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in Minden video pretty sure uh uh has00:00:05
begun part three of this conversation00:00:10
between Jordan Peterson and Stephanie00:00:12
molecule kind of trying to outline some00:00:16
sort of how to live or how to live a00:00:23
good life or two I don't know the00:00:28
architecture of belief I mean it's such00:00:30
a such a strange title the the idea is00:00:35
to understand things accurately and to00:00:39
understand how they work not only and00:00:42
the real question is is what is it to00:00:45
understand what it is to be a human00:00:47
being is it really just about making me happy00:00:50
now00:00:51
Jordan Peterson will talk like he00:00:54
understands that if your only goal is to00:00:57
be happy you're pretty much an imbecile00:00:59
that there's a bigger context to your00:01:02
existence and so I have met afford this00:01:06
sort of to the idea that we are both00:01:09
maze runners that is we live in a00:01:12
environment and that we have the power00:01:15
through democracy and communication with00:01:18
each other and the capacity to join00:01:21
groups and have our group take control00:01:24
of government and and change things that00:01:28
we're actually building the terrarium00:01:30
that the future at least will live in00:01:32
and that we will live in in part and00:01:36
then that gets into the questions where00:01:38
I argue and that most people aren't00:01:42
applying any good judgment to that role00:01:46
they are in terms of maintaining the00:01:48
time share so to speak the idea that yes00:01:51
you've you you're you know the space00:01:55
you're living in is a space that's going00:01:57
to be occupied by the future and that00:02:00
you have a responsibility like with a00:02:02
timeshare or something not to you know00:02:05
overflow the bathtub and rot the floor00:02:08
under the bathroom so the next year00:02:12
through it or something you have some00:02:13
certain obligation to leave the place at00:02:16
least as well as you got it if not00:02:18
better and that none of these archaic00:02:21
philosophies or ethics had nearly enough00:02:25
of that component in them because00:02:28
clearly even the current generations and00:02:32
the ones near previous even though they00:02:35
were made up of a bunch of war heroes00:02:37
and sacrificers and do-gooders clearly00:02:42
you know they invented things like00:02:44
deficit spending and environmental00:02:47
exploitation and all kinds of clearly00:02:52
unsustainable behaviors but also00:02:55
behaviors that were clearly exploit00:02:57
inist in the sense of you know taking00:03:01
advantage of other people's their00:03:06
vulnerability to be taken advantage of00:03:08
the fact that they didn't have a nation00:03:10
with nuclear bombs or because they they00:03:13
couldn't compete with us on some level00:03:15
where we weren't at some we had we00:03:20
didn't have any rank that we earned00:03:23
through any process that was any more00:03:26
sophisticated than rolling dice and we00:03:29
happen to be the lucky ones00:03:31
you know who fell into America00:03:35
and then we you know removed the the00:03:39
previous residents took over and then00:03:43
you know and then even started breaking00:03:45
deals like when we found out00:03:47
oh there's oil under the Indian00:03:49
Reservation you know the land we gave00:03:51
them forever00:03:52
oh there's oil under there so yeah let's00:03:55
just break the deal okay yeah that's a00:03:57
deal breaker00:03:59
so it's just all kinds of shenanigans00:04:00
and [ __ ] so obviously those old00:04:02
ethics weren't nearly strong enough to00:04:06
prevent humanity from being from human00:04:10
beings and Americanists you know just as00:04:13
the British were earlier obviously these00:04:16
Christian ethics didn't stop them from00:04:20
doing things that were really awful00:04:23
like slavery00:04:24
and so it just doesn't make any sense to00:04:27
sit there and argue that we need to00:04:29
repackage those wrong ideas and apply00:04:35
them to building a better future and I00:04:40
think they're still looking through00:04:42
glasses completely tainted by their own00:04:45
self-interests and not understanding00:04:48
that the future isn't going to have00:04:50
necessarily their interest we don't need00:04:54
to build a word world for Homer Simpson00:04:56
because we don't have to make Homer00:04:58
Simpson you know it can be that simple00:05:00
yeah we can make a world that just00:05:02
doesn't have to have a trough you know00:05:05
for Homer Simpson to eat out of all00:05:09
right that's so I'm just saying to me00:05:11
the only valid way to have the00:05:13
conversation is in this context that00:05:15
just we have personal interest our00:05:17
personal interest in all of these kind00:05:19
of discussions about what should00:05:21
socially be invested in we have to be00:05:28
really careful to make sure our personal00:05:30
interests aren't corrupting the00:05:32
conversation I think it's really00:05:34
difficult I mean I use an example like00:05:36
that some of some of these arguments00:05:38
about sexual preference and sexual00:05:40
identity you know there'll be people who00:05:43
say look there's nothing it doesn't00:05:45
matter if you're homosexual you're00:05:47
heterosexual there's no difference if00:05:50
you're capable of being satisfied is the00:05:52
real question you know fully00:05:56
appreciating your sensuality or00:05:58
something and who cares what the00:06:01
mechanism through which you do that with00:06:03
someone's you're not hurting anybody and00:06:05
all that kind of crap there's no real00:06:08
right answer to the question and the00:06:12
natural blueprint is just so obviously00:06:14
contrived for one purpose it isn't00:06:16
contrived for human gratification it's00:06:20
contrived for the purpose of you know00:06:23
accidentally creating children I mean00:06:26
yeah there's absolutely no you know most00:06:29
animals don't know they're reproducing00:06:31
when they're enjoying their sexuality00:06:34
and00:06:36
so there's not any you know rational00:06:39
connection between these things so00:06:41
anyway so so the argument could be made00:06:42
that people would say well it doesn't00:06:43
you know it's okay to to raise a kid to00:06:47
be either one and this is the real point00:06:49
is is that it does matter you can you00:06:52
know you can sway children in all kinds00:06:56
of directions00:06:58
that's what maturation is the fact is00:07:02
they're being programmed and you can00:07:05
fiddle with that programming and so00:07:09
there's this aggressiveness by some00:07:11
people to say that no it must be my00:07:13
identity must be fairly represented in00:07:16
the programming of children and so the00:07:20
argument gets that kind of almost silly00:07:23
where you're having an argument about00:07:24
whether you're going to make homosexuals00:07:28
or whether you're going to make people00:07:30
with somewhat messed up or ambiguous you00:07:39
know identity and clearly you could00:07:43
argue that why make anything more00:07:45
complicated than it already is00:07:47
so you can make these simple arguments00:07:49
that the idea would be is to make things00:07:51
simpler not more complicated and so that00:07:54
would be one rule but you could say you00:07:57
know should found or two should lie00:08:00
underneath the conversation but it's00:08:02
very hard to have the conversation the00:08:04
point I'm making isn't it isn't about00:08:07
making a judgment on that subject the00:08:08
point is is that clearly our personal00:08:11
interest our personal sense of identity00:08:15
perverts our opinion and we should be00:08:19
able to acknowledge that so anyway so I00:08:23
can just argue that these people have00:08:25
huge prejudices against liberal politics00:08:32
because they think all it's trying to do00:08:34
is defend weakness when no in most cases00:08:40
what it's doing is defending brokenness00:08:44
you know you you can think of it as a00:08:47
disability of a kind00:08:49
and so liberals are basically just00:08:53
saying yes I think we have to make00:08:55
provision for the people who are not00:08:59
suited to the world we've created for00:09:03
them they're gonna need help to survive00:09:06
in the terrarium so to speak and then00:09:10
you know like I said it's got to be a00:09:11
take a tug of war about exactly what00:09:15
kind of price you pay per person and all00:09:18
of that kind of stuff I mean I made a00:09:19
remark in the last video about how you00:09:21
got shouldn't be paying you know six00:09:23
million dollars for you know an00:09:26
alcoholic with a bad liver in terms of00:09:28
medical care and the person somebody in00:09:32
the comments turned that into me saying00:09:33
they shouldn't get any care at all00:09:35
so this is why you know the conversation00:09:38
is so difficult and no we're just stuck00:09:42
in this circumstance where everybody's00:09:45
trying their best to you know solidify00:09:50
the you know where blues and their Reds00:09:55
you know the gang there's no attempt00:09:59
whatsoever to try to say look let's find00:10:02
the middle ground here let's find some00:10:04
ground that's we can stomach but this00:10:07
you know winner-take-all attitude that00:10:11
both sides seem to be intractably00:10:16
heading for this is obviously not gonna00:10:19
work but again I I'm you know I'll be00:10:23
quite honest and say I'm totally00:10:25
intractable in the sense that I'm not00:10:28
gonna accept their compromises which are00:10:31
nothing they're non compromises the rich00:10:35
we must have with us always that's if00:10:39
that's the plan00:10:40
forget it okay so I'll be enough of a00:10:46
preface to so Stefan was just talking00:10:51
about some sort of in his psychotic00:10:54
youth or something in a low moments he00:10:56
was reading his junk junk and something00:11:01
about dualities and00:11:03
whatever dimensionality some kind of00:11:05
dimensionality to our existences and all00:11:08
that kind of crap and the you know00:11:10
there's really no like I said III would00:11:14
argue that I just don't see how any00:11:15
intelligent can personally that we're00:11:18
anything other than just evolved animals00:11:20
and we are animals that can understand00:11:23
can see a much we can see much more in00:11:27
the world so when we see something we00:11:30
can see what it represents is the thing00:11:32
we can see its whole history so we can00:11:34
see a swastika and we can see World War00:11:37
two and we can see scapegoating we can00:11:40
see propaganda and we can see convenient00:11:43
ISM and we can see lots of things that00:11:45
are these mechanisms that created a00:11:47
problem and so we're not you know we're00:11:50
not we're animals living in a virtual00:11:55
world where most of the important facts00:12:00
are the ones that are not obviously00:12:05
apparent they're related to the00:12:09
properties that something has and that00:12:12
kind of stuff and but yeah but the00:12:16
foundational organism is an animal and00:12:18
he's basically sniffing everything and00:12:20
saying hey what does it smell like you00:12:22
know how does it feel towards me what is00:12:25
how what do I feel when how do i you00:12:30
know the reactions are too visceral and00:12:34
connected to their own personal interest00:12:37
and don't have anything to do with any00:12:40
kind of notion of a social interest you00:12:45
know this could be arguing you know in00:12:47
so many contexts and you know that I've00:12:49
pointed out for years that this whole00:12:51
problem of technology means that you're00:12:53
gonna have to sacrifice some freedom but00:12:55
you can't have it both ways you can't00:12:57
have an absolute freedom just as well I00:12:59
think most people know that they can't00:13:01
allow people to own bazookas and00:13:03
grenades and you know buy these stuff at00:13:05
Walmart as they know it's gonna have a00:13:08
huge spillover problem we know that we00:13:10
can't allow people to have personal00:13:12
nuclear power plants00:13:15
you know this is the danger of it and00:13:20
becomes a catastrophic danger to too00:13:23
many for too good or too little a reason00:13:26
because the necessity of somebody having00:13:29
the nuclear power plant is so tiny you00:13:33
know compared to the risk to somebody00:13:34
else's interest and so you know but00:13:40
these people smell that they smell oh00:13:42
you're against freedom well yeah no I'm00:13:46
not against freedom I'm just pointing00:13:48
out that the price you're gonna pay for00:13:50
it it's gonna be way too high so I'm00:13:54
against the price being paid you don't00:13:56
understand that I mean so it's just this00:13:59
idea who's sighted you on right the00:14:02
perpetrator or the victim you know the00:14:05
perpetrator is inevitable and they keep00:14:08
pretending you've got it under control00:14:11
when it's obvious that they don't have00:14:13
it under control that they don't have00:14:15
mechanisms in place to make to secure00:14:18
the safety of people who have no00:14:20
interest in you know why should they pay00:14:22
the price for your your fanaticism about00:14:25
how you don't feel free unless you have00:14:28
a gun well why should somebody who00:14:31
doesn't have that fanatic notion be the00:14:34
one who's going to be the victim of your00:14:37
your reckless00:14:40
you know devotion to freedom where you00:14:44
put the guns in the hands of lunatics00:14:47
which they obviously are doing okay of00:14:54
you know the man and the woman the evil00:14:55
and the good the good and the evil if00:14:57
you're an ecosystem of intense sometimes00:15:01
conflicting deep and powerful00:15:02
psychological manifestations in a sense00:15:06
you have enough of a world within that00:15:09
the question of meaning becomes that's00:15:10
relevant because the right things just00:15:12
saying if you haven't enough since00:15:14
narrative personal narrative you're00:15:16
personally caught up in enough desire00:15:18
and want and avarice and greed and all00:15:21
that kind of stuff that somehow meaning00:15:23
doesn't mean anything well personally00:15:25
again so I don't know what the point of00:15:27
this is I mean00:15:28
if this if this these seminars by these00:15:31
people are to sit there to solve your00:15:33
boredom problem that's a different00:15:35
conversation than solving the problem of00:15:38
our very dysfunctional social system00:15:43
which has these obvious dysfunctional00:15:47
elements that these people would both00:15:49
concede exist richness of your own00:15:53
experience gives satisfaction enough00:15:55
yeah that you don't necessarily have to go00:15:57
and say I need some imprinted hand stamp00:15:59
meaning from some other group because I00:16:01
right now it's just kind of funny that00:16:04
these people think that's the the00:16:07
diamond of liberalism is something that00:16:10
we're somehow people are telling you00:16:12
what's meaningful I don't think that was00:16:15
have anything to do with the free love00:16:18
movement or anything to do with what00:16:20
progressives have any interest in doing00:16:22
is telling you what to want they're just00:16:24
saying you can have what you want you00:16:28
know without making a mess have depth00:16:32
enough to be my own meeting I don't know00:16:38
so so again this idea that it's about00:16:40
what you're having and it's not about00:16:43
recognizing that maybe you're paying too00:16:45
much for something like dropping the00:16:47
nuclear bomb to end world war two when00:16:49
it was going to end anyway00:16:52
you know these are really complex00:16:54
questions and to just have this glib00:16:56
attitude that well as long as you know00:16:59
