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Hello, I would like to welcome you to our00:00:05
baker from Tichy's insight. This00:00:09
week and next we have prepared special alarm clock reports for you,00:00:12
reports and conversations with00:00:14
backgrounds in which we00:00:16
want to take time to develop ideas in a little more00:00:18
detail than00:00:20
is possible in the usual daily news00:00:22
Today and in the next two Wecker00:00:24
issues we ask what do we do with00:00:27
a state that is obviously increasingly00:00:29
less able00:00:31
to fulfill its tasks? We all notice that, from00:00:33
crumbling dilapidated bridges00:00:35
to horrendous bureaucracy00:00:38
to non-functioning offices, we are00:00:41
pushing horrendous taxes and in return they receive00:00:43
less and less performance from the state,00:00:45
on the contrary, more taxes, more contributions00:00:48
through all the back doors, even the00:00:50
working life should be extended.00:00:53
Surveys regularly show that the majority does00:00:56
not want another refugee crisis and00:00:58
immigration as practiced by the SPD, the Greens and the FDP, and does00:01:01
not want energy impoverishment00:01:04
and the majority wants that the00:01:05
nuclear power plants continue to produce electricity00:01:07
and don't want wind turbines in the wind-poor00:01:11
interior of the traffic light coalition, it doesn't00:01:14
matter a small group has00:01:16
taken over the state wants to change it in a way that00:01:18
the majority obviously doesn't want and00:01:20
it's working less and less, no00:01:23
question, so a lot of things are no00:01:26
longer true and The further00:01:28
question arises: what do we do with a state that is00:01:30
obviously acting against the interests of its00:01:32
citizens, especially what with its00:01:35
parties?00:01:36
The parties have lost their original00:01:38
role. They are no00:01:41
longer allowed to play a role in the structure of the state.00:01:43
They have lost nothing there. This says loudly and00:01:46
Clearly Fritz Görgen von Tichy's00:01:48
insight from the fathers of the00:01:50
Basic Law was00:01:52
thought completely differently, says the historian with a doctorate00:01:54
and he knows what he is talking about. He00:01:57
led FDP election campaigns00:02:00
for Hans Dietrich Genscher for ten years, was FDP00:02:03
federal manager and, by the00:02:05
way, one of Görgen's, Ralf Dahrendorf00:02:07
He called it radical liberal, reorganized the00:02:10
Friedrich Naumann Foundation and00:02:12
ran it for over 13 years.00:02:15
Fritz Görgen knows that party programs are00:02:18
the last thing that00:02:20
plays a role in political decisions. The00:02:22
parties do what they want. In00:02:25
our detailed conversation,00:02:26
Fritz Görgen describes the misery of the00:02:29
party state and reckons with the00:02:31
parties, the parties were00:02:35
originally intended and so they00:02:36
started as an00:02:39
association or just00:02:42
a meeting place for citizens who00:02:46
wanted to know what was00:02:49
going on in politics. For a long time, the classic party meeting00:02:51
was the00:02:56
representative of the state parliament or00:03:00
from the Bundestag came to the town of y00:03:05
and told people there what was00:03:10
going on, what he was committed to00:03:14
and so on. When people went00:03:17
there they found out what was00:03:19
happening in politics,00:03:22
which ended in the late 70s In the00:03:27
80s because the age of00:03:31
mass media began, especially00:03:34
television and of course00:03:37
radio, there were already before but00:03:39
especially television and that00:03:42
led to a situation that continues to this day00:03:44
and will continue to do so, the00:03:47
MP who faces a00:03:49
party meeting00:03:52
knows at the beginning of this Event00:03:56
as much as those gathered there00:04:00
because the MP only knows everything00:04:04
from the media00:04:06
has no00:04:08
information advantage in terms of information,00:04:10
perhaps with the exception of one of two00:04:14
handfuls of top politicians and00:04:17
they will do the devil to announce something there00:04:20
that has not yet been said in the media00:04:22
They would have been immediately punished by the media00:04:25
