:55
encirclement the operation01:56:57
rules et cetera uh and the different01:56:59
criteria but that's it, it's a big one01:57:01
encirclements which therefore project01:57:02
rubber palaces I have you01:57:05
put the link but I will put it back01:57:07
in the chat like that you can hop01:57:09
watch it quietly01:57:15
yes sorry I cut you a little because01:57:16
that I took a little by the time when01:57:19
even well because we still have things01:57:20
to say to yourself and it's already 9:30 p.m.01:57:24
shouldn't we take a break uh01:57:27
per beaver and the time of this moment per01:57:30
beaver you can continue to ask01:57:32
questions about the work of course of its01:57:34
basstin and we take the questions as they come01:57:36
and as jingle pre castor01:57:39
tell us a story even two01:57:42
stories no uh valc the light doesn't go01:57:45
not turn off because we are01:57:47
new on the 5th floor and it's on the 3rd floor01:57:49
where she has a break only at 7 p.m.01:57:51
imitation desdou do you have this01:57:53
talent no I don't have this talent and I'm going01:57:55
I'm not going to take that risk.01:57:57
would like to continue working as01:57:59
that P for miaap part I don't have a permanent contract01:58:01
so I wouldn't want to take any risks01:58:02
useless in this matter hello hos01:58:04
political os imitated Edou in front of him and we01:58:07
see how it ended since it01:58:09
work more for my part per hour01:58:10
current ah well done can we see01:58:12
also how it ended i.e.01:58:14
that if you want to put your helmet on01:58:15
give moments that I leave to you01:58:18
appreciate edoui who imitates Zul who01:58:21
imitates01:58:22
eduv subscribe common causes01:58:26
of01:58:27
equality subscribe is what we want01:58:29
It doesn't necessarily happen again01:58:31
that's it yes Fabien he knows how to do a lot01:58:34
of imitations Fabien escaloda but yes he01:58:36
doesn't hold it well it's B in short so01:58:40
end of the parenthesis imitation of edoui01:58:43
the Father Beaver or Mother Beaver moment01:58:45
according to01:58:46
the guest is the moment when the person01:58:48
so who told us about his work will01:58:51
tell us a little more this time- about01:58:52
his tastes and here are the links that I have01:58:55
sent uh sbastien do you have01:58:58
Would you like to tell us about what you01:58:59
want in the order you want so we01:59:01
is on a book selection quite01:59:03
I selected some books so it's01:59:04
a little special, I'm not just that but01:59:06
I tried to choose things in01:59:07
more or less direct link with the01:59:11
subject of the show uh maybe01:59:13
to contextualize a little uh the01:59:16
first book in this case so it's01:59:17
a book by Ernst Junger called01:59:19
steel storm uh it's something01:59:21
enough which seems quite important to me01:59:24
when we work in this case as01:59:26
like me I do it but on the extreme01:59:28
right on the militant far right01:59:30
it's an article finally I discovered this01:59:32
book and in this case er schunger01:59:34
the author of this01:59:35
book through an article that was01:59:37
published a number of years ago01:59:38
from memory by France Soir then before01:59:40
that France Soir becomes what it is01:59:42
that it is what it is at the URE news01:59:44
journalists, that’s what was a01:59:47
interview of two from memory 2 activist01:59:50
from a group finally from the zoave Paris group01:59:52
uh produced by two journalists Maxime01:59:55
mass and Pierre more than I mentioned everything01:59:56
by the hour who works at Libération01:59:57
now and one of the questions who who01:59:59
asked these activists what was it02:00:01
that they have in their library and I02:00:03
I was still a very young journalist02:00:05
at the time I was just starting to02:00:07
work on on the far right02:00:08
activist uh and the answer02:00:10
of these activists had finally02:00:13
had cited I don't know about ten or more02:00:15
fifteen authors uh and I02:00:18
didn't know much uh or at all02:00:20
case there are few that I knew02:00:21
actually located there were a few02:00:23
names that I had already heard anyway02:00:24
but but here it is and among other things there02:00:26
had er sunger that I discovered like02:00:29
So that's a funny way of02:00:30
discover a book uh but the idea being02:00:33
well I think that to work on02:00:35
on a movement working on02:00:37
political activists02:00:38
uh as far away as we can be that02:00:41
our personal ideas can be02:00:42
of these people there and in this case02:00:43
I have little in common with the02:00:45
neo-Nazis you you in you can you02:00:47
doubt it uh but that's when02:00:49
even important to know a little02:00:50
their reference and to try to02:00:52
understand in quotation marks what they02:00:54