we didn't feel it I didn't get a radiate00:17:01
so what's the big deal00:17:02
you know I mean it seems that void of00:17:07
any kind of recognition that these costs00:17:10
to benefits involve real people I mean00:17:14
just because it doesn't happen to you00:17:16
doesn't mean it doesn't happen so this00:17:19
idea that I feel fine so it must be00:17:22
working right capitalism must be working00:17:24
fine because I'm fine I would say that00:17:29
if you if people shoulder enough00:17:33
responsibility the question of meeting00:17:36
with vanish you know so again that's00:17:38
just make any sense but whatever I mean00:17:41
finding00:17:42
that you're living a broken system that00:17:44
you can say born into a world where a00:17:46
bunch of unsustained a bunch of pigs00:17:49
have been living in the condos and now00:17:52
you're gonna you're going to your00:17:54
timeshare to live out your piece and you00:17:56
find out that this is structurally00:17:58
dangerous that whole thing's a mess and00:18:02
that any investment you make in it00:18:04
okay might just get earth quaked away00:18:07
that the whole thing might just turn00:18:09
into nothing so why should you spend ten00:18:11
years of effort to build something just00:18:14
to watch it destroyed by this this all00:18:18
of these elements that are going to00:18:20
destroy it it's like building your house00:18:22
you know on the sandbar I mean it's just00:18:26
rational just sort of wonder maybe00:18:28
that's not a good idea00:18:31
look here's here's some experiment I00:18:34
used to do with my my students it's not00:18:36
something I have in my class anymore but00:18:38
I've replaced it with something else but00:18:48
you want to set the world right look00:18:50
around just look around look and look00:18:56
for things that you know for something00:19:00
that isn't arranged in some manner that00:19:02
Europe that you're happy about so look00:19:04
for something that bugs you you can ask00:19:07
what practice practice fixing so yeah00:19:10
that's probably a good idea practice00:19:12
fixing things probably a good idea00:19:15
can't hurt but once you've practiced and00:19:19
get the idea that oh you know if I just00:19:21
move this over here it works so much00:19:23
better because I'm you know a me00:19:25
dexterous and so sometimes I want to be00:19:27
doing it left-handed sometimes I wanna00:19:29
do it right you know yeah that's really00:19:31
fantastic but again that doesn't really00:19:34
have anything to do with the bigger00:19:35
subject because we know that you still00:19:38
have to have a solution okay you can00:19:41
know saying I fixed it because I move00:19:43
something that isn't necessarily the00:19:46
truth you didn't fix it unless where00:19:48
you've moved it works better and00:19:50
understanding what works better is the00:19:53
tricky part here00:19:54
that's what the smart people have to00:19:56
start having conversations about I'm in00:20:00
this room I'm in the kitchen whatever00:20:02
there's something in here that I could00:20:03
set right okay00:20:05
go set it right that's just the right00:20:07
size for you you can see what's wrong00:20:09
and you can fix it so what I used to do00:20:11
with my students is I'd say okay look00:20:13
you you go find something like that and00:20:15
then I want you to try to fix it00:20:18
document okay I remember one kid you00:20:25
know the interesting thing would be see00:20:27
if any of his students have done00:20:29
anything useful with their lives since00:20:32
being a student of his selling Bibles I00:20:36
mean what what have they done what00:20:38
innovation or brilliance have they00:20:40
contributed to political discourse for00:20:44
example she was so somehow he was going00:21:22
to college apparently it wasn't so00:21:25
dysfunctional that he couldn't make it00:21:27
to his college classes how much00:21:34
resistance he encountered you know how00:21:36
hard it was to to organize the household00:21:43
totally yes we are people of habit so00:21:47
you can make the same argument if I went00:21:49
to some rich person's house and I00:21:51
pointed out how look you're spending00:21:53
three million dollars a year just to00:21:56
survive00:21:57
okay just on food okay you're partying00:22:01
whatever that is your entertainment blah00:22:04
blah blah and you know your manicures00:22:06
and your hair00:22:07
styles and you're you know all of this00:22:09
stuff three million dollars just to get00:22:12
through your life you know and I could00:22:14
oblige them to cut that in half and they00:22:17
would find it insufferable totally00:22:20
unacceptable part of this experiment and00:22:28
that's the thing is that there are00:22:29
unsolved problems that are just your00:22:32
size waiting around for you everywhere00:22:34
and if you would just fix them just00:22:37
attend to those problems you'd find that00:22:39
your life got so meaningful that you'd00:22:40
hardly be able to stand it oh I mean00:22:42
really so so he's really arguing okay00:22:46
that if you spend your set their time00:22:48
obsessing about managing every over00:22:51
managing your managing - OH - you know00:22:53
you've seen people I've seen people like00:22:56
this obsessed with vacuum vacuum vacuum00:22:58
back and back and back in vacuum dust00:23:00
dust dust dust dust yeah but yeah okay00:23:04
their life has function in the sense00:23:06
that they're busy but this is a valuable00:23:09
function and this will make you happy00:23:12
when you know most of those obsessive00:23:15
people don't look very happy to me they00:23:17
look pretty distracted and upset and00:23:19
stressed over a crap that doesn't matter00:23:21
you know ah there's a there's a chip on00:23:24
the paint on my house you know and00:23:26
they're just this ah there's a scratch00:23:27
on my car let's all get hysterical00:23:29
that's happiness no that's not that's00:23:34
stupid yeah that's right that's not00:23:44
that's just running in the wheel okay00:23:47
that's just a rodent running in the00:23:49
wheel okay that's just having an00:23:51
obsession and going I'm obsessed I'm00:23:53
obsessed I'm obsessed I'm obsessed I'm00:23:55
obsessed that's not living in my opinion00:23:59
it's pointless perfectly appropriate00:24:05
answer for that I mean first of all we00:24:07
should point out that's a pretty easy00:24:08
hunt so if your doubt is serving your00:24:12
uselessness then you might question you00:24:14
don't if your doubt is serving your00:24:16
uselessness then you might question your00:24:19
doubt00:24:23
I don't think anybody's gonna print that00:24:25
on a freaking bumper sticker you know00:24:31
what to say to that what the [ __ ] could00:24:33
that mean it really hit me hard he00:24:40
thought that the most important event of00:24:42
the 20th century was the Nurburgring and00:24:45
and the reason he said that was because00:24:49
he believed that Europe roughly speaking00:24:52
had come to a consensus not that there00:24:55
were some things that were00:24:57
transcendently good but that there were00:25:00
some things that were transcendently00:25:02
evil that you did not get to do no00:25:06
matter what your background no matter00:25:08
what and that was what was called crimes00:25:09
against humanity and so Wow whatever I00:25:14
mean that's another really complex00:25:15
subject this whole idea of it somehow00:25:18
again we dropped a nuclear bomb not00:25:23
because we had to okay but because it00:25:26
was expedient for us and so I mean these00:25:31
questions about when it's okay to you00:25:34
know torture citizens I mean the00:25:38
bombings and even even the Nurburgring00:25:42
the carpet bombings we did you know the00:25:45
little kids with their legs blown off00:25:47
because it was expedient even though the00:25:50
war was yes we're winning let's that's00:25:54
you know it'll be efficient that we just00:25:56
you know forget about some collateral00:25:58
damage a rock okay00:26:02
this the they're leaving Kuwait that00:26:05
they they have conceded okay they are00:26:08
surrendered essentially we bomb them00:26:12
rather surrendering while they're00:26:15
leaving we burn them to death00:26:21
we haven't learned anything the idea00:26:26
would be that you don't get to well00:26:29
let's let's let's we can push this to a00:26:32
limit that everyone would agree with you00:26:34
don't get to people all right00:26:38
what a terrible just an awful example00:26:41
right because that only happened like00:26:44
three times or something there's only00:26:46
like three lampshades if there's any at00:26:48
all I mean there was no plant popping00:26:51
out lampshades I mean it's just you know00:26:54
a silly story it's like saying that00:26:56
because Jeffrey Dahmer skinned or ate00:26:59
some people there four Americans are00:27:02
cannibals I mean it's just so useless to00:27:07
the fundamental arguments of the things00:27:11
that happened in World War two the00:27:12
bigotry the segregation the things you00:27:15
people support this is the irony right00:27:17
the the censure the the idea that you00:27:21
really do want to label people inferior00:27:24
you don't have enough IQ points00:27:27
[ __ ] you I mean it's disgusting but00:27:30
that's just so hilarious I mean to bring00:27:33
up you know to use an example of a00:27:39
hideous awful thing that happened to00:27:43
human beings you know World War two and00:27:46
the 50 million just wasted deaths and00:27:50
all the collateral damage involved there00:27:53
all the stuff destroyed all the00:27:55
civilization destroyed all the lives00:27:57
ruined and to talk about fricking00:28:01
lampshades I mean jeez I'm sorry that's00:28:06
just so [ __ ] clueless I have to say00:28:09
that's just so clueless this guy doesn't00:28:13
have a clue it hasn't really thought00:28:16
about any of this okay maybe we can00:28:22
start with how that's wrong okay well if00:28:25
you're round to this that puts you in a00:28:27
rough position is it wrong or not well00:28:30
if it's not wrong fair enough man you go00:28:32
ahead and decide that and you live00:28:34
according that presupposition and see where you00:28:36
give that's exactly how you win in the00:28:40
current system so I don't know yeah I00:28:42
don't even understand what he's thinking00:28:43
here that kind of marginalized the rest00:28:47
of the human race and maximize your own00:28:50
and self-importance is exactly the00:28:52
Commerce we have in the world it's00:28:54
exactly why Bhopal happens it's exactly00:28:57
why the corners get cut and the workers00:29:00
die I mean this is just an amazingly00:29:04
disconnected pile of rubbish those00:29:08
people win idiot and we should have00:29:12
rules in place where we minimize the00:29:16
capacity to win with that [ __ ]00:29:19
attitude right well so you can't even00:29:31
describe the opposite of being turned00:29:33
into a lampshade and what would the00:29:36
opposite be you win a fake gold medal00:29:38
you inherit a million dollars yes you00:29:41
get rewarded for doing absolutely00:29:42
nothing of merit you can't so again this00:29:51
identifying evil anybody wasting their00:29:54
time trying to identify evil is doing00:29:56
exactly that wasting their time it's a00:29:58
fringe phenomenon okay evil is a fringe00:30:01
phenomenon the point is is that there's00:30:05
people doing things that are00:30:06
constructive and destructive and trying00:30:09
to understand what is destructive00:30:10
behavior and trying to understand what00:30:11
is constructive behavior I would argue00:30:13
it's pretty simple in the sense that you00:30:16
can certainly know well let's first look00:30:18
at your intentions okay and selfishness00:30:21
how often is selfishness constructive to00:30:24
the things around the person being00:30:26
selfish well not too often right I mean00:30:29
it just doesn't work for the environment00:30:31
much the selfish thing it works for the00:30:33
selfish thing doesn't work for the00:30:35
environment at all and the person who's00:30:37
actually aware of no I want to win the00:30:40
live inefficient and low blood put print00:30:43
life00:30:44
what's his odds of actually succeeding00:30:46
in doing something to minimize00:30:48
is destructiveness by not running over00:30:51
the animals by driving too fast or doing00:30:53
this or doing that not being an00:30:54
alcoholic not doing a lot yes the odds00:30:56
are high okay that he's going to not00:30:59
make a mess so I mean not that00:31:03
complicated fine00:31:09
well then so if you accept the Nuremberg00:31:12
judgement you're out of the moral00:31:14
relativist space and so what I don't00:31:20
know what this moral relativist term you00:31:23
know it's more just jargon that there's00:31:26
obviously everything's relative to00:31:28
something and everybody knows can define00:31:31
that there are things in the world by00:31:35
their own perception that are positive00:31:37
and negative in terms of obviously you00:31:39
feel pain and you feel pleasure and so I00:31:44
don't know why it gets more complicated00:31:47
than that I feel they feel I don't have00:31:51
any reason to believe I feel more than00:31:53
they feel I mean I don't know how this00:31:56
logic fails I don't know how you can00:31:58
fail to follow along how it's at all00:32:02
difficult to understand that a broken00:32:06
leg is a broken leg and it doesn't00:32:08
matter who's having it the broken leg is00:32:10
the bad thing the pain the discomfort is00:32:15
the bad thing how is it any more00:32:18
complicated than that and it's never a00:32:20
good thing00:32:21
yes you can hate somebody and say I want00:32:23
them to have it because they suck or if00:32:25
it has to happen it should happen to00:32:27
them but the fact that it's a bad thing00:32:31
doesn't escape your knowledge does it00:32:37
evil great we've actually I know people00:32:42
should read Hannah Arendt for more on00:32:44
that as well both of those writers were00:32:45
very powerful with this this this00:32:47
question when people yeah well I wish00:32:50
you'd make videos where you just post00:32:52
some paragraphs of the brilliant00:32:55
knowledge that you people think exist in00:32:57
the world somewhere and I can't see any00:33:00
of it00:33:01
playing about a lack of meaning listen I00:33:03
understand it can be an example of a00:33:05
spiritual or existential malaise that00:33:07
needs addressing but I gotta tell you00:33:09
Jordan a lot of time you know what that00:33:11
means either00:33:12
spiritual malaise it's you have a lack00:33:18
of the retardation sickness oh what a00:33:22
horrible horrible horrible no let me00:33:25
infect you with a disease00:33:26
let me [ __ ] your brain with Babli00:33:30
fairytales times it strikes me as a rank00:33:35
self-indulgent surrender to cowardice00:33:37
because when you say to someone hey00:33:39
would you like it yes calling people00:33:40
coward isn't fighting words at all00:33:43
you know that's it's just so funny again00:33:46
like he's you know he talks as if he's00:33:48
rhetoric isn't exactly as obnoxious as00:33:50
he claims the other side as guilty of00:33:54
this horrible rhetoric and he has00:33:56
horrible rhetoric I mean it's just [ __ ]00:33:59
you [ __ ]00:34:00
I mean you're the whiner here piece of00:34:04
cheesecake and they're they love00:34:05
cheesecake they don't say well no00:34:07
because in a million years it won't00:34:08
matter they'll say great I like00:34:09
cheesecake I'll eat it there's no lack00:34:11
of meaning of that but when it comes to00:34:12
say confronting immorality for standing00:34:14
up for for goodness then suddenly00:34:16
there's this big white flag of yeah00:34:18
right so the somebody is standing up00:34:21
against goodness now we're standing up00:34:23
