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0:00
о чем этот выпуск
1:08
Лиля, подробности дела
5:23
Катерина про тот самый день
13:53
Снежана про опекунов и жизнь ДО
17:09
Валентина про свою историю
22:50
можно ли было поступить иначе?
24:10
за что хотела устранить мужа?
27:01
когда услышала приговор…
33:10
Лиля про родителей и детей
36:00
вышла замуж в тюрьме
39:54
кто из близких поддерживает ?
41:09
кто такая Яна Баранова?
41:50
психолог Яна Баранова о Валентине
43:00
Яна Баранова про Катю
44:19
Яна Баранова про Лилю
45:30
передаётся ли преступность по наследству?
46:19
тот вечер - единственный, когда приставал дядя?
47:04
любила ли дядю Снежана?
47:40
тетя жила с абьюзером?
48:20
адвокатка Снежаны
51:55
Яна Баранова о Снежане
53:15
дядя хотел срезать пирсинг
56:34
может ли ориентация стать причиной более жёсткого наказания
59:05
почему решила сделать каминг аут?
1:01:00
пожизненно заключённые мужчины
1:01:26
Владимир Панасенко
1:09:00
Андрей Тюрюков
1:11:05
когда впервые попал в тюрьму?
1:12:10
Игорь Трубицин, его история
1:15:42
начальник колонии о режиме содержания
1:17:23
имеют ли право заключённые на соцсети
1:17:32
о Донецком регионе
1:19:00
нужен ли шанс на исправление?
1:20:15
Панасенко о переосмыслении
1:20:55
изменились ли условия пребывания?
1:21:42
какое отношение к пожизненно заключённым?
1:22:55
начальник колонии про Тюрюкова
1:24:25
начальник колонии про Панасенко
1:25:30
были ли мысли о суициде?
1:26:30
начальник о заключении браков
1:27:15
Андрей Тюрюков о нарушениях со стороны администрации
1:28:44
Яна Баранова про Панасенко
1:29:33
почему не признает вину?
1:30:01
четыре раза просил о помиловании
1:34:01
Яна Баранова про Игоря Трубицина
1:34:49
начальник колонии про Игоря Трубицина
1:35:49
два человека, которых помиловал президент
1:36:59
закон «Право на надежду»
1:39:22
член комиссии по вопросам помилования
1:43:36
Игорь Трубицин о помиловании
1:45:03
почему президент не подписал указ о помиловании?
1:46:43
как работает комиссия по вопросам помилования?
1:50:50
если надежда выйти на свободу ?
1:52:40
Валентина о том, как познакомилась со своим женихом
1:53:27
дело Георгия Гонгадзе
1:54:50
за что сидит Алексей Пукач?
1:57:18
что случилось в тот вечер ?
2:04:01
появилась квартира после убийства
2:04:57
почему Пукач боится говорить?
2:05:27
заслуживают ли эти люди на пересмотр дел?
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00:00:02
greeting after all filming
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days when we filmed all the heroes
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this episode is about lifers
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people I've interacted with for life
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convicted women with life sentences
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convicted men with volunteers with
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Alexey Kuka than the murderers of his Georgy
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gongadze when I decided to film this
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graduation I thought I would have a hundred
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percent
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unambiguous attitude towards each of
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heroes but when I talked with each of
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heroes
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I sympathized with him, it seemed to me that
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this person is not guilty then
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I re-read the case, I realized that yes he
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must be in prison
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freedom then talked with lawyers from
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human rights activists again changed their
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solution look what we got but
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I can say for sure that in Ukraine
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there must be a law that
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provides
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review of cases even for life
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convicted people because in our
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system the same as in America and Europe
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there may be a miscarriage of justice because
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one percent of people who are sentenced to
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possible life imprisonment
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have the right to another term
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I understand correctly that this is not the first time
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are in prison for up to 2
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once and for the first time for what and for how long
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the first time they gave me 4 years
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well then come on it was my fault I left well
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it was a robbery out of stupidity in general
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[music]
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well, that is, it was a mistake it was
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this is a mistake
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[music]
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we were a bunch of youngsters but I was already
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quite a few years ago I was already 20 years old
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it's just good what it is
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happened and deserted of course so that everything
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so that when they are released they think that
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all this is the last time I didn’t think so
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I asked God to let me sleep together
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I took Rolla away from everything unnecessary and I
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I tried not to do anything there
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no action there, I tried and
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I generally don’t communicate with people like that
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what happened had to be good
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we were going to steal, well, we were there twice
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they just testified that we
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we were there once we were there one day
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nothing happened they decided
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prepare and move on to the next one
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day then the next day we went
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drank wine on the way there was a passerby with
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which caused a conflict between the cohabitant
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that's why there was a fight
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its ending with murder and where it should
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was be stealing the same thing they all
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planned to kill anyone
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wanted to steal it was very difficult and
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financial situation financial
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the situation was difficult for my partner
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went to steal, that is, even went to take
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Well, I just had a conflict with him
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not then the air freshener started hitting me
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him at home and take her for me only
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went came where it was supposed to be
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theft thought
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taken, the partner stayed on the street with his son-in-law
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there was a stick because there were dogs there was no
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metal rod because before that
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so I ask why you had
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metal
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because when we were before this day
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and the barn was open in this yard then well
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turned on the logic that tomorrow is the year of the castles
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hanging here and a woman came out
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this woman was murdered
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I didn’t approach the housewife at all afterwards
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when this woman's husband's grandfather came out
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I've already run up
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I hit him several times with a tire iron
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on the shoulder and it seemed to me and on the shoulder and
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these were delayed but the examination was nowhere to be found
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indicated that is, in the examination where I am
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I asked for requests and made them to give me
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expert opinion, that is, I have
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as if this is an expert's opinion, also me
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I read it and it says everywhere that death
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stepped on by an ax and was hit with a stick
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wooden neither one nor the other in the hands
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I have no one and the soup understood what they
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first my son-in-law slandered me
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take then changed the readings
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came in and started saying that I didn’t apply it
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blows the roommate saw what we were like
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cooperated and then started on trial
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says that at first I stood crying
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I asked that they not beat me there and then he took it and
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the ax began to hit with an ax all your
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accomplice is your husband at that time
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there and he was also given a life sentence for
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he and my sister's husband were taking us
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there were three of us pike katerina in places
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imprisonment since 2010 but here
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Kachanovskaya colony since 2012
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I got here for complicity in murder
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with a life sentence of imprisonment
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I was a friend
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As a comrade this time I have a connection with him
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blood as fleeting
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and he called me and said that two
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see you there all that we saw each other
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we sat there in the bar but basically that’s it
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that they saw me everywhere in the bar in
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store it’s most likely later in life
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kind of saved it, well, because tons and
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then he said it himself, well, I came
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I called a taxi from my city
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there are these calls, I'll still sit on
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checked in, I arrived there and met
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but there they have it too
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Turin district but it’s somehow Lugansk
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region Stupinsky district and that is
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but I arrived with a grid in light on me
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paid attention because because I don't
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it was local in any case, and he was a plus
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such a hooligan who, well, sort of
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everyone knew of course they looked and who
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there with him then we were in a bar like that
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as if a lot of people saw us and then he
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says let's go to these
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goodbye to comrades there is a married couple
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it happened too, but they are a married couple there with
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they are a friend, well, I don’t know, family
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a couple of years, but I understand that sooner
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in total, but we came, they were sitting over beer
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entrance whales drinks there we come
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Vadim also joined and sat
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I was drinking, I was sitting, I haven’t had a drink yet, well,
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I actually drank some kind of drink there
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there I don’t know a little bit, here they are
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we bought it and there was this girl
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who called me there with her
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we settled in, we'll buy cigarettes or something else
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but I kind of saw her before when
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came and called Vadim outside
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I say but I'll go buy cigarettes there
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sereta and go, he says no need
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nowhere Wednesday go here and there not like
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I'm not a friend, I don't need to go anywhere
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walk and I came and sat back but they
