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0:00
Intro
2:23
Cliffe & Stuart On Debating Christianity At Colleges
10:04
Is Speaking In Tongue Real & Witnessing It First Hand
22:31
Shawna Gets Emotional Recounting Her Most Powerful Experience With The Holy Spirit
31:15
George Tells A Personal Story & Should We Be Share Our Intimate Experiences With God?
44:33
Are Rankings Amongst The Church Going Against the Bible?
48:47
The Danger In Seeking For Signs
59:48
George Gets Emotional Talking About His Father, How Cliffe Saved His Life & The Fine Line Of Who's Going To Heaven
1:10:05
Never Read Just A Single Bible Verse
1:18:40
Pre-Marital Counseling & Battling Lust In Relationships
1:24:52
Cliffe's Most Revisited Chapters In The Bible & The Balance Of Ritual
1:34:17
Cliffe Ends The Podcast By Breaking Down "The Lords Prayer" Line By Line
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if you're not going to shoot the messenger don't compliment the messenger
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go straight to God I often think about
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the donkey that Jesus rode into
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Jerusalem if the donkey would have
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thought wow they're really excited to
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see
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me that's saying the way to heaven is by
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being a good person no false wa they
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pull out a gun on you guys I feel sorry
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for them what a ganger line bro ritual
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can be mindless empty and meaningless
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how can I explain to somebody that
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you're never going to be perfect but yet
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you're still going to be good enough to
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go to heaven how do I teach a man to
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believe that when I can't believe myself
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you bet good question George I'm just
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fight I only way it's not often I sit
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down with somebody and they say
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something that makes me
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think you give me something to think
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about way had a lot of fun on this
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interview good
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evening you guys know that you guys are
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my first reoccurring guests yeah and I
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and I specifically wanted you guys to be
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my recurring guest because you guys are
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my favorite episode I've ever had on the
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George jenko show and I don't care if a
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guest's watching this and their feelings
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are hurt too
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bad thank you for welcoming us into your
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home this is thank you so much like a
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Hallmark movie you guys live in a
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Hallmark movie and by the way um I don't
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know if you we could cut this if you
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don't want me to say this but um
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steuart's daughter is the spoilers
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little girl I was like what do you guys
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do here for fun goes oh she rides her
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ponies and I was like I sorry what you
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mean Pony right and he goes no no ponies
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and he goes sweetheart which one do you
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want she goes I want the brown
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one no it was it was very very cute I'm
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actually going to uh I recorded you guys
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just like letting her ride around and
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you're holding her and he's holding the
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horse and it was I'm jealous I I want
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that life and if you don't give me that
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life you're giving me the ring back
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which by the way you guys were hearing
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Wedding Bells the last time we were here
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congrats uh thank you thank you um
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before we get started I just wanted to
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say thank you to both of you guys uh not
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only did you guys give us such an
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incredible episode last time but uh I I
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would call Cliff at just like the
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craziest time of ours like I'm just
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reading this man and it's not making
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sense or if I would be debating somebody
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I'm like I'm calling the big guns Siri
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call Cliff I would just uh so I really
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appreciate you you privilege how was how
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was everything guys how how have you
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guys been awesome Stuart's behaving very
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very well we had great got many
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spankings as a kid Mississippi State
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University last week and he did a great
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job so how how is the touring how what
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what do you how do you guys like decide
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where you guys are going to go it's
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mainly the organizations that invite us
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so we usually ask for at least two
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student organizations to invite us and
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if we get those invites and they got a
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lot of energy especially and they're
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going to consistently be out there every
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day of the week then we'll go but gosh
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this last big university Mississippi
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State so Bible Belt and we usually don't
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go to Bible belts cuz always wants to go
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you can explain it it's just the Deep
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you know deep south big schools usually
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where everybody's a Christian some of
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those are more cultural Christians
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though and so some pastors will try and
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like talk them out of their cultural
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Christianity but this one we saw so many
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I mean hundreds not thousands of strong
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strong Believers and they're so pumped
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to really change their school their
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County they're you know there's a whole
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state for Christ which was amazing so
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it's really that energy behind it and if
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we have those organizations
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it makes it way easier so UNC Chapel
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Hill is the next one and that'll be way
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more secular supposedly we might get
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stoned there like stepen so somebody
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said that but I think it'll be good
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there's a lot of more secular liberalism
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there that makes that push which is what
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you love you love the edginess how does
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it feel right so you just came from a
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school where yeah everybody is very
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excited to be on this path to to change
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things around them and then how do you
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prepare yourself to go into a school
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where you feel like you know you're
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probably going to get rejected you're
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not going to get positive you know
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feedback how how does that feel you're
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get nervous oh we're always nervous yeah
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because uh we are fully aware of the
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fact that we don't convert anybody
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that's the Holy Spirit who does that so
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our responsibility is to be faithful and
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to communicate as clearly as we can as
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reasonably as we can in a way that
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connects with people there was something
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I never talked to you about and anytime
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I would give you a compliment every time
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I would give you compliment it felt like
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it was it was like an Uninvited
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compliment from you were the only person
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I've ever complimented was like I'm done
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complimenting this gu he is so
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uncomfortable I'll be like I said one
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compliment cuz I truly this is how I
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painted it and I said this to him this
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is a very very elaborate com compliment
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because I thought about it it wasn't
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just like I just gave it to him uh I'm
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sitting and looking at the stars and I
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see some stars are brighter than some
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right but they're still all beautiful
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just some are just a tad bit brighter
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and I told them I go I believe in the
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eyes of God when he looks down I think
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you're the brighter one because of what
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you do and like how passionate you are
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and he just looked at me goes okay thank
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you and I was just like I sat there and
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I prayed about it I was like there's a
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reason why he doesn't accept my
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compliments fully I could feel like you
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just don't want to take the pride with
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it and then I thought about it you truly
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walk around thinking you're you're just
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the messenger like you're not you you
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don't you don't want to take any of the
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uh the glory the glory yes perfectly
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said like that's right you don't want to
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take any GL and your action show like
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for real it shows and it it changed the
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way that I behave so when people
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compliment me now I go if you're not
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gonna comp if you're not going to shoot
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the messenger don't compliment the
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messenger go straight to God so thank
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you for opening up my eyes with that I
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often think about the donkey that Jesus
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rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday can
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you imagine with all those people waving
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The Palms and throwing the garments in
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front of Jesus who was on the donkey if
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the donkey would have thought wow
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they're really excited to see
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me
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wow well I don't want to be that donkey
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yeah that's
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so I I I I wanted to ask cuz she said
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how does it feel going into a place
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where you might not be wanted have you
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guys ever been to a place where your
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your life's in danger speaking the word
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of God because B and I were just talking
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about how Canada is putting this like
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restriction is like almost a law now
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they're going to be putting it in that
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you're not allowed to freely speak out
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about your faith uh in in a certain way
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where they could say oh you're demeaning
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somebody else's so they're trying to
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make that a law I see that going in a
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very dangerous place right um have you
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guys ever been in a place where you're
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like hey let's let's talk about Jesus
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but like not too
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loud I what I've seen when I was three
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through six or seven years old Berkeley
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was the most intense so write out where
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you guys are really and whenever I go
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visit my wife in San Francisco her
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family rather she lives with me but
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whenever I'm out there I try and go and
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step on Berkeley's campus and have a few
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spiritual conversations you know we
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don't set up shop but some type of
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conversation and a lot high percentage
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of the football team are Believers but
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they shared with me that the culture
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around them is so antithetical and just
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angry at God so that was the time that I
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felt in danger I would say I know I know
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there's been a couple fake guns that
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people brought out and they just jum get
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jumped on by security obviously