because they first have to00:04:29
find out what is going on.00:04:32
The parties have this role of00:04:39
being the connecting link between the population and politics and00:04:42
until the Basic Law says that there is a00:04:45
nice sentence in it:00:04:47
the parties participate in the00:04:49
formation of the people's will,00:04:53
of course, they don't do that, on the contrary,00:04:56
they prevent the people from being able to participate.00:05:01
The parties have become completely00:05:03
independent. The declining00:05:06
number of members, which have fallen drastically,00:05:08
proves this on the one hand and00:05:12
the entire complicated and complex00:05:15
party apparatus with rules of procedure00:05:18
debates until after midnight00:05:20
only serve to select the people00:05:23
who are then allowed to become professional politicians,00:05:29
the parties themselves often have00:05:33
none at all, despite the party financing,00:05:36
not enough money to maintain an00:05:38
infrastructure of employees themselves,00:05:40
which has led to the00:05:44
parties' infrastructure are00:05:46
largely provided by employees of the00:05:49
MPs. The00:05:51
MPs not only have00:05:53
an employee at the place of parliament, but00:05:56
they also have a constituency employee00:05:58
and these constituency employees00:06:02
actually now represent the framework of00:06:05
party life against the law. Parties00:06:09
would have to get funding from what is known as parties00:06:16
They don't use funds to pay for their infrastructure costs and personnel costs, but00:06:18
they let the00:06:21
MPs provide this infrastructure for them00:06:25
and those who get paid are00:06:29
of course always more and more unemployed as they00:06:38
become more and more dependent on these few figures at the top of the parliamentary groups who then have access to the money00:06:41
In this way,00:06:46
the party apparatus itself has00:06:49
become increasingly insignificant because it doesn't have it,00:06:53
the party has it. Party life is no00:06:54
longer the ground where the opinions00:06:57
are formed that the then elected00:06:59
representatives of this party are supposed to listen to,00:07:02
but vice versa as a grinding mill00:07:06
for the people from above comes the blessing of what00:07:10
is right and what is wrong00:07:12
and an00:07:16
even more00:07:17
powerful effect is that00:07:20
the00:07:22
parties now00:07:25
almost only use the people they send to parliament from the00:07:28
people who previously00:07:31
worked as MPs in the districts00:07:33
and communities and so on00:07:36
A young man was sitting there,00:07:39
usually studied something00:07:41
sociological or political and00:07:45
had the infrastructure of the party office00:07:50
paid for by the MP in the00:07:53
state capital or in the00:07:55
federal capital or both,00:07:58
who had the whole day to pursue his own00:08:01
career00:08:02
for free and to use his00:08:06
means of communication00:08:08
He also doesn't spend any money on00:08:12
it00:08:14
and the number of00:08:17
MPs employees who are still00:08:20
running for a few years themselves00:08:23
become MPs is constantly increasing, which means if00:08:26
you00:08:27
stay in the parliamentary groups, let's go to the00:08:31
Bundestag, the parliamentary groups have something like00:08:33
a parliamentary group board00:08:35
but it Within this imagination there are00:08:38
at most two three four people who00:08:42
actually decide what happens and00:08:44
in parliament in the parliamentary group if00:08:47
you see a government faction00:08:51
also what happens in the government00:08:53
so a handful of people in the00:08:56
proverbial back room00:08:58
decide about democracy transparency00:09:02
no mention zero yes The00:09:07
original draft of the Republic's00:09:11
basic law before that the00:09:14
representatives received diets00:09:18
meant that they would be compensated for their voluntary00:09:22
work to a00:09:25
modest extent but would not be00:09:27
paid and would00:09:32
acquire pension entitlements for the rest of their lives and permanently00:09:35
determine our own salaries was00:09:41
part of the primordially democratic situation00:09:43