against your insane definition of00:34:25
goodness which is inheritance is good00:34:28
for us that's all you're saying you're00:34:32
not explaining how it's good for the00:34:34
system how the system how the game is a00:34:37
better game if we allow some people to00:34:39
inherit their position in it they don't00:34:41
have to earn it go ahead and explain00:34:44
that well it's meaningless and it's00:34:48
there the other and when people inhabit00:34:50
a world that is specifically made00:34:52
comfortable if not downright bearable by00:34:54
the fact that other people have rejected00:34:56
meaninglessness to do things like create00:34:58
your house you know the guy who built00:35:00
your house okay so they this whole00:35:02
notion that the creators of everything00:35:05
are doing it for us they're building it00:35:08
before us everything's being made for us00:35:11
the guy at the McDonald's he's just00:35:13
thinking about I just00:35:14
no they're gonna love this hamburger00:35:17
amazing it's just [ __ ] amazing00:35:20
rubbish00:35:23
this wasn't sitting there saying well00:35:25
the house will eventually rot and fall00:35:27
over so what's the point of building it00:35:29
no he built something no it wasn't going00:35:30
to last00:35:31
separation of churches I don't even00:35:33
think that's true I mean I think most00:35:36
people that do something they do it and00:35:38
say yeah last and it's durable and good00:35:41
job well done and all that stuff so most00:35:43
people want that kind of gratification00:35:45
they want permission to do it right it's00:35:50
just in most cases their person paying00:35:53
their paycheck doesn't want them to do00:35:55
it right state the subjugation of the00:35:58
secular powers under the law00:36:00
philosophical innovations of every kind00:36:02
air conditioning food all of these00:36:04
things that provided to people by people00:36:06
who've rejected the concept of00:36:07
meaninglessness so it's okay whatever I00:36:10
mean it's just so silly you know what00:36:12
what it's a bizarre stretch that there's00:36:14
some sort of philosophical statement00:36:17
that the the greedy capitalist is maybe00:36:20
there is making some philosophical00:36:22
statement when all he's saying I saw so00:36:25
it's rejecting meaningless to say what's00:36:27
in it for me so once you say what's in00:36:30
it for me now all of a sudden you're00:36:32
doing or you're taking responsibility00:36:34
for your life so this is all you have to00:36:37
do to take responsibility for your life00:36:38
is to say what's in it for me and then00:36:41
go out get what's in it for you no boy00:36:46
that's just so you're so profound you00:36:49
people yes yeah Wow Wow00:36:51
how do you walk around upright with00:36:53
those big giant brains that come up with00:36:55
crap like that you'll kept alive and00:37:00
sheltered and protected by all these00:37:02
people who've rejected this concept of00:37:04
meaninglessness to Center and wallow and00:37:06
say well it's also meaningless you're00:37:07
preying upon everyone else's opposite00:37:09
perspective as regards to meaning well00:37:12
whatever I don't even know who's saying00:37:13
it's meaningless so again they're00:37:15
arguing some kind of made-up nihilist00:37:18
right this most of the nihilist I know00:37:20
don't have any problem00:37:21
doing the what's in it for me and saying00:37:23
yeah this is plenty of game here okay00:37:25
lots of lots of [ __ ] to go00:37:28
grab I don't see where they have a00:37:31
problem it's not the nihilist who have a00:37:34
problem it's the people you're00:37:37
persecuting for being a little smart00:37:39
enough to know there's a price being00:37:42
paid for our comfort and we're not00:37:46
acknowledging the price and this more00:37:50
more specifically the price has forms00:37:53
and some of those forms are going to be00:37:55
lasting into the future00:37:57
we're crippling the future with our00:37:59
gluttony and you know we're not supposed00:38:03
to supposed to pretend we don't know00:38:05
that's exactly what we're doing we're00:38:08
compromising their welfare for our00:38:10
current pleasure we're spending the00:38:15
credit card and then sticking it in our00:38:17
kids pockets literally doing that it's00:38:21
theirs you can't miss it it's not a00:38:24
magic trick okay there's nothing hidden00:38:26
that we're overtly deficit spending and00:38:31
shoving that debt that we don't intend00:38:33
to ever pay in our lifetime into the00:38:36
kids pocket I mean it's obvious and we00:38:41
shouldn't it shouldn't be mindful of it00:38:45
we shouldn't recognize that it's wrong00:38:47
and we shouldn't do anything about it00:38:49
my complaint yes well that's the00:38:55
everyday heroism that you can see00:38:57
everywhere if your eyes are open to it00:39:00
and to me the CEO of whatever00:39:08
jack-in-the-box is your friend he's just00:39:12
trying to help you you're talking to you00:39:16
on this gouget which is bloody well00:39:19
amazing just to begin with and it's00:39:20
actually working which is phenomenally00:39:23
impossible but at the scene so yeah you00:39:26
know he's a little gap digest the whole00:39:27
technology gap thing that he's you know00:39:30
some of its become quite unimpressive00:39:33
actually that they you know the the00:39:36
whole going backward thing where there's00:39:39
almost more ads on the internet now00:39:41
the pay internet internet you pay for00:39:44
$50 a month there's more ads on it00:39:47
then the Internet you used to get for00:39:50
free that had you know ads on it more00:39:55
cable TV you're paying for it has more00:39:58
more ads in it you know then then the00:40:01
the old TV had yeah those kind of00:40:05
failures of technology I'm like it's00:40:10
snowing no dairy farmers out there if I00:40:13
was out there right now or all these00:40:15
pumping systems in my house weren't00:40:16
working right now dr. Peterson praised00:40:24
the efficacy of technology it rampantly00:40:27
failed on us I don't know sign from God00:40:31
you believe in God sign from God shut00:40:34
the [ __ ] up losers it's just some sort00:40:38
of backlash karmic curse but we're going00:40:40
to continue yes exactly so you've00:40:42
identified their truth it's a karmic00:40:44
thing you're obviously talking [ __ ] and00:40:47
the universe is saying shut up but00:40:50
you're gonna resist with this thought00:40:53
about responsibility on with the show00:40:58
people come and talk to me who are in00:41:01
existential crises and it's very common00:41:03
among university students for example00:41:05
because they're trying to orient00:41:06
themselves I hate this term an00:41:08
existential crisis I mean whoever00:41:11
invented this term you know sorry forget00:41:15
the whole Nuremberg thing they ought to00:41:16
turn them into a lampshade it's just too00:41:19
[ __ ] irritating the crisis is with00:41:23
the perfectly extension okay the crisis00:41:27
is we're here on earth we're in this00:41:30
really kind of dangerous world okay00:41:33
where you know you can't be too sure of00:41:35
anything you can't be sure you go to00:41:38
work you don't get arrested by the cops00:41:39
or some other kind of crazy [ __ ] happens00:41:41
you have to take some risk to have any00:41:43
kind of pleasure or joy you might even00:41:44
have to break some laws you know and00:41:48
then your navigation you're trying to00:41:50
find some sort of stability and some00:41:52
sort of something to cherish00:41:55
something to hold close to you and it's00:41:58
gonna die and then you realize you're00:42:02
gonna die and the process isn't gonna be00:42:06
like you're just gonna die no you're00:42:08
gonna be killed and you're gonna be00:42:10
killed like irradiated with nuclear00:42:13
energy you're gonna be killed by some00:42:16
horrible disease that's gonna Whittle00:42:18
you down piece by piece it's gonna it's00:42:21
gonna dissect you while you're alive00:42:23
it's gonna do this to you what what why00:42:28
is that an existential crisis to me I00:42:31
think that's just a perfectly rational00:42:33
crisis gee this is an awful messy thing00:42:37
I've been thrown into this is hardly00:42:39
bump on not playing the game perfection00:42:41
am i I'm not playing the game cool00:42:45
Joyride right this is not the game00:42:47
Joyride this isn't the good ship00:42:51
lollipop this isn't just some kind of00:42:53
thing you do and you just have fun00:42:56
there's all kinds of gnarly decisions to00:42:59
make and there's all kinds of messes you00:43:01
can get in and you can end up with00:43:04
herpes or vincit I mean all kinds of00:43:06
damage can be done to you and to other00:43:09
people and to the little critters why00:43:11
shouldn't somebody be crisis by that why00:43:16
do I need anything existential well why00:43:19
do I need to worry worry about well00:43:21
where do I go I have to ride ah hi did00:43:26
you really think it matters amazing one00:43:33
of the things doesn't do very well is00:43:37
teach people to notice when they're00:43:39
doing things right you know exactly we00:43:47
should be rewarding people for doing00:43:49
good things instead of punishing people00:43:51
for doing bad things the focus the00:43:53
attempt should always be to manufacture00:43:56
a carrot if possible to solve the00:43:59
problem rather than just go to the whip00:44:01
and it's just the laziness again of00:44:04
these people who are claiming they're on00:44:06
the side of the responsible ones the00:44:08
once you are taking charge and and and00:44:11
and being responsible and all of their00:44:14
answers are neglect and whip they00:44:18
there's no even concept of any kind of00:44:22
reward only people there seem to want to00:44:24
reward or people who inherited it people00:44:27
who got there through a cheat you know a00:44:29
reward anybody who actually earned00:44:31
anything million years when you're00:44:37
eating it there's enough intrinsic00:44:39
pleasure in the action dispenses with00:44:45
yeah I don't think people are having00:44:47
crisises about the fact that the00:44:49
chocolate cake isn't chocolaty enough00:44:51
that's not what's worrying them so again00:44:54
this guy is just clueless music for00:45:00
example right even the most nihilistic00:45:03
people generally still take pleasure in00:45:04
music again I just wish they would have00:45:08
a portrait of the nihilist I wish they00:45:11
would show me what these this average00:45:13
nihilistic person they're talking about00:45:15
is show me with this person show me this00:45:17
nihilist person and show how he's00:45:23
different than you kook's show me how he00:45:26
votes different than you cooks these00:45:30
denialist this to me firstest he's not00:45:32
it's not some guy who doesn't think00:45:34
anything's important he thinks it's damn00:45:36
important that you know he gets stuff he00:45:39
has food he has a warm house he has all00:45:41
that stuff it's not a bunch of nihilist00:45:43
living on the street somewhere saying00:45:45
cool00:45:46
I don't need nothing and one of the00:45:52
things that I try to help my students00:45:53
learn to do is to notice when they are00:45:55
engaged in something meaningful you know00:45:58
if you just watch yourself over the00:45:59
course of a week you could tell when00:46:02
what you're doing is of high quality and00:46:05
engages you ok so again this this mixing00:46:08
of personal interest and social00:46:11
responsibility again it just it's never00:46:13
gonna work you're never gonna have these00:46:14
rational conversation about any of this00:46:18
stuff if you keep mixing these two00:46:20
things what's in my00:46:22
interest and what's in the social00:46:24
interest when am i acting as a selfish00:46:26
[ __ ] and when am i using my brain to00:46:29
help construct the future and the00:46:33
terrarium again it's the whole idea if I00:46:35
walk into the timeshare and I have no00:46:38
sense that I have any obligation to any00:46:41
future person who's going to live in the00:46:43
timeshare then I'll modify it to my00:46:47
personal tastes I'll do whatever I want00:46:49
and that will be a disaster for the00:46:54
other people and you can tell it when00:46:58
you're doing something that makes you00:47:00
feel like everything's point come to an00:47:04
end one of the things you can learn is00:47:06
to stop doing much of the class of the00:47:09
latter things and start doing a lot more00:47:11
of the class of the forum things some00:47:17
specifics is somewhere in this00:47:19
conversation would be really interesting00:47:21
too but no specifics just some vague00:47:24
idea that the lefties are clueless00:47:26
confused scatterbrains00:47:29
and we righties or have it all under00:47:32
control and we're taking full00:47:34
responsibility and we love everybody and00:47:36
we're trying to help everyone very good00:47:42
at criticizing their own doubts you know00:47:45
so someone will be doing something and a00:47:47
stray thought will come into mind like00:47:49
oh what the hell's the point of this and00:47:51
because it comes with a negative00:47:53
emotional punch and some power they00:47:55
think oh yeah that's definitely true00:47:57
yeah well those are probably things you00:48:00
really should pay attention to when you00:48:03
know your brain observes a truth and00:48:06
realizes that maybe you're caught up in00:48:09
something doesn't mean a damn thing you00:48:11
know you're going to all these beauty00:48:12
pageants it's just you know it's just00:48:14
all kind of silly and stupid maybe you00:48:16
should do something a little more00:48:17
meaningful with your life you know and00:48:18
then trying to be the person who can you00:48:22
know balance a spinning ball on their00:48:23
nose the longest now maybe maybe there's00:48:26
something more meaningful you could do00:48:28
with your existence definitely true it's00:48:31
just some chattering00:48:33
that makes the same stupid criticisms to00:48:36
everyone it's not they're not stupid00:48:39
criticisms in my opinion so you know00:48:43
I've never really had a point in my life00:48:44
where I was doing something truly good00:48:47
you know admirable well I had some kind00:48:52
of second thought that told me how it00:48:55
wasn't admirable and it was garbage so00:48:58
and I've had almost every single time00:49:02
some sort of doubter our question about00:49:06
my intentions or what I'm actually doing00:49:08
rather than what I think I'm doing those00:49:11
are always valid critiques that I'm00:49:14
basically just living my little Jedi00:49:17
story and I'm not really paying00:49:19
attention to the truth just because it's00:49:24
negative doesn't mean it's true so the00:49:31
other thing I guess alright so there we00:49:33
needed a story you need to add a story00:49:36
about I don't know wiebel that could or00:49:40
something you know some little story to00:49:42
explain how you're not supposed to pay00:49:45
attention to those doubts you might have00:49:49
about whether you really do love her00:49:53
because that might be an important doubt00:49:56
it might just be it's got good booters00:50:00
might not be any deeper than that maybe00:50:02
you should think about it before you say00:50:04
I do or something help people with this00:50:08
to also notice what they're our own00:50:12
speech does to them one of the things00:50:16
you can find out if you pay attention00:50:17
again sort of outside of your belief00:50:19
system attention is that sometimes00:50:22
you'll say things and do things that00:50:23
make you feel strong and together and00:50:25
other times you say things or do things00:50:26
that make you feel weak and falling00:50:28
apart it's like well stop saying the00:50:32
latter things and say more the former00:50:34