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immediately wait they pull out a gun on
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you guys yeah a fake gun yeah yeah how
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do you feel about
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that I feel sorry for them what
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a bro you John Whit
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BR you have no idea what you just
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did how do you hand how do you
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deescalate these situations you guys
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just walk away you let somebody else
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deal with it we just keep going ignore
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it because a lot of it is a lot of it's
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acting a lot of it is uh putting on a
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mask an image so we just ignore it and
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keep going wow that's Brave the annoying
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thing though is when Christians come out
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and they say we have the exact way that
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you have to share your faith and it's
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either one-on-one very quiet or it's
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very sensitive you never debate I heard
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this line from a Christian which didn't
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really make any sense at all she said
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hey look we need to agree with a
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non-believer in every kind of way before
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we have any type of discussion and I
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said well we do some debating because we
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don't try and what we believe is to True
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tolerance our culture is I think is
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totally misunderstanding what true
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tolerance is what we believe it is is
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being able to dis with ideas but always
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loving the person so attacking those
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ideas but never attacking the person and
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so it's so unfortunate when we have some
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of those Christians come out and say hey
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Cliff you need to be speaking in this
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kind of way not this and it's more than
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than one it's not a ton you guys just
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pack up and leave
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or no we just keep
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going the only group that shut us down
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is the LG btq group that didn't even
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know what we were sharing they probably
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thought we were just firing Brimstone
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Prett out there and they came out and I
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remember feeling this feeling of it was
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one of my first years doing this with
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you I felt guilt like what are we doing
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out here are they right there was 35 of
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them and they literally just got in the
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middle of our discussion with somebody
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and so I remember walking away from that
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feeling defeated but you wrote you know
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you quickly got to my emotions in a
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powerful way just saying no we're not
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going to let the gospel be completely
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unhinged by a certain angry group of
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people know we're going to keep keep
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fighting for Christ it's not about us so
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don't get insecure Stuart allow this
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just to roll off your back so I really
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appreciated that it helped I love you
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guys relationship yeah truly you guys
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are so sweet and it's amazing how you
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know close you guys are you guys are not
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just you know Father and Son but you
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guys have a real friendship which is so
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beautiful to see and to be able to work
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alongside one another and live next to
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one another you know like that's a
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really beautiful thing to have
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appreciate that I uh I have we have like
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two hours right Reed because we we
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actually we like you guys are far from
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the airport let's just put it that way
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so we got like we calculated that to
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like make sure we get so I want to just
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get right into it so we don't waste any
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time cuz to be honest every minute here
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is so precious and uh this is for them
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for me I have your number I'll call you
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whenever I need uh but I kind of wanted
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to bring up some things that uh that we
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talked about
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because it sits in my mind a lot and I
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realize that
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Christianity and also any other religion
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is just a bunch of people trying to find
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their cre Creator and they're trying to
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understand their creator so it's so
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funny the more and more I fell in love
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with Christ and the more I stepped
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closer to him is the more tolerance I
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have for everyone it's so weird because
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the closer I get to Christ the more
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garbage I feel as a human being so when
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somebody else steps closer to me and I
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used to look at them be like buddy buddy
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hey you got to clean it up like I'll
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look at them be like it's not even that
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bad like you know like like the the
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separation between me and you is is like
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nothing compared to like me God so right
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so there was one I was debating with
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this gentleman and my God I love his
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passion I love his passion even when we
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challenge each other he's if I challenge
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his his his theologic like standpoint
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and his viewpoints on the gospel like
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he's never offended he's so thirsty to
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see like is he carrying something that I
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should learn but we've been going back
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on two things one is uh the speaking in
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tongue
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I want to like I I want to learn from
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you guys right because in the gospel
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talks about speaking in tongue uh so
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many times and
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uh but
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there's so many different versions of
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tongue that people see it as I I want to
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know what do you guys think tongue in
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the gospel is Acts chapter 2 the day of
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Pentecost there were a lot of people who
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spoke different languages and all of a
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sudden the Apostle Peter stood stood up
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and communicated the gospel and the Holy
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Spirit gave the apostles the gift of
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tongues meaning by that they were able
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to speak in languages that they had
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never spoken before in they had never
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learned and the Holy Spirit gave them
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the ability to speak those language to
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communicate the gospel amen the second
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use of tongues is in 1
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Corinthians uh speaking in tongues is in
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a language that nobody knows it's a
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unknown language but there must be an
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interpreter there so the Holy Spirit
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comes Upon a person they speak in an
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unknown language that nobody
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knows a message from the Holy Spirit and
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then there has to be Paul writes an
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interpreter so it just can't just be
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gibberish but it it sounds like
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gibberish at first but then an
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interpreter steps in and interprets and
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who is so that is a
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thing okay go ahead and who is The
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Interpreter and how can they understand
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the gibberish that is being said right
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it's the Holy Spirit who enables both
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the speaker of the tongue and The
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Interpreter to communicate the message
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and if there's a breakdown there Paul
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says watch out that's not from the Holy
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Spirit my only concern is this like I I
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oh sorry I didn't mean to flick that
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spider towards you it just came at me
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and I had no idea what to do sorry I'm
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so sorry I didn't know what to do
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spiders here I just uh I thought you
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could handle it um thanks for that
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compliment so sorry uh okay so I asked
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them I go why do you need to speak in
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tongue right cuz when I saw the
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scripture I read that and it made sense
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fire Came From Heaven into their mouths
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for them to speak in different languages
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that makes sense right because if Jesus
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came down and he's like hey I need you
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to go talk to my people his people are
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all over the world so my mind is tongues
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different tongues Let me Give an example
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when I think of this I think of when
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people can't speak my language my
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dialect because their tongue cannot bend
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to the way I talk because they didn't
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practice for years how to say or
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anything like that right I just said
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like a weird food by the way just like
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or like uh shaki or like things that
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like you're like you can't even like a
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white guy like chakaki like there's no
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way his tongue can mend because he
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doesn't practice my dialect so in my
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mind I go okay they have the the the
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power of tongues for they them to speak
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French Italian all this stuff
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immediately so he could so they could
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get the gospel out that makes sense to
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me but the Babbling part doesn't make
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sense to me so I want to I want to go
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over that part because he told me uh
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yeah you need it because like for
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example when you're speaking to the holy
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spirit in Tong and by the way they his
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version is they could just break out at
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any moment and Just sh and to me that's
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like a little disrespectful to the
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gospel I I think right and so when I see
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that I go why do you need to do that and
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his answer was so the devil can't
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understand your plans with God and right
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there that fired off a signal and I told
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him I go buddy you could hear my message
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the devil could hear my message and all
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of his friends could hear the message
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because if I'm talking to God I could
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care less what the devil's listening to
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because if I'm talking to God he's going
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to Bow willing or non- willing like it's
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not his chance or choice to interfere
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with my relationship with Christ
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right but you say that there is a a
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version where they're speaking in like
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gibberish and that other man translates
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it interprets so if his word is forever
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and always right it's Jesus is the same
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is their tongue going on now have you
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guys witnessed this with your own eyes