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some but after I already thought about down
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To and there was some kind of connection, but rather
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just because they are all there in one
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this village of yours
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that's because it overflowed, oh well there
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as if I wasn't even jealous
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I think it's like some kind of nerve
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he was working, he said that he wasn’t going anywhere
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the carriage was walking and in a moment it would take you somewhere
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it will lead there incomprehensibly where she says
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well, before that was fine with you
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Newton quarrels very much among themselves but from
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which I realized that they most likely had
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some kind of contact later this is when I
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ended up in and vs I already found out what was there
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in general the whole company was convicted except
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me and this other man here
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they turn out to be the three of them and she was sitting
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earlier turns out to be unintentional
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murder, that is, they have these here
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the words of jargon began and nothing in between
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by myself, and then I sent it somewhere
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he once sent her, I used this knife
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this one is pressed so as not to be
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she throws out something like this, but that’s what I understand
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one she's on him
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Well, I kind of reacted like this, but this
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it’s my fault I’m in this as if from the very beginning and
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now I'm in this project what but I have
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somehow it turns out to be a reflex and lashed out
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I took a bottle at him with this knife
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hit me and this is my fault, I know but
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I understand that if I could
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somehow pulled back or Vadim said this
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Let's get out of here, most likely this wouldn't happen
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happened he survived
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then she starts attacking, well, yes, yes, but
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then I lost consciousness then it started
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brawl but these are the price
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stab wounds and it turned out that we all
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they died from a fight
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yeah, who suggested setting the apartment on fire?
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house, well, Vadim, because well, I’m a wife, as it were
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not at all I didn’t think he seemed to understand what was there
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maybe some prints
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will there be anything else left at that moment
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when he set the house on fire, I wasn’t there either
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flour, well, it helped me, he said I need it there
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collect some things when he has
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there was a fight with this
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the third man I sat there and so
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it turns out you go into the room and then
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chiffonier is us so we usually do this
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such a rural house I get
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between this siphon frame and the window is a fact
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Alucard sat down and started screaming
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invisible insole right under the window
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started I remember that I somehow found this
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pulled us out and started talking at night
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lurking like this and then I saw it here
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some things because he's collecting here we are
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so it happened that when he had already set the arson
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we left this house then I have it too
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I was once a researcher, that's what I need
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the investigator says why didn’t you run away?
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the house is so extreme it turns out that we are with him
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went out and he closed these doors and there
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this arson, well, somehow it’s there
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it turns out that if apparently in my opinion if
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all the windows are closed so oxygen or whatever
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leaves and doesn't go anywhere, that's all
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went out and he left me there
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the yard turns out and went again
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I could set fire at that moment
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I can’t even think about running away somewhere
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there was somewhere to run at first, I didn’t know
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where should I run because it was night
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and I’m in a different room, as if I were in this
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I didn’t understand the terrain below and how it was there
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well, and then later he told me that
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only, well, I was generally considered superfluous to him
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witness, you understand, as a matter of fact
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it's just that we arrived and I'm not local
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we saw everything there, we stopped at a gas station
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bought something there then we were in it
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bar, that is, many have seen everything in any
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case, you immediately started asking him
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and there turns out to be this woman
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who was then deceased and and just
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they arrived a few days before
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some guys from Lugansk
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searched and searched, went there and asked there
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I don’t know what she did there, but her mother
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said mom, she actually has her mom
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I was completely surprised by the reaction, she says
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where are these people they need to say thank you
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because they rid the world of life altogether
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from a monster, but I don’t know how it’s like that, and they
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basically everyone already thought that this was it
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some guys came from Lugansk, well
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and then it became clear that you
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completely by accident gave themselves away
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came to visit friends and talked about
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it seemed to me that he was like this
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I wanted to say this, that is
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boast that he’s like that, well, just
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we we we with him we with him first
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talked about it all because
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but she looked at the mistress of the house
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she had nothing on me, no blood
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nothing works, he had jeans
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blue and black jacket cover it up
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And
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and when, well, their necks were cut and
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when all these people were cutting this blood
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this is all gushing out, that is, but with no
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your jackets are all on jeans but he's all in
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blood in general it was naturally night
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looks and it’s not clear what’s going on there
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soaked what was to be said but he too
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as if he said so, but then he said that
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that they won't tell anyone anything they like
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I would scare you and in the end these guys came and
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told that in the end they first
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gave evidence like, well, when everyone is there
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this village was interrogated there later
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they testified that before it was like this
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conversation they told what he said
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what did I do there at about the same place they
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one hundred percent didn’t know, for example, not
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they said who he killed there, that I was there
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thing, but from this whole conversation I
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I eat and what was told and then and then
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then there were investigations and when they
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We came to the trial while the investigation was underway
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they sold the house, this is the owner of the house
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sold the house, something happened there
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circumstances with his wife, but I don’t know
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who did what, in general they sold
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the house left in the general unknown
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direction and when they were summoned to court
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they came to the trial and at the trial they said
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that everyone calls me the blasphemer, we lower it
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I'm 25 years old
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are not accused of double murder, but what
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you relationship was sopaku us in general
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were difficult
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but with this we eventually found the points
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contacts with my uncle before
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last lady and what kind of people they were
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let's explain to the viewer that you are not
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I immediately lived with them when I was 14 years old
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Ukraine where my grandmother lived then
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guardianship for this form of pillars Boris
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I can't come with them
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It’s hard for you to see what kind of people they are or are you
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you don't know what kind of people it is, of course that I
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I know
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enough on the radio it was 23 years old
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when you still had to live
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for some reason it didn't move, I think it was
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less than 20 I was still studying and working
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It was precisely during that period that I was engaged in
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to make yourself new
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financially independent, that is, you are simply
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I didn't have enough money to move out
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the only reason is of course if
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family
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only holds on because everything is tied up
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on one person on his problems then
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there is on mine then of course I think about it
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that if I parry then actually
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will lose some sense, tired, that is
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do you think that was their meaning of life
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you me
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fell apart in a different sense.