things and try it out for five years and00:50:36
see what happens a lot of that nihilism00:50:38
will disappear yeah whatever00:50:42
you could just wash it off just wash00:50:45
nihilism out of your brain little more00:50:48
yeah I don't have any experience with00:50:49
nihilism I don't know I don't even00:50:51
understand the concept it doesn't make00:50:53
any sense to me at all there really00:50:55
can't can't be nihilistic I live on00:50:57
planet Earth you're you know just can't00:51:02
you can't pretend they don't care about00:51:05
anything including yourself it doesn't00:51:08
make any sense it's one of the great00:51:14
things to me that came out of young and00:51:15
I had dr. Schwartz on who runs something00:51:17
called internal family systems systems00:51:19
therapy yeah sounds like a big pile of00:51:22
crap for money which is the idea that we00:51:27
are an aggregation of psychological00:51:29
entities some call them altars or alter00:51:31
egos and so on not everything that's in00:51:34
you is you and this is a very important00:51:37
thing for people to understand we try to00:51:38
own every not all your brain is your00:51:41
brain no some of it somebody else's00:51:44
brain no the good in the bed it's just a00:51:49
mess of crap and frankly it isn't really00:51:52
you as you point out you read young or00:51:55
you'll watch a movie or you do this you00:51:57
do that you interact with other people00:51:58
and they they bruise your brain or they00:52:03
enhance your brain or they energize your00:52:05
brain but yes it's all cause and effect00:52:07
and everything that you are is just a00:52:09
byproduct of the environment that00:52:12
legends you into your certain your00:52:15
current condition00:52:16
voice and every perspective in her head00:52:19
but you know if you had I don't know an00:52:21
abusive father who would yell at you00:52:23
that you up worthless and good for00:52:24
nothing when that voice arises in your00:52:26
head it's not organic to your00:52:27
personality it's something that's been00:52:29
inflicted on you from outside if00:52:30
somebody gives you with the stab wounds00:52:32
in your side you can be that it's kind00:52:34
of silly right because yes of course00:52:36
every single event to the positive the00:52:38
negative they all bias you they all00:52:41
create they all create experience and00:52:45
the experience you can understand it as00:52:47
being a common experience or an uncommon00:52:49
experience it can leave you00:52:53
stronger I can leave you weaker and00:52:55
that's the exact point being argued here00:52:58
is that all human beings don't have the00:53:01
same experience their capacities aren't00:53:03
the same00:53:04
they shouldn't be measured on the same00:53:06
scale so they shouldn't you shouldn't00:53:08
force midgets to jump as high I mean00:53:11
there's just factual circumstances like00:53:14
that and you want to pretend that people00:53:16
who notice that we can't have the same00:53:18
standards one size doesn't fit all are00:53:22
somehow failing to understand meaning00:53:24
when no I think that's understanding it00:53:27
I think that's getting it pulled around00:53:32
but it's not organic to your body you00:53:33
still have to adjust to it but it's not00:53:35
the same as you entire and when you00:53:37
split yourself in a sense into these I00:53:39
would say fragments but components you00:53:42
get the depth you get the meaning and00:53:43
you also get to work on what's called00:53:45
individuation which is Who am I outside00:53:49
of destructive influences from the past00:53:51
and that I think it's you so it's just00:53:54
like you know we could people could00:53:55
argue self-help books forever right I00:53:57
quit smoking it was no problem all I did00:54:00
was you know I counted to ten every time00:54:02
I want a cigarette and then by the time00:54:04
I got to ten I forgot I wanted a00:54:05
cigarette so there's no problem I quit00:54:07
so everybody's the same everybody the00:54:09
same silly little mantras will work you00:54:12
know the same little tricks will work00:54:14
because everybody's brokenness is00:54:16
exactly the same it was caused by the00:54:18
same circumstances and you can just pull00:54:20
it out or fix it with your little pill I00:54:23
took Prozac that made me feel better00:54:25
where obviously somebody else takes it00:54:27
and they blow their brains out I mean00:54:29
this is just useless trivial trip'00:54:33
[ __ ] you know you found your freedom00:54:37
from a sense of foreboding00:54:41
okay fear of what's going to happen to00:54:45
you which is you know life is going to00:54:47
kill you00:54:48
and you found00:54:51
relief from any sense of guilt or00:54:54
responsibility for the victims in the00:54:58
world because you just said nature did00:54:59
it I didn't do it I didn't make the00:55:01
world I didn't make the system I didn't00:55:03
create this whole idea so it has nothing00:55:05
to do with me I don't have to any00:55:06
responsibility for that so every time I00:55:09
you know feed Lions you know and then00:55:13
the Lions kill elephants not really my00:55:17
fault as nature made the Lions okay okay00:55:20
yeah I fed them but yeah it's just00:55:23
rationalizations excuses you're making00:55:25
you know so you have mental barriers00:55:27
you're the one figuring out how to be00:55:30
nihilistic to eliminate any value00:55:32
obligations besides what's in it for me00:55:36
the kind of strength because you don't00:55:39
have to own everything that's in you as00:55:41
if it's all you that's things that you00:55:42
can pick and choose everything should00:55:43
get us I don't see how this helps00:55:48
people's neuroses one bit this isn't00:55:50
gonna make a you know this isn't gonna00:55:55
fix people's underlying I don't know00:56:00
what are the word to use for it you know00:56:02
but they're like the preferences like00:56:04
the sexual preferences you're not gonna00:56:05
change those things with picking little00:56:08
words like this you're not gonna be able00:56:10
to just undo it that's simply sure I00:56:15
think that that's part of what's useful00:56:17
about the Buddhist idea of detachment no00:56:19
obviously that could be taken to an00:56:21
absurd extreme because I don't think you00:56:24
can take it to any extreme it could just00:56:25
be pantomimed they can pantomime a life00:56:29
right they can pretend but they can't00:56:33
really do it so again it's just this00:56:35
more I can acquire the discipline not to00:56:38
blink my eyes not to allow you to00:56:41
believe that I have any sensations at00:56:43
all and because I can mimic that00:56:45
therefore I am that no I don't buy it00:56:51
just a trick00:56:57
for example detaching yourself from the00:57:00
suffering of other people I don't think00:57:02
is it particularly that's taking it too00:57:06
far00:57:07
right and that's the most that's the00:57:09
easy one to do right that's the easy00:57:11
trick because it is so rewarding to your00:57:15
self-interest I mean if you could take00:57:17
if you can eliminate this idea of your00:57:20
guilt and your responsibility to others00:57:22
and all that kind of crap and you know00:57:24
oh yeah I did kill that kid when I was a00:57:25
drunk you know he wasn't gonna be00:57:28
anybody anyway a rationalization an00:57:31
excuse and ah I'm relieved that's the00:57:35
danger is these are these00:57:37
responsibilities are the things you00:57:39
people are saying you know you're00:57:42
applying your discipline and then00:57:44
pretending that isn't the easy road00:57:47
that's the easy road not the hard road00:57:49
the hard road is recognizing the00:57:52
responsibilities and you know even when00:57:57
you feel burdened by them accepting the00:58:00
fact that oh yeah there's also that00:58:02
other thing I did oh and there's also00:58:04
that oh and there's also that one you00:58:07
know that's being that's more admirable00:58:14
than this [ __ ] that I chose the hard00:58:19
path to what's in it for me I still know00:58:28
that you approach a drowning person in00:58:30
the water with your foot out right it00:58:32
doesn't doesn't help if you drown too so00:58:34
some detachment when you're dealing with00:58:36
people who are suffering is also00:58:37
necessary but that sounds them like00:58:40
again more rationalizations right I mean00:58:42
it's too dangerous to help it's too you00:58:46
know instead of just arguing that yeah00:58:48
obviously you have to be reasonable you00:58:51
can't be an idiot about it you know you00:58:54
have to measure the cost to the benefit00:58:57
but there's going to be times when yeah00:59:00
it's dude jumping on the grenades the00:59:02
right thing to do detaching yourself00:59:07
from the voices in your head00:59:09
so to speak can be extraordinarily00:59:11
useful you know part of what you00:59:13
describe with the process so having one00:59:16
prior to your brain ignore the other00:59:18
part of your brain is useful I don't00:59:21
know useful for what the part of the brain00:59:22
that isn't getting it know heard I mean00:59:26
it just doesn't make much sense that I00:59:28
ignored me and you know came up with the00:59:33
best plan for us no differentiation and00:59:39
then synthesis it's like okay I'm a I'm00:59:43
a house in which many conflicting sub00:59:46
personalities simultaneously live right00:59:49
and so let's just understand their00:59:51
program so let's not personalities you00:59:53
just have programs in your head and00:59:55
there's programs that because of the way00:59:58
we have constructed language even01:00:00
there's ways that those programs are01:00:02
rewarded and punished so like a program01:00:06
pops up a thought process of guilt let's01:00:09
say and your brain can say you know it01:00:13
can it can reject this cautionary thing01:00:16
that shows up and says caution01:00:18
slow down you may be being completely01:00:23
manipulative in this relationship you01:00:25
you may be you know just come you know01:00:29
completely ignoring your01:00:31
responsibilities here01:00:33
and you can you have a brain that can01:00:36
say well yes that's an intelligent thing01:00:38
to do thank you thank you for reminding01:00:39
me to be careful you know I should be01:00:42
aware of this thing and then your brain01:00:44
reinforces that function because you've01:00:47
acknowledged yes I sometimes am a01:00:50
selfish [ __ ] and I do need something01:00:53
in my brain to remind me a little arm01:00:55
o'clock you know gotta remember you're01:00:57
doing this whole big game thing it's not01:00:59
just about you blah blah blah so that01:01:01
program you can have a brain where that01:01:03
program gets rewarded or you can have a01:01:05
brain where again you're saying get it01:01:07
on my [ __ ] way I'm busy I'm trying to01:01:09
get what I want no no no and you can just see it as a01:01:11
nuisance and so you criticize it and you01:01:15
you know01:01:17
the thought process is negative towards01:01:20
the interruption in your pleasure okay01:01:23
so it's it's interfering with your01:01:25
enjoyment of the movie the narrative01:01:27
you're running so I'm just saying your01:01:29
brain rewards and punishes based on some01:01:33
sense of which way you're tilted as a01:01:35
person you know whether your highest01:01:38
ideal is I need to be an honorable01:01:41
honest person now if you think that's01:01:44
what you need to be and you have trust01:01:47
in that notion that that's what I want01:01:48
to be I don't want to be a fake and I01:01:51
want to be a phony I don't want to be a01:01:53
criminal I don't want to be an [ __ ]01:01:54
and or else you don't have that notion01:01:58
and all you're saying is I'm an animal I01:02:01
want you don't even say and I'm an ammo01:02:03
you're just saying I want I all I feel01:02:05
is the feelings I'm gonna act on the01:02:07
feelings I'm not even smart enough to01:02:08
have this conversation I'm just saying I01:02:10
can't see how anybody was intelligent01:02:12
enough to recognize these voices could01:02:17
possibly conclude that the voices are01:02:21
wrong and that the self-interest is01:02:24
right and still have some notion of I'm01:02:30
trying to do my best I'm trying to be01:02:34
the best person I can be I don't think01:02:35
you can have some value statement inside01:02:38
of your consciousness saying I want to01:02:40
be the best person I can be and be01:02:42
capable of dismissing the counter01:02:48
arguments pointing out where you're01:02:50
failing to do that is that so dishonest01:02:55
so I don't I don't see how it's possible01:02:56
so I have to say fundamentally you01:03:00
people really haven't had that01:03:01
conversation in the sense that you01:03:03
really haven't properly humiliated your01:03:07
your you're selfish core and recognized01:03:11
that that gorilla needs a collar and a01:03:15
leash and that's totally appropriate01:03:20
because he's an [ __ ] by nature01:03:23
something like that01:03:26
okay so how do I sort that out how do I01:03:29
get them to make peace with one another01:03:30
how do I criticize them and that's some01:03:33
detachment is a good place to start01:03:35
I found that exercise about noticing01:03:40
would you say things that make you weak01:03:42
that's extraordinarily useful because I01:03:44
think it's a reasonable hypothesis that01:03:48
when you utter things that make you feel01:03:50
like you're standing on firm ground then01:03:53
that might be the real you speaking with01:03:58
me anyways real this is so dangerous the01:04:04
real you you're not gonna be able to01:04:07
segregate the the part of you that has01:04:12
been developed through your maturation01:04:14
your education and your knowledge and01:04:17
the part of you who is still the little01:04:21
animal the animal the animal animal01:04:24
those two will never be the same person01:04:28
and they'll never have common interest01:04:32
innately01:04:34
so you're always going to be as a01:04:37
thinking person very different than you01:04:40
are as a feeling person I think people01:04:42
have to concede that and you have to be01:04:46
always more mindful of that the thinking01:04:48
person is the better person it's just01:04:54
obvious to realize this which was many01:04:58
years ago probably in the early 80s I01:05:00
was absolutely sharp right to my court01:05:03
you realize just how much of what I was01:05:06
saying have nothing to do with me it was01:05:09
games and status routines and and01:05:12
fragments of things I had learned and01:05:15
yes so he's conceding he was full of01:05:18
[ __ ] now he has a new a new he flushed01:05:21
the old [ __ ] and I think he just [ __ ]01:05:24
some more [ __ ] so and maybe he'll wake01:05:27
up in ten years and look back at this01:05:29
rubbish and say gee I was full of [ __ ]01:05:33
again that's yes no I still hadn't got01:05:37
it01:05:40
ninety-five percent of it I think likely01:05:43
that's that's what I figured out the01:05:45
time all this a wonderful scene in one01:05:47
of us go wild stories where the womanís01:05:49
is self-consciously playing to the01:05:51
gallery the imaginary gallery of people01:05:53
who are observing her actions and giving01:05:55
her marks for good or bad behavior and01:05:56
John Fowles writes about this in the01:05:58
maggots that night life is not a contest01:05:59
like this on an exam where you get good01:06:01
or bad marks it's something where you01:06:02
have to become authentic of yourself an01:06:04
act I think hopefully for for good again01:06:07
some are just absolute rubbish like01:06:09
there's some authentic self it's just01:06:12
not there you're not gonna find an01:06:14
authentic self you're just gonna find a01:06:16
selfishly impulsive animal and an01:06:20