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have you guys ever spoken in
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tongue I've never spoken in tongues but
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we see people at our church speak in
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tongues over somebody especially if
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they're suffering and it's one of the
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more powerful things I've ever seen
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really because there's some type of
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access they have to the Holy Spirit
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right out of Acts chapter 2 that you see
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that you think wow if they were directly
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just speaking in English or Spanish
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whatever it might be there's there's
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something less powerful there so I don't
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want to make it a gimmick I don't want
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to make it a type of oh you know this is
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how we work towards God because it's all
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about me and my ability with tongues I
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don't want to make it that way but I
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have certainly seen the tears flow I've
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certainly seen this level of depth that
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that you don't typically get with with
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your own tongue well I don't get it so I
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okay I'm going to put myself as an
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example not to talk about myself but
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just because I only watched myself grow
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up uh I've had a relationship with God
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in a very very young age I would go at
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like like third or second grade there
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was a church right next to my house and
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I would sit in the field and just talk
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to God as a child but I never spoke in
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tongue I never had the ability to speak
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in tongue I meet gentlemen like you guys
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that have Faithfully worked for Christ
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never spoke in tongue so why is it that
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I should even believe that another man
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is speaking in tongue like how do I and
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and how do I translate that and how do I
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not get angry at that that just it
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irritates me because
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like how can I look to my neighbor and
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try to convince him that Christ exists
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and I and no disrespect when I say this
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to anybody who believes in tongue but
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like I'm like yeah Christ exists he
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could be there for you read the gospel
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speak back to you and then I have a guy
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over here going and I'm like bro like
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how do I and I and no disrespect no
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disrespect I mean this sincerely like
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this guy looks like he's going off the
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rails like he's not mentally there and
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then I'm trying to explain to this
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person that you should take my Bible
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seriously how do I how do I even bridge
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this if myself I don't believe in this
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you know what Ian mhm how do I how do I
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be a good Christian boy just keep
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focusing on Christ keep challenging
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people to read the gospels for
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themselves you and I as thinking human
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beings owe it to ourselves to read
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Matthew Mark Luke and John which are the
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historical eyewitness accounts of how
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Jesus lived taught died and rose from
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the dead and then ask is Jesus
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trustworthy does the evidence point to
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his reliability his credibility or does
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it not and the other stuff you you're
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going to have to just keep going how
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come Jesus never spoke about tongue good
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question Jesus didn't spoke about didn't
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speak about a lot of things remember the
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gospels are selective accounts of what
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Jesus spoke about yes and John writes at
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the end of his gospel if I was to record
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everything that Jesus said and did there
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wouldn't be enough pages to fill it but
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okay question isn't that a a level of
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like blessings I'll give you an ex when
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my when somebody brings that theory up
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to me there's not enough paper on Earth
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to write his blessings my thought
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process is the piece of paper that
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you're holding is a blessing the fact
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that you even have that piece of paper
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and it came from a tree that he gave to
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you is a blessing I think that there's
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nothing you could touch see feel hear
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without his grace right that so that's
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what I think that verse
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means I just I guess that one's just
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hard for me to like digest I don't know
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like it is hard George it's very hard is
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that bad of me does that make me wicked
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no it's hard for me what's really
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embarrassing for me is when I'm about to
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start the open air and some well-meaning
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Christian comes up and says Cliff do you
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have the gift and I used to be able to
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say yeah I'm single I got the gift of
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s you're proud of that one I'm glad I
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don't have that gift but uh I know what
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they're referring to and they're
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basically asking me do you speak in
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tongues and I say no I'm sorry I don't
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have that gift and they say oh I'm so
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sorry to hear that and I say well now if
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what you're communicating to me now is
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that I'm missing God's best because I
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don't speak in tongues let me tell you
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something I'm about to speak out here in
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front of these students why don't you
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take my place because you're supposedly
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closer to God than I am yeah and all of
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a sudden there's some quick backpedaling
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oh no no no no no that's not what I
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meant okay it's the Holy Spirit who
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gives gifts one of those gifts is
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evangelism another is Administration
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another is serving another is
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encouragement and one happens to be the
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gift of speaking in tongues and the gift
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of interpretation it's the Holy Spirit
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who decides who gets what gifts I don't
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decide and if the Holy Spirit wants to
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give you that gift I'm going to thank
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him in Matthew 6 too you get great
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answer what's that you don't get jealous
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oh speaking in Tong just being honest
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bro like he's talking the Holy Spirit
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talk right like I I I kind of flex on
00:20:03
people when I'm like I'm Aramaic and
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they're like what's that mean I'm like
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watch Passion of the Christ and they're
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like I don't need subtitles like you
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know mean that's a little flex but like
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I would get so jealous right right okay
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I'm so sorry go ahead please and MTH no
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no that that's a good point we could get
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jealous of any type of spiritual gift
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easily y so what I see in the gospel of
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Matthew you have that fascinating point
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on prayer where you're supposed to go
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into your closet and pray to your father
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who is unseen but then Jesus speaks ill
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of the type of Prayer Warriors who are
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on the street corner babbling and it's
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really interesting if you get into the
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Greek there what babbling means it means
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just talking at God and trying to
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impress Men by doing so so what I've had
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to do unfortunately I had to go in and
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break up a little Inner Circle where
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there was a bunch of people really upset
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with one person who came in and said you
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have to have the spiritual gift of
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speaking in tongu in order to be saved
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so not just to be spiritually mature but
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you're literally not going to heaven if
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you don't have it that's against the
00:21:04
gospel right but that's kind of the
00:21:07
negative side of it we see I think in
00:21:09
prayer as well as the gift of tongues
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where you have to be so careful with it
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right so what do you know about the
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baptism of the holy spirit because
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that's something that God brought up um
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when you know George's friend was
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talking about speaking in tongues
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they're saying that in order to gain the
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gift and gain that communication with
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God that you know there's a baptism but
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then there's the baptism of the Holy
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Spirit and then that comes you know from
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the firmament and him blessing you with
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like this fire in your Holy Spirit and
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giving you the gift of are are you
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talking about the scripture where it
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says You must be baptized with the water
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and the spirit are you talking about the
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verse are you talking about did somebody
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bring this up to you I'm speaking about
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what the person you were talking of that
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speaks in tongues remember when they
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prayed over us and they said that in
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order to gain the gift it was just a
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prayer and then it was the baptism of
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the Holy Spirit may I may I interrupt
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you here too yes pleas
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uh this is this is actually interesting
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cuz I know that is it might be
00:22:06
disrespectful but I'm going to be
00:22:07
vulnerable and honest because I I'm
00:22:09
vulnerable and honest with the gentleman
00:22:10
that I argue with uh not argue debate
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kindly with um once they told me about
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this and the other thing I'm about to
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bring up afterwards I kind of not lost
00:22:19
respect but put my guards up I'm not
00:22:21
going to listen to this guy because it
00:22:22
gets scary because when when I hear
00:22:24
somebody kind of tiptoeing in a
00:22:26
direction that I think might be led by
00:22:27
Lucifer I tend to shut my ears because
00:22:30
it freaks me out but the same guy that
00:22:33
we're now understanding might be on the
00:22:35
path of true righteousness and I might
00:22:37
have been wrongfully judging his Spirit
00:22:40
man is different is different when him
00:22:44
and his loved one the the girl that he's
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with uh prayed over Bell and you could
00:22:50
speak this but it I saw it in her eyes
00:22:53
it was different it was I'm actually
00:22:55
kind of getting Goosebumps Goosebumps
00:22:56
all over my body it was they they they
00:22:59
prayed over us and it was it felt like
00:23:00
such a deep powerful prayer and it was
00:23:05
actually all he it
00:23:07
is
00:23:10
sorry I cry every podcast now oh my god
00:23:14
um but it was actually that
00:23:20
night I'm so sorry it's all right good
00:23:23
you're good yeah I love how passionate
00:23:26
she is great no I like I know that you
00:23:28
see this as a bad thing but like it's
00:23:31
such a blessing that you're able to show
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this deep of yourself on camera it's a
00:23:35
talent it's really I like I can't talk
00:23:37
about God without Cryme but um um no it
00:23:40
was it was that night after that prayer
00:23:42
that like I had my I feel like my first
00:23:48
true encounter like with Jesus and I
00:23:50
felt like before that time you know I
00:23:53
was I had a relationship with God and I
00:23:54
knew God and I and I did my best to lead
00:23:57
my life with the the Lord and you know
00:23:59
walking that path and you know what I
00:24:01
mean and but then but I was missing this
00:24:04
um I was missing that feeling you know I
00:24:07
was missing that true connection with
00:24:09
Jesus that feeling that I felt like