have in their heads and their vision of02:00:56
things et cetera and and it's also02:00:58
important if only to be able to02:00:59
work on it because when02:01:00
you will read their their their leaflet02:01:02
when you see their communication02:01:04
their visual and Cera well you have to be able to02:01:06
identify their reference then I read02:01:08
in the chat that wasn't a Nazi in it02:01:11
worry because they say they got it to me02:01:12
recommended to M again this book maybe02:01:14
all my colleagues say it's02:01:15
naziis I say I am not saying at all that02:01:17
Ernunger is a Nazi but therefore02:01:19
so that's how I discovered02:01:21
the existence of this author and therefore for02:01:24
situate er sunger therefore he is a writer02:01:26
German and in this case stormassier02:01:29
it's a book he wrote about his02:01:31
experience of the First War02:01:32
worldwide it is a very well-known book he02:01:33
on his on the First War02:01:36
world side02:01:37
German and who has a little la la who la02:01:41
particularity finally a ser in02:01:42
the occurrence is his testimony to02:01:43
through this book and and quite interesting02:01:48
finally interesting part especially because02:01:49
that snger actually fought pant la02:01:50
entirety of the First War02:01:51
world from 14 to 18 uh on the German side it02:01:55
was injured in large numbers02:01:56
times and is systematically02:01:57
returned to the front he notably02:01:59
been on the front line a lot02:02:00
was part of the shock troops of02:02:01
the German army so he has a02:02:03
experience through this book02:02:05
extremely concrete of the combat and this02:02:07
which was the first world war there02:02:08
actually kept a diary throughout02:02:10
of of of the war from which he02:02:13
he drew this this testimony and so it is02:02:15
one of the key testimonies of the02:02:17
First World War on the side of02:02:19
the German army and therefore02:02:22
nger was not was not a Nazi for02:02:24
as much as he has in the years02:02:25
20 been one of the influential figures of02:02:28
the extreme right or in any case02:02:29
of a certain number of movements02:02:31
German nationalists in particular of this02:02:33
that we have what is called revolution02:02:34
German conservative and so I think02:02:36
that it is very important to read this02:02:38
book if we want to understand a little who02:02:40
are the activists02:02:41
extreme right in France because02:02:43
they themselves read it and they themselves02:02:44
often site in everything they refer02:02:47
in fact in this book he appreciates02:02:49
in particular I think the the the story of02:02:52
fights the perception of war and02:02:54
the the the the the question of the the role of02:02:58
the war of violence et cetera in02:03:00
the company and a number of02:03:03
elements particularly around the02:03:04
question of the relationship to modernity02:03:05
way in which the fight and the evolution of02:03:07
combat in the first world war02:03:09
with these famous storms of asser basically02:03:11
the horror of war and02:03:12
bombing and and and the appearance of02:03:15
of an S of technological leap for the02:03:18
say in a rather summary manner in02:03:20
the armament and intensity of02:03:22
bombings et cetera has evolved02:03:23
the combat the relationship with the adversary02:03:26
the relationship to the question of honor02:03:28
et cetera, soldiers and all02:03:31
of a whole generation and so there you have it02:03:33
that's what they do in particular02:03:35
many references he identifies himself in02:03:36
part of that in any case to a certain02:03:39
perception of all that so there you have it02:03:41
This is a very interesting book.02:03:42
well written which I think is quite02:03:46
essential02:03:47
to try to02:03:50
understand the the the subject and what02:03:53
think a certain number of these activists02:03:55
far right in France uh there you go02:03:58
for the first the second the hands of the02:04:01
miracle of Kessel Joseph Kessel then02:04:03
I discovered Joseph Kessel not long ago02:04:04
very long time finally I discovered I02:04:05
when started reading Joseph Kessel ago02:04:07
not very long ago I fell into a02:04:08
kind of bulimia of Kessel I read02:04:11
a certain number of these works at the02:04:13
then this one I found for me02:04:16
Partly interesting it's a02:04:17
story that I discovered02:04:19
through this book which is a story02:04:21
true then who is romanticized uh and who02:04:23
the story of a doctor who02:04:26
was himler's doctor then02:04:28
he is a doctor who was absolutely02:04:29
not a Nazi he found himself for a02:04:31
a number of reasons to be the02:04:32
himler's personal physician who therefore02:04:35
initially suffered from terrible words from02:04:37
big belly to put it simply02:04:39