intelligence that knows better those the01:06:25
only two things there are there are01:06:26
there isn't anything else playing inside01:06:29
your brain there's no other records01:06:31
there's your intellectual intelligent I01:06:35
can do the logic and add it up and then01:06:38
there's the feeling aid and you can see01:06:40
the contest between them you can see how01:06:42
the feeling ape will often choose01:06:44
arguments that are really weak because01:06:47
they're conducive to what the ape wants01:06:49
to hear you know it's like I could bring01:06:51
up like the Second Amendment with the01:06:53
the whole preface you know a well-armed01:06:56
militia being necessary to blah blah I01:06:58
could point out how none of the other01:06:59
amendments to the other Bill of Rights01:07:03
have any kind of preamble shoved into01:07:06
them to qualify the right and yet01:07:10
they'll read it as an absolute right01:07:12
well the right to bear arms will not be01:07:14
abridged so they're there for you know01:07:17
and they won't recognize that that's a01:07:20
conditional a statement they'll just01:07:21
ignore that whole sentence and you know01:07:24
that if that was on some opposite right01:07:27
that they want to preserve like abortion01:07:29
or some other thing they would they01:07:32
would read that preamble as meaning01:07:34
something and they say they didn't put01:07:35
that in there for nothing why are all01:07:37
those extra words there Oh obviously01:07:40
because they were pointing out how they01:07:42
were in a circumstance where they didn't01:07:44
have any choice but to say yes you've01:07:46
got a we got have to own guns because we01:07:48
don't have an army to defend the country01:07:50
clearly01:07:51
that's what they were saying but I'm01:07:53
just saying we see that we often let our01:07:56
gorillas decide what's an intelligent01:07:59
statement and we're completely01:08:01
intellectually dishonest so again I will01:08:03
say to these people they're so01:08:04
intellectually dishonest to pretend that01:08:07
capitalism is mostly rewarding people01:08:11
who earned it when the money of01:08:14
capitalism is mostly in the hands of01:08:17
people who did not and they ignore the01:08:23
facts because they're not convenient to01:08:26
what they want to feel but in the world01:08:31
now one of the things that we have in01:08:34
common is starting with Christianity and01:08:37
moving to to the left which I think01:08:39
you've described in an amazing way in01:08:42
your book the I doubt I doubt there's01:08:50
anything amazing I just doubted no01:08:52
evidence of amazing here as Christianity01:08:55
and then the replacement of religion01:08:59
with with God and with the soul with01:09:02
socially manipulative economically01:09:04
manipulative ideology ok socially01:09:07
manipulative and ideologically01:09:09
manipulate therefore what would that01:09:11
include the black church for example I01:09:14
mean what are you talking about the01:09:17
whole system is made out of manipulators01:09:20
there's almost nothing else but01:09:23
manipulation endorsed by you hey can you01:09:29
help people understand what that was of01:09:30
you I think it's very common and I've01:09:32
talked a lot in this show about the01:09:33
degree to which atheists give up God and01:09:35
take the state in place which is far01:09:38
more so again another just completely a01:09:40
bizarre mixture of two subjects you know01:09:43
like everybody doesn't take up the state01:09:45
in some sense I mean it's just crazy to01:09:48
say the people don't recognize that they01:09:50
would be pretty vulnerable as their own01:09:52
little nation out in the middle of the01:09:53
ocean but again just absolutely no01:09:57
evidence that there's any relationship01:09:59
between atheism and01:10:01
a political point of view regarding how01:10:05
big government should be I mean there's01:10:07
no evidence of that whatsoever dangerous01:10:11
in my mind because the state is a01:10:12
diminishment of free will whereas you01:10:14
are allowed free will in Christianity01:10:15
can you tell people a little bit about01:10:17
that journey because I mean beyond the01:10:19
obvious we're atheists obviously aren't01:10:21
going to be in the same they're likely01:10:25
not to have consistent values with01:10:27
fanatical Christians you want to put01:10:29
them in jail yeah obviously so the01:10:35
amount of first psychological upheaval01:10:37
and turmoil and the rescue I would argue01:10:39
from the Socratic demon the voice that01:10:41
told you when you were being honest as01:10:42
an amazing talk historian well I thought01:10:49
I had gone through it and then written01:10:51
it down it was I mean one of the things01:10:54
you pointed out was the great social01:10:57
movement also occurred simultaneously in01:11:01
the personal and familial space so we're01:11:05
back to what now the personal and01:11:08
familial space is where we get our01:11:11
politics or something or that's where01:11:14
great movements come from and again01:11:17
where's the evidence of any of this01:11:18
nonsense and what's exactly who could01:11:20
give me the example of one of the great01:11:22
movements please and so you can see for01:11:27
example that it's rare to go it's very01:11:31
common to go into a household where01:11:33
there's a war in the kitchen and that's01:11:36
the that's the manifestation of the war01:11:39
between men and women in the household01:11:42
and that to me is also a secondary01:11:45
consequence of the invention of the01:11:47
birth control pill it's very but great01:11:51
know where he's going with this01:11:53
what birth control pills weren't a good01:11:55
idea this guy is so scary people's01:12:02
personal lights as well and what01:12:05
happened to me was I went Church I was a01:12:08
kid like many people's I'm sure you did01:12:11
a lot of things with your mother01:12:13
I'm really sure you did got it written01:12:18
all over you I don't know what the [ __ ]01:12:20
happened here oh where the hell were we01:12:25
what are you doing you do we don't we'll01:12:28
try a reload hope for the best01:12:31
hi everybody's depending on you from01:12:33
that's behavior with dr. Jordan Peterson01:12:35
he's here okay sir looks like he'll go01:12:37
all the way back to the beginning that's01:12:38
so rude01:12:39
unknown maximum it's going to cause01:12:42
massive social destabilization it's a01:12:44
real risk so but I would also say that01:12:46
there's although you may had a little01:12:49
remove the Pareto principle you can01:12:51
dampen it and you can also multiply the01:12:54
domains in which it works and you know01:12:57
the Prieta principle to the principal01:13:00
I see where it was it will go back a01:13:01
little it can't be that it has to be01:13:05
something like the students decide of01:13:08
their own accord to turn in another01:13:10
direction and leave that sterile dead01:13:13
nihilistic pathological victim oppressor01:13:16
mentality in the duct right so there's01:13:18
no victims and there's no oppressor so01:13:20
there's no people of marginal means or01:13:22
capacities and there's no people who01:13:25
didn't earn it and have tremendous power01:13:28
that's not a real syndrome a real01:13:31
consequence a real fact of the world01:13:33
today that's not the truth of the world01:13:36
today and where it belongs when I said01:13:43
the other application and I've been01:13:45
talking to employers as well saying you01:13:48
know if person comes from this01:13:49
university but this kind of degree you01:13:51
may not be getting the critical thinker01:13:53
that you want you may be getting01:13:54
somebody who's gonna cause a lot of01:13:55
trouble I can also Jordan see the01:13:57
application of this right yeah I don't01:13:59
know what kind of employer he was01:14:00
talking to that would be an interesting01:14:02
to find out you know what the what they01:14:04
were getting there they're college01:14:06
graduate for what purpose a degree in01:14:09
what I wonder employers to say oh this01:14:13
person came from this University they01:14:15
took this stuff I'm gonna go check out01:14:16
this website and find out what kind of01:14:18
belief sets they're gonna be bringing01:14:19
into my hope yes exactly but exactly you01:14:23
know why would this whole idea that now01:14:25
University has something to do with01:14:26
something01:14:27
ambiguous you know that's a whole01:14:28
problem in itself I mean I would be for01:14:31
kind of you know subsidizing education01:14:34
but deal I'm not gonna Wi-Fi subsidize a01:14:36
bunch of classes and courses that don't01:14:38
have anything to do with any skill or01:14:41
anything called understanding just a01:14:44
bunch of gobbledygook Klee creative an01:14:48
industrious and optimistic will work01:14:51
place because of course this is the one01:14:52
thing about the sort of neo-marxist the01:14:54
cultural Marxism stuff it's relentlessly01:14:56
depressing is relent again so it's our01:14:59
fault that problems are pain in the ass01:15:04
and they're not fun so fixing problems01:15:08
identifying them and fixing them isn't01:15:11
fun and that's the fault of the problem01:15:13
solvers I mean goddamn those stupid01:15:16
problem solvers with their goddamn01:15:17
recognition of a problem and they're01:15:19
goddamn unpleasant answers either01:15:22
providing a solution it's just so damn01:15:24
depressing yeah what does that have to01:15:27
do with it oh that's right nothing01:15:30
Leslee hostile it hollows people out01:15:33
it's it's more like a brain rot than01:15:35
than any kind of enthusiastic and open01:15:38
thinking system right so again who's who01:15:45
are the myopic pigeon holders of01:15:48
misdirection and [ __ ] again you just01:15:51
argue forever how much of the money in01:15:55
our economy is held by people who really01:15:58
earned it it's it compromises its01:16:05
followers mental health01:16:07
it makes them depressed and angry and01:16:09
nihilistic and resentful and malevolent01:16:11
and and often dangerous at breathe no01:16:15
existing in a world full of liars and01:16:18
religious Kooks with fantasies silly01:16:21
notions completely idiotic notions of01:16:25
you know let's just borrow the money ya01:16:28
know all these stupid idiotic [ __ ] and01:16:33
people recognize it and say oh god this01:16:35
is I'm I'm in hell I mean this is just01:16:37
hell it's so broken this can't pass01:16:40
we work and I'm supposed to pretend it's01:16:42
working I'm supposed to sit there and01:16:44
stick my feet through the bottom of the01:16:46
car and pick up the car and let's01:16:48
pretend our car works no it's a piece of01:16:52
[ __ ] it claims to it reads the very01:16:59
failure it claims to oppose its term yes01:17:01
I was thinking about because you've01:17:04
talked about this and I've talked about01:17:05
it as well this Pareto principle and it01:17:07
just struck me Jordan while you were01:17:08
talking about this I wonder if the01:17:11
people who produce this amazing01:17:14
productivity right as he is the square01:17:15
root of the workers produce half the01:17:17
wealth which you know if you've got01:17:19
three out of nine it's not such a huge01:17:20
deal if you've got a hundred out of01:17:21
10,000 you can certainly see why some01:17:23
people become richer do you think if01:17:25
this process are of self-worth sorry I01:17:28
again this isn't and if anything to do01:17:30
with the reality of how people get rich01:17:32
but again just keep pretending the truth01:17:35
is something that it's not the ring01:17:40
explodes productivity and people do you01:17:42
think that there may be people who get01:17:43
it instinctively or have pursued it01:17:45
accidentally or have got it as a side01:17:47
benefit of therapy or something else do01:17:49
you think that the Pareto principle01:17:50
might be composed of people who've gone01:17:52
through this process consciously or01:17:54
unconsciously and that we might be able01:17:56
to hurt more people in a sense into this01:17:58
maximum productivity area through this01:18:00
process of self authoring well that01:18:02
that's what the data indicates right and01:18:04
I would say part of the part of the way01:18:06
that happens is that the number of01:18:08
parental domains will multiply right you01:18:12
can't oh you know what the [ __ ] this is01:18:14
but yeah he's got his self off they're01:18:16
authoring calm so this must be some sort01:18:19
of racket right like Trump University or01:18:23
something oh it's amazing these people01:18:26
go to Trump University amazing amazing01:18:28
amazing so self authoring so this is01:18:32
about somebody drawing their own cartoon01:18:35
of themselves and such purchased now for01:18:39
more information and such so self01:18:46
authoring suite three online writing01:18:49
programs past president future so01:18:52
apparently it teaches you how to write01:18:54
and therefore you will have something01:18:56
worth reading because you wrote it and01:18:58
obviously everything you write must be01:19:00
worth reading oh there he is so he's one01:19:03
of the people who are part of this he's01:19:06
the founder anyway I don't know okay01:19:14
anyway I have no idea what it is and get01:19:23
rid of the damn principle it's pretty01:19:25
hard know you might do what Henry Ford01:19:28
did if you happen to be at the top of01:19:29
the heap and say hey actually turns out01:19:32
that we should pay our workers so they01:19:33
can buy the things we're producing which01:19:35
is a message that it does look he did01:19:38
that reluctantly so it's just I know01:19:42
well anyway people just rewrite history01:19:43
right I mean he was getting nailed by01:19:46
unionization was the power starting to01:19:49
grow and he didn't like it at all and so01:19:53
let's not pretend he was a big01:19:55
progressive wasn't a progressive list01:20:00
across the West I think could could01:20:02
hearken to again and if even if for no01:20:04
other reason than for their own self01:20:06
protection because increased what would01:20:10
you call it inequality that increases01:20:12
beyond some unknown maximum that's going01:20:15
to cause massive social destabilization01:20:16
it's a real risk so but I would also say01:20:19
that there's although you can't remove01:20:23
the Frieda principle you can dampen it01:20:25
and you can also multiple now whatever I01:20:28
read that principle do I really have to01:20:31
look up this Little J concept somewhere01:20:37
no I don't think I will domains in which01:20:40
it works and you know there's there's01:20:43
lots of things that can be produced01:20:45
creatively and there's lots of domains01:20:47
that can be generated in which creative01:20:49
achievement can take okay so again this01:20:51
is all stuff that you know obviously if01:20:53
I'm gonna be a social engineer I'm gonna01:20:56
recognize that some entertainments are01:20:58
just way too expensive they really don't01:21:00
mean anything it's just mush and so all01:21:02
this artsy fartsy stuff and all these01:21:04
sports you wort see stuff this is all01:21:07
stuff that just01:21:08
wastes an awful lot of human beings time01:21:10
they should enjoy watching things that01:21:13
matter okay to get to the subject of01:21:16
mattering and you know there there01:21:20
should be a added value so you know the01:21:26
contribution should be doing something01:21:28
the baseball player should in fact in01:21:31
some way be curing malaria you know01:21:36
there should be something of value in01:21:37
this craft that we support place and so01:21:44
I would say that someone who is01:21:49
self-motivated properly motivated let's01:21:52
say towards the good just there's a01:21:54