00:24:11
George had or the feeling that I felt
00:24:12
like they had you know there was that
00:24:14
something special about them that I was
00:24:15
like wow there's something about you
00:24:17
that is just so different and I and I
00:24:19
pray that I could feel that and it was
00:24:22
after that prayer and that night that
00:24:25
George and I got into a conversation got
00:24:27
into a personal conversation that you
00:24:29
know I I was feeling guilty about a
00:24:31
certain person in my life that I felt
00:24:32
like I wasn't forgiving and so we kind
00:24:34
of had that conversation and and then I
00:24:37
went upstairs and I had a prayer with
00:24:39
God and and I prayed with all my heart
00:24:42
you know for him to Give Me Faith for
00:24:44
him to heal that relationship for him to
00:24:46
give me that
00:24:47
forgiveness and it felt like the
00:24:51
most truest most powerful prayer that
00:24:54
I've ever had and after that moment I
00:24:58
just remember cuz i' had been crying so
00:24:59
much and I had makeup all over my face
00:25:01
and I was like okay you know what I need
00:25:03
to go wash my face and so then I went to
00:25:06
the sink and I and I washed my face and
00:25:08
then this voice inside my head and I
00:25:09
didn't even know that you could like I
00:25:11
didn't know you could you know baptize
00:25:13
yourself or anything like that and and
00:25:14
I'm already I was already baptized when
00:25:15
I was younger but and I was at the sink
00:25:17
and I was hearing something in my head
00:25:19
tell me that towards the end okay wash
00:25:22
your face and rinse it three times and
00:25:25
when you rinse it three times you know
00:25:27
say and the
00:25:29
son the father and the Holy Spirit and I
00:25:33
rinsed my face three times with those
00:25:35
words and afterwards it was I just can't
00:25:37
even explain it it was like
00:25:40
this it felt like I'd just
00:25:44
been cleaned like I'd been you know what
00:25:46
I mean I'd been blessed like with this
00:25:50
with like the literally like a fire in
00:25:52
my Holy Spirit and I felt just so at
00:25:56
peace and then I came back downstairs
00:25:57
and
00:25:58
George and I were having conversation in
00:26:00
the balcony and it was in that moment I
00:26:03
don't know why that when we were talking
00:26:05
about Jesus is like I it clicked like I
00:26:07
finally truly understood what Jesus did
00:26:10
for us what that meant and the sacrifice
00:26:12
that it meant and what a gift it is for
00:26:15
us and it was like I just couldn't even
00:26:18
believe it like that feeling that that
00:26:20
had been missing for so long it's like
00:26:22
had finally clicked inside of me and I
00:26:24
never felt my Holy Spirit feel so much
00:26:26
more on fire than in that moment
00:26:28
and I just yeah I just you know fell to
00:26:31
my knees and and thanked him and and
00:26:33
ever since then it's like my walk with
00:26:35
the Lord has been so
00:26:37
different is it possible that uh their
00:26:40
prayers over her was like the in a
00:26:44
basketball term like a layup for her
00:26:46
when she rinsed her face like because it
00:26:48
was right after so and man there these
00:26:51
these two couples I wish I could say
00:26:53
their name but I I I want to keep it
00:26:55
private because they are they they are
00:26:57
in the industry and
00:26:58
the way they handle their business I
00:27:00
don't want to I feel like it's unfair
00:27:01
for me to just go and speak about things
00:27:03
that they do
00:27:04
personally these guys are just like at a
00:27:06
whole different level of like
00:27:08
interacting with God and when they were
00:27:10
done praying she went upstairs and
00:27:12
that's when she had that interaction or
00:27:13
she wash her faces um to piggyback off
00:27:18
of what she's saying is her baptism more
00:27:22
looked at from God in that moment where
00:27:24
she surrendered herself to her Lord
00:27:27
actually and instead of her as a baby
00:27:29
where she like as a baby doesn't know
00:27:30
what she's doing is is there something
00:27:32
there like how how do you guys think
00:27:34
this interaction um might have been
00:27:37
tough question to ask I know but like I
00:27:39
just wanted to know your guys' what do
00:27:41
you think so we believe in Believers
00:27:44
baptism where wait till it's your
00:27:46
decision to do it rather than just the
00:27:48
sprinkling we totally respect those who
00:27:51
go about the sprinkling but I totally
00:27:53
agree it I think it's all about your
00:27:57
once you make that decision and it's not
00:27:59
just saying hey I'm going to do this for
00:28:02
you it's back to speaking in tongues
00:28:04
which is I'm going to do this in such a
00:28:06
way where I'm propping myself up it's
00:28:07
not really about the holy spirit it's
00:28:08
not really about Christ but it's me
00:28:11
becoming more
00:28:12
spiritual so so the the definition when
00:28:15
it comes to Believers baptism and that
00:28:17
surrender it is saying Holy Spirit fill
00:28:20
me I'm tired of just living with my
00:28:23
flesh which flesh the definition is
00:28:25
pride so for me it comes down to that
00:28:27
point point of Belle I I love that you
00:28:31
what's so beautiful about your
00:28:32
experience there is often times I'll
00:28:34
encounter people who say oh this
00:28:36
incredible emotional connection with God
00:28:38
and the tears just started flowing and I
00:28:40
don't I can't explain it but how you
00:28:42
brought yours right to the Cross is just
00:28:45
a tremendous thing that I know we're
00:28:47
jealous about we've talked about this
00:28:48
many times where we're all up here when
00:28:51
it comes to our faith and trying to get
00:28:53
it down here through worship and prayer
00:28:55
is so difficult you're probably like
00:28:56
speak your speak to yourself St and and
00:28:59
so so it's a matter I think of
00:29:01
connecting those two that's why Paul
00:29:03
talks about in Ephesians Open the Eyes
00:29:04
of My Heart and that's exactly what
00:29:06
you're doing when it comes to getting
00:29:08
prayed over and saying wow Jesus died on
00:29:10
the cross for my sins that changes
00:29:13
everything and my favorite Russian
00:29:15
author who might be the best author of
00:29:17
all time doeski had a very similar
00:29:19
experience like he was all in his head
00:29:21
and he said God does not exist he goes
00:29:22
into this church in Russia and he falls
00:29:25
to his knees because he's literally
00:29:26
staring at this cross for over 3 hours
00:29:29
and starting to realize the sacrifice
00:29:31
that Christ made for me and so it wasn't
00:29:33
this head connection where it was like
00:29:34
oh yeah I'm going to weigh the evidence
00:29:36
and then decide based off of the
00:29:37
intellectual side of the theological
00:29:39
argument no it was it was the head but
00:29:42
it was also the heart of finally
00:29:44
understanding that sacrifice that Christ
00:29:45
made wow and yeah you put it in such a
00:29:48
in such a good way and it was that it
00:29:50
was before it was all in my head I'm
00:29:51
trying to understand it trying to
00:29:53
capture it trying to really you know
00:29:55
what I mean like understand it but it
00:29:57
was it that night that I realized it was
00:29:59
just it's that feeling on the inside
00:30:01
that you miss you know and so yeah it's
00:30:03
such a good way of putting it wow three
00:30:05
quick points first point is when a
00:30:07
person accepts Christ that's the work of
00:30:10
the Holy Spirit and when you put your
00:30:12
faith in Christ I think John 3 which you
00:30:14
referred to earlier George about being
00:30:16
born again and born from the by the
00:30:18
spirit and the
00:30:19
water the Holy Spirit baptizes you
00:30:22
you're baptized with the Holy Spirit
00:30:23
when you put your faith in Christ all
00:30:26
right second point is you had an
00:30:28
experience a beautiful experience the
00:30:31
challenge is not to make that experience
00:30:33
normative for everybody I think it's
00:30:36
beautiful the way you washed your face
00:30:37
three times in the name of the Father
00:30:39
the Son the Holy Spirit fantastic and
00:30:41
then you had some incredible profound
00:30:43
experience and that's beautiful and
00:30:44
that's real and that's genuine that's
00:30:46
fantastic the challenge is when when
00:30:48
well-meaning Christians make that
00:30:50
normative and say okay now if you're
00:30:51
really going to get to know Christ
00:30:52
you're going to have that experience
00:30:53
that I had see God God is so big and
00:30:56
we're so unique as personalities that we
00:30:59
each relate to God a little
00:31:01
differently and to expect that
00:31:03
everyone's going to have my experience
00:31:05
or your experience or his experience is
00:31:06
a little
00:31:07
naive so keep going keep trusting in
00:31:10
Christ keep growing in him and God will
00:31:12
bless you thank good neat to hear thank
00:31:16
you It's Tricky though
00:31:19
because it's a placebo sometimes not to
00:31:22
shoot anybody's like feelings down but
00:31:24
we got to remember that there's
00:31:25
different Spirits out there mhm so
00:31:28
how can I not be a foolish man I I'll
00:31:30
give myself as an example
00:31:34
um if we're speaking about baptism
00:31:36
there's something i' I've never really
00:31:38
shared with anybody uh besides Belle and
00:31:41
my mom I took a picture in a video of
00:31:43
this cuz I was like just blown away by
00:31:46
this cuz you know there's sometimes that
00:31:47
God shakes you just to like really like
00:31:49
make sure you understand and this is one
00:31:51
that I I just can't unsee um it was
00:31:56
baptism my mom baptized me when I was a
00:31:59
when I was a baby and I grew up and I'm
00:32:02
reading the scripture and I see that
00:32:04
baptism from my point of view and I'm
00:32:06
starting to realize I got to be careful
00:32:08
how much of my point of view I share
00:32:11
because so many people now are watching
00:32:14
and I don't want them to just run with
00:32:15
what I'm saying because I I have a
00:32:18
podcast so I'm just talking about things
00:32:19
I'm passionate about not things I'm
00:32:21
fully educated about it's a day-by-day
00:32:23
thing I'm learning one day I'll be
00:32:25
sitting here being so passionate about a
00:32:27
thing and then next I'm like oo I
00:32:28
learned I got to move on from that and
00:32:30
that's dangerous because I I don't want
00:32:31
to push somebody else that watched one
00:32:33
episode in a different direction um but
00:32:37
that's why I didn't want to bring this
00:32:38
up but I want to bring this up because I
00:32:39
just wanted to get your guys's opinion
00:32:41
but I sat there and I looked at the
00:32:43
scripture and from my point of view a
00:32:45
baptism is an A miror version because
00:32:48
Jesus does this a lot right he he he
00:32:50
sets up it it it's Old Testament sets up
00:32:52
Jesus for the New Testament uh uh a
00:32:55
blessing here would would show up here
00:32:57
and and it's just it's a married
00:32:58
reflection right and when I looked at
00:33:00
baptism I saw in
00:33:02
marriage it's a proposal so like a
00:33:05
covenant with your wife is the same
00:33:07
Covenant that you're making with God I
00:33:09
promise that I am one with you am I
00:33:12
seeing that portion correct yes or no I
00:33:15
just okay so this frightened me to my
00:33:19
core because my mom is like you're not
00:33:21
getting re-baptized she goes do not
00:33:23
disrespect the Holy Spirit you're not
00:33:24
getting
00:33:25
rebaptised so now I'm the Scripture it
00:33:28
says honor your mother's teachings
00:33:30
listen to what she's saying and don't
00:33:32
forget them and then I'm looking and
00:33:34
reminds you like my Assyrian church I do
00:33:37
have disagreements with them for some
00:33:39
reason when I'm there and I see their
00:33:40
passion that they break when it comes
00:33:42
just to the the um it call it's kabana
00:33:45
in in my language I don't know what it
00:33:47
is what's the body of Christ the
00:33:49
Eucharist M Eucharist the way they do it
00:33:51
is they sit for like 5 hours and they
00:33:53
pray over it while everybody's sleeping
00:33:54
at home and then what like the the way
00:33:56
they worship is just so passionate and
00:33:58
so true and so Orthodox that I don't
00:34:00
even want to argue with them because I'm
00:34:02
like who am I to argue with this priest
00:34:03
that's been studying for so long and but
00:34:06
I have some disagreements and one of
00:34:07
them was the baptism thing so I'm
00:34:09
sitting as a grown man now thinking that
00:34:11
like I have to make my decisions because
00:34:13
I can't just run with what everybody
00:34:14
else is saying right and I told my mom I
00:34:16
go Mom I don't think that God's going to
00:34:18
honor that baptism and she's like well
00:34:20
you need to figure this out and I we
00:34:21
talk to you about it and I'm sitting
00:34:23
there I'm crying I'm in Saudi Arabia
00:34:26
like just and and I start having a panic
00:34:28
attack because something was happening
00:34:31
in Saudi that we had to have like
00:34:32
protection around us and in my mind I go
00:34:34
man like what if God forbid something
00:34:35
did happen today and I was wrong about
00:34:39
my baptism and in my mind I think you
00:34:41
need to be baptized before I go and meet
00:34:43
Christ so I'm like am I being foolish
00:34:45
I'm like I'm a grown man like and I
00:34:47
start panicking and so much so that I I
00:34:49
literally can't breathe I don't know if
00:34:51
you've ever been like if anybody's like
00:34:52
claustrophobic but if you have a panic
00:34:54
attack it's like your breaths are like
00:34:56
really short and they're not going in so
00:34:57
I excused myself from everybody and I
00:34:59
went and I took a shower for two hours
00:35:03
I'm in the shower and I'm just praying
00:35:05
and I'm crying and I'm praying and I'm
00:35:07
crying and and I'm like I don't know
00:35:09
what to do should I just go get baptized
00:35:11
and just forget what my mother is saying
00:35:13
but I also don't want to break her heart
00:35:14
and think that I'm like going against
00:35:16
her what if God forbid she's right and I
00:35:18
disrespect the Holy Spirit and I'm like
00:35:20
oh my God like I'd rather you break my
00:35:21
bones than I ever disrespect the spirit
00:35:23
so I'm literally just sitting there
00:35:24
sobbing and sobbing and sobbing and I'm
00:35:26
screaming out I go God just please let
00:35:29
this water be a baptism if I'm wrong I
00:35:31
don't want to disrespect my mom and I
00:35:33
don't I don't know what I'm doing here I
00:35:34
don't know what I'm doing all of a
00:35:36
sudden three times in my head I hear
00:35:38
this is finished and then I'm like what
00:35:40
does that even mean and then I
00:35:41
remembered that when Jesus said this is
00:35:43
finished all the the the bricks fell
00:35:46
from the temples in The Passion of the
00:35:48
Christ movie I don't know if it happened
00:35:49
in real life or in the scripture but I
00:35:52
remember that the the the the
00:35:55
the just bricks which is just break down
00:35:59
so I turned off the water and I was
00:36:00
thinking about it being finished and
00:36:03
everything breaking and behind me it was
00:36:05
a beautiful marble tiles in in the
00:36:08
shower and they all started crumbling
00:36:10
and falling down in front of
00:36:12
me so I'm looking at this and I'm like
00:36:14
oh my God was this my baptism like I
00:36:16
just don't even know so okay this is my
00:36:20
experience the reason I don't share this
00:36:22
experience is because what if it's just
00:36:24
a bunch of baloney and I go and I tell
00:36:27
another gentleman and he's like okay now
00:36:29
I got to go cry in a shower and like
00:36:30
wash myself so where do you as a person
00:36:33
who's passionate and see God working in
00:36:35
his life what what is okay to share with
00:36:38
your neighbor versus maybe you should
00:36:40
keep that one to yourself and let that
00:36:42
be between you and God because I'm
00:36:44
scared that I'm so in search of Christ
00:36:47
that I'm listening to all spirits and
00:36:50
that could get dangerous especially if I
00:36:51
have a microphone and I'm speaking to
00:36:53
other people about it I know that was a
00:36:56
long
00:36:58
thing but it's something that was just
00:37:00
weighing on my
00:37:01
chest I always see testing the spirits
00:37:04
and particularly the
00:37:05
devil as what CS Lewis talked about if
00:37:09
you're looking for the devil under every
00:37:11
Bush you're going to get tested in a way
00:37:13
that's unhealthy but then what we do in
00:37:16
the US is we don't look for the devil at
00:37:18
all and we don't test the spirits
00:37:20
because we don't believe the devil
00:37:21
really exists and so testing the spirits
00:37:23
is so crucial like you're saying because
00:37:26
it gets us right back to what what
00:37:28
scripture truly says and so the book of
00:37:30
Galatians is tied in so often so we just
00:37:32
countered at University of Northern
00:37:34
Florida a big group came out and said
00:37:36
you have to be baptized in order to get
00:37:37
to heaven I got a little intense with a
00:37:39
guy you kind of called off the dogs and
00:37:41
I appreciated that CU I let him talk for
00:37:43
a long time and he was really
00:37:45
interrupting with a lot of the other
00:37:47
love to see you guys angry I would love
00:37:49
it I love to see we need a George little
00:37:54
repentance we have to go repent so
00:37:57
anyway the book of Galatians is so
00:38:00
crucial because it literally what is so
00:38:03
explain that book first so just in case
00:38:05
there's a listener out there he doesn't
00:38:07
understand even what that book is
00:38:08
because remember the Bible for those of
00:38:09
you guys that don't know is not one book
00:38:11
it's many books it's a library all in
00:38:13
one book exactly so the book of
00:38:15
Galatians Paul is writing and he's
00:38:17
attacking the judaizers and how they are
00:38:20
setting up all different types of laws
00:38:23
Commandments you have to be circumcised
00:38:25
in order to get to heaven and so he
00:38:27
coming in saying no it's by Christ that
00:38:30
you have freedom in order to truly get
00:38:33
to heaven and so that's why I love your
00:38:35
illustration so much when you have it is
00:38:37
finished that's where we get Christ on
00:38:40
the cross and so that it is finished
00:38:43
piece shows that it was him that did it
00:38:47
and so based off of his grace we don't
00:38:49
have to work our way to God because God
00:38:52
has worked his way to us and every other
00:38:54
religion other than Christianity says
00:38:56
you have to work your way to God but
00:38:58
what you just said I I thought that wall
00:39:01
crumbling down basically shows God was
00:39:03
speaking in in such a way saying no
00:39:05
there's nothing you can do whether it's
00:39:06
baptism or anything else to get to me
00:39:08
ultimately it's by me that I get to you
00:39:11
and so Paul has to dope slat Peter even
00:39:14
at one point in Galatians saying that no
00:39:18
you're you're basically falling into to
00:39:19
the judaizers this this Israelite
00:39:21
understanding of you have to be saved
00:39:23
through circumcision through laws
00:39:25
they're very they're very um
00:39:28
Traditions yeah and and that and that's
00:39:30
the problem that I have with the church
00:39:32
that I go to but again it's like I go
00:39:34
well I don't think you guys should do