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maybe he didn’t come for him once upon a time
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with whom did you work as you imagined
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my life where I studied
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I continued to study as a psychologist
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Faculty of Education it was
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the lock worked for you boris toy
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At the same time I was photographed by him
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I was involved in graphic design of course
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saw my future and short-term and
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long-term plans were to call me
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Valentina I'm over 50 years old and I'm here
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I am in someone who is not ten years old, 11 years old
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in full I am 13 years old already
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time and imprisonment for the behavior of a triple
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murders, that is, in the case, you’re an idiot
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planned the husband's action because
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they accused him of killing his father yes
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so the simple fact is that I still
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I'm sure of this just to understand them
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went Mark and picked up dad
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up I saw all this, not only I’m running
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and that there was a workshop there a little
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the hole on the side was all beat up now
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I'll say left side to left side and there
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where is the temple next to the temple behind the block just
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hole that is, you think it's sunrise
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Hamlet someone
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our Valdis and there the kit was just
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the conflict was on February 23 and how Russia
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didn't drink and dad always started it
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learn words words he pushed him can
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he didn't want to, he pushed and that's it
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dad hit something you didn't tell me
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police nowhere
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the police came immediately but no one said anything
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that is, the person simply didn’t sit down for it either
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killed nothing no one nothing examination
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showed that heart failure
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you didn’t want to punish him somehow
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You probably don’t know about this, most likely
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that at that moment I had no desire
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punish him
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because essentially if you take a dream
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get along
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was unhappy at that moment because
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at that moment we already had accounts with them
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live date with a successful one, I talked to him and
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there he is for this constantly not the case
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Job
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Arsen was in your custody
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Well, there we came with this cherry
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to earn money and he’s there if two or three times
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I worked there for about three days, I worked on something
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it was necessary to pay rent for the apartment
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pay something walked around the tuba drank what
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written in the case where you sat down and how
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it actually happened
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from your words there I am smarter with me
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according to not
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this is not an investigator, not a lawyer, not
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prosecutor at trial
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they didn't take it into account even after
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everyone, well, for example, actions if I
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fought only can means I fought and
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the fact that my husband has blood in those packs
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is the same
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but then they all work out for me
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but I couldn’t prove it in court
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this is because I have a lawyer if he
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there was this government official, I asked him
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for him to come and say says who
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you're so yellow you tell me everything
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his last words were just on
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sentence look at this young beautiful and beautiful
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I ask you to give me a protective shield for 15 years, but what about
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November at 2 thousand and ninth
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February 23
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oh June 23, 2010, when is it already
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the verdict was he could have done at least something
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It’s easy to say no to any judge
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sat smiling stupidly as they suffered
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the other two people what was it but this
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it turned out so when I
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I was fighting with my husband, I asked him
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hit for me let's go to defense these
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there's one there who was given a life sentence
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then they write two were there, they were nearby
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his drinking buddy was also with my husband
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and they have it there too, I don’t know what
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I somehow didn’t get into it there
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who they fought on the second day already we
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when we went out into the countryside we just got bored
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my accomplice turns out he went there
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no one even thought about coming here, no one
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I don’t think anyone expected it, well again
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again, as they said, there was a conspiracy
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although no one at all
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show on the wolf that's remote behind me
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was in theory for that matter
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should hit me in the house because
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the girl who was with us
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she is here, that is, you went to nature
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and the second murder happened and how are you
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weakened
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well, we arrived later on a motorcycle
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up to one of the plumbers just there
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were sitting there and I don’t know someone someone
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someone said they called the police on
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just then the police came immediately too
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my my told the whole truth
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the researcher was a lawyer immediately you
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thought about how it could have been different
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to act in that situation so as not to
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be here
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Of course I replayed this situation
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millions of times he started hitting me again
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near the store, that is, we have already left
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uncle and stood near the store and he
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it started to the store they ran up
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did you and the guys who tried
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defend yourself, that is, for me
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Well, the guys also had to intercede and
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I went, well, that is, it’s like it’s not yet
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it was completely late
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well there were a lot of taxi drivers
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it was but it was already after two o'clock in the morning
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of course, well, the youth was on the street, I
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I approached the taxi drivers and asked me
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they took it away but I had it in my hands
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here I ask myself why and in general
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I didn’t leave this one, especially the bike
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my bike was borrowed and if it was in it
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I didn’t have a bicycle in my hands, I would have sat down stupidly
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in a taxi and left and the taxi driver had enough for me
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These gas cylinders have nowhere in the trunk
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the bike is bigger
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I have to go to hell with the TV master and that’s it
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there is a situation that could
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just take me home, stay
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after all, why did you want to kill my husband?
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in general you wanted to kill me in general
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it wasn't planned to kill but
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it turned out that they just wanted him to escape
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to scare him or the cow was just
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to drink, but I understood that I did too
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a strong woman is possible
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and we have Belta, yes he beat me and this
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bellona for me and my children and my daughter
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could hit me in front of people and people
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They saw that they were beating you and didn’t pay any attention to you
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pay attention to this, well how can I tell you
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someone can
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says stop the show, I could have been hit
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Russo if there is somewhere Sergei
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for example there were there there was one like this
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the situation is at a funeral
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but with his relatives and there we are a little
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but again it hit me aside
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and the snail, well, we thought about going to the police
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say that beating you is honest and beatings
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I was filming but then he came home and
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knees
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rotation I took it all this how much
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I wish I could live with him for years, well, if so
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you can say .
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20 years old I got married I was 17 years old we
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8 incomplete 18 and when he started to run you down
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I raised my hand for the first time
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was pregnant how old was he 18 it was me
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in the Far East
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then I needed it right away, how about you?
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Do you think why you didn’t have enough strength after all?