laser again this good is this ambiguous01:21:57
term there good that is you know being a01:22:01
good servant to the rich you know be a01:22:05
good slave sermon on the mount right to01:22:10
put the highest possible good at the top01:22:19
of the hierarchy whatever that is it's gone for all01:22:21
intents and purposes oh [ __ ] no no it01:22:24
isn't i mean the together he's the01:22:28
greatest good ever look how good he was01:22:30
at that whole punish the children for01:22:33
the crimes of the parent yes such a01:22:35
beautiful ethic how can you just not01:22:38
find that charming is fun whether you01:22:42
believe in God or not it doesn't matter01:22:43
it becomes you're gone and so you put01:22:45
the right goal whatever that means01:22:48
just why why is any I mean there's just01:22:52
shouldn't be any intelligent Nuremberg01:22:54
trials no they should they should have01:22:56
said that God was declared dead seventy01:23:00
nine years ago let's just let it go God01:23:02
is a stupid concept [ __ ] it that's the01:23:06
law now quit being dumb the God of power01:23:11
is the wrong God so that's the message01:23:14
that's the message that's implicit in01:23:16
the temptation narrative which which you01:23:18
re open and again what does this have to01:23:21
do any of their ideology their right-wing01:23:23
fascism what does this have to do with01:23:25
how they don't want to use their power01:23:28
and how they don't want to manipulate01:23:29
their power and manipulate people with01:23:31
their power their completely power01:23:33
obsessed well so what happens when01:23:37
people put put the proper God in the01:23:39
highest possible position well what01:23:41
happens is that the world transforms01:23:44
itself increasingly into something01:23:46
that's paradisal and I truly believe01:23:47
that I truly believe that that and that01:23:50
that's the proper way for work and and01:23:52
and for those of your viewers who are01:23:55
feeling nihilistic and depressed and01:23:57
upset about the state of the world it's01:23:59
like yes it's like that gives you01:24:05
something to do there's nothing there's01:24:14
no food value here my brain is going to01:24:17
explode I can't take it anymore what the01:24:20
[ __ ] was that crap how could people01:24:23
listen to that [ __ ] and say oh you did01:24:26
so much for me I mean I was inspired to01:24:30
dye my shoes and it just made such a01:24:32
difference in life I tied my shoes I'm a01:24:36
real great guy now Jews died I'm sorry01:24:46
this is and this is so [ __ ] insane01:24:49
there's more rationality in a Jerry01:24:52
Falwell sermon than this [ __ ] I mean at01:24:57
least even holed up like a pocket watch01:24:59
and go oh yeah sure01:25:01
it just happened yeah that kind of01:25:06
stupid argument makes more sense than01:25:08
that crap start with yourself by01:25:13
constraining the catastrophe of being01:25:15
with right get yourself to tell yourself01:25:18
what to do these yourself is doing it01:25:21
wrong so yeah tell yourself to get01:25:23
yourself out of your self problem and so01:25:25
yourself can be self eating doing better01:25:27
selfing stuff it's pretty simple that01:25:30
just tell yourself I mean what so it's01:25:32
the big deal01:25:35
just have yourself send yourself an01:25:37
email didn't the domain of your own01:25:43
responsibility and then you have a01:25:45
meaning for your life is like life is01:25:47
you have a meaning for your life if you01:25:49
understood what that [ __ ] was whatever01:25:52
that crap was and again all this talk01:25:55
about meaning like this is somehow01:25:57
people don't know what means something01:25:59
they do know what means something I have01:26:02
a problem finding meaning the problem is01:26:04
they're trying to find a value equation01:26:06
that makes sense where the whole thing01:26:08
isn't fricking way too expensive01:26:13
meaningless and suffering is everywhere01:26:15
it's like well come back to suffering01:26:17
with your forthright and noble heart and01:26:19
see how oh yes right I'll stick that on01:26:22
us I'll put that right on a stick my my01:26:24
forthright and noble heart01:26:28
gonna be like a little like rays will01:26:31
come out of it and you know be like in01:26:34
the Rings or something you know no rings01:26:36
you know no special ghosts people will01:26:38
show up and they'll take care of01:26:39
everything and I fixed malaria and01:26:42
everything everything's fine on earth01:26:44
pilot [ __ ] you know I'll somehow that01:26:48
the the big eye of the Trump the big01:26:51
[ __ ] all-seeing dope I knock it off01:26:57
his pedestal with my little thing on his01:27:00
dick works yeah we should not let the01:27:07
only highly motivated people in the01:27:09
world be the worst among us so so I and01:27:11
again is give me some examples of these01:27:14
worst among us oh you mean those people01:27:18
defending those disabled people or01:27:20
somethingö those [ __ ] how dare they01:27:23
let's talk a little bit about a good old01:27:25
friend dopamine I've talked about this01:27:27
in the realm of addiction on the show01:27:29
before but the relationship between01:27:32
dopamine and goal-setting is something01:27:34
that people don't generally understand01:27:36
and I always love being able to look at01:27:38
the physical substructure behind absurd01:27:40
losses right right right this has01:27:43
anything all all these little specific01:27:45
these are all little scapegoating things01:27:47
you know I01:27:48
oh you just changed the dopamine level01:27:50
in your brain all of a sudden you're01:27:51
smart instead of a stupid idiot all of a01:27:55
sudden you can recognize that01:27:58
oh yeah eating animals I'm financing01:28:00
that I'm paying people to torment them01:28:03
and then I'm paying to have them01:28:04
slaughtered and packaged you know01:28:06
completely unnecessarily because there's01:28:09
so many other things I could possibly01:28:11
eat and somehow all understand that better01:28:13
if I have some more dopamine a pile of01:28:17
[ __ ] yes well so yes the news there is01:28:23
very good so dopamine is part of the01:28:26
seeking system it's produced nellis the01:28:29
seeking system has been very well01:28:31
defined by two neuroscientists I would01:28:33
say one is Jaak panksepp that's J aak01:28:36
panksepp PA NK s CPP who wrote a great01:28:39
book called affective neuroscience and01:28:42
that's outlined in my reading list on my01:28:44
website and the other is Geoffrey Gray01:28:46
who is a student of hands I think who is01:28:49
the most highly cited psychologist that01:28:51
ever lived and Geoffrey gray and Jaak01:28:54
panksepp for both genius I think Freud01:28:58
decided more often whatever this is01:29:04
unfortunately they're both de Mai they01:29:05
both have are just deceased but they're01:29:09
their research and the research of all01:29:11
the people ager01:29:12
I wonder if they're having existential01:29:14
crises wrong because they were both01:29:17
familiar with hundreds of thousands of01:29:20
papers and hundreds of researchers01:29:21
dopamine locks you on to the scent so01:29:26
what it does is it's a it's it's it's01:29:29
it's a chemical that's manifested in01:29:31
relationship to the pursuit of goals01:29:33
okay so here's the issue the more01:29:36
valuable the goal the higher the motive01:29:39
the higher the quality of the01:29:40
motivational state associated with its01:29:42
pursuit right so if your goal is I feel01:29:45
like [ __ ] then you'll commit suicide and01:29:50
if the goal is01:29:54
let's see what would be the nihilist01:29:57
problem01:30:01
I slept with 300 women this year um01:30:05
getting tired your submission statement01:30:09
B maybe I'll hire it done now man you01:30:16
really want to know that because I might01:30:18
say well aim high and you might say well01:30:21
well why and I might say well because01:30:23
that's how you redeem the world from its01:30:25
suffering it's like aim high because you01:30:28
redeemed the world from its suffering so01:30:30
if you know whatever acquire wealth and01:30:35
build yourself a mansion on top of a01:30:36
hill there you redeemed all of the01:30:40
suffering World War 2 was worth it01:30:42
because you're living in a mansion on a01:30:44
hill and all the little boys got shot01:30:47
that donut shut off and [ __ ] it's all01:30:49
worth it their suffering was nothing so01:30:53
great that you're on the mansion in the01:30:55
hill start but then I could say well01:31:02
there's nothing that you could possibly01:31:04
do that will be better for you from a01:31:07
motivational perspective you know like01:31:09
you don't you don't want to set an01:31:11
impossible goal and continually fail01:31:12
that that's you have to be intelligent01:31:14
Andy about this you have to set goals01:31:16
that you know you can successively01:31:19
approximate with you're aiming high and01:31:21
then what happens is that you know let's01:31:23
say you'll comp with something but it01:31:25
doesn't move you anywhere you care about01:31:27
well then the net psychophysiological01:31:30
consequence of the accomplishment is01:31:32
going well just understand that most01:31:34
people in the circus says where the01:31:35
accomplishments gonna be based on01:31:37
something where I have to like01:31:38
outperform some imported laborer who's01:31:43
desperate and working for $10 an hour01:31:46
and blah blah blah and it might take me01:31:48
30 years at that rate to get anywhere to01:31:53
be zero but let's say you accomplish01:31:56
something small even but it moves you01:31:59
towards something extremely valuable01:32:00
well you're gonna get a kick out of that01:32:02
and that kept that dopamine kick that's01:32:04
going to bathe01:32:06
the neural processes that you use to to01:32:11
attain that accomplishment in in in the01:32:14
fluid that rejuvenates and strengthens01:32:17
them literally literally that's what01:32:20
happened yes literally you have01:32:21
daydreams about winning the lottery oh01:32:24
yeah I can't go buy some tickets oh okay01:32:29
that's really profound thank you because01:32:32
doesn't just feel good it it it01:32:35
reinforces the structures that produced01:32:37
it so it's nourishing nourishes that you01:32:42
that you want to bring into existence01:32:43
okay so just all you need is the01:32:46
dopamine you all of a sudden you'll be01:32:48
able to figure out how yeah inheritance01:32:50
is good and white people are better than01:32:52
black people01:32:53
yeah you'll be able to figure out all01:32:55
their great philosophical knowledge that01:32:57
oh yeah it's all about manipulation01:33:00
ownership of the system and sure so if01:33:06
you want if you want to remain in stasis01:33:10
then you can get your dopamine with01:33:12
alcohol and cocaine but you'll pay for01:33:15
that because for every heavenly01:33:16
experience you get that way you'll get a01:33:18
counterbalancing hellish experience that01:33:20
will be a greater says you so there's01:33:23
absolutely no proof of that either I01:33:25
don't even know if there's any real01:33:27
connection between alcohol and dopamine01:33:29
frankly yeah I don't know how distant01:33:33
doesn't seem exactly to work that way I01:33:36
mean there is the period you go through01:33:37
where yes everything is funny but you01:33:40
also go through you know all kinds of01:33:42
emotional swings01:33:43
so there's periods where you know the01:33:46
dopamine is kind of low in my experience01:33:50
significance generally speaking it's a01:33:53
negative well your a lot of the younger01:33:56
set to video games are the way that01:33:59
video games of course specifically01:34:00
engineered as dopamine pellet01:34:02
dispensaries you know they they actually01:34:04
test these things I have to make sure01:34:05
that the gradation of challenge and01:34:07
reward is enough to keep you hooked but01:34:10
of course it is an empty experience01:34:11
because you can fool you well they're01:34:13
really not that empty a lot of them so I01:34:16
mean some video games are emptier than01:34:18
others quite obviously but some of them01:34:20
have you know very elaborate plots and not01:34:23
some questions that are brought up and01:34:26
raised lots of circumstances and trade01:34:28
off some things so it's not exactly and01:34:31
it's puzzle solving which is good01:34:33
practice it's like doing crossword01:34:35
puzzles or you're gonna say that doing01:34:37
crossword puzzle should is nonsense and01:34:40
rubbish and nobody should do them I mean01:34:42
it's silly it's good brain practice01:34:46
dopamine system but you can't fool your01:34:48
soul as to what they were actually01:34:49
achieving anything in the world deep01:34:51
down well I'm well yeah I didn't think01:34:54
anybody was arguing that videogames are01:34:56
solving the world's problems yes I01:34:58
didn't think somebody was making that01:35:00
argument it's entertainment Stefan but01:35:05
more sanguine with regards to video01:35:07
games because if the game is well01:35:10
structured then it there's a there's a01:35:12
manner in which it it's analogous to01:35:14
life so I think you can pick up01:35:15
generalizable skills in the video game01:35:18
environment especially if you're a01:35:19
socially isolated introvert you know I01:35:22
think that could be a way forward but01:35:23
let's be clear about that that doesn't01:35:26
mean that all you should be doing is01:35:27
playing video games right it means that01:35:30
you should make your pursuit of video01:35:32
games part of having a life and you01:35:34
should use the video games to make you a01:35:36
more effective its duh duh duh duh duh01:35:41
duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh01:35:50
yeah you can't play video games forever01:35:53
and have a wife yes it's true individual01:35:59
in the actual world well frankly you can01:36:02
have a life you just won't be able to01:36:03
afford your life that's all you just01:36:05
won't be productive at all you know if01:36:09
somebody else is providing you food in01:36:11
beverage then certainly you could play01:36:13
video games forever and have a perfectly01:36:14
candid personal life you just won't be01:36:19
of any use to the planet in any way the01:36:21
rest of the organisms won't find you at01:36:24
all useful ography well there's I don't01:36:29
know if there's anything good that can01:36:31
be said about pornography I I think01:36:33
that's01:36:34
almost laughable and ly insane so I01:36:36
guess everybody who's a big Jordan01:36:38
Peterson fan we have to figure their01:36:40
what you know they've got some01:36:43
dysfunction problems or something I mean01:36:49
well the word pornography right it's all01:36:51
kinds of different pornography but I01:36:52
mean you know if you know for me damn01:36:55
woman in the shower or something that's01:36:57
you know pretty good the what how the01:37:02
[ __ ] could that be a problem for you01:37:04
Jordan01:37:05
I mean what exactly how could that be in01:37:07
any way a vice that it's it's pretty01:37:16
much an untrammeled social evil again01:37:23
and why because it might be something01:37:26
that somebody finds aesthetically01:37:29
beautiful oh that's so offensive the01:37:34
only thing I could say about pornography01:37:36
is that its introduction into01:37:38
communities seems to decrease the01:37:39
probability of violent rape there's some01:37:42
oh so I don't think he has any real01:37:44
statistics defending any of that crap01:37:46
where pornography is introduced to01:37:49
communities how exactly is it introduced01:37:51
a bunch of kids go on the street and01:37:52
steal all the old Playboy's somebody's01:37:54
throwing out me what are you talking01:37:56