00:39:35
that but then the next day I learn in
00:39:36
the Bible I'm like all right like for
00:39:37
example the tongue thing right like I've
00:39:39
learned the closer I am to God the
00:39:41
stupider I am like so I just really I'm
00:39:43
just it's so funny because in the
00:39:44
beginning of the podcast I'm like and
00:39:46
now I'm just like oh I should really be
00:39:47
quiet and like just try to figure this
00:39:49
out before I speak about it but let's
00:39:51
let's take back right so me in the
00:39:52
shower I'm having my moment with Christ
00:39:54
okay Timothy now when he was writing
00:39:56
letters or when Paul sent Timothy to go
00:39:59
correct people he was correcting people
00:40:00
because they were putting their feelings
00:40:02
into God's work right and that's a
00:40:04
problem the one thing that Humanity
00:40:05
always does is want to send a human
00:40:08
being to finish God's work and so I just
00:40:11
don't want to be that guy how do we get
00:40:13
to a place where we like stick to the
00:40:15
gospel and we don't put our feelings in
00:40:17
she washed her face I was in a shower
00:40:20
you had your guys' own thing okay well
00:40:22
if I'm a new Christian how I can't
00:40:23
listen to all of you guys you guys all
00:40:25
sound like you're crazy this guy's
00:40:26
babbling over here this girl's crying
00:40:28
and washing her face he's breaking down
00:40:30
tablets in a bathroom like you we look
00:40:32
ludicrous we look dumb and so I don't
00:40:34
want us to reflect God in a bad way H
00:40:37
how do we preach baptism correctly how
00:40:39
do we uh because in my mind the best
00:40:41
form of preaching is by action how do I
00:40:44
show them my fruits if I'm not even
00:40:46
certain my fruits are even ready to be
00:40:48
like eaten yet like I I I am very very
00:40:51
scared of leading somebody down a wrong
00:40:54
path and I'm also scared of joining new
00:40:56
churches because they might be doing
00:40:58
what I'm doing where they think that
00:40:59
they're close to God and they understand
00:41:01
God at a different frequency like where
00:41:03
is the is the line where God's like no
00:41:05
no no follow this this
00:41:08
only okay I love your desire to not go
00:41:11
down a wrong path to test the spirits
00:41:15
and the way we do that is by reading the
00:41:17
scriptures we have that very clear the
00:41:20
challenge is many issues are not
00:41:22
addressed directly by the scriptures and
00:41:24
that's where we have to pray for wisdom
00:41:25
that's where we have to surrender to the
00:41:27
Holy Spirit now when a lot a lot of
00:41:29
people say to me Cliff it doesn't matter
00:41:32
what I believe I just want to be a good
00:41:35
person that's a religion that's saying
00:41:38
the way to heaven is by being a good
00:41:40
person no false Jesus bled and died on
00:41:44
the cross to pay the penalty for our
00:41:46
wrongdoing to forgive us and to give us
00:41:47
a gift forgiveness in eternal life so
00:41:50
the person who says it doesn't matter
00:41:53
what you believe just be a good person
00:41:56
they're preaching a religion
00:41:57
it's a religion of works it's a religion
00:41:59
of hear the rules if you do a good
00:42:01
enough job following them you'll make it
00:42:02
to heaven to Nirvana and Jesus says no
00:42:05
you'll never make it on your own you're
00:42:07
in desperate need of my help and that's
00:42:09
why humility is so important because in
00:42:11
order to say help I've got to
00:42:12
acknowledge I don't have it all together
00:42:15
I need your help right so that is
00:42:17
crucial then secondly you read the Bible
00:42:20
as you guys are doing as we're trying to
00:42:22
do and say Lord Jesus speak to me and
00:42:25
whatever you tell me to do I want to do
00:42:27
it now here's where this is really hard
00:42:30
for us living in our
00:42:31
culture
00:42:34
self-denial is an attack on a culture of
00:42:37
self assertion and we live in a culture
00:42:40
of self assertion I choose I Define I
00:42:44
tell you what's right for me I tell you
00:42:45
what's right for you whatever Jesus says
00:42:49
if anyone would come after me he must
00:42:50
deny himself or herself pick up their
00:42:52
cross and follow me so the challenge as
00:42:55
I see it is to die to my sinful nature
00:42:57
the part of me that would say it's going
00:42:58
to be my way and you better do it my way
00:43:00
no no no it's going to be Christ's way
00:43:03
God's way and I'm going to die to that
00:43:05
part of me that would assert and assert
00:43:07
and assert Cliffs way Cliffs W Cliff Way
00:43:09
cliffs in control cliffs in control
00:43:10
cliffs in control I've got to die to
00:43:12
that part and say no Lord Jesus you're
00:43:14
in control now when it comes to the
00:43:16
baptism issue George I think the
00:43:17
scriptures for me are pretty clear you
00:43:20
need to be baptized after you've put
00:43:22
your faith in Christ it's called
00:43:23
Believers baptism and that's cool and
00:43:27
and that's good but like you I was
00:43:29
baptized as an infant for me it was a
00:43:31
Presbyterian Church okay did you redo it
00:43:34
yes I happened to redo it because as I
00:43:36
read the scriptures it seemed to me to
00:43:37
be pretty clear that no you had you
00:43:41
didn't know what was going on Cliff when
00:43:42
you were a little baby and you were
00:43:43
baptized in did somebody baptize you
00:43:45
yeah well sprinkled you know they
00:43:46
sprinkled water on babies they didn't
00:43:48
put me under I'd have probably drowned
00:43:50
no I'm talking about as an adult I was
00:43:51
an adult absolutely I was put under the
00:43:53
water and brought back up and steuart
00:43:55
and I baptized people and it's a privil
00:43:57
to do that who has the authority to
00:43:59
baptize because anybody so there's a lot
00:44:01
of churches that disagree with you
00:44:03
that's right and that's because they put
00:44:05
so much emphasis on the tradition that
00:44:07
they've turned the tradition into a
00:44:09
Biblical position okay so let's talk
00:44:12
about um I keep forgetting you have
00:44:15
notes there
00:44:17
um this is gonna sorry I just got to
00:44:19
make sure I word this right so I don't
00:44:20
disrespect anybody some Churches have um
00:44:24
basic like uh no it's okay it's okay no
00:44:27
no no please we want that foot we see
00:44:29
that foot coming up no
00:44:31
no I'd rather break my legs than I do
00:44:33
that
00:44:34
uh some Churches I'll give mine as an
00:44:38
example my church is like they have um
00:44:40
they have like it's more of an orthodox
00:44:42
they they have like rankings where uh
00:44:45
you know they have like a pope or a
00:44:46
bishop or and so but I'm reading and
00:44:49
there was a scripture that I read and it
00:44:51
it I just wanted to talk to you guys
00:44:52
about this some Churches have rankings
00:44:54
where they're like okay this is the one
00:44:56
who baptizes this is the one that does
00:44:57
the exorcism this is the one who marries
00:45:00
this is the one who preaches this is the
00:45:01
one that writes the letters to everyone
00:45:03
else
00:45:05
um when Jesus
00:45:07
took two of his disciples up to meet
00:45:10
Moses and
00:45:11
Jacob Moses elah Elijah I'm sorry that's
00:45:14
why I knew Jacob was wrong Elijah um
00:45:17
they started freaking out and they were
00:45:19
like we're going to bring we're going to
00:45:20
build a church here we're going to you
00:45:22
know all the stuff and Jesus like chill
00:45:23
out but when he comes down this is the
00:45:25
verse that's very important for me uh he
00:45:28
said that the other disciples and this
00:45:30
is this is this is pretty wild he goes
00:45:34
they were giving each other regulations
00:45:37
he's the one that's going to baptize
00:45:39
he's the one that's going to do this and
00:45:40
Jesus says no no no no no is that him
00:45:43
kind of shutting down the whole ranking
00:45:45
system like is is that shouldn't that
00:45:48
kind of take down the whole like Pope
00:45:49
idea and all that stuff
00:45:51
because my theory is this I feel like
00:45:55
everybody wants a man man to finish the
00:45:58
job when I think that it should just be
00:46:00
the holy spirit so I don't think it
00:46:02
should be one man that's ordained to
00:46:04
marry somebody or baptize somebody
00:46:06
because in my mind how does the man in a
00:46:09
different country that doesn't have that
00:46:10
gentleman there to baptize him how could
00:46:12
he get baptized by his
00:46:13
neighbor how do I how do I learn about
00:46:16
this first and then preach this the
00:46:18
correct
00:46:21
way stick with the scriptures the
00:46:23
scriptures do not answer the question
00:46:26
specifically who's allowed to baptize
00:46:28
who's allowed to give communion who's
00:46:30
supposed to be preaching who's supposed
00:46:31
to be reading writing the church
00:46:33
government who says though the Bible
00:46:36
doesn't say but didn't Timothy go to
00:46:39
churches to rebuke them because they
00:46:41
were adding rules like that like for
00:46:44
example like the the churches were like
00:46:47
kind of they were I don't know how to
00:46:48
even put this I feel like they were
00:46:50
bringing like the laws of their Jewish
00:46:52
like Behavior back into Christianity and
00:46:54
that's what Stuart explained the book of
00:46:56
Galatians
00:46:57
was addressed to Jewish Christians who
00:47:00
were looking into the faces of Gentile
00:47:01
Christians and saying to them in order
00:47:03
to be a real Christian you got to be a
00:47:05
Jew you got to be circumcised you got to
00:47:06
eat kosher you got to keep all those
00:47:09
Jewish laws and Paul comes on like a ton
00:47:11
of bricks in the book of Galatians and
00:47:13
says no it's by faith in Christ trust in
00:47:16
him and then yes because you trust in
00:47:18
him you'll obey him now when it comes to
00:47:21
Timothy Paul Paul is writing to Timothy
00:47:23
who's pastoring in Ephesus and the
00:47:24
challenge there is not the judaizers who
00:47:27
are saying you got to be a Jew in order
00:47:29
to be a real follower of Christ instead
00:47:31
gnosticism is being taught in Ephesus
00:47:33
explain what that is gnosticism is the
00:47:35
idea your body is second rate your
00:47:38
spirit is really really good the god of
00:47:40
Genesis who creates the material world
00:47:42
bad God bad God because he creates the
00:47:45
material the physical the physical is
00:47:47
evil the spiritual is good no the Bible
00:47:50
teaches both the physical and the
00:47:52
spiritual is good see in gnosticism sex
00:47:55
could be oh man just do whatever you
00:47:57
want to cuz the body's insignificant or
00:47:59
be totally celibate because the body's
00:48:01
insignificant no no no no the Bible says
00:48:03
sex is a wonderful gift from God to be
00:48:06
enjoyed within the context of a covenant
00:48:07
the word you used earlier okay so the
00:48:10
physical is important but so is the
00:48:12
spiritual and in Ephesus the gnostics
00:48:15
were teaching oh no no no it doesn't
00:48:16
matter what you do with your body do
00:48:18
whatever you want to it doesn't matter
00:48:20
it's the spirit that's really crucial
00:48:22
and Paul says no no no false sex
00:48:25
bringing children babies into the world
00:48:27
is good and then in 1 Corinthians 15
00:48:30
what he says is and guess what in heaven
00:48:32
you're not going to be a disembodied
00:48:33
Spirit floating around you're going to
00:48:35
have a resurrection body an imperishable
00:48:37
body a spiritual body notice he always
00:48:41
uses the word body the same body or a
00:48:44
different body not not same in terms of
00:48:46
this but yes you will be able to
00:48:48
recognize me and I'll be able to
00:48:49
recognize you okay my second thing uh
00:48:52
that the gentleman who was speaking in
00:48:53
tongue uh brought up was uh he he's very
00:48:58
and okay by the way this is the one
00:48:59
where I was like the tongue thing
00:49:01
babbling that was already kind of like
00:49:02
out the window for me I was like this
00:49:03
guy's nuts and then the second thing was
00:49:06
uh looking for signs that to me he he
00:49:09
kept bringing up um Gideon and he was
00:49:12
like look in the scripture and I and I
00:49:14
and I I paused them I go that's Old
00:49:16
Testament you can't use Old Testament
00:49:18
philosophy because Jesus hasn't come
00:49:20
because Jesus changed a lot of things um
00:49:23
seeking for signs to me could be very
00:49:26
very dangerous because he's always like
00:49:28
okay if this happens Lord then I'll go
00:49:30
and do this but in my mind I'm like if
00:49:32
I'm the enemy and I just heard you say
00:49:33
that out loud I'm like bet you want this
00:49:35
to move and then now you're going to go
00:49:37
in this direction now you're a puppet to
00:49:39
me now anything you say I'm going to
00:49:40
just get in between you I think that's a
00:49:42
great way that the devil could use to
00:49:44
interfere then I go into the gospel and
00:49:46
it says cursed are the ones who looked
00:49:49
for signs and I'm like this is amazing
00:49:51
this is literally pointing out in the
00:49:52
direction that I'm thinking and I I keep
00:49:55
reading and he says uh instead of asking
00:49:57
for signs you should ask for signs that
00:49:59
I were already given to you but you're
00:50:01
basically too dumb to even see you
00:50:03
should reveal the ones that I've already
00:50:04
given to
00:50:06
you so now I've changed my prayers like
00:50:08
instead of me going like God I want this
00:50:10
I'm like God there's things going around
00:50:11
in my life that I haven't even
00:50:13
appreciated yet or there's signs that
00:50:15
you've already been showing me that I
00:50:16
haven't seen yet have me be wise enough
00:50:18
to see those how do I one am I wrong
00:50:23
about the signs thing and then two if I
00:50:26
am WR about it how do I gently push my
00:50:29
fellow Christian man to stop asking the
00:50:32
universe or the surroundings for science
00:50:35
it's a great question you go first I'll
00:50:37
go second well so when scripture says
00:50:39
that not even Jesus knows the day or
00:50:41
hour how is that possible exactly no no
00:50:44
but how is that if he's God's all
00:50:46
knowing right he so he's man and God he
00:50:49
limits himself exactly so I think that's
00:50:51
the limitation where he's just man
00:50:54
because obviously he had to eat while he
00:50:56
was here on Earth he had to do many
00:50:58
humanly things he wasn't just doing
00:51:00
magic tricks left and right and so if
00:51:03
Jesus didn't even know the T hour how I
00:51:06
mean obviously we're not going to know
00:51:07
the day or hour so when I see the
00:51:09
Billboards all over the place that are
00:51:11
saying he's returning at this exact date
00:51:14
you think well they've been wrong a
00:51:16
million times for one and two again if
00:51:19
Jesus doesn't know we don't know so I
00:51:21
think that's fascinating that you went
00:51:23
to Cursed is the man who looks for signs
00:51:25
has to be exactly because Revelation
00:51:27
does talk about look for signs obviously
00:51:29
as well and my my whole thing is look
00:51:33
there's a certain White Horse that's
00:51:34
coming to judge and so I'm more
00:51:36
concerned about what does judgment look
00:51:38
like and am I am I a real believer or
00:51:40
not it's terrifying for me rather than
00:51:43
you know a liberal Pastor who said to me
00:51:44
not long ago the Book of Revelation is
00:51:46
all about love just all about love and
00:51:49
good feelings and literally the other
00:51:51
guy who was on the podium with me we
00:51:53
started laughing we we literally started
00:51:55
laughing not nothing is the scariest
00:51:57
part of the Bible right exactly but I
00:52:00
think it you know around here I don't
00:52:02
know about in California what are the
00:52:03
ones for you guys but we get all the
00:52:05
time oh 911 was judgment and clearly
00:52:07
that's pointing that's a clear sign orud
00:52:10
the pandemic clearly like exactly it's a
00:52:13
judgment it's a sign that God certainly
00:52:16
is coming back very soon so you get that
00:52:18
question a lot how remind me how do you
00:52:21
answer that question again was 911 God's
00:52:22
judgment I do not know no you
00:52:28
favorite George we could open some
00:52:30
conspiracies up right now but you
00:52:32
brought up the classic illustration
00:52:33
there Gideon that is one of the most
00:52:36
misinterpreted passages in the Bible for
00:52:39
me oh Cliff I'm just going to put out a
00:52:41
fleece meaning by that I'm going to look
00:52:43
for a sign I'm going to test God and
00:52:46
then if the fleece is drenched with
00:52:48
water and the ground is dry around it h
00:52:50
sign for God or if the ground is
00:52:52
drenched with water and the fleece is
00:52:53
dry oh that's a sign go back and read
00:52:56
that account of Gideon God told Gideon
00:52:59
get off your butt get an army together
00:53:02
and kick the midianites out of Israel
00:53:04
and Gideon's
00:53:06
going are you really telling me to do
00:53:09
this I think I need a sign in other
00:53:12
words I think I need a sign for Gideon
00:53:14
was not a statement of faith it was a
00:53:16
statement of doubt I'm not sure that I
00:53:19
should really do what you're telling me
00:53:21
to do so I need you to prove it beyond
00:53:23
the slightest doubt that this is what
00:53:26
you're calling me to do so here's the
00:53:27
fleece tomorrow morning I want the
00:53:29
fleece drenched in the dry ground the
00:53:31
next morning I want the ground dry and
00:53:35
the fleece drench and so that was a sign
00:53:39
of Doubt on Gideon's part that was not a
00:53:42
sign of Faith so be careful about the
00:53:44
signs oh cuz then you're showing God
00:53:46
that your heart's now fully in faith and
00:53:49
fully in
00:53:50
belief when I brought this up to you on
00:53:52
the phone you you brought up a great uh
00:53:54
response as well you said um
00:53:57
the devil tested Jesus yep and the first
00:54:01
thing he said is you shall not test
00:54:04
God we asked for signs we're testing God
00:54:07
so even Jesus himself didn't ask for
00:54:10
signs and that's why the statement God
00:54:12
prove yourself scientifically to me and
00:54:14
then I will believe in you is so
00:54:16
dishonest first point is God's a
00:54:18
spiritual being so there's no scientific
00:54:19
proof or disproof for God and then the
00:54:22
second point is it's incredibly
00:54:24
manipulative if a guy looks a woman in
00:54:26
the face says you say you love me I
00:54:27
don't believe you unless you have sex
00:54:28
with me that's
00:54:30
manipulation no I need to allow a woman
00:54:32
to reveal her love from me as she
00:54:35
chooses not as I demand well if that's
00:54:38
true between a woman and me how much
00:54:40
more true it is between God and me for
00:54:42
me to say God in order for me to believe
00:54:45
you got to do X Y and Z that's
00:54:47
manipulation that's not me being humble
00:54:48
and open to God I think a big part too
00:54:52
is God allows doubt and it almost seems
00:54:54
like he encourages it at times you see
00:54:56
job for example doubting a bunch and God
00:54:59
allows it it's not like he starts
00:55:01
bashing him over the head but then at
00:55:03
the very end of the book of job he's
00:55:04
saying all right it's time to start
00:55:06
trusting me more and then eventually
00:55:07
blesses him I think that blessing is
00:55:09
probably tied to the faith but he let