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bring the matter to an end that you are not here
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were there so that he would be punished
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at least in front of the police I don’t know
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probably a pity love to be left alone
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This one was the most scary for me
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yes, out of fear for what you can
00:26:27
staying with the child I understand this now
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but what difference did it make to me then
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eighteen years, well, although he also sat
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didn't grow up and waited and drove the same thing
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forgave everything for which he was imprisoned
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theft theft
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often in general he is in general
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him
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boredom and three or four times is when
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I heard the verdict that they will give you
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life sentence remember your
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of course I remember the feelings, well, first of all
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when did the trial start
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I had 2 articles: theft and robbery
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were
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before that I subscribed to them in general
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I was arrested, I was on subscription, I was
00:27:21
I'm sure I need to sit down
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that is, from being the punishment for
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which is my fault but what will not be attributed
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murder, I'm telling you honestly
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They took my passport even though I had it
00:27:36
I didn’t have a passport and if I knew that
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I'm in danger
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that's the deadline, well, I ran away, nothing
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I didn’t sit and wait for them to come to me
00:27:44
will be arrested and imprisoned for life, but I was
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I'm sure but 100 percent that I'm there
00:27:50
seven years in my opinion the ceiling was I was
00:27:54
I agree, as if I knew everything I didn’t say
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everything is exactly according to plan, but when
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I was arrested and presented with these two
00:28:02
articles
00:28:03
first they presented all the articles and robbery and
00:28:07
murder and these two articles later
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prosecutor's office media 8 9 articles all I went
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to court with these articles and the victim
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became asked to return the case incision because
00:28:19
that they think that I also killed his father
00:28:21
and the case is returned to ds this one came
00:28:24
therefore, we have known it since childhood
00:28:26
he's on his knees crying and saying I don't
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I know I don’t understand what’s wrong with him
00:28:30
happens and then, as it turned out, in
00:28:34
during the investigation, well, anyway, I was
00:28:37
I'm sure that
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but the 12th car is here
00:28:40
what will happen later I was worried about
00:28:42
what will be 7
00:28:44
but the lawyer stipulated and convinced how
00:28:48
would be that the roommate will be later because
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that despite the fact that it was in 2001
00:28:55
year he was tried for murder but the money was in
00:29:01
our country is very much appreciated and this
00:29:05
murder was reclassified as
00:29:07
excess of self-defense, well, it’s like a trial
00:29:12
Maybe this should be taken into account, well, sort of
00:29:14
there somewhere unofficially but take it
00:29:17
take into account we're all like he's a hundred
00:29:20
percent later out you are still Ruslan
00:29:22
can borrow these for a period
00:29:25
Well, the prosecutor asked me for 15 years and when
00:29:30
the court said that the prosecutor was a powerful magician
00:29:34
if the whole body has become cottony, it’s some kind of
00:29:41
I knew it seemed to me but in general
00:29:43
for life this is a solitary cell there are two
00:29:47
for two in general but despite the fact that I
00:29:51
I've already been here in this colony and I saw
00:29:54
women who were in prison for life
00:29:56
then they were performing at a concert and I was sitting
00:29:59
behind the scenes I just looked at them
00:30:02
It’s not for you to take your eyes off, I’m in my head
00:30:05
scrolled through a woman for life woman
00:30:07
in life but it’s so somehow
00:30:09
it was terrible in my head and here I am
00:30:11
I understand that a woman is for life
00:30:13
concerns me directly
00:30:16
started crying take everything else there
00:30:18
started snorting something at me
00:30:21
before like think about it you remember
00:30:23
your thoughts how you reacted when
00:30:26
I found out that life awaits you
00:30:28
verdict what kind of feeling it was and not
00:30:36
I know how to say they weren’t there, that’s how it is
00:30:39
that's how empty it would be inside
00:30:43
Well, of course I didn’t believe it and didn’t believe it
00:30:46
I believed it after two days, but when
00:30:49
already a valley
00:30:50
this sentence was already from the general building
00:30:53
moved to a semi-basement room there
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Lugansk there it turns out 1 contains everything there
00:31:01
they brought such a mattress, well, that is, it
00:31:03
conditions are completely different for girls
00:31:05
everything was like the girls had something like this
00:31:08
vodka everything is about the same as here, well, plus
00:31:10
minus there it was possible and there in the basement
00:31:13
actually there were these two beds
00:31:18
iron hole in the floor, that is, where
00:31:21
it was necessary to get to this type of punishment cell, but there
00:31:25
wife and since the sector is well as for
00:31:27
life prisoners there is such a semi
00:31:29
fell on it turns out somewhere like this
00:31:32
the distance turns out to be visible, that is
00:31:34
above the ground they walked there and checked
00:31:36
only legs were visible, that is, like this
00:31:41
got a basement there in Lugansk in general
00:31:45
it was tough there and the food was so-so
00:31:48
was not very well and due to the fact that it
00:31:51
after all
00:31:53
semi-basement there are rats running around like that
00:31:55
for heard the verdict remember yours
00:31:58
emotions and of course what it was this
00:32:05
there were tears
00:32:06
I just couldn’t get up to the judge there
00:32:10
I have barrels, it’s hard to survive
00:32:25
it's the same as a person to bury
00:32:30
live
00:32:31
what is a life sentence, it’s very scary
00:32:35
it's simple
00:32:44
[applause]
00:32:51
it's very hard
00:32:53
you see, they didn’t take him here either
00:33:08
explain it right away, you and
00:33:11
parents are not on very good terms
00:33:13
were because we lived with my grandmother, I don’t have
00:33:17
Mom was imprisoned for the murder of Onagawa
00:33:20
mistresses dads and she were given 12 years
00:33:24
so this period will be from grandma or
00:33:30
we are three sisters, the youngest is the smallest
00:33:33
for the right, terka and sister remained and
00:33:52
Now dad is getting custody of his daughter
00:33:58
so now this is the situation
00:34:01
about my daughter, how she should be raised
00:34:03
so she doesn't end up like this
00:34:06
situation like your mother or you
00:34:08
she didn't post the photo when she saw it
00:34:11
I speak at home until I'm 18 years old, I generally speak with
00:34:14
not a step in the house and you see them
00:34:16
only via skype or allowed
00:34:18
long pigs is the solution
00:34:20
dates and long-term briefs
00:34:23
the last time they were several years
00:34:25
ago
00:34:26
[music]
00:34:28
but now it’s just not financially possible
00:34:31
allows and plus quarantine, I read that
00:34:34
you are trying to find out information about your
00:34:37
eldest son, well, that’s what happened to him
00:34:42
I talked a month ago and
00:34:45
he talked dryly and doesn’t want to talk
00:34:49
what did he say sorry mom I don't want to
00:34:51
Even your mother doesn’t call it communicating with you
00:34:55
it's all because of dad and you ended up here
00:34:59
when he was how old I was already at that
00:35:02
I didn’t live with my first husband for a moment, he was
00:35:06
three years when we just broke up
00:35:09
he's my first husband, I don't want to say that
00:35:12
he was influencing or something but he
00:35:15
former police officer at that time and
00:35:19
he had very good connections and I was
00:35:24
20 years ago it wasn't stupid and parents
00:35:28
there was no support nearby
00:35:31
well, that is, when I got married everything was with
00:35:34
it was a pleasure to treat me like this
00:35:38
marriage is just very early
00:35:40
I got married early, I don’t want it that much
00:35:45
right up to 18, option up to 16, well
00:35:51
my goal was to escape from my grandmother because
00:35:54
that mom wasn't around, dad wasn't around
00:35:58
it was and it seemed to me that the wedding was a wedding
00:36:01
rings walk it's all so clear
00:36:03
you got married here, I expected you to get married
00:36:07
don't tell me how to get married
00:36:13
met
00:36:14
somehow I realized that this is your future husband
00:36:18
Came here in 2012 and started visiting
00:36:21
the church has come to me like a bird
00:36:26
a woman of faith comes to people here
00:36:29
she began to correspond with her
00:36:31
they talked about their son, how
00:36:34
named such a son she is also about him
00:36:36
cared, he was also in places of deprivation
00:36:37
freedom at one time there sat Sen
00:36:40
slim years old, well, how would she be everything to me
00:36:43
says you pray that God gives him
00:36:46
good wife so let's pray together
00:36:51
Well, I didn’t perceive it at all, I didn’t think about it
00:36:53
nothing at all and then he gets it
00:36:56
the letter, well, it’s written like Katya
00:36:58
do you think it will be possible to be like you?