uh and this doctor was so good02:04:42
to treat his stomach aches02:04:43
through these massages which are provided to02:04:46
himler that he had he managed to have in02:04:48
sort of ascendant in quotes on02:04:50
himler and so during of these02:04:53
massages uh when himler was twisted02:04:56
pain and well he massaged it in02:04:57
parallel to that he told her ah that02:04:58
would still be good to release such02:04:59
or such person or not to execute02:05:02
such and such a person and under the02:05:05
in this this form of ascendant between02:05:07
quotes that this doctor had managed to02:05:09
to have on on himler himler accepted02:05:12
of of of of releasing a certain number of02:05:14
people so it's a true story02:05:15
uh which is romanticized I repeat but02:05:17
very very well written very very well02:05:19
writes good KL it's it's I think that02:05:21
a lot it will speak to a lot of people02:05:22
but then I discovered this book02:05:23
recently there was an indirect link02:05:25
with the question of the extreme right02:05:27
uh so there you go and finally the trisème02:05:32
the great journey of George sprint which a02:05:35
book on deportation so sorry I02:05:36
my book selection is not02:05:38
more02:05:39
fun but once again I wanted02:05:41
do something related to02:05:43
theme of the show so it's a02:05:45
book on deportation that I read02:05:47
quite young who had a big impact on me02:05:50
uh and which in this case a book which02:05:52
essentially carries finally if not02:05:54
exclusively on the the journey in02:05:58
train carried out by the deportees and02:06:01
on the horror of of this of the02:06:04
deportation uh and that a testimony of02:06:07
George champprin who is a Spaniard who02:06:09
was deported which for once has a02:06:11
survived if I'm not mistaken uh and that's it02:06:14
so it's also so as not to forget uh02:06:16
uh also since earlier we have been talking02:06:18
of Nazism of neo-Nazism with a02:06:21
certain number of references which sometimes02:06:22
can lend a smile to the half hello02:06:24
Nazis and others but Nazism02:06:28
neo-Nazism it's very it's very concrete02:06:30
it has a very special history with02:06:33
notably the Choa and VO I think that02:06:36
it is also important to remember02:06:38
remember that even if it has perhaps been a02:06:40
little it's quite banal than what I'm saying02:06:42
there for a lot of people I think02:06:43
who listens to us but no but02:06:46
it's good to say it again since we are a02:06:47
little in the councils there is Valka who02:06:49
we are told that I was advised of the arrival of02:06:51
capibaras by Alfredo sodergut for one02:06:53
child you know against the fear of02:06:55
foreigners who arrive no I don't know02:06:58
this book uh no sorry so we can02:07:01
not tell you if it is validated or not by02:07:02
Sébastien but since we are talking about books02:07:04
do you want to tell us about your02:07:06
book I am surprised that TER is not asked02:07:07
questions because usually from02:07:08
What is a guest who wrote a02:07:10
book he asks questions about it uh02:07:13
yes I can talk about it so that's it02:07:14
very awkward moment when I have to show a02:07:15
little TV self-promotion happens that I have02:07:19
writes a book which here the camera is there02:07:21
we will get there02:07:23
that's it so I'm not going to make any02:07:25
crates because it's it's I put02:07:27
very simple to put the link in the02:07:30
cat its work like that but so i have02:07:33
I wrote this book which was published in02:07:35
last March to Editions du Seuil which02:07:37
for the moment does not relate directly to02:07:38
the militant far right even if it has02:07:39
obviously a link in terms of02:07:41
thematic since it is a link which02:07:43
book which actually concerns the02:07:46
anti-fascist movement in France02:07:49
in particular on its history more or less02:07:52
recent mainly on the 1002:07:53
last years of the movement02:07:56
anti-fascist in France, you know it02:07:58
speaks very very very often, particularly to02:08:01
the occasion of a certain number of02:08:02
social movements or a certain number02:08:03
of events of this famous figure of02:08:05
antifas or antifa which is often02:08:08
synonymous with black block breaker or02:08:10
others he has a lot of editorialists02:08:11
on a certain number of TV sets which02:08:13
TV set who likes who likes a lot02:08:15
repeating that a little to your head is a little02:08:17
the the spectrum chif red background that we02:08:19
that we agitate and for all that the antifas02:08:21
anti-fascist activists and activists02:08:23
express themselves very little, we know very little02:08:26
of things and so I tried to02:08:28
through this investigative work02:08:30
meet as much as possible I did02:08:31
nearly 70 interviews with activists02:08:33