The principle was that parliaments are00:09:48
not allowed to decide in favor of their own members,00:09:51
they are00:09:53
only allowed to decide on matters of the general public00:09:56
but not about themselves.00:09:59
The German parties have been ignoring this for00:10:02
decades now,00:10:06
with the only result being that even more00:10:09
money is spent is growing and awakening00:10:12
and now00:10:13
not only00:10:15
the party apparatus is growing into the00:10:18
parliaments and a few00:10:22
parliamentarians are determining what happens in the00:10:24
party. They are now sending00:10:27
their people to the ministries -00:10:30
tons of people who have00:10:33
no qualifications at all who00:10:38
decide on the normal civil service route must00:10:41
have prerequisites training of this and that00:10:44
kind more training more demanding for00:10:47
the higher service than for the higher00:10:50
and the simple service00:10:52
and it is not that easy to00:10:57
climb up the hierarchy within the civil servants and now the00:11:00
parties simply do not send people from the outside from00:11:03
the famous NGOs00:11:07
Government organizations that are almost all00:11:13
financed predominantly through tax revenue for one, so it's00:11:16
time to rename them government organizations,00:11:18
but these people00:11:22
also consist of tons of people who have00:11:30
studied something political and sociological or psychiatry or something00:11:32
and who regularly have00:11:36
n't completed their studies and therefore have00:11:40
never gained any professional experience in the00:11:43
profession they originally chose,00:11:47
but have become members of parliament directly from00:11:50
official work in the party or00:11:53
in an NGO like that00:11:56
and are now being sent to the00:11:58
ministries. I've00:12:01
actually been waiting the whole time for00:12:03
an uprising in the civil service He00:12:05
says that the people who can't do anything come and00:12:09
grab the best positions for us. We00:12:12
can't get them anymore.00:12:14
You can still00:12:16
become a state secretary through normal civil service channels. It's00:12:19
unlikely that he already had three where00:12:23
only one would be needed anyway, which00:12:25
were pushed in by One of the parties00:12:28
of the respective governing parties00:12:31
started this whole error00:12:33
development in the grand coalition.00:12:36
When the grand coalition00:12:39
came about, the change of government00:12:44
no longer worked in one respect, so if00:12:47
the FDP00:12:51
correlated with the SPD instead of the CDU, well00:12:55
then that's just the way it is and so many CDU00:12:57
officials either remained in their00:13:00
posts and were no longer00:13:03
promoted and new hires00:13:07
no longer came from the CDU but from the00:13:09
SPD00:13:11
but when the grand coalition of CDU and00:13:14
SPD was closed there were suddenly00:13:17
not enough resigning and00:13:20
resigning officials The00:13:22
civil service apparatus simply had to be enlarged so00:13:25
that both major parties00:13:27
got enough positions.00:13:29
This was started with the00:13:32
invention of the parliamentary00:13:35
state secretary, so this00:13:38
sin again the separation of powers that00:13:41
a voted-out representative who, as a00:13:45
parliamentarian, should control the respective government00:13:48
even if they also00:13:52
if you a party itself is in the00:13:53
government00:13:55
becomes a member of the executive,00:13:57
so to speak, it controls itself00:14:00
just as it is an absolute condition00:14:03
that the Federal Chancellor and the ministers00:14:06
are also members of parliament.00:14:09
Of course, the00:14:12
members of the executive from the00:14:14
chancellor downwards should not belong to parliament00:14:16
and if they previously belonged to00:14:18
parliament They should have been listened to at00:14:21
the moment they are elected for00:14:23
humor he would have to00:14:25
resign his mandate not00:14:28
let it rest resign and then00:14:31
someone else comes along but this whole00:14:34
separation of powers is turned upside down,00:14:37
downright turned upside down and that's what00:14:40
happens In the German judicial system,00:14:44
the prosecutors are00:14:46