00:37:00
we were only allowed then
00:37:02
well, the phones waited there for their turn
00:37:08
what's the schedule and there's an ambassador there
00:37:10
I called while my husband was away, they were praying there
00:37:13
somehow this is what he says, well, in general
00:37:15
something like this he says, well, he’s free
00:37:19
I talk a lot in the third there is some
00:37:21
get yourself a girl and create a man, as it were
00:37:24
it's unknown for life what
00:37:26
laws will be adopted will not be adopted will be replaced
00:37:28
once upon a time or in general, well, somehow still
00:37:30
in front of such a deadline I have at that time
00:37:32
only it turns out that I just sat for 6 years
00:37:36
Ritu girls are free, there are many chances but
00:37:39
I can have you alone so something like this
00:37:41
ask if we loved each other we didn't love each other
00:37:43
well, somehow everything will be fine and
00:37:48
they were all complete strangers and
00:37:51
knew before Dubrov got married for six months but
00:37:56
then somehow he came over time
00:37:57
back then there were meetings every three
00:38:00
months then became every two months
00:38:02
on how he would press Komi every date
00:38:05
periodically asked for 5 days earlier
00:38:08
Well, it’s possible there, so let’s come
00:38:11
after a while we got used to each other
00:38:15
So we lived like that for four years
00:38:18
quarantined us there and now you are no longer
00:38:21
together yes no you made a decision what you want
00:38:25
we need to get a divorce but we are not official yet
00:38:28
developed, well, how did you make a decision, well
00:38:31
Just
00:38:32
quarantine has started but I think it's already
00:38:35
I was tired at this point already
00:38:38
the last code you already have a country to go to
00:38:40
you're at a distance from what it's like to ride
00:38:44
as if the distance is not so difficult
00:38:47
he was here for three days to come back
00:38:49
Everything is fine
00:38:50
for later, this is all the household stuff in the morning
00:38:53
I'm ready to get up on my own, all seven of them, as it were
00:38:55
it's very hard to wash, put away while working
00:38:57
How to work a life a week is difficult
00:39:01
graph and how he reacted once
00:39:03
she said that you want to break up, how is he?
00:39:07
he reacted simply but it happened there
00:39:10
another situation and another one appeared
00:39:11
woman so how would you and I talk about this
00:39:15
I found out, well, he said it himself, and at the same time
00:39:19
that he is a believer without faith, well, like a believer
00:39:22
was leaving at that time but was a little bit
00:39:25
then left the church
00:39:26
we had a little quarrel a little bit
00:39:28
had a fight when I was on the phone in Crimea
00:39:30
I have him in Crimea resume of earnings and
00:39:33
when he's like we haven't been here for a few weeks
00:39:36
talked to him and then he called
00:39:39
and says I’m leaving for Ukraine tomorrow
00:39:41
what are we having there on a long date
00:39:44
well, I was offended because he didn’t
00:39:46
I didn't ask for forgiveness or anything at all
00:39:48
I haven’t touched on this topic at all
00:39:49
boiled meeting we are doing well
00:39:51
there is a schedule but there is no need to go, who
00:39:54
now someone close to you supports you
00:39:56
no one has any relatives left, well
00:40:01
about you consider that mom 2007 is
00:40:05
sister sister when the war started she
00:40:09
I left Lugansk, but it’s like a husband there too
00:40:12
not much of you
00:40:16
there is no such relationship, in general we even
00:40:18
it's not because there are children there already
00:40:20
nephew is already growing up
00:40:22
My niece will be 13 at 4, so what?
00:40:26
nephew is already asking questions about me
00:40:28
well, as if he was three years old when
00:40:30
I was imprisoned but he remembers a little
00:40:34
I remember from the photographs I still remembered him
00:40:36
I called from here, we talked on Skype
00:40:38
well, and then all sorts of social networks
00:40:42
the rest of youtube is all there
00:40:44
video and sister removed all the photos where
00:40:47
there I am, well, well, so to speak
00:40:50
to less but says that I will
00:40:52
explain at all
00:40:53
what am I going to say and so basically
00:40:56
then she left for Russia, we stopped
00:40:59
communicate quite here was a husband husband
00:41:02
supported now he has a new family
00:41:05
a baby boy has already been born
00:41:15
[music]
00:41:23
my name is I'm a psychologist and here I am
00:41:28
for many countries I already have both
00:41:31
for 11 years doing work
00:41:35
prisoners and, strictly speaking,
00:41:38
All this work can be summed up in three words
00:41:42
characterize that is, I prepare them for
00:41:44
release and preparing freedom for
00:41:47
meeting them here is such a processor in
00:41:51
in this issue I will talk about destinies
00:41:52
four women in them
00:41:54
more precisely, they wrote their books about three of them
00:41:57
can you describe each of them?