00:55:12
him doubt and then for habach for
00:55:14
example habach was so rude to God God
00:55:16
didn't judge him he allowed him and then
00:55:18
said well things are actually about to
00:55:20
get a lot worse habach but then they
00:55:21
will get better or for when my uncle's
00:55:25
seven-year-old daughter died in a
00:55:26
horrific car accident his favorite Psalm
00:55:28
was Psalm 88 and it closes with death is
00:55:31
my only friend get away from me God and
00:55:34
Psalm 39 is very very similar and it's
00:55:37
David just being tremendously
00:55:39
sacriligious and you think God should
00:55:41
Smite this guy and yet God allows it or
00:55:44
it's the disciples in the boat you know
00:55:46
Jesus is asleep and they're freaking out
00:55:47
and saying wake up Christ well he
00:55:49
doesn't come out and Bash them and say
00:55:52
you right now you need to be believing
00:55:54
instead he gently says where is your
00:55:57
faith and so he says you have faith and
00:56:00
you're doubting he said what little
00:56:01
faith you guys have yeah exactly but but
00:56:03
in the Greek there he's saying pull it
00:56:05
out he's not saying you have no faith
00:56:07
he's say so he's not bashing them he's
00:56:09
saying simply pull it out and start
00:56:11
believing so I find it so interesting
00:56:14
that God again wouldn't say just have
00:56:17
faith and that faith will get you into
00:56:19
heaven instead it's no I understand your
00:56:21
humanness I understand that you're going
00:56:22
to doubt and every time you sin you're
00:56:25
doubting in some kind of way but learn
00:56:27
to trust me more and have that
00:56:28
relationship with me cuz so I'm sorry
00:56:32
cuz wouldn't it be too easy right to to
00:56:35
say well okay God show me like Show Me A
00:56:37
Sign show me that you're real and then
00:56:39
he would just show you a sign and you're
00:56:41
like okay because then you wouldn't put
00:56:43
Faith I think you yeah you wouldn't put
00:56:44
the work in your relationship right you
00:56:46
wouldn't put that all the effort that we
00:56:48
put into learning about God learning
00:56:50
about Jesus understanding what you know
00:56:52
he does for us and how we should and
00:56:54
could please him right right and then
00:56:57
and that it's it's almost um how can I
00:57:00
put this it's almost like the greatest
00:57:03
way of showing your love for someone
00:57:04
right is that even though you can't see
00:57:06
it you can't feel it you might not you
00:57:07
know be able to understand it all the
00:57:09
time you love him so much that you
00:57:11
believe in all your heart which is what
00:57:13
I wanted to say to you Bill that was
00:57:15
precious as George pointed out the way
00:57:16
you shared your experience and how the
00:57:18
Holy Spirit really came alive and fire
00:57:21
inside now remember Mother Teresa had
00:57:24
that when she was a teenager and then it
00:57:27
left and she writes about she wrote
00:57:29
about it in her Diaries and I was very
00:57:32
upset with some of the magazines after
00:57:33
her passing that said see she really
00:57:35
didn't believe that's baloney that's
00:57:38
total baloney she definitely believed
00:57:41
she had a profound spiritual experience
00:57:43
as a young lady and then as she got
00:57:45
older some of those feelings changed and
00:57:47
they left and she doubted well that's
00:57:50
exactly what the psalmist does it's
00:57:51
exactly what steuart was just talking
00:57:53
about so I don't know what the holy
00:57:54
spirit's going to do for you bell all
00:57:56
right I praise God and I thank him for
00:57:58
the experience you had hold tight to it
00:58:01
but don't get too upset when your
00:58:04
feelings change over the coming years
00:58:06
cuz sometimes I feel very close to God
00:58:09
and other times it's God where are you
00:58:11
100% And you know and I think too I've
00:58:13
I've really experienced that in this
00:58:15
last year where I realized that you know
00:58:17
when I feel the most at peace when I
00:58:19
feel the most close to God is when you
00:58:21
know I'm in his word and I'm and I'm
00:58:23
learning from him and I'm reading his
00:58:25
word and then you know human so I go you
00:58:28
know I I go oh yeah tomorrow morning
00:58:29
I'll wake up and I'll I'll start my day
00:58:31
with with the Bible and I don't and and
00:58:33
then a few days go by and I'm further
00:58:34
and further and further and further away
00:58:36
and and I find myself then I I get
00:58:38
further and further away from that
00:58:39
feeling and then all of a sudden you
00:58:41
know I'll read something or I'll spend
00:58:43
some time with him and I'll learn
00:58:45
something that'll give me that flicker
00:58:46
again and then it's like all of a sudden
00:58:48
I feel that peace and that love again
00:58:50
and it's like all you want to do is is
00:58:52
share with people and like love on other
00:58:54
people right so i' I've noticed that
00:58:56
difference and then I think that through
00:58:57
that it's made me understand how
00:58:59
important it is to have that practice
00:59:01
and to make sure that I'm always you
00:59:03
know brushing up and and learning and
00:59:05
and spending that time you know and I
00:59:07
think the parallel is we for appreciate
00:59:10
the importance of physical exercise
00:59:12
that's a discipline and that discipline
00:59:14
leads to us being fairly trim fairly in
00:59:17
shape speak for
00:59:20
yourself well spiritual dis disciplines
00:59:22
are very similar I love the way you
00:59:24
point it out reading the Bible every day
00:59:26
that's crucial that's a spiritual
00:59:28
discipline reading the Bible every day
00:59:29
is not the way to go to heaven that's
00:59:31
just another rule no but the reason we
00:59:33
read the Bible every day is to hear from
00:59:35
God God that's that's what I want I want
00:59:37
to know you better I want to hear from
00:59:39
you because there are a lot of difficult
00:59:41
issues in life and I can't figure them
00:59:42
all out give me wisdom so I'm going to
00:59:45
position myself to open up my heart to
00:59:48
read your word so that then you can
00:59:49
speak to me more clearly right yeah do
00:59:52
you love your son this guy yeah sure do
00:59:56
it's just neurochemicals firing though
00:59:58
it's not real love you know what if he
00:59:59
just looked at me he's
01:00:01
like he's all right yeah I love the
01:00:03
living daylight out of this guy and my
01:00:05
two other Sons I love them to pieces and
01:00:07
you talk to them a lot yes because you
01:00:09
love them
01:00:10
yes people say they don't want to read
01:00:12
the Bible I I I say truly I know this
01:00:16
might sound judgmental I you don't love
01:00:18
God cuz it's impossible bro if God
01:00:21
forbid my dad ever passed away and I
01:00:24
pray that it's far far far from now and
01:00:26
I pray for his protection and his health
01:00:28
same with my mother my God if he left me
01:00:32
notes I don't care if I read it 100
01:00:34
times yeah I would read it over and over
01:00:36
again very well put because I want to
01:00:38
hear his voice and I miss him mhm so
01:00:41
when people are like Oh I'm a Christian
01:00:42
and I
01:00:44
just all right bro a lot of people call
01:00:46
themselves a lot of things yep uh sorry
01:00:49
that man anytime I think about my dad
01:00:52
going uh that's beautiful the one thing
01:00:55
um speaking of crime I'll just I'm just
01:00:57
going to put it out there there was one
01:00:59
time I called you sobbing I don't know
01:01:00
if you remember this I do I do remember
01:01:02
that and I was shaking and I was so
01:01:04
scared because when I started this
01:01:07
podcast I did it like on a short very
01:01:10
short notice like the day that I shot my
01:01:13
first episode me and Reed were like we
01:01:14
got to do this now we got to go grab
01:01:16
cameras and I didn't really see the
01:01:17
future in it I didn't know where it was
01:01:19
going and then in in in public people
01:01:22
would come up to me and just be like oh
01:01:24
I love your videos they're really funny
01:01:26
um and now people are coming up to me in
01:01:29
in a very very different way a very very
01:01:32
different way and I feel like I'm not
01:01:34
worth it they'll come up to me and
01:01:36
they'll be like they'll say very
01:01:38
meaningful things and when they're
01:01:39
saying that I was the one that pushed
01:01:41
them there all I kept hearing was like
01:01:43
I'm a fraud bro like you guys are seeing
01:01:45
me something I'm so different because
01:01:47
I'm doing things that are so far from
01:01:48
God and and I called Cliff one day and I
01:01:51
was just sobbing on the phone I go bro
01:01:53
I'm a fraud I'm ashamed of myself like I
01:01:55
keep trying to push people in the right
01:01:57
directions that I'm trying to go towards
01:01:58
but I'm failing myself at it and they're
01:02:00
looking at me like I'm killing it and
01:02:02
and then I start realizing that my God
01:02:04
am I am I even going to go to heaven am
01:02:06
I even forgiven because I I I know that
01:02:08
I shouldn't be doing some of these
01:02:10
things and yet I I get so exhausted
01:02:12
trying not to do them I'll fall and I'll
01:02:14
I'll pick myself back up and and I just
01:02:17
I sometimes want to literally take my
01:02:19
flesh and rip it from me because I just
01:02:21
feel like this is the only thing that's
01:02:22
holding me back is like why are these
01:02:24
desires here and and and and I have
01:02:27
these desires I can't fight these
01:02:28
desires what do I do with these desires
01:02:30
and and I I it's just this version of me
01:02:33
that I want to be but then there's this
01:02:35
real version of me that I'm very scared
01:02:37
of putting in front of God and so like
01:02:42
it gets overwhelming and now I
01:02:44
understand why people don't even want to
01:02:45
talk to God because it's it's in a
01:02:47
mountain that it's like impossible to
01:02:48
climb and and even if I do climb and
01:02:50
it's like I really want to be climbing
01:02:52
that mountain right now and I really
01:02:53
don't even want to be here right now and
01:02:55
I'm lying to you if I say that I want to
01:02:56
be here and and I'm just forgive me cuz
01:02:59
I am trying to stop swearing but I'm
01:03:01
full of and I'm and and I am a
01:03:05
garbage human being and I am nowhere
01:03:07
near what these people that are on the
01:03:08
street are are shaking my hand and and
01:03:11
be oh yeah I'm not that guy I'm going
01:03:14
want to be I want to be that
01:03:16
guy and you told me a verse that like
01:03:20
Clifford saved my life like I can't even
01:03:22
tell you all many
01:03:24
times
01:03:26
I can't even tell you how many times
01:03:27
like I wouldn't even want to open up my
01:03:30
Bible cuz I feel
01:03:33
like I feel like I'm
01:03:36
uh like I'm the Pharisee like I'm the
01:03:39
guy that one God sees he's like yo you
01:03:41
love me with your lips but you're so far
01:03:43
away from me with your heart and then
01:03:45
you read me a letter that Paul wrote
01:03:46
that he was talking to God and how he
01:03:48
says that he can't wait for death so he
01:03:50
could separate himself from
01:03:54
flesh how can I explain to
01:03:58
somebody that you're never going to be
01:04:00
perfect you're always going to fail God
01:04:04
but yet you're still going to be good
01:04:06
enough to go to heaven that I understand
01:04:09
I understand the term of good news now
01:04:11
because like good news you're a piece of
01:04:14
garbage yet you're still able to come
01:04:17
here
01:04:20
MH how do I teach a man to believe that
01:04:22
when I can't even believe it myself you
01:04:24
bet good question George I'd like you to
01:04:27
read Romans chapter 7 where the Apostle
01:04:30
Paul says the good that I want to do I
01:04:33
don't do the evil that I don't want to
01:04:35
do I do Wretched Man that I am who will
01:04:39
deliver me from this body of death
01:04:42
thanks be to God through Jesus Christ
01:04:45
Where's the Line where's the line you
01:04:48
see so many people that are there's a
01:04:50
there's a certain person that goes well
01:04:52
God made me this way and I'm still going
01:04:54
to love God and then you have guy that
01:04:56
goes like me like oh I know I shouldn't
01:04:57
be doing that oh and I don't do it but
01:04:59
when no one's looking I do it sometimes
01:05:01
okay so we we've been given the
01:05:03
spiritual discipline first of all you
01:05:04
repent repentance is not whitewashing
01:05:07
and saying oh I didn't do anything wrong
01:05:09
repentance is not blaming H it's their
01:05:11
fault repentance is not self-pity oh
01:05:14
gosh I'm just a loser I'm no good and
01:05:17
just drowning myself in self-pity and
01:05:18
repentance is not self- flatulation beat
01:05:20
up on Cliff cuz he's such a loser
01:05:23
repentance is God has made me in his
01:05:25
image I've made some irresponsible
01:05:28
decisions Lord Jesus please forgive me
01:05:31
now I've got to accept that
01:05:33
forgiveness which
01:05:36
means I am not going to
01:05:39
follow an idol that says perfect Cliff
01:05:42
perfect Cliff you've got to be perfect
01:05:44
in order to make it to Heaven if that's
01:05:46
true I'm not going to heaven because I'm
01:05:47
not perfect all right I have to accept
01:05:50
Christ's forgiveness and if I don't
01:05:52
accept Christ's forgiveness what I'm
01:05:53
doing is I'm worshiping an idol whose
01:05:56
approval means more to me than God's
01:05:58
approval George God approves of you Bill
01:06:01
God approves of you when you ask him for
01:06:03
forgiveness you are forgiven and that is
01:06:06
what makes the cross so significant
01:06:08
because that's where Christ paid the
01:06:10
penalty for the garbage in my life in
01:06:12
your life in his life and offers us a
01:06:15
gift that we do not deserve I am not
01:06:19
good enough to go to heaven I am not
01:06:22
good enough to go to heaven cuz I'm like
01:06:24
you I'm a wretch inside I got some
01:06:27
really warped motives Ambitions and I'm
01:06:30
real glad there's no picture of my
01:06:32
fantasy life up on right the screen
01:06:34
right now I'd be horribly embarrassed
01:06:36
okay so I'm not good enough but Christ
01:06:39
is good enough I need him and I trust in
01:06:43
him and when someone comes off with well
01:06:45
that's really simplistic and trait oh no
01:06:47
no no no when I realize that someone
01:06:49
died for me Everything Changes in here
01:06:53
now I still have bad habits but no no no
01:06:56
no my desire as your desire is is to
01:06:59
obey him to honor him he died for you
01:07:02
man what more could someone do for you
01:07:04
and when you trust in him then you begin
01:07:07
to want to obey him as Lord but that's a
01:07:09
lifelong
01:07:10
process and if I die in road rage I'm
01:07:13
not going to hell because I died
01:07:15
committing a sin and getting road rage
01:07:17
no CU my going to heaven is not because
01:07:19
I'm good enough my going to heaven is
01:07:21
because Christ is good enough he did it
01:07:23
on the cross for me my faith is in in
01:07:25
him and if I die losing it on the road
01:07:28
with road rage that's wrong but I am
01:07:31
still going to heaven because of what
01:07:33
Christ did for me and my faith is in him
01:07:35
does that make sense
01:07:37
yeah yes but and not to like ask more
01:07:41
questions but I just I really want to
01:07:42
like really understand fully we have a
01:07:45
man like you that yeah you're touring
01:07:48
this world teaching and preaching and I
01:07:51
find it so fascinating you just started
01:07:52
glowing in front of me
01:07:54
like start you just got so bright no so
01:07:57
many times if the sun wasn't there you
01:07:59
would give an answer and the sun came so
01:08:01
many times not that we're looking for
01:08:02
[Laughter]
01:08:04
signs but um okay so there's a gentleman
01:08:08
like you you know like and you you're
01:08:10
preaching and you're chasing God when
01:08:13
the doors are closed and the doors are
01:08:15
open and then you have a man like me
01:08:18
that's out of podcast speaking about
01:08:20
Christ
01:08:22
and old enough to know better young
01:08:25
enough to be stupid and like I fail a
01:08:28
lot and then we have another man who
01:08:32
doesn't even talk about God doesn't
01:08:34
preach about God but let's just say this
01:08:36
man loves God just as much as we do but
01:08:39
he gets drunk every night because he is
01:08:42
sorry I have conversations with people
01:08:43
and I just remember
01:08:45
them and maybe his parents did something
01:08:48
to him or whatever but he runs away he
01:08:51
escapes through alcohol or weed or drugs
01:08:55
or yep any type of these type of
01:08:57
situations and his Beginnings were a lot
01:09:00
different he loves God with all his
01:09:01
heart but he doesn't read his Bible he
01:09:03
doesn't go out and preach he gets messed
01:09:06
up every day but he feels bad about it
01:09:08
he's not happy about it yep how does
01:09:11
that man get to heaven because shouldn't
01:09:14
we look at him be like bro you shouldn't
01:09:15
be there if you love God if you loved
01:09:17
God you'd be able to get out of that
01:09:18
situation by using his word by using
01:09:21
this the discipline and like when I
01:09:23
would read comments of people like why
01:09:24
is he swearing and then I cut swearing
01:09:26
and then I realized like I just did an
01:09:27
episode with John Bellion and I dropped
01:09:29
the f bomb like so many times I'm
01:09:30
looking back at it I'm like bro what's
01:09:31
wrong with you like there's so many
01:09:33
things that I I want to control but I
01:09:35
can't control because of habits but then
01:09:36
I look at it like okay that's just
01:09:37
swearing but what about the man who's
01:09:39
addicted to drugs and he's destroying
01:09:40
his Temple and like where is the fine
01:09:43
line between you're going to heaven and
01:09:45
you're not going to heaven where is it
01:09:47
where where is the line that I could
01:09:48
help somebody that's the whole Romans 7
01:09:50
piece where if it's the top Rabbi this
01:09:52
world has ever seen Paul and he is he
01:09:56
was the head of the church with Peter if
01:09:59
he says the things I want to do I don't
01:10:02
and the things I don't want to do I do
01:10:05
that's got to give us some kind of pass
01:10:07
right he's the Dr Jackal and Mr Hyde one
01:10:10
passage George that you may really like
01:10:12
I was teaching it to a group of men
01:10:14
right out here and it was Matthew 7 and
01:10:18
at one point says unless your
01:10:20
righteousness outdoes that of the
01:10:22
Pharisees you will not go to heaven two
01:10:25
guys literally stood up and walked out
01:10:27
the door yeah could you repeat that yeah
01:10:30
if your righteousness unless your
01:10:32
righteousness outdoes that of the
01:10:35
Pharisees you will not be saved and
01:10:38
could you break that down for somebody
01:10:39
who has no idea what that means exactly
01:10:41
so the Pharisees were known to tithe a
01:10:43
lot of money yeah the Pharisees were
01:10:45
known to keep the letter of the law
01:10:48
better than anybody else so they were
01:10:50
known to be the purest form of people so
01:10:53
you would say up no no porn no alcohol
01:10:57
they're going to heaven of course yeah
01:10:59
but then on the inside of the cup Jesus
01:11:01
says they completely your father's the
01:11:03
devil he says that one time I said that
01:11:05
to my brother and I don't know why my
01:11:07
dad was kind of offended by that all