and activists throughout France02:08:35
different groups of different02:08:37
common because there is it's not a02:08:38
monolithic block movement02:08:39
antifascist far from there there is there is02:08:41
different currents there are rivalries02:08:43
there are tensions between different02:08:45
groups between different currents and02:08:46
ceetera and so I tried to02:08:47
meet these people02:08:48
to interview them to produce02:08:51
maintenance to try a little02:08:53
already understand what it is to be02:08:54
anti-fascist activist and activist02:08:55
today what is the story of02:08:56
antifascist movement what are the02:08:58
different groups which are these02:09:00
people from a point of view perhaps a02:09:01
a little more personal and sociological hence02:09:02
they come how do we02:09:03
finds himself being an activist and an activist02:09:06
or anti-fascist activist today02:09:08
what does it mean to them and02:09:10
for her especially during this period02:09:13
uh rise of the far right of02:09:16
dissemination of his ideas to a wide field02:09:19
of the political spectrum et cetera and02:09:23
cetera there you go listen there is someone who02:09:26
read your book in force chat02:09:27
Mustang FO 3 which says excellent book02:09:29
very fair thank you very much uh so for02:09:34
I don't know who higher up in the chat02:09:35
said is there a Paypal link?02:09:37
to help Sébastien buy his02:09:40
book and subscribe to miaap I guess02:09:43
subscribe completely Thérence02:09:47
I saw your question, sorry, I did02:09:48
not posed since we are in the middle02:09:49
general state of the information02:09:51
are the data that the powers02:09:52
public could make public and which02:09:53
be useful in your work02:09:57
uh good question so I asked myself02:09:59
not too calm because I'm not I02:10:01
don't rely much on powers02:10:03
public to make public02:10:04
information that interests me in particular02:10:05
on the far right activist I am02:10:06
not sure what this is uh I don't know02:10:08
what I would dream of having access to02:10:10
I would like to know what it does02:10:12
res in open sources and02:10:14
maybe maybe maybe I know02:10:17
not have access to then some of02:10:19
their databases to search02:10:21
Nazis or others here you go02:10:23
monagora tells you the identity of the Nazis02:10:24
Simply, that's it, that's it, but anyway02:10:26
at the same time I might be unemployed02:10:28
SO02:10:29
so there you go no I don't know02:10:32
exactly what type of information02:10:35
possibly he could make it public02:10:36
I admit that I don't expect much02:10:38
well in any case on the subjects me on02:10:39
which I work from because I02:10:41
don't know what power02:10:43
publ make public of the bases of02:10:45
data or information I am not02:10:46
sure that there is much that can02:10:48
but where in any case apart from in my02:10:49
wildest dreams but I don't believe them02:10:51
very sorry terérence02:10:54
uh I will soon we will soon02:10:58
leave you doubt it it is02:10:59
9:41 p.m. uh we have announcements before that at02:11:03
make you02:11:04
uh for those who are on the island or in02:11:09
the surroundings of the island the méia festival02:11:11
leaves the 15 dates everywhere in France that02:11:14
keep going it's almost over so it's02:11:16
now or never finally erance02:11:19
unfortunately there is no more02:11:20
sock at the store sorry but it02:11:23
left of t-shirts left of t-shirts02:11:25
on the other hand and Gour des verr finally02:11:28
in short I think that everything remains at m02:11:30
I don't have any socks either that said02:11:31
but no, I have two Paes we02:11:33
will negotiate after the issue with angelstar02:11:36
Terence exactly finally I have unless02:11:38
Terence has changed his mind since02:11:40
last stream o said it would pass02:11:41
a head to lî uh I put you the I02:11:44
you put the link quite and there02:11:46
will belong to other people02:11:49
iconic Mia hand there will be02:11:50
then there will be Edou all the same in particular02:11:52
especially quickly which will make a02:11:54
introduction 15 minutes so then02:11:57
It's probably 15 minutes, I'm there02:11:59
don't believe for a second but you will tell us02:12:02
then how long did it last?02:12:04
there will also be a team in any case02:12:06
from the Michelenberg newspaper which is02:12:07
journalist at P investigates there will be02:12:09
Valentine Auberti and Len Bredou new02:12:11
editorial director there will be Michel02:12:13
Cora du P ecology Donin02:12:18
journalists at the center and02:12:19
besides that you have already seen how02:12:21
Michell I m Michael Cora on on02:12:25
twitch I have one more thing for you02:12:28
say we have offers at the moment hop02:12:32
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