00:42:00
Of course I can and perhaps I’ll start with Valentina
00:42:06
who is again from Kiev today
00:42:10
been practically the people lately
00:42:13
in Borispol and we have Valentine's cover and
00:42:16
face of the project exit to color 40 stories not
00:42:20
saints and due to the fact that now it is very
00:42:23
Fortunately, there is an active campaign against
00:42:26
domestic violence that's how she is
00:42:29
symbol
00:42:30
how you don’t have to endure violence for very long
00:42:34
from a man in the family because he is a man
00:42:38
eat while you were in prison in the house
00:42:41
calm down the powder as soon as it comes out
00:42:43
problems started so value me on
00:42:46
I'm really sincerely sorry and to everyone
00:42:49
I just tell clients what why why
00:42:52
bring to such a state if everything
00:42:55
you can decide, well, certainly more
00:42:57
in a civilized way
00:42:58
another girl Katya Pike with whom we
00:43:03
We met a long time ago and she is not the first gender
00:43:06
once and a lot me with your such humility
00:43:11
whether and struck me with humility
00:43:16
she comes from Lugansk and at that time
00:43:20
when we met she was already 8 years old
00:43:22
was serving her sentence, there was a war going on and no one was there
00:43:26
didn’t support her story again
00:43:29
connected with love so like me always
00:43:32
I’m telling you why the women are sitting in the hall
00:43:35
her middle name has a complicated history
00:43:40
ended up in prison due to
00:43:42
love for the guy with whom I went to visit
00:43:45
there was an incident and she saw the threat
00:43:49
towards the guy, hit him with a bottle
00:43:52
the head that is on him so to speak
00:43:56
skewered everyone it's over it's over
00:43:59
everything is bad, that is, and the girl did not have
00:44:01
no criminal history, no connection with
00:44:05
it was all on her by the police
00:44:10
nothing will happen to you, but in the end
00:44:14
we have what we have and Lilya
00:44:20
her story is hard, I was interested in that
00:44:25
that Lily Na's mother was in prison for
00:44:28
murder of his mistress dad and here is the girl
00:44:32
got into the swing already and she was like this
00:44:36
the activist is so good and that never
00:44:38
but never yes she came back here again
00:44:42
on already returned to life and how
00:44:45
always a story with men, a love story
00:44:49
relationships and with a very sad
00:44:53
the end
00:44:54
Lily dice has a night with whom I am familiar and
00:44:58
we were very worried about her
00:45:00
certain moment we poured on today
00:45:03
Mom is gone then she is also very bad
00:45:06
felt she was a guardian but
00:45:09
girls and we arrived in this
00:45:12
Chernigov village is not the color of water and
00:45:15
such a beautiful daughter and I really don’t want to
00:45:19
and I hope this doesn't happen
00:45:23
repetition of lilin and this is the story of you
00:45:26
do you think it’s genetic somehow?
00:45:28
influences if a relative committed
00:45:30
crime, well, it's all subconscious
00:45:34
saves and does not miss anything and if
00:45:38
Lilya's way has been done done a little
00:45:42
Mom's probability is that or Lena
00:45:45
the daughter will also take this path very
00:45:47
very
00:45:48
exists she is beautiful she is young well
00:45:52
looks much older and will attract attention
00:45:55
men and they talked a lot about it, well
00:45:58
you can't go there for a glass of wine or champagne
00:46:01
or for some promises and do everything about
00:46:06
which you can regret very much later
00:46:08
so fortunately they are from that
00:46:10
abandoned force moved to another
00:46:12
place and therefore I hope that it will be repeated
00:46:16
I hope with all my heart that evening
00:46:19
this was the only time I came to you
00:46:22
uncle pestered
00:46:37
they can
00:46:41
why was my aunt killed in the end?
00:46:50
because during our conflict she
00:46:52
went out carefully and took it into account
00:46:57
that he appeared again in such a state
00:47:01
you loved the vile red uncle despite
00:47:08
because he treated you like that all the time
00:47:20
the problems revolved around alcohol and
00:47:22
what happened when he was in
00:47:26
in this state
00:47:27
let's say there is someone who asked about this
00:47:29
psychologist
00:47:30
at that moment when my uncle behaved
00:47:33
it’s ugly for them it’s not me they needed it
00:47:35
you'll have to see a psychologist for the day
00:47:39
I don’t understand correctly what if you take in
00:47:44
attention to the psychology of this aunt lived with
00:47:46
lake fashionable complex story with
00:47:53
alcoholism ran like a red thread throughout
00:47:57
their marriage dates back to when they were
00:48:01
thousands of stories from military personnel in Russia
00:48:08
who should I tell this to?
00:48:10
confirmation that’s how it was preserved throughout
00:48:16
life
00:48:18
codependent relationships every lawyer
00:48:21
when he takes on a client's business, he should be
00:48:24
I am sure that the person is not guilty and
00:48:26
began to not be able to defend him for some reason
00:48:28
the criteria you have determined for yourself is that
00:48:30
reduced is not to blame for the perfect
00:48:33
a crime is a crime that
00:48:35
accused of murdering two guardians
00:48:38
Well, the first thing is the matter itself, that is
00:48:43
case materials which
00:48:44
when we read we understood that there is
00:48:47
very big inconsistencies we met
00:48:50
from her version and the second one is enough
00:48:55
it was a weighty argument for us
00:48:57
communication most snowed but when you
00:49:00
you've been practicing for quite a long time
00:49:03
number of years you understand where a person is
00:49:05
says the truth where it doesn't burn here I don't
00:49:08
I know that we never give interest on
00:49:10
I'm somewhere around 100 percent ready
00:49:12
say that the version of Snezhana who she is
00:49:14
says it took place, can it be specific?
00:49:18
examples of what are inconsistencies in the case
00:49:20
Well, look, everything is built on that
00:49:23
that there is an apartment in the apartment they live
00:49:27
three something happened
00:49:29
one person survived according to the logic of things
00:49:33
Well, that's what first comes to mind
00:49:35
it was probably the man who killed him right next to his nose
00:49:37
the easiest
00:49:40
the police approached from this direction
00:49:42
there is if we are talking about what is there on
00:49:48
actually happened and why am I saying
00:49:50
that most likely the version of Snezhana which
00:49:52
says she didn't kill her aunt
00:49:54
she tried to pull her uncle away and got stuck
00:49:59
struggle and it was possible to exceed
00:50:01
self-defense
00:50:03
maybe something else but . where is she uncle
00:50:06
caused injuries but it was not
00:50:07
planned attack the same
00:50:13
testimony well, that is, if we are talking about
00:50:15
pre-trial investigation then she did not
00:50:16
gave evidence and it was absolutely
00:50:18
that's right because unfortunately we have
00:50:21
there is such a practice that we do not have
00:50:24
no need for presumption
00:50:25
if a person talks about something then everything
00:50:29
gaps that arise due to
00:50:30
cover the side that
00:50:33
beneficial to the investigation here snowana that is
00:50:38
her first time but the police say
00:50:42
that they were collecting material and actually
00:50:44
in fact, what happened was an interrogation
00:50:47
they came to her in the intensive care unit count on
00:50:49
came out of anesthesia after
00:50:52
hand surgeries and all those sketchy
00:50:55
the words she said to describe
00:50:58
situation and there was not a word about it
00:51:00
that she killed her mother-in-law that she
00:51:02
she wanted to kill her uncle
00:51:05
described some things
00:51:07
which she later repeated in the courtroom
00:51:09
meetings how it all happened
00:51:11
why was this not taken into account?