01:11:10
right that was a weak weak joke right
01:11:12
there that was a dad joke all
01:11:14
right I was
01:11:18
like heard what you said I just was like
01:11:20
what did your bro do thought what did
01:11:23
your bro do bro so anyway anyway these
01:11:25
guys stand up literally walk out I'm
01:11:28
like guys that that's a little much C
01:11:30
can we just like finish this meeting
01:11:31
together and they said no that's absurd
01:11:34
our righteousness is not going to outdo
01:11:35
that of the Pharisees the Pharisees were
01:11:37
known they didn't even know their Bibles
01:11:38
but they knew their the Pharisees that
01:11:40
they were the top dogs ethically and I
01:11:42
kind of chased him and I said hold on
01:11:44
here you got to read the next verses
01:11:46
because that's always what people make
01:11:47
the mistake of they see one vers like
01:11:49
never read a Bible verse that's one of
01:11:51
my favorite sayings never read a Bible
01:11:53
verse cuz you have to read multiple
01:11:56
context or you're going to get screwed
01:11:58
up any idea how dangerous that is people
01:12:01
would be like I could do all things that
01:12:03
CHR through strengthens me so I'm going
01:12:04
to just go and kill it in the Bitcoin
01:12:07
industry I'm like what are you talking
01:12:08
about BR that has nothing to do with
01:12:10
what he's talking about so it's very
01:12:12
very dangerous to like read one thing
01:12:14
and then just run with it which by the
01:12:15
way we want to do that right we want
01:12:17
that fortune cook you like oh we're good
01:12:18
here okay so please continue like what
01:12:21
are you what were you going to sure sure
01:12:23
so so the verses later couple verses
01:12:25
down it says but thanks be to God
01:12:29
because he saves us and so Jesus Christ
01:12:33
is the one who saves us if you just go a
01:12:35
few verses down and they didn't let me
01:12:38
get there they just said up screw you
01:12:41
buddy yeah this is ridiculous I'm not
01:12:43
going to be able to be good enough and
01:12:44
it sounds kind of like your last guest I
01:12:47
haven't seen the full podcast yet but
01:12:49
from what you've said and some that I
01:12:51
know about him Jordan Peterson Jordan
01:12:52
Peterson yeah sorry about that guys
01:12:54
sorry about that lot of people are upset
01:12:56
me so when I hear I've only heard him
01:12:59
say it once that's not true I've heard
01:13:01
him say it many times but I I don't
01:13:03
follow a lot of his stuff I just don't I
01:13:05
I don't get it but I'm also going to see
01:13:07
him live and not too far oh with the
01:13:09
wrestle with the God Tour yes exactly
01:13:11
and one of our buddies quasa buddies is
01:13:13
actually on that panel that he's had but
01:13:15
it's interesting that he has him on
01:13:17
because he understands Grace that guy um
01:13:21
and his name is Oz Guinness Guinness
01:13:23
actually the beer came from him and his
01:13:25
family oddly enough but the whole piece
01:13:27
is when Peterson says something like
01:13:29
it's terrifying to be a Christian cuz I
01:13:30
would have to live a perfect life in
01:13:32
order to get to heaven and I can't do
01:13:33
that consistently and he'll start crying
01:13:35
but he'll be crying for the wrong
01:13:36
reasons it's like bro you don't have to
01:13:38
live a perfect life and he stops there
01:13:42
and I'll say look at the evidence of the
01:13:44
Resurrection because you only become a
01:13:45
Christian through the evidence of the
01:13:46
Resurrection because that's the Lynch
01:13:47
pin and he says no I can't go there and
01:13:49
I've been told by somebody who's in the
01:13:51
industry that he doesn't go there I feel
01:13:53
bad saying this but because if if he
01:13:55
truly goes one way then he's going to
01:13:58
lose some of his audience but
01:14:00
irregardless back Jord Jordan Peterson
01:14:03
yeah I was
01:14:04
told the one having a conversation with
01:14:07
him I truly don't think he cares about
01:14:08
what anybody says like and I had a
01:14:10
conversation with him 50% of the time I
01:14:12
felt like he didn't even want to have a
01:14:13
conversation with me so like I don't
01:14:15
think he cares I think he's just super
01:14:17
passionate and very um uh he's so smart
01:14:20
it could be a problem type of thing you
01:14:22
know what I mean like he overthinks it
01:14:23
and but he's a genius and by the way God
01:14:26
might be using him for a certain thing
01:14:28
right he might be the of Our Generation
01:14:30
tons of people coming to Christ through
01:14:31
him so one last passage so that that
01:14:33
Matthew 7 passage where clearly you just
01:14:35
come down some and it's through Jesus
01:14:38
Christ well the whole Protestant
01:14:39
Reformation was based out of Grace and
01:14:42
some of our Catholic friends struggle
01:14:44
with that others love it but it's out of
01:14:47
Romans 1:18 where you have Martin Luther
01:14:50
and the thesis that he posted on the
01:14:52
door he came to know Christ through
01:14:54
understanding it's not by my own
01:14:56
righteousness but by Christ that I'm
01:14:59
saved Romans 1:18 says and so all of a
01:15:01
sudden he's just talk about tears talk
01:15:04
about a total breakdown where he all of
01:15:06
a sudden understands the cross and by
01:15:08
doing so he says I'm going to risk my
01:15:10
life I might be killed for this because
01:15:14
every powerful religious industry is
01:15:16
saying no it's by your own works and
01:15:18
it's by the pope for example but he's
01:15:20
going to risk it all because he
01:15:21
understands Grace and he's not saved
01:15:23
through Works what about the verse where
01:15:25
it says Works without what is it works
01:15:27
without without works face without works
01:15:29
is dead mhm what does that
01:15:32
mean it's direct so you need to work
01:15:35
well the Book of James has been
01:15:38
misunderstood by a lot of people many
01:15:40
people say see James is saying you go to
01:15:42
Heaven by your works it's not what he's
01:15:44
saying James is saying here's sincere
01:15:47
Faith which is shown by works versus
01:15:50
insincere Faith which has no Works to
01:15:52
back it up it's that simple so James is
01:15:55
not saying you go to Heaven by your
01:15:56
Works no he understands Faith but it
01:15:59
better be a faith that works because you
01:16:02
have so much faith and love that you
01:16:04
want to work and you want to show your
01:16:06
love and the way John puts it in first
01:16:08
John is if I say I love God and hate you
01:16:11
I'm a liar right if I say I love God and
01:16:14
I hate you I'm a liar that's a
01:16:17
contradiction now might I lose my temper
01:16:19
with you might I say I hate you yes but
01:16:21
I better apologize and say gosh I'm
01:16:24
sorry please forgive me me are you
01:16:26
speaking of is it John 4:20 where he
01:16:28
says you cannot hate your brother and
01:16:31
say you love God very good first John
01:16:33
420 that's the gospel John there we go
01:16:34
that was
01:16:35
good that's exactly George when you sent
01:16:39
that picture of you on your knee asking
01:16:41
Bill to be your wife I danced to jig
01:16:43
inside why not because you and I have
01:16:46
spent hours and days and months together
01:16:49
you're my brother in Christ you're my
01:16:50
sister in Christ and to see you do that
01:16:52
with her was so moving for me personally
01:16:55
I just was dancing a jig inside well you
01:16:57
guys are both invited to so much my
01:16:59
mother would never let you guys marry us
01:17:00
but that's quite all right you guys are
01:17:03
not ready yet no off it would be an
01:17:06
honor for to have you guys there and
01:17:08
actually since we're speaking of wedding
01:17:09
and you guys officiate weddings can you
01:17:11
tell us about that like is it something
01:17:13
that you love to do is it like tell us
01:17:15
about that experience because you're
01:17:16
sharing one of people's most you know
01:17:19
well actually to piggy back off of that
01:17:21
the the the this is like that was such a
01:17:23
beautiful way of doing mind like a
01:17:25
little darker um that's that's us though
01:17:28
uh how do you feel about babies being
01:17:31
baptized which you kind of said in the
01:17:32
beginning you feel like you should wait
01:17:34
until and then now how do you feel when
01:17:35
you're doing it knowing that they should
01:17:37
wait fortunately I'm not doing it
01:17:38
tomorrow I'm dedicating what does that
01:17:40
mean dedicating basically just means
01:17:42
speaking scripture over the child and
01:17:45
then speaking to the parents and any
01:17:47
other children they have that they are
01:17:50
going to support this child and grow
01:17:51
them up in the faith and then I turn to
01:17:53
the congregation and say are you going
01:17:56
to do the same so it's all about
01:17:58
dedication and back to a covenant to
01:18:00
really help this so it's not a baptism
01:18:02
not a I wouldn't do a baptism you do you
01:18:04
guys don't baptize B we don't baptize no
01:18:06
you said you're going to sprinkle a baby
01:18:08
and long from now well people coming out
01:18:10
of your background when when I explained
01:18:12
to them we're not going to baptize we're
01:18:14
we're going to dedicate just last Sunday
01:18:15
a gentleman said to me well could there
01:18:17
be some water involved that's just
01:18:20
because of the strong tradition and I
01:18:21
say well sure I can sprinkle a little
01:18:23
water on your baby's forehead but you've
01:18:26
got to understand this is not a baptism
01:18:28
this is a dedication of you to raise
01:18:30
this child so that this child sees and
01:18:31
hears about Jesus from you it's a
01:18:33
dedication of us as a Community of Faith
01:18:35
to support you in this and yes we're
01:18:37
going to pray over the child that's what
01:18:39
it is I like that yeah I think that's
01:18:41
beautiful that very
01:18:43
beautiful well I don't to think it from
01:18:45
there the things we see to your question
01:18:48
like the things we see when we're doing
01:18:49
premarital counseling I was counseling
01:18:51
this couple where they were talking
01:18:53
about how the man kept checking out
01:18:55
other women and he was an atheist so we
01:18:58
debated even within premarital
01:18:59
counseling which I loved but literally
01:19:02
she would say that he would crane his
01:19:04
neck oh that's disrespectful totally and
01:19:06
he was trying to rationalize it and say
01:19:08
no you know you're able to I give you
01:19:11
time with the dog I'm the one who goes
01:19:13
and works so I should beow to check
01:19:15
weird that's how you know you have no
01:19:17
excuses babe you have a dog exactly did
01:19:20
I not get you a puppy right uh well
01:19:23
actually I talked about this with Bella
01:19:24
to be vulnerable I told her this I go
01:19:25
listen if I look at a girl that's pretty
01:19:27
it's it's a little secret I want to tell
01:19:28
you when we started dating I'm not gay
01:19:31
so like if like a beautiful girl walks
01:19:33
by I'm going to be like wow that girl's
01:19:35
beautiful okay and if a beautiful man
01:19:37
walks by I'm going to be like wow that
01:19:38
guy's a very handsome man okay there's a
01:19:40
difference for me being like babe that
01:19:42
look at that girl she's very beautiful I
01:19:43
bet she's a model versus like o shorty
01:19:48
there's such a difference like some guys
01:19:49
you know the the way that I see them
01:19:52
just St their necks and stare and I'm
01:19:53
like w wow wow wow wow wow like I would
01:19:56
feel so disrespected If I Was Your
01:19:57
Girlfriend yeah but there's a way of
01:19:59
course of appreciating beauty or if you
01:20:01
see somebody walk in and they're
01:20:02
beautiful of course you're going to be like oh wow like they're beautiful God
01:20:04
made them and and they're beautiful
01:20:05
you're going to notice that right babe
01:20:07
there's a secret why you're gorgeous
01:20:09
okay you know what I mean cuz my eyes
01:20:10
were doing its job I looked at you and I
01:20:12
was like whoa and then that's how we got
01:20:14
to know each other and got to meet okay
01:20:16
if I'm with my guy friends and he's
01:20:17
single and I see a hot girl walk by I'm
01:20:19
going to be like yo go talk to her I'm
01:20:21
not going to be like what D hold up only
01:20:24
got one chick dog I can't look cuz then
01:20:26
one I'm lying to myself and I told B I
01:20:29
go B there's so many beautiful women out
01:20:30
in the world that I'm going to lay my
01:20:32
eyes on but isn't it more honorable that
01:20:33
I could see that there's more beautiful
01:20:35
women out there and I want nothing to do
01:20:36
with them I think that's more honorable
01:20:38
cuz it's real if I'm not going to lie to
01:20:40
my God I ain't lying to you bro and if
01:20:41
you can't handle the fact that I am
01:20:43
going to look if there's a beautiful
01:20:44
girl there's a difference there's
01:20:45
looking with lust and there's looking
01:20:47
with like oh wow like like for example
01:20:49
when I look at Reed never once so I go
01:20:50
wow look at that sexy actually that's a
01:20:52
lie he's a very handsome guy we did
01:20:54
merch pick once and he looks like a Zara
01:20:57
model I'm actually going to put that
01:20:58
picture up and he literally just came in
01:21:00
for 2 seconds he just like
01:21:02
got I take that back read I'm so sorry
01:21:04
you are a model um but yeah and also I
01:21:08
wouldn't get mad if Belle is like if I'm
01:21:10
walk if I'm walking into a store and
01:21:12
Belle was shopping and I didn't she
01:21:13
doesn't know I'm around and I see her
01:21:15
just glancing at a man that's like tall
01:21:17
and handsome I'm not going to be like
01:21:18
this chick I no I'm going to be like
01:21:20
that makes sense dude's ripped he's
01:21:21
shredded he's a good-look dude now
01:21:23
there's a difference if she's like oh oh
01:21:25
and she's trying to find a reason to
01:21:27
talk to him like oh are you are you
01:21:28
going to look that and she's starting
01:21:29
small talk and then you could tell
01:21:31
there's meaning behind that you're
01:21:33
looking for attention that to me is
01:21:34
different everything has to be with
01:21:36
intent but so how did you handle that
01:21:39
situation with that couple what did you
01:21:40
tell them how did you counsel them I
01:21:43
just counseled him just saying that hey
01:21:45
look if you're not dedicating your eyes
01:21:48
to her and like George is saying looking
01:21:51
at other women but bouncing your eyes I
01:21:53
think that bouncing your eyes is so
01:21:55
crucial rather than craning your neck
01:21:57
yeah in understanding hey she has
01:22:00
insecurity when you do that I don't care
01:22:03
how confident the woman is if her
01:22:05
husband or boyfriend is always checking
01:22:07
other chicks out that's going to cause
01:22:09
insecurity in her life and so trying to
01:22:11
communicate that to him he started to
01:22:14
get it but it was so stinking habitual
01:22:19
that he couldn't break out of it it was
01:22:20
literally addiction so they it led to
01:22:22
his fault it's his surroundings right so
01:22:23
the father he always pushes them hey go
01:22:25
have some fun go blah blah blah blah
01:22:27
it's like they it's they start these
01:22:28
kids on crack and then they expect them
01:22:30
to as soon as you find somebody cut the
01:22:32
drugs out so yes he loves his wife and
01:22:34
yes I love B but you can't run away from
01:22:36
your issues the only problem between me
01:22:37
and him is he wasn't looking to fix the
01:22:40
solution he was living in a sin and
01:22:42
saying oh no this is not a problem I
01:22:44
knew it's wrong I'm not going to I
01:22:45
wouldn't want my girl consistently
01:22:47
trying to look for a hot guy that's
01:22:48
disrespectful but if a guy comes around
01:22:50
in her workplace and she's a
01:22:51
good-looking guy and her friend's like
01:22:53
wow look at that guy he's a tall
01:22:54
good-looking guy I would have no problem
01:22:56
with it like oh yeah he's very beautiful
01:22:58
are you trying to go talk to him let's
01:22:59
go talk to him like I don't find that a
01:23:01
problem because there's intent behind
01:23:02
that I trust her I love her and if she
01:23:05
is going to go and mess around then let
01:23:06
God show me and reveal that to me I told
01:23:09
her many times I go I'll be very honest
01:23:10
and if I ever ever disrespected you I
01:23:13
pray that God removes me from you if I'm
01:23:15
not a man that's good enough to be in
01:23:17
your eyes and God's eyes remove me vice
01:23:19
versa I don't sit around waiting oh my
01:23:22
God she's on set with some guys like oh
01:23:24
I hope they're not or she's on a model
01:23:26
or she's on a trip or I'm on a trip all
01:23:28
that is so much energy dude you can't
01:23:30
get get back to work you need to go back
01:23:32
to work and if you're worried about what
01:23:33
your significant others doing all the
01:23:35
time it's going to take away from your
01:23:36
life and I don't play that game I trust
01:23:39
this woman you could put all the mo you
01:23:41
could put a bunch of Enrique glacius in
01:23:43
front of her shirtless oiled dancing to
01:23:46
some Spanish music with their hips and I
01:23:48
would know that she'd be like wow look
01:23:50
at these talented dancers they're very
01:23:51
good-looking men and she'd keep it
01:23:53
moving and ra that's big good that's
01:23:57
huge yeah but it's nice when your
01:23:59
partner shares that with you cuz then
01:24:00
you feel secure and and there's no
01:24:03
awkwardness or guilt or you know what I
01:24:05
mean and I know he's secure in himself
01:24:06
and I know I'm secure in myself and so
01:24:08
we can have you know a strong bond yeah
01:24:10
yeah that's true like think about that
01:24:12
like I never even thought about it from
01:24:13
that point of view but if I think if
01:24:16
there's two versions of me right if
01:24:17
there's you look at a guy like Y what
01:24:19
are you looking at and then the rest of
01:24:20
the day I'm like yeah oh she was looking
01:24:21
at that guy and then I start a fight
01:24:22
over it I'm all this stuff but then
01:24:23
there's this version of me where I go
01:24:26
dang that guy's good looking bro he's
01:24:27
good looking huh and we laugh about it
01:24:29
and we go shopping together and then the
01:24:31
rest of the day we have an amazing day
01:24:32
together because we know we're a
01:24:33
partnership there's two different men I
01:24:35
just feel like people search for
01:24:36
problems there no reason for it yeah the
01:24:38
jealous boyfriend type is so insecure
01:24:41
and has created an idol out of the
01:24:44
significant other and until that Idol
01:24:46
turns into God filling my god-shaped
01:24:49
hole that jealousy is going to be there
01:24:52
no matter what and it's one of the those
01:24:53
cringy things to see right and you're
01:24:55
never going to have a healthy
01:24:56
relationship if that happens I would
01:24:57
love to know from from each one of you
01:25:00
um what is a chapter in the Bible that
01:25:02
you find yourself going back to
01:25:04
often
01:25:07
nice all right um the Lord's prayer Our
01:25:11
Father who is in heaven Hallowed be thy
01:25:12
name thy kingdom come thy will be done
01:25:14
on Earth as it is in heaven that's a
01:25:16
very challenging
01:25:18
prayer uh thy kingdom your kingdom come
01:25:22
your will be done on Earth in my life
01:25:24
life as it is in heaven in other words
01:25:26