bound by instructions to the00:14:48
respective justice minister.00:14:50
We should have an independent prosecution,00:14:54
yes, and the judges00:14:57
are also appointed by politicians.00:15:01
In a real democracy, of course,00:15:05
the judges00:15:07
and the heads of the police and the00:15:11
prosecutors must be elected or voted out by the people00:15:15
At the respective level of the00:15:18
magistrates, the00:15:21
members of the community and the00:15:23
village council also vote and if he is no00:15:26
good then we vote him out.00:15:28
That is democracy and not and00:15:32
independent judiciary and not what we00:15:35
have, as far as I know, I do00:15:37
n't think I am It's crazy that this00:15:40
system of state steps based on instructions00:15:43
only exists in Germany and00:15:45
Austria.00:15:46
No other country in the world knows this00:15:49
system. The parties have completely00:15:54
reduced themselves to the00:15:57
nomination role of politicians, i.e.00:16:00
MPs, and00:16:03
have become pure career machines and everything00:16:06
else is a superfluous accessory00:16:09
You always hear from00:16:12
people from the ordinary people, yes, but the00:16:16
party programs that they decide on are the ones00:16:19
we can decide on when we00:16:22
vote.00:16:23
Yes, dear people, I have been in00:16:26
this business for decades and I know it from the00:16:29
inside and the party programs up and down00:16:32
are the very last thing00:16:34
that plays a role in political decisions.00:16:38
Party programs are decided in the00:16:41
archives, so to speak, and no pig00:16:45
how to do it. No elected pig cares about00:16:48
the park party program. They00:16:51
then do what they want.00:16:58
This whole system has completely gotten out of hand00:17:01
since00:17:03
coalition agreements If00:17:04
coalition agreements are concluded,00:17:08
something that is not in the coalition agreement00:17:11
cannot be done,00:17:14
so they first have to come together for new coalition negotiations, so to speak,00:17:18
if some new problem arises00:17:20
or if they have to change something in the coalition agreement00:17:23
that is simply not00:17:25
possible, so00:17:27
why is there still a00:17:29
parliament for00:17:30
coalition agreements?00:17:34
In extremely rare and mostly00:17:37
insignificant cases, the parliamentary group leadership generously00:17:43
lifts the group's obligation and the00:17:45
MPs are allowed to vote freely.00:17:48
Damn and so-called in the Basic Law it says00:17:51
MPs are only obliged to their conscience00:17:53
and it is also00:17:57
in it and not bound by instructions, yes00:18:00
I mean young politics years00:18:03
We have already scoffed and not00:18:05
tied to transfers,00:18:09
so anyone who has been active in a party long enough and even00:18:12
remotely as long00:18:15
as I have knows00:18:17
what is happening in there and what is00:18:21
going on in there and how the railways00:18:22
decisions are made and the goods decisions are made00:18:25
I can also add a00:18:27
wonderful quote from the former00:18:31
tax officer who once said in the presidium during a00:18:35
heated argument in the FDP,00:18:38
people, people,00:18:43
all really important decisions00:18:46
are made without exception in committees00:18:51
that don't have00:18:53
two three four people, at most often only00:18:57
two00:18:59
sit at the meal together and00:19:02
decide what happens to them in matter A or00:19:05
B.00:19:07
How was the coalition between the SPD and00:19:10
FDP00:19:14
agreed in 1969?00:19:17
Walter Schiller called Willy Brandt00:19:19
and then they said at00:19:22
Christmas and then the two of them00:19:24
said do what,00:19:26
that was the decision-making00:19:31
which coalition In00:19:33
1969, after00:19:36
that, meetings of00:19:39
federal executive boards were formed and the devil bites everything that00:19:42
took place, rituals,00:19:46
rituals, everything was fixed, how did00:19:49
the current traffic light coalition00:19:51
come about, the coalition of red-green-yellow, that00:19:54
was probably a little more complicated, yes,00:19:56
they have to do a lot more don't do it00:19:58
but yes Scholz will have taken his00:20:03
party wife Saskia with him00:20:06