00:51:14
but it’s hard for me to say why the examination
00:51:18
incomplete contradict contradict conclusions
00:51:21
one of the conclusions there is another
00:51:24
examination, it’s also hard for me to say if
00:51:26
if this was the pre-trial stage
00:51:28
investigations and courts of first instance
00:51:30
or even an appeal was possible here
00:51:32
how to deal with this procedurally
00:51:35
tools now we have a situation
00:51:39
when we see a picture about
00:51:41
says the snowmen, we see the case materials
00:51:43
what was collected we understand that the court
00:51:47
I didn’t even take into account everything that was in the materials
00:51:50
cases, that is, everything that testified in
00:51:52
the benefit of the snowmen, but she’s just not anywhere
00:51:54
I'm friends
00:51:55
and you didn’t write about the snowmen in your book I
00:51:57
since she just recently turned out to be
00:52:00
here to what they can say very much
00:52:04
tragic story and that's if the nation
00:52:08
people listen with different hearts inside me
00:52:11
I want to say that I learned about the snowmen
00:52:14
snowmen from women from women from women
00:52:19
who are essentially snowmen are absolutely nobody
00:52:22
it’s just that the person was so imbued with her story and
00:52:25
fate found me through Facebook later
00:52:28
from didn’t meet in Kyiv and then that’s it
00:52:31
it started, that is, I found one
00:52:33
public organization which
00:52:35
provided a lawyer and again to everyone
00:52:38
I believe in my heart that there will be a result because
00:52:41
that there is already a code for a petition in Europe and
00:52:44
now it's also going to be identified
00:52:47
circumstances, preparation of documents and
00:52:50
but I couldn't get past this story
00:52:53
that is, when on a girl
00:52:57
without
00:52:58
evidential in essence without deep
00:53:01
double weight investigations
00:53:04
murder and life sentence at 23
00:53:09
that is, well, it seems to me they
00:53:12
don't fit into any frames
00:53:14
is it really diary when I found out that
00:53:17
I wanted you to have a piercing, a piercing on my chest
00:53:20
cut it off with a knife
00:53:22
my words confirm this, but somehow it happened
00:53:27
how did he realize that you have
00:53:29
but these are details, something I need
00:53:35
it will only be as he understood, he saw somehow
00:53:41
harassed you or something
00:53:51
I bring it the most interesting if I
00:53:54
I tell this in court to people who
00:53:58
hold my life in their hands if not not
00:54:03
listened to me now after the fact
00:54:06
when in fact much is lost
00:54:10
unforgivably much you think for
00:54:14
someone or whom for that judge
00:54:16
but there is also a European court of rights
00:54:21
person and if any
00:54:26
details of the case is possible
00:54:28
turned out to be rock
00:54:36
that night I couldn't protect my aunt
00:54:40
and get out of the apartment so that he
00:54:42
survived if you read mondeo and
00:54:51
talk about someone who will be well
00:55:05
do you think that in the European court yourself
00:55:07
some people who will watch this
00:55:09
the video is felt, I think that in
00:55:12
European Court
00:55:16
people let's say when they find out that a person
00:55:22
gayness before them is not
00:55:24
is something to be condemned
00:55:28
and here we have such people, especially adults
00:55:31
if they find out that someone likes theirs
00:55:34
gender they can come and then relate to
00:55:37
person only about this and
00:55:40
and there may not be enough repentance either
00:55:44
I'm sorry enough just because
00:55:48
that you look different somehow
00:55:50
that this one is present
00:55:54
yes, this fact is what you like
00:55:58
girls I absolutely agree because
00:56:04
from the very beginning my subscribers are a great line
00:56:08
that since I have such a lifestyle
00:56:13
preferences such speeds mean there
00:56:15
something isn't working right in my head
00:56:17
Accordingly, you can think about
00:56:19
that I have a tendency to misrepresent myself
00:56:23
behave or show signs of deviance
00:56:33
behavior
00:56:34
you are engaged in protecting people established
00:56:36
associated with discrimination in particular
00:56:39
representatives of the LGBT community often
00:56:42
homosexual orientation can become
00:56:44
reason for harsher punishment
00:56:47
good question in court is what is the cargo
00:56:54
sexual orientation is the reason
00:56:56
attacks on such people are common
00:56:59
how homosexual orientation
00:57:01
becomes the reason for more severe
00:57:03
I'll be honest, I didn't see any punishment
00:57:07
the court decision in which this was reflected
00:57:10
that is, we are trying to get around this
00:57:13
the whole topic here
00:57:16
sexual orientation who said
00:57:18
Snezhana and for the first time she said something in general
00:57:21
that's when it was according to the police
00:57:24
interviewed
00:57:25
that is, by and large she said
00:57:28
she recognized Sergei as relatives
00:57:30
knew I think this was one of the reasons
00:57:35
why was she treated this way?
00:57:40
plus the fact that she is an orphan, plus the fact that
00:57:43
she
00:57:44
was born in the Russian Federation, well then
00:57:47
there's a huge lump there
00:57:49
the feeling that there is a person behind
00:57:52
which no one can stand, well, that is, here
00:57:54
there are no relatives, but there are friends, it’s good there
00:57:57
somehow supported
00:57:59
but the hub is for no one here, right here, right here
00:58:03
it worked as long as we haven't
00:58:05
indicated negotiations that
00:58:07
sexual orientation was the reason
00:58:08
there was no such sentence indicated there
00:58:10
sexual orientation was the reason
00:58:12
murders
00:58:13
that because she had conflicts with
00:58:16
a guardian who didn't understand
00:58:17
perceived she was carrying some kind of stuff there
00:58:21
intention the court did not take into account the fact that it was
00:58:25
it wasn't our intention it wasn't
00:58:30
I know how to speak Russian and Volotsky’s Tatra
00:58:32
Yes . where they talk to you every day about
00:58:34
that you are wrong and what you need
00:58:38
it will get better, they can help you
00:58:39
cope you understand that you are a man
00:58:42
is constantly in some kind of
00:58:44
condition but to say that she killed
00:58:48
uncle because once again he said about
00:58:50
the fact that she is somehow not like that no to me
00:58:53
it seems that most likely it is from my uncle
00:58:58
something happened and he was there, I don’t know, tired about
00:59:00
say this and tried as in
00:59:03
in quotes, re-educate your ex-wife too
00:59:05
snezana
00:59:06
22 years old you decided to make carmine gallo
00:59:09
why did you decide to do this to me?
00:59:13
decided because what to do and how to do it
00:59:16
it happened it happened time we are with you
00:59:22
asked for details
00:59:23
because it happened
00:59:29
you were forced it was not my choice
00:59:33
would you prefer not to know about yours?
00:59:36
orientation is just that
00:59:41
this is far from the only thing that makes me
00:59:42
determines unfortunately now I am like this
00:59:46
who sits with such and such orientation as
00:59:52
like it's the only thing that makes me
00:59:53
identifies your aunts and uncles
00:59:56
they don't know about your orientation and that's not
00:59:59
could be the reason that uncle
01:00:01
my aunt reacted aggressively to you
01:00:05
knew about this for a long time, probably the amount
01:00:12
17
01:00:13
Of course I was worried, well she
01:00:22
accepted me completely because
01:00:25
it's probably unconditional love when you
01:00:28
you accept the child no matter what he is
01:00:30
there is no need to find reasons for this
01:00:33
rationally took everything was more difficult
01:00:36
because it's always a man
01:00:39
it causes
01:00:41
not always everyone has them, but sometimes they are unhealthy
01:00:46
some kind of interest, perhaps protest
01:00:51
perhaps because the man himself
01:00:54
what kind of complexes are there?