I'm convinced that real Faith the
01:25:28
biggest challenge for many of us is the
01:25:30
will submitting my will your kingdom
01:25:33
your will be done not mine and so I have
01:25:36
to pray that regularly that's right out
01:25:37
of Matthew chapter 6 The Lord's Prayer
01:25:40
then I go to uh Hebrew uh numbers chap
01:25:43
6: 24- 26 the Lord bless you and keep
01:25:48
you the Lord make his face shine upon
01:25:50
you and be gracious to you the Lord turn
01:25:53
his face toward you in other words give
01:25:56
his attention to you and give you peace
01:25:59
and I long for that peace and then I
01:26:01
love Psalm 23 The Lord is my shepherd I
01:26:03
shall not want he makes me lie down in
01:26:05
Green Pastures he leads me beside Quiet
01:26:07
Waters he restores my soul I need to be
01:26:11
restored and then I saying that just
01:26:12
brought me so much peace I love the
01:26:15
Beatitudes which start The Sermon on the
01:26:17
Mount blessed are the poor in spirit for
01:26:19
theirs is the kingdom of heaven so if
01:26:21
anybody says to you a Christian is
01:26:23
someone who lives according The Sermon
01:26:24
on the Mount the first beatitude says
01:26:26
you can't live up to this standard
01:26:29
you've got to be poor in spirit which
01:26:30
means to acknowledge my poverty of
01:26:32
spirit that I need God's grace I need
01:26:34
Christ amen so those are some of the
01:26:37
passages I love 1 Corinthians 13 4
01:26:40
through eight love is patient love is
01:26:42
kind it does not envy it does not boast
01:26:44
it is not proud it is not rude it is not
01:26:46
self-seeking and First Corinthians 15
01:26:49
the resurrection chapter is a great
01:26:51
chapter on the resurrection body on the
01:26:53
res resurrection of Christ cuz that's
01:26:55
the basis of Hope for the
01:26:58
future so those are some of the verses
01:27:00
that have meant a lot to me that's
01:27:02
beautiful and do you find do you find
01:27:03
yourself that you go back to those a lot
01:27:04
to find peace and comfort yes peace and
01:27:07
comfort also how am I going to handle
01:27:09
this situation you know recently I was
01:27:12
reading in The Sermon on the Mount Jesus
01:27:14
says you know you've heard that it was
01:27:15
said love your neighbor and hate your
01:27:17
enemy you've heard that it was said love
01:27:20
your neighbor and hate the Democrat
01:27:21
you've heard that it was said love your
01:27:23
neighbor and hate the Republic
01:27:25
but I say to you love your enemy and
01:27:28
pray for those who persecute you and
01:27:30
that's the most difficult thing for me
01:27:31
to do cuz I naturally hate my enemy I
01:27:34
don't love my enemy and yet to watch in
01:27:36
our culture how Democrats and
01:27:38
Republicans very nice people have
01:27:39
started hating each other whoa that is
01:27:43
tragic yeah really tragic we have such a
01:27:46
divide yes exactly to divide divide
01:27:50
divide and and be cool by ripping some
01:27:52
of the shreds that's not cool that's
01:27:54
degrading a human being Crea the image
01:27:56
of God it's I don't know how people
01:27:59
could handle that
01:28:02
because unless they just lie to
01:28:04
themselves and they bathe in lies but
01:28:06
like when you point somebody else's
01:28:07
flaws out so like willingly it's like to
01:28:10
me I get so uncomfortable even when
01:28:11
other people do it I get so
01:28:13
uncomfortable cuz I'm like whoa I don't
01:28:14
even want to be around the facility I
01:28:15
feel like they're doing witchcraft and
01:28:17
I'm like I don't want that Voodoo to
01:28:18
come over here like when you look at
01:28:20
somebody and you're judging I just go I
01:28:23
know I'm going to be standing in the
01:28:24
most vulnerable naked in front of my God
01:28:27
and like he's going to point out even
01:28:28
the sins that I forgotten about and I'm
01:28:30
over here like dude you need to chill
01:28:32
out with this this and that and it's
01:28:33
just like shut up shut up you know um
01:28:36
but I want to Circle back to the first
01:28:37
Bible verse he said where it was the the
01:28:39
the prayer Our Father um our father thou
01:28:42
be in heaven who is in heaven who is in
01:28:44
heaven um me and my mom I was having
01:28:46
like a little debate with my mom my mom
01:28:48
goes you know you got to she she says
01:28:51
that in
01:28:53
ayrian
01:28:55
so it's like it's it's a very it's from
01:28:57
the language that Christ spoke too but I
01:29:00
had a problem with it because I here's
01:29:02
the thing we just had a beautiful
01:29:03
conversation right we had a beautiful
01:29:05
conversation
01:29:07
before if I came here right now and I
01:29:09
said this same exact thing to you that I
01:29:12
did last time I don't feel like it's a
01:29:13
real conversation I feel like it's a a
01:29:16
chant somebody who's babbling good um I
01:29:20
think that the exact prayer was God
01:29:23
explaining to us all these are the
01:29:24
things you need to hit you should talk
01:29:26
about but it should be in your own words
01:29:28
it should be between you and God I see
01:29:30
my father is like my actual father
01:29:33
that's on Earth is like we have a Rel
01:29:35
he's seen me more than my actual father
01:29:36
on Earth so like I want to be like
01:29:38
instead of me being like uh give me
01:29:40
today my bread right like it's just I
01:29:42
want to talk to him about my finances
01:29:43
like hey I'm stressed out about this
01:29:45
give me the faith to know that what I
01:29:46
have here is good enough and I don't
01:29:48
need anymore I need to be in depth I
01:29:50
don't just ask God hey come into my work
01:29:52
because if I if God was right here he
01:29:54
would just look at me and be like okay
01:29:55
what part of your work so I want to be
01:29:57
elaborate I want to be very very
01:29:58
detailed sometimes when I'm praying I'll
01:30:00
like I'll pray for an hour sometimes I'm
01:30:02
praying it'll take me 30 seconds but
01:30:04
it's a real thing that I'm talking
01:30:06
between God what are your thoughts about
01:30:08
people that believe that they should
01:30:09
just say that specific prayer over their
01:30:12
meals over their bedtime when they wake
01:30:15
up they just kind of say the same thing
01:30:17
my mom she goes I say the prayer and
01:30:20
then I talk to him and I go good why
01:30:23
okay so you're saying good but in my
01:30:24
mind I'm like that's that's like weird
01:30:26
that's like if I came to you and and and
01:30:27
I know this sounds disrespectful but I'm
01:30:29
being I'm being serious if I had a
01:30:30
ritual I had to rub my elbows and my
01:30:33
ears I just feel like that'd be annoying
01:30:35
like the guy's like dude I have somebody
01:30:36
in Africa right now I'm talking to like
01:30:38
get to the point like what do you need
01:30:39
from me what are we talking about here
01:30:40
stop rubbing your elbows good okay it's
01:30:43
the issue of ritual ritual can be
01:30:45
mindless empty and meaningless yeah
01:30:48
because you get the practice it's just
01:30:50
done by rot you just do it right but
01:30:52
every night raising him up I would put
01:30:54
him to bed with a Bible story a prayer a
01:30:58
memory verse and we'd sing Turn Your
01:30:59
Eyes Upon Jesus that was a ritual we did
01:31:02
it every day ritual can be good when we
01:31:05
are reminding ourselves of the basic
01:31:08
fundamental truths about God in Christ
01:31:10
it ritual can also be important when you
01:31:12
pray before
01:31:14
meals as a way to grow your faith as a
01:31:18
way to remind yourself of what is
01:31:21
significant so ritual can be bad empty
01:31:24
meaningless mindless or it can be very
01:31:26
good in that you are teaching the Next
01:31:28
Generation and you're also growing your
01:31:30
own faith reminding yourself of the
01:31:32
fundamentals so you're saying I'm so
01:31:34
sorry so you're saying okay there's two
01:31:37
versions of this yeah Georgie jenko
01:31:40
who's over there by the way the
01:31:44
B I don't even know what I was saying I
01:31:46
don't even know if they like what's
01:31:48
what's bab M I don't know I just learned
01:31:50
to say this and this is my prayer I feel
01:31:53
like that's dangerous because when all
01:31:55
the other kids were around they were not
01:31:56
even having a connection with God that's
01:31:58
one whole thing the second one is I'm
01:32:01
just rushing through it so I can have my
01:32:02
meal because I'm T I have to say this
01:32:04
right before I say my meal but then
01:32:06
you're saying there's a difference from
01:32:08
Georgie versus my mom who's honoring God
01:32:11
and saying the words knowing what she's
01:32:13
saying behind them feeling that Christ
01:32:16
asked her to say this and then when
01:32:17
she's done with that she puts it aside
01:32:19
here and then she speaks to God with her
01:32:22
own words God seeing a faithful woman
01:32:25
that's trying her best to honor God
01:32:27
correct so I'm a dooo brain I owe my mom
01:32:29
an apology and I would say that that is
01:32:32
one of the strengths of the Catholic
01:32:33
church or the Assyrian Church Orthodox
01:32:36
right it's the ritual now you know that
01:32:39
when you go into one of those churches
01:32:41
it can be a Mindless meaningless dumb
01:32:43
ritual or as in the case of your mom it
01:32:47
can be incredibly profound so when I say
01:32:50
the Our Father Our Father who is in
01:32:52
heaven I'm thinking I'm beginning to
01:32:53
think think father Jesus is the only one
01:32:56
who taught us to talk to God as father
01:32:59
means he loves us he protects us who is
01:33:02
in heaven he's in another dimension he's
01:33:04
a lot bigger than I am Hallowed Be Your
01:33:06
Name a if I lose my awe of God I'm
01:33:10
sunk my fear of cancer heart failure
01:33:14
whatever had better not be bigger than
01:33:16
my fear my awe of God see it's I as I
01:33:20
grow in awe of God that my anxiety my
01:33:23
fears begin to settle down and when I
01:33:26
lose my awe of God my fears and anxiety
01:33:29
escalate Hallowed Be Your Name Your
01:33:31
Kingdom Come here's the whole issue of
01:33:32
will I've got to submit my will to
01:33:35
Christ otherwise you know what's
01:33:36
happening and I it hit me really hard if
01:33:39
I lose my allwe of God and my desire to
01:33:42
do his
01:33:43
will the god I believe in always says
01:33:46
good boy Cliff keep going do exactly
01:33:48
what you do God and I never have a
01:33:49
disagreement so you know who the God is
01:33:51
that I worship an idealized version of
01:33:54
myself of course God and I are going to
01:33:56
have disagreements he's God and I'm
01:33:58
Cliff and we both have wills and I
01:34:00
better learn to submit my will to him
01:34:03
because he's wiser than I am he really
01:34:05
loves me he's really good I am not and
01:34:09
therefore I better take my will and
01:34:11
surrender it to him so I begin to break
01:34:13
that Lord's Prayer down and begin to say
01:34:16
okay father Hollow be your name what
01:34:18
does that mean and then all of a sudden
01:34:20
it takes on new meaning for me do you
01:34:23
have the Bible on you or like do you
01:34:26
remember did you have you memorized the
01:34:28
the prayer yes because we are coming to
01:34:30
our our ending unfortunately I would
01:34:32
love to read the prayer line by line but
01:34:34
pause and explain what the meaning is
01:34:37
because there's many little georgies out
01:34:38
there that are just rambling trying to
01:34:40
please God when they really don't know
01:34:42
what they're saying and I oh I'm a
01:34:43
terrible reader you can't do that I I
01:34:45
bro if you break this down one it's more
01:34:47
powerful if you read it um if you break
01:34:50
this down you just keep asking like who
01:34:52
I trying to mess this one up all right
01:34:54
go but but focus on the acts you you
01:34:57
didn't mention the AC adoration
01:34:59
confession Thanksgiving supplication if
01:35:02
you remember that that's exactly how you
01:35:04
break down the Lord's Prayer and that's
01:35:07
how you pray because your audience who
01:35:10
you're trying to teach how to pray
01:35:11
prayer can be the hardest thing in the
01:35:12
world or the easiest thing in the world
01:35:13
I I think it's both at least for me and
01:35:15
I think if they catch our father okay
01:35:18
adoration and then if you go down um
01:35:21
give us today our daily bread it that's
01:35:23
that's supplication so it goes a
01:35:25
adoration confession
01:35:27
c t
01:35:29
Thanksgiving and C and S supplication so
01:35:32
acts and if you watch it like that that
01:35:34
makes prayer easy otherwise for me it
01:35:37
gets it gets so tricky you're one of
01:35:39
those dudes in the class where they're
01:35:40
like well you got to do is you got to
01:35:42
write it out of here like shut up bro
01:35:43
what are you talking about I don't what
01:35:45
three of those words you just said I had
01:35:47
no idea what they even mean dude you
01:35:48
know adoration adoration adoring God
01:35:51
Hollow be your name so that's hollowing
01:35:53
God it C is confessing confessing I
01:35:56
confess a lot T is thanking God know how
01:35:59
to thank and then s is a supplication
01:36:01
one supplements to me like protein I'm
01:36:04
being serious what is that asking God
01:36:06
ask like Suffocation okay I got you
01:36:08
that's always what the machismo male
01:36:09
says I don't do for myself in prayer why
01:36:12
and exactly like pray for yourself qu
01:36:16
pretend to be humble my sister she goes
01:36:18
the one thing I learned from George is
01:36:19
to take when somebody gives cuz my like
01:36:21
I'm very successful I'm a very
01:36:22
successful man I've made some good money
01:36:24
my dad's like here's some 20 bucks I
01:36:25
always take it and my mom's like are you
01:36:27
not a my my sister's like are you not
01:36:28
ashamed I go he offers I take it I'm not
01:36:30
going to listen I have no Pride you're
01:36:32
giving it I'm taking it man it' be rude
01:36:34
of me not to take
01:36:36
it all right and actually I love that
01:36:38
we're ending it with a prayer so thank
01:36:39
you so much Cliff you bet all right our
01:36:42
father not a scrooge not a cosmic ogre
01:36:46
Our Father who loves us protects us has
01:36:49
our best interests in mind that's how
01:36:51
good he is he knows what's best for
01:36:54
Us in heaven not a material being who
01:36:58
sits right here God not God in a box no
01:37:02
he's in heaven another dimension a lot
01:37:05
bigger really big Hallowed Be Your Name
01:37:08
all of God hollowood means all all
01:37:12
struck break down uh what is a like like
01:37:14
shocked or Blown Away by his glory Blown
01:37:17
Away by his glory got it profound
01:37:19
respect so you're asking to be in awe
01:37:22
you're expressing it it Hallowed Be Your
01:37:25
Name you're expressing you are awesome
01:37:27
got it your kingdom come your will be
01:37:29
done on Earth as it is in heaven that's
01:37:31
all issue of your will not my will your
01:37:33
will be done give us today our daily
01:37:36
bread what does that mean that means not
01:37:39
with that little boy prayed over dinner
01:37:42
God we earned the money for this we
01:37:45
deserve this so why are we thanking you
01:37:48
well who do you think causes the rain to
01:37:49
fall and the soil to sprout the crop
01:37:53
even even the truck driver thank you
01:37:54
that the truck driver brought that food
01:37:56
to my market and I just had to drive
01:37:58
down to Acme and buy the thing off the
01:38:00
shelf give us today our daily bread CU
01:38:04
we're trusting you now here comes real
01:38:06
heart forgive us our debts our sins our
01:38:09
trespasses as we have also forgiven our
01:38:11
debtors those who sinned against us read
01:38:14
Matthew 18 the parable of the unmerciful
01:38:16
servant a guy forgives a servant for a
01:38:18
million doll debt that servant throws a
01:38:20
guy into prison for a few bucks and what
01:38:23
we read is is that he was not patient
01:38:27
the way the king had been patient with
01:38:28
him and the King was outraged that he
01:38:30
threw a man into prison for a few
01:38:32
dollars debt after he had forgiven a
01:38:33
million dollars okay if I don't forgive
01:38:35
somebody it means I am totally blind to
01:38:38
how much God has forgiven me totally
01:38:40
blind spoiled and and and you are not
01:38:42
considerate of what you've given You'
01:38:44
gotten Perfect all right lead us not
01:38:47
into temptation three things about
01:38:49
Temptation how do you deal with it first
01:38:51
of all you don't believe the devil's lie
01:38:53
Adam and Eve believe the devil's lie
01:38:55
secondly you run away from it Joseph
01:38:57
Genesis 39 ran away from Piper's wife
01:38:59
who was trying to seduce him and thirdly
01:39:01
you use scripture the way Jesus did in
01:39:03
his temptation don't test the Lord your
01:39:06
God man does not live on bread alone but
01:39:07
on every word that comes from the mouth
01:39:08
of God Worship the Lord your God and
01:39:11
serve him only so lead us not into
01:39:13
temptation because it's seductive and I
01:39:15
can bite and I'm a guy who has bitten
01:39:18
far too many times when I've been
01:39:19
tempted but Deliver Us from the evil one
01:39:22
yes he is real he's the devil and he's
01:39:24
not a little dude in a red jumpsuit he's
01:39:26
a very swaave debonaire sophisticated
01:39:28
guy who will deceive watch out for him
01:39:31
help me Lord God not to buy his lies
01:39:34
amen thank you so much for breaking that
01:39:36
down and that was
01:39:39
like profound like at a whole different
01:39:41
level profound guys I can't thank you
01:39:43
enough dude like I really really can't I
01:39:45
pray we do so many more I really do and
01:39:52
um if I had to pray for just seriously
01:39:55
from my heart if we're talking about
01:39:57
prayer I pray that your guys's light
01:39:59
that I feel that God brings up and
01:40:00
shines over the world and I got to be
01:40:02
blessed to walk around this facility and
01:40:05
see where you guys have had in the past
01:40:07
and what you guys are trying to do in
01:40:08
the future I pray that when your
01:40:11
bloodline keeps multiplying that your
01:40:13
guys's fruit is so outstanding that when
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people taste your fruit they not only
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believe God but they are in awe of God
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thank so much you guys doing incredible
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work keep it up it's just growing and
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growing ex how the gospel has
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proliferated because you've gone there
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instead of the other direction which
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everybody would think the other
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direction right to grow is I mean that's
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how the holy spirit is using you as
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Phenom exciting to see it really is hey
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stop complimenting us it is not it is
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not that's true I love you guys thank
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you so much love you guys love you guys

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