about reasonable there's reasonable data01:38:02
on that but in terms of signal01:38:04
development its says you says you01:38:07
there's any reasonable dad on that let's01:38:13
understand that you know we were01:38:16
originated in a circumstance where01:38:19
everybody pretty much was naked and you01:38:23
know even when we were wearing [ __ ] we01:38:24
weren't wearing much and the act of sex01:38:29
happened right in front of kids and01:38:31
stuff that was stuff happened it was01:38:34
everybody see it you know it wasn't like01:38:36
some invisible thing and I'm I'm sure01:38:40
that was part of normal maturation and01:38:43
you see it in other animals and they01:38:45
practice on each other and do you know01:38:47
just this whole notion that somehow01:38:51
weird somebody who recognizes that that01:38:57
they are stimulated you know by01:39:00
something and they choose to be01:39:02
stimulated by it because it's01:39:04
pleasurable is somehow committing a01:39:07
crime of some kind against mankind it's01:39:11
kinda silly it's it's not to be01:39:15
recommended then and for the reasons01:39:17
that you described it's it's it's it's a01:39:19
stimulus that is being detached from its01:39:21
purpose and there's nothing noble about01:39:23
masturbating to porn on pornography and01:39:26
and who said there was anything so when01:39:29
you're eating your caviar is that Noble01:39:32
when you're living your [ __ ] is there01:39:33
something noble about eating an animal01:39:35
no there's nothing noble about that01:39:37
there I can find everything about your01:39:38
whole [ __ ] lifestyle you [ __ ]01:39:40
prick and say what that's what the01:39:42
[ __ ] noble about that so again who's01:39:44
claiming there's something Noble so01:39:47
again this idiotic argument I have to01:39:50
defend eating a dessert now there's01:39:53
nothing Noble in dessert eating Jordan01:39:56
was what's your excuse for doing it why01:39:59
are you eating desserts you stupid son01:40:01
of a [ __ ] you [ __ ] waster somebody's01:40:05
making some sort of argument that if you01:40:07
choose instead of the chocolate cake you01:40:09
choose whatever you know cream puff mama01:40:14
wait what what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ]01:40:17
not that have a big porn fan I'm really01:40:19
not I'm not I know I see no it's like01:40:22
they made enough of it already there it01:40:24
seen one seen at all kind of thing I'm01:40:26
not a big whatever but I mean it's just01:40:29
silly to say that it's somehow it01:40:31
doesn't make sense for a male to realize01:40:33
that he's visually stimulated by01:40:36
attractive beautiful women things and01:40:39
you know different shapes and forms and01:40:42
- now and then indulge in a little bit01:40:45
of wallowing in that just like he would01:40:47
watch a movie or something else I mean01:40:49
what a pile of [ __ ] and I think everyone01:40:53
knows that even if you regard it as a01:40:55
physiological necessity for01:40:56
people who are deprived but there's01:40:59
nothing about it that's a noble pursuit01:41:00
in Iceland I don't think anyone would01:41:02
ever make that the claim to the contrary01:41:05
yeah exactly and so again let's talk01:41:09
about every single one of your01:41:10
extravagances and all the extravagance01:41:12
of the kind of people you defend and01:41:14
let's see if there's any nobility and is01:41:16
there any nobility and I yacht with six01:41:18
people on it okay but 2.5 million01:41:22
dollars and there was six people on it01:41:24
last year for one day is that noble is01:41:27
that a noble waste of money01:41:30
colossal waste of money perhaps you01:41:35
shouldn't be pursuing it so I'm in with01:41:38
it with drugs like cocaine cocaine is a01:41:40
direct dopamine agonist and you know01:41:42
with rats you can get lonely isolated01:41:45
rats who live singly in cages to take01:41:47
cocaine in preference even to eating01:41:49
insects you can get to any yes addictive01:41:56
substances are like that so yes in01:41:59
deference to is the key word though so01:42:02
they don't mind having an interactive01:42:04
life but if you're gonna give them a01:42:06
choice to go to their mother-in-law's01:42:08
house or just snort some coke01:42:11
[ __ ] [ __ ] that [ __ ] yeah that's not the01:42:14
coke so I this is a playing he's playing01:42:17
with the experimental evidence to give01:42:19
an impression that really isn't true01:42:21
cocaine doesn't make rats or mice01:42:24
anti-social it's just that they prefer01:42:27
it over social contact I prefer a good01:42:33
cigarette rather than munching with01:42:35
molecule fact and doing the proper rap01:42:41
things01:42:42
addicted to cocaine well and this is01:42:45
I've talked about before with regards to01:42:46
addiction that people who have a01:42:48
dopamine deficiency will often feel01:42:50
normal for the first time in their life01:42:52
they're not pursuing at high they're01:42:53
pursuing basic normal functioning and01:42:55
what happens is when they get the extra01:42:58
dopamine it crashes down lower than it01:43:00
was before if they people in normally01:43:01
yeah and it wears off and bla bla bla01:43:03
bla bla so yeah whatever all this stuff01:43:06
about what you know let's let's let's01:43:08
talk about the Abner01:43:10
human what he needs instead of we're01:43:12
supposed to be a conversation of what01:43:13
the normal humans are doing the ones are01:43:15
already don't need some dopamine to01:43:17
figure out that life's important [ __ ] is01:43:21
going on forever I really want to finish01:43:23
this damn it01:43:24
yeah like a hundred and then somebody01:43:26
who's normally like 20 gets to 80 they01:43:28
feel vaguely normal and then they01:43:29
realize the agony of their existence01:43:31
even more which is one of the reasons01:43:32
why they pursue it again whereas people01:43:34
who go from 100 to 150 go back down to01:43:36
100 they're like yeah you know this is01:43:38
not so bad so let's talk about the we01:43:42
talked about the difficulty of it you01:43:43
know when you be talking if the pilot we01:43:44
thought popped into my mind you know had01:43:45
Edmund Hillary's famous phrase you know01:43:46
any why did you find why do you climb01:43:48
Mount Everest might you want to find01:43:49
that ma'am he says well because it's the01:43:50
Aryan one because that's where the most01:43:51
opening is right at the top because it's01:43:52
the most challenging thing you can do so01:43:54
you want a significant yeah so it's his01:43:55
ego problem right when it comes down to01:43:57
it right it's like I have set this01:43:59
challenge I'm a [ __ ] in left side and01:44:02
beat the mountain01:44:03
it's just ego crap I mean delete the01:44:07
last thing we should do is encourage01:44:08
people to do these these silly wasteful01:44:12
ambitions based on nothing more than I01:44:17
dare ya that's childish you know I mean01:44:24
it's kind of diagram just childish01:44:26
behavior not mature behavior in a matter01:44:30
of challenge and also the goals are01:44:32
ideally intrinsic to your value system01:44:35
and something that that you want not01:44:37
something where you're fulfilling somebody else's script that's not going01:44:39
to give you the satisfaction because01:44:41
you're ignorant and so so they think01:44:44
climbing Mount Everest was a noble good01:44:47
that somehow this is something we needed01:44:50
to do and thank you for doing it and01:44:52
it's obviously cured malaria yes great01:44:55
idea let's cure some world malaria by01:44:58
pointlessly climbing mountains so again01:45:01
they were just pointing out how01:45:02
something is not Noble not useful not01:45:05
good pornography okay but climbing01:45:07
mountains that's not some kind of porn01:45:09
when it's all it is it's just another01:45:11
form of porn another form of silly01:45:14
personal indulgence you know oh you know01:45:18
pointless nonsense01:45:20
nobody needs to do it in01:45:23
it doesn't have any social function it's01:45:25
a very useless fringe entertainment01:45:31
malevolent and broken and fractured and01:45:33
clueless you might want to listen to01:45:35
what other people have to say about what01:45:37
is worth pursuing and that's especially01:45:39
true if you're young it might even be01:45:40
especially true if you're young male and01:45:42
fatherless something like that01:45:43
you know so so so ever this means to01:45:45
have your young male and fatherís to go01:45:47
buy some boots and start climbing hills01:45:49
see where it leads01:45:51
oh if people are suggesting to you that01:45:54
certain pathways forward are tried and01:45:56
true you might not want to be too01:45:57
cynical about them but fundamentally it01:45:59
is the case and it's the paucity behind01:46:01
this offering program that you're asked01:46:04
to commune with yourself it's like it's01:46:06
your tragedy that we're dealing with01:46:07
it's your catastrophe in life it's your01:46:10
destiny and then you can ask yourself01:46:12
well as far as I'm concerned and then01:46:18
you can have more than uh you could say01:46:19
well what pathway would make my words01:46:21
live my life worth living optimally in a01:46:23
way that would also increase improve01:46:25
other people's lives around me so that01:46:27
we could all yes yes so let's get to the01:46:30
efficiency argument right so this is how01:46:32
clueless he is he's got the kernel of it01:46:34
right there and he doesn't apply it to01:46:36
anyone else okay01:46:38
but some loser inner city kid doesn't01:46:41
apply any sense of efficiency to the01:46:44
huge squander errs at the top side so01:46:48
the they're immune from this point that01:46:51
well what's your social contribution Oh01:46:55
colossal waste of resources01:46:57
Oh fantastic thank you so that's Noble01:47:00
wasting labour wasting human labor is01:47:04
Noble right it's like well that's a good01:47:13
game to play why not play that one right01:47:16
I also wanted to talk about how people01:47:18
find it kind of confusing because we all01:47:19
think we have this identity and that we01:47:21
use language my own experience Jordan01:47:23
when going through therapy for a number01:47:25
of years and I I mean I doggin I don't01:47:27
mean head first and very deeper okay and01:47:29
that's somehow relevant to anything and01:47:30
that sort of how yes that gives me so01:47:32
much more confidence in your perspective01:47:34
and the fact that you've got it from01:47:36
etheric no or something I don't know why people01:47:40
are so forgiving of people who basically01:47:45
say oh yeah I was wrong oh yeah then I01:47:48
was wrong again and then I was wrong01:47:49
again oh but I'm right now yeah01:47:55
didn't happen to me so fortunately I01:47:57
didn't have to transition from Christian01:48:01
to atheist or do any of those things I01:48:03
knew this [ __ ] this is all simple I knew01:48:05
it when I was 12 I was doing like three01:48:09
hours a week in the office I did like 1001:48:11
to 12 hours of journaling and it was an01:48:13
amazing experience because when I was01:48:15
that well my identity was much more01:48:17
complex than I thought I call it the01:48:18
Miko system like I'm not just one thing01:48:20
I'm like a multiplicity of systems and01:48:21
voices and ideas and arguments and try01:48:23
and find balance like a rain forest you01:48:24
gotta find balance of the ecosystem01:48:25
finding balance seems to be the key but01:48:27
I found that my identity was so founded01:48:30
on language that the two were absolutely01:48:33
inexplicable I could not even think01:48:34
let's understand the balance of the01:48:36
rainforest will kill you right you go in01:48:38
the rainforest a bunch of parasites will01:48:40
own you and you'll die whatever of01:48:44
myself outside of language I could not01:48:46
describe my own experience I could not01:48:47
describe my own thoughts ambitions or01:48:49
dreams without language without01:48:50
conversations with myself and so the01:48:52
idea that we have an identity based on01:48:54
language that is alterable by language01:48:57
is really close now whatever we don't01:48:59
need language to say me hungry me horny01:49:01
so I mean I really we could just get rid01:49:02
of the words and I would know what horny01:49:04
is I know what hungry is so you know I01:49:06
would hug me yeah not that complicated I01:49:17
mean you know we don't try and build a01:49:19
bridge by yelling the word bridge in a01:49:20
pile of rocks you know but the idea that01:49:22
we can you look at a palm rocks on you01:49:28
you yell bridge you know a lot of other01:49:30
people come together and soon you have a01:49:31
bridge and so oh yeah that's really how01:49:33
it works I've seen that happen so many01:49:35
times in life what I see is a bunch of01:49:37
idiots praying to a God who never01:49:39
answers and never fixes anything and and01:49:42
thinking of God oh thank you for01:49:44
throwing me off the cliff but not01:49:46
killing me this thank you for01:49:49
throwing me off a cliff oh yeah but you01:49:51
didn't kill me it is through language01:49:56
that imagination is transformed into01:49:58
reality force yeah we put some William01:50:03
James on the website he said he just01:50:04
said remind de niro and off the campus01:50:06
he was a great psychologist he said he01:50:08
did not know what he thought until he01:50:09
had written his thoughts down yeah but01:50:11
if you tell people yeah I just don't buy01:50:13
this argument that people weren't01:50:14
thinking a million years ago of course01:50:16
they were thinking they just weren't01:50:17
thinking using words they were using01:50:19
symbols you know tree dog things wolf01:50:24
whatever they're using symbols and01:50:26
combining the symbols but the concepts01:50:29
were still concepts they knew the01:50:31
concept of fire burned burned bad know01:50:37
burn understand how much they can01:50:40
literally create their own future01:50:41
through language01:50:43
it's like magic you know we have this01:50:45
whole idea of spells you know that the01:50:46
two things and and the world changes you01:50:48
get fire balls you can always a future01:50:50
you can compel truth but that's actually01:50:51
how language works with identity exactly01:50:53
well that's where you should watch very01:50:54
carefully what you say oh we can put01:50:59
jinxes out each other won't that be fun01:51:00
well maybe I'll go research that01:51:03
business you know they say it's true01:51:05
that I can just come up with a spell and01:51:07
I can you know invert their anuses that01:51:10
would be fun because you you bring the01:51:13
world into being through language and01:51:15
that's why you shouldn't say anything01:51:16
that you don't you shouldn't say things01:51:18
that make you weak and wrong and so if01:51:21
you listen to yourself talk you can tell01:51:23
when you say things that make you weak01:51:24
and wrong because you get weak and wrong01:51:25
as soon as you save them won't you give01:51:27
an example of one of those weak and01:51:29
wrong statements please okay01:51:32
it makes me weak and wrong to recognize01:51:34
that pigs are just as sentient as dogs01:51:37
why am i petting the dog when I'm01:51:40
persecuting and got the pig in a01:51:42
concentration camp does that make me a01:51:44
[ __ ] hypocrite oh it makes me weak01:51:48
and wrong how am I wrong you don't want01:51:53
to pay any attention to that because you01:51:54
may have your approximate reasons for01:51:55
saying them but one of the most01:51:57
effective exercises that a young person01:51:58
can undertake and perhaps even people01:52:00
are not so young is to start listening01:52:02