or had to have taken him with him and with the00:20:11
Greens came halt and bärburg and00:20:14
with the FDP the Lindner00:20:16
probably came alone00:20:18
yes more than a few people did00:20:22
n't really find out about it, they00:20:24
made that up00:20:25
but In the meantime,00:20:28
we could no longer say that we00:20:30
have to first negotiate a coalition agreement00:20:31
down to the last detail and00:20:34
then it is processed like a00:20:36
shopping list. Where is there still00:20:39
political decision-making and00:20:42
political decision-making in which00:20:44
the parties behind it are00:20:46
involved They don't exist at all00:20:49
and when party congresses00:20:52
approve these coalition agreements, well00:20:56
the party is in good hands, we00:20:59
have enough employees of00:21:01
MPs who do their business in the constituencies00:21:04
and00:21:06
influence people accordingly.00:21:09
Unfortunately, there are no statistics from which you00:21:11
could tell how many of the00:21:15
party conference delegates themselves00:21:19
are personally materially dependent on the party00:21:24
as they are not00:21:26
published. I doubt that there are00:21:29
scientists who dare to00:21:31
deal with something like that. It would be00:21:33
extremely interesting how many of the CDU00:21:36
I think has 1,000 party conference00:21:39
delegates or 2001 and how Many of00:21:44
them are free at all00:21:48
and are not directly or indirectly00:21:52
dependent on the CDU. Many thanks to Fritz Garn00:21:55
for the detailed and informative00:21:56
conversation. The next part is about00:21:59
where political decisions are00:22:01
actually made. Finally, they allow00:22:04
an advertising reference to the00:22:07
German industry, which is constantly influenced by the middle00:22:08
is in free fall,00:22:11
jobs and prosperity are threatened for00:22:13
everyone, the cause is inflation and00:22:15
the energy crisis. The00:22:18
non-profit Bergstrasse Academy in00:22:20
Seeheim hosts a youth center and the initiative00:22:23
saves our industry, a conference with00:22:26
Professor Werner Patzelt Dietmar,00:22:29
Professor Fritz Fahrenhold,00:22:31
Michael Schellenberger, Professor Thomas00:22:33
Koch, Dr. Hans Bernd pilkan Professor00:22:36
Thomas Meyer and Roland Tichy00:22:38
when on January 19, 2023 where in the Grand00:22:44
Elysee in Hamburg so saves our00:22:47
industry on January 19, 2023 in the Grand00:22:51
Elysee in Hamburg you can find more information00:22:53
at the internet address saves -00:22:56
our industry point de00:22:59
we thank you for listening and it00:23:02
would be nice if you recommend us. You can00:23:03
read more current news00:23:05
regularly on the website this is00:23:07
einblick.de and we'll see you00:23:10
again tomorrow for the second part of the conversation00:23:13
with Fritz Garden if you like00:23:14
[music]Description:
Heute: Was machen wir mit einem Staat, der offensichtlich gegen die Interessen der Bürger handelt und aus dem Ruder läuft. Vor allem: Was mit seinen Parteien? Denn die haben ihre ursprüngliche Rolle verloren. Und: sie dürfen auch keine Rolle mehr im Staatsaufbau spielen. Da haben sie nichts verloren. Das sagt laut und deutlich Fritz Goergen von TE. Von den Vätern des Grundgesetzes war das auch vollkommen anders gedacht, sagt der promovierte Historiker. Er weiss: Parteiprogramme sind das allerletzte, das bei politischen Entscheidungen eine Rolle spielt. Die Parteien machen, was sie wollen. Webseite: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/ Newsletter: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/newsletter/anmeldung/ Wenn Ihnen unser Video gefallen hat: Unterstützen Sie diese Form des Journalismus: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/unterstuetzen-sie-uns
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This feature is available in the UDL Helper extension. Make sure that "Show the video snapshot button" is checked in the settings. A camera icon should appear in the lower right corner of the player to the left of the "Settings" icon. When you click on it, the current frame from the video will be saved to your computer in JPEG format.
What's the price of all this stuff?
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