to yourself talk and feeling it in your01:52:05
body something Carl Rogers recommend it and01:52:07
notice when you say things that make you01:52:10
strong and when you say things that make01:52:12
you weak and unless you want to be weak01:52:14
stop saying things weak right stop01:52:17
acknowledging the truth so that's all01:52:19
he's saying just just shut the truth up01:52:22
okay don't let the truth get to you that01:52:25
you actually have to practice the piano01:52:28
to be a great pianist so when your brain01:52:31
says you suck at playing the piano Oh01:52:33
ignore that because you're really great01:52:35
even though you suck I mean there's so01:52:37
many people like that now right they01:52:39
think they're accomplished yeah when01:52:43
they're just not and it's a very uncanny01:52:46
experience to do that because you'll01:52:47
find that so much of what you say you're01:52:50
sacrificing yourself to the to the whims01:52:52
of the moment and it's a very bad thing01:52:54
to do because you end up as the01:52:56
sacrificial victim to the women yes01:52:58
please examples please real-world01:53:00
examples not 4000 year old examples but01:53:03
once you give me a real-world example of01:53:05
this [ __ ] this is [ __ ] so at the01:53:10
moment and there's nothing in that01:53:11
except self contempt and and the waste01:53:14
of a life so yes you'd be very careful01:53:16
with what you say and then with regards01:53:18
to the use of language while writing C01:53:20
the right way to write is to write down01:53:22
what you think and not worry too much01:53:23
about its content just write down what01:53:26
you think like William James said and01:53:27
then to think about what you think it's01:53:29
a recurring process you know and that's01:53:31
also what you're doing when you're01:53:32
talking to someone because the person01:53:34
listens and criticized it's an exchange01:53:36
ideas and it's a dance and if it's the01:53:38
right dance you're both dancing towards01:53:39
the truth but you can do that with01:53:41
writing it's like well whatever you01:53:43
think about this I don't know write it01:53:45
down write down everything you think01:53:46
about that don't worry about if it's01:53:48
right or wrong and then take a look at01:53:49
it and separate the wheat from the chaff01:53:51
right that's what the logos does at the01:53:54
end of time right he had 40 whatever01:53:56
silly trillion isms for life and he cut01:53:59
it down to 1201:54:00
trivial isms for life go pet a lobster01:54:05
there really it works trust me when01:54:09
Christ comes back with the sword in his01:54:10
mouth01:54:11
he's language incarnate he divides the01:54:13
world into the save to the Damned that's01:54:15
what you should be doing with yourself01:54:16
the time and you use it I don't01:54:18
understand that Christ comes back with a01:54:20
sword in his mouth what does I mean01:54:30
humans are just pathetic the language to01:54:34
do that you made yourself us who am i01:54:36
what multitudes are within me let me01:54:38
express them on paper let me cast the01:54:40
multitudes within me that I do not wish01:54:41
to associate into the pit and retain01:54:44
only what's best how can that be01:54:46
anything must be what people are01:54:48
thinking when they're writing all the01:54:50
instructions you get with stuff now you01:54:51
know where the instructions are01:54:53
completely completely disconnected stick01:54:57
item a in your left ear and you know I01:55:01
mean it's like it's perfect and the idea01:55:07
that we must defer gratification fades01:55:09
away if we don't have a higher01:55:11
aspiration I mean I think everybody's01:55:12
known in their life pretty much people01:55:15
who will do or say anything to achieve a01:55:17
Pyrrhic victory in the moment you know01:55:18
like oh I'll ask a late to the point01:55:19
where other people with this low or the01:55:21
back off and head back away and then you01:55:23
feel the sense of victory in the moment01:55:24
or people who've done wrong but refused01:55:25
to apologize because they think it will01:55:27
make them look weak we'll just right the01:55:28
opposite of the truth people be01:55:29
genuinely apologize or perceived by any01:55:30
reasonable person is incredibly strong01:55:32
and so bold01:55:33
yeah like anybody does any of this crap01:55:35
everybody sends their apologies through01:55:38
their lawyer yeah the virtue is in a way01:55:45
if just having high a goal that01:55:46
sacrifices immediate comfort and if you01:55:48
don't have that higher goal you have no01:55:49
reason to sacrifice it needed comfort01:55:50
which means you all right and that's all01:55:56
these guys are saying though there so01:55:58
there's such a duplicity here that the01:56:00
one meant they're saying the we have to01:56:01
give the youth this immediate idea that01:56:03
they're gonna win in their we get will01:56:05
gets right in their grasp and and then01:56:08
they're saying no you have to have this01:56:10
sense of responsibility that maybe your01:56:12
generation won't be the one that gets01:56:14
all the benefit but the future will you01:56:16
know this kind of you know what a pile01:56:18
of horseshit yes and those ancient01:56:22
people who were sacrificing in the most01:56:24
primordial manner01:56:25
offering blood sacrifices we're playing01:56:27
that out as a ritual before they could01:56:29
understand01:56:30
it's like like understanding what01:56:33
throwing virgins into volcanoes so you01:56:36
have better crops there's something to01:56:38
understand except boy that's really01:56:40
stupid [ __ ] [ __ ] hey you know01:56:46
when you good then you sacrifice the01:56:50
whims of the moment to it and that is01:56:52
the delay of gratification so again this01:56:55
crap like somebody everybody's walking01:56:57
around going what's the highest good01:56:59
when they know that they don't even have01:57:02
to go anywhere near the highest good01:57:04
they just have to have enough impulse01:57:05
control not to throw their garbage out01:57:08
the [ __ ] window that's we learned01:57:12
even the concept of delay of01:57:14
gratification would wouldn't it be01:57:15
possible for us to formulate without01:57:17
centuries of blood sacrifice this guy is01:57:21
a kook blood sacrifice has something to01:57:23
do with philosophy amazing and you need01:57:29
something you need you need something in01:57:31
your life that's worth making sacrifices01:57:33
to and then the question is will let you01:57:34
sacrifice to the highest possible good01:57:36
and that's easy you you offer up your01:57:39
own life to the highest possible good01:57:40
and use and the highest possible good is01:57:42
what God how can a rational person make01:57:51
any sense of this [ __ ] sacrifice01:57:56
everything about yourself it isn't01:57:57
worthy and that's terrifying for people01:58:00
because maybe 95% of he was unworthy01:58:02
highly likely that's a lot of burning01:58:05
off to do I mean really this again so01:58:09
he's talking about there's nothing to be01:58:11
down about everything is just fine01:58:13
you're just letting your you know your01:58:16
little nasty bits confuse you with any01:58:18
kind of problems there's no real01:58:20
problems and then he basically says yeah01:58:21
95% of uses scumbag01:58:29
and it feels like your if your identity01:58:32
is around more immediate pleasures of01:58:34
victories in the moment sacrificing01:58:35
yourself to a higher ideal feels that01:58:37
you are self erasing it feels like you01:58:39
won't have an identity or you feel like01:58:40
you're hollowed out and you become sort01:58:42
of a puppet for something else yeah01:58:43
which is quite the opposite of the truth01:58:44
you actually gain an individuality I01:58:46
think an individual is round having a01:58:48
life purpose that is around better in01:58:50
the world and and struggling against we01:58:52
always know that they're gonna be bad01:58:53
people after in the world you know what01:58:56
they're trying to say but let's just say01:58:58
I'll paraphrase into this kind of01:59:01
poignant well look there's there's01:59:02
missions you can have where like you can01:59:03
join a club and then you find out the01:59:05
leaders of the clubs are crook and he's01:59:06
just you know it's all a fake and it's a01:59:08
big fake thing and it's just we just01:59:10
wasted all that energy or you can become01:59:12
the leader to the club and then you're01:59:14
so caught up in being I'm great I'm01:59:17
doing great stuff you're not paying any01:59:19
attention to what the cause is and so01:59:21
you don't really do anything useful with01:59:23
your power except you know like most01:59:26
charities create a whole network of01:59:29
people are saying oh aren't we love love01:59:30
aren't we always so love love we're so01:59:32
full of love love for doing such love01:59:34
love in the world we're love love love01:59:35
love love they're not doing [ __ ] they're01:59:37
just spending all the money okay on01:59:40
their cupcakes mmm they're you know01:59:43
they're they're their show the show01:59:47
charity show it's coming to town we're01:59:51
gonna struggle to achieve their aims and01:59:52
just the old saying goes the only the01:59:54
only thing necessary for evil to triumph01:59:56
is for good men and women to do nothing01:59:57
and so it is a cosmic battle it is the02:00:00
battle for for good and evil we can't02:00:01
expect you able to give a little quarter02:00:03
and if you're not gonna sacrifice yourself to a higher purpose and to be a02:00:06
better person the life of that you live02:00:08
for the life of your children will end02:00:09
up being absolutely under right and02:00:11
you're just all financed by a bunch of02:00:13
inherited money so again it's just yeah02:00:16
like it's a fair fight anyway too bad02:00:20
you won't fight a fair fight02:00:22
because we'll all end up like Ivan02:00:24
Denisovich some some frozen siberian02:00:26
campus starvation the most appropriate02:00:31
way to conceptualize the world is as the02:00:32
battle dis the gulag is coming round02:00:35
between good and evil man you know you02:00:36
might say well no but look here02:00:38
something man you know that's like that02:00:40
is one of the most common tropes in02:00:41
videogames so look02:00:43
look let's take video game seriously for02:00:44
a minute okay so the first thing we02:00:46
might note is that it's video game02:00:48
replication of reality that's trying to02:00:49
computer technology forward because the02:00:51
highest possible demands for02:00:52
computational technology are made by02:00:54
people who want to build artificial realities and those are manifest in02:00:56
games so those are artificial realities02:00:58
okay now you want to entice someone with02:01:00
the artificial reality by making it as02:01:01
engaging as possible what do you do you02:01:03
set it up as the stage between good and02:01:05
evil and you have people act out a02:01:06
heroic adventure right but that oh that02:01:09
all goes bad because obviously the02:01:11
heroic adventure just depends on how02:01:13
much fun it is to be you know a pig in a02:01:16
slob so it it has the reverse effect and02:01:19
then you end up with the whole whatever02:01:22
that video game is where you just02:01:24
basically you know drive too fast and02:01:27
break everything and then you might say02:01:32
well are you trying to replicate reality02:01:33
why do that an answer is because that is02:01:36
reality and you are replicating it and02:01:38
if you don't do it it won't attract your02:01:39
your game players and so the game02:01:41
players are playing this out now you02:01:43
don't want and that's okay that's what02:01:44
children should do they should play it02:01:45
out in fictional worlds now there's time02:01:47
to grow up and put away childish things02:01:48
of course and sometimes that might02:01:49
involve video games but you can't it's02:01:52
not tenable in our modern world to make02:01:55
the pronouncement that the notion that02:01:56
the cosmos is a battleground between02:01:57
commune with some well you know there02:02:00
are you about the danger the evil of02:02:02
porn but there's a real danger in the02:02:04
sense that video games do provide a02:02:07
world that is so much more controllable02:02:09
and so much more where you can really02:02:14
act out you can you can you can be02:02:19
yourself and that's sort of that that's02:02:24
problematic I think in trying to go back02:02:26
into the real world where you've got to02:02:28
put the handcuffs back on and you gotta02:02:31
you know you're gonna restrain your02:02:35
impulse so I think there is a danger to02:02:39
it our kicks superstition02:02:41
quite the contrary no business to that02:02:45
but bodies cloud I'm sure that's02:02:47
absolutely for sure if you if you can't02:02:49
see evil in the 20th century it's02:02:51
because you're either you either blinded02:02:53
yourself or you have not looked those02:02:54
are the options yeah well it doesn't02:02:56
matter02:02:57
right right so exactly you say that the02:02:59
nihilists are a big problem because02:03:00
they're not seeing anything and then you02:03:02
say what you can't see it right so the02:03:04
whole argument they're making is so02:03:05
stupid the point isn't the division02:03:07
between the people who see it evil and02:03:09
the people who don't see evil it's the02:03:11
fact is is that I see you as evil and02:03:13
you see me as evil that's the truth of02:03:15
it that's the real conflict so why are02:03:18
you keep arguing with things that don't02:03:20
exist here that aren't the real problem02:03:22
your problem is me okay and my problem02:03:26
is you close off with and I hate to so02:03:34
say the elevator pitch but I really02:03:36
really do want to we'll put the links02:03:38
below people go check out self altering calm02:03:40
it is not expensive at all couple of02:03:41
bucks couple of hours everybody has time02:03:44
and and you really really need to do it02:03:45
but of course that's somebody who's been02:03:46
at the forefront of getting people02:03:47
motivated and seen the effects I wonder02:03:49
if you can give people a sense of what02:03:51
they can gain by going through this and02:03:53
very cheap and not even that time we're02:03:56
not gonna play with his little02:03:58
moneymaker02:03:59
alright so that's a good reason to quit02:04:01
right there the commercial interruption02:04:07
so anyway sorry probably you could just02:04:17
do the summation video and just say look02:04:19
this is this idea of your social02:04:21
obligations and then your obligations to02:04:23
yourself and these two things are not02:04:26
necessarily compatible they don't lay on02:04:28
top of each other very well what you02:04:30
want and what you're entitled to are not02:04:34
necessarily anything close to the same02:04:36
thing and ideas to create a system okay02:04:39
where you can have a fair shot at02:04:41
getting what you want within the02:04:44
boundaries of not being a glutton and02:04:46
having some control mechanism so one02:04:49
little human doesn't spoil the whole you02:04:51
know doesn't drill holes in the boat02:04:57
anyway though till next time and such02:04:59
this is I didn't like I said I'll go02:05:01
find some nihilist right so I mean I was02:05:10
going through the the lefties next and02:05:13
just basically on one subject you know02:05:16
the the idea that now they've got this02:05:19
idea in their head that money is02:05:22
infinite and they can just print it and02:05:24
you know borrow it forever and so nobody02:05:28
has to pay the bills I mean it's just a02:05:30
[ __ ] silly notion that's alright02:05:37
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