01:01:00
of course they were from this
01:01:15
[applause]
01:01:26
I am Vladimir Ivanovich Panasenko, born in 1959
01:01:30
I was born in places of deprivation
01:01:33
freedom already according to the sentences
01:01:37
fair Ukrainian courts
01:01:39
17 they detained me and arrested me cost
01:01:44
completely completely fabricated
01:01:46
criminal case and they put me in prison
01:01:49
completely on
01:01:52
big we have you hand our six of these
01:01:55
judging because it's in my sentence
01:01:57
those things that are not there at all are also displayed
01:02:01
naked Dima understand here I am
01:02:04
I am already in my seventeenth year Venus me
01:02:07
in organizing attempted murder
01:02:09
my employer and business without
01:02:14
partner we are together and I am already a thousand
01:02:18
I don’t remember exactly, it was created in 1990
01:02:22
enterprise you for your war it was the most
01:02:25
the largest market went first
01:02:29
agricultural products in
01:02:31
western regions of Ukraine in Lviv
01:02:34
you see, that's when we worked for 15
01:02:36
years when we reached it already
01:02:39
the scale that it was the most enormous
01:02:41
famous market in Ukraine in one
01:02:44
beautiful moment car was blown up
01:02:46
the car of the chief director himself and
01:02:49
owners of more than 50 percent of shares in
01:02:54
at the time of this explosion he was on
01:02:56
the distance of the car is about the same
01:02:58
7 9 meters, that is, there’s nothing with him
01:03:01
nothing complicated happened, we just got hooked
01:03:03
there are some fragments of it but across the road on
01:03:05
passed at a distance of 15 meters
01:03:07
minor girl 14 years old and and
01:03:10
caught a fragment and flew off the sidewalk
01:03:14
piece and I got into a new one, interrupted her
01:03:16
the main artery then my professional
01:03:19
help they tried to help her they applied a tourniquet
01:03:22
but the loss of hemorrhage the ambulance arrived
01:03:24
took her soon and she
01:03:27
died in an ambulance this time
01:03:31
moment I was actually in the gym
01:03:34
that's when I was in the gym
01:03:36
my wife called and said there was an explosion
01:03:38
under the novel's car walking it
01:03:42
the main thing is this opponent, I’m right there
01:03:45
I got ready from the gym and came
01:03:47
I arrive and see the car is damaged and
01:03:49
The firefighters have already arrived, the police are all here
01:03:52
she's arrived
01:03:53
operational age group police
01:03:56
who was the first to arrive at the scene
01:03:58
happened they immediately started working
01:04:00
everyone started asking questions
01:04:03
wonder who and how it was, but you yourself
01:04:05
you see, these are all joyful enterprises
01:04:09
everything was going fine all friends everyone
01:04:13
fashion comrades in 4 hours already
01:04:16
announces one million ghrelins
01:04:19
reward for revealing this
01:04:22
crimes, you understand, I accompany him
01:04:25
We call you to the hospital in your car
01:04:27
the ambulance all goes to the hospital
01:04:30
I bring him fruit, everything there is nonsense
01:04:34
everything begins everything begins the investigation
01:04:37
for a whole month we are not all accomplices
01:04:40
accomplices from the co-founder of this
01:04:42
enterprises
01:04:43
call the police call the
01:04:46
Everyone is being interrogated by the prosecutor's office
01:04:48
everything is fine my address
01:04:51
completely truthful completely normal
01:04:55
show friends and work relationships
01:04:58
We're working fine, everything's great
01:05:01
a month later another one is detained
01:05:05
employee of our company so called
01:05:07
Rudova who worked in the wholesale market
01:05:11
Deputy Market Manager over Market Director
01:05:14
on economic matters and he is detained
01:05:17
psychotype seche a3 chesky hospital where is he
01:05:21
lay and was treated on the second day where did he
01:05:24
got after not evil in chewing alcohol and
01:05:28
he is not diagnosed by doctors with
01:05:33
predators in one coffee discord in us
01:05:35
types of survival alcohol that is
01:05:38
completely alcohol dependent person and
01:05:41
this man comes to the boss
01:05:43
they take him straight from this hospital to
01:05:45
second day of treatment when just when
01:05:47
he is under the influence of everyone
01:05:49
gives him the drugs he was given
01:05:52
I'll interrupt the confession, he writes in a whisper
01:05:55
I ordered his dream car for him myself
01:05:57
freddy cord for the purpose of raising his
01:06:00
the image of the deputy's environment is suspended
01:06:03
at that time he was a deputy of Lviv
01:06:05
low joy from the Batkivshchyna party
01:06:09
if I'm not mistaken you understand and here you go
01:06:12
it started to spin, he gives this whole story
01:06:14
confession 1 but immediately same day
01:06:17
in the evening he gives a second appearance with
01:06:19
guilty that he was mistaken templates resolved and
01:06:24
he gives to one of the co-founders of this
01:06:26
same enterprises for 2 people where also
01:06:30
completely different surname all on
01:06:32
the next day he gives a third appearance with
01:06:34
guilty where it says that he is not the main organizer
01:06:38
this assassination attempt and also me along with him
01:06:42
organizer and in the evening he gives again
01:06:44
already the fourth turnout to commemorate where already
01:06:46
I'm the only one left, you already understand
01:06:49
such a customer of this crime and that’s it
01:06:52
the investigator is calling me hot
01:06:55
The prosecutor's office has already taken the case to the police
01:06:58
I'm already doing the prosecutor's office is calling me
01:06:59
prosecutor's office for another interrogation
01:07:02
I come to the prosecutor's office
01:07:04
they let me in every half hour, I'm waiting for a call
01:07:07
from hotel you are a show in lviv
01:07:09
the first ones are waiting here when you call me
01:07:11
check
01:07:12
in half an hour again you show Lvov I
01:07:15
I'm starting to understand that I'm being pushed
01:07:18
provocations here I was cleaning or something else, I'm waiting for me
01:07:21
cause I'll order this birth sitting
01:07:24
his lawyer is sitting all I come in and Denny
01:07:27
I announce now there will be a confrontation era
01:07:29
great where is my lawyer you don't need
01:07:31
lawyer because you called here in
01:07:33
as a witness they are not the accused
01:07:37
victim to me
01:07:38
yaru is good and it starts here and he
01:07:41
I start to tell something
01:07:43
I organized this car bombing
01:07:47
I'm starting to ask him a lot
01:07:48
questions reach the timer, it's quieter
01:07:51
knows you choke to answer and says I don’t
01:07:53
I'll see more of him, that's all
01:07:56
the confrontation ends immediately
01:07:59
transfer the status of [ __ ] up and after
01:08:02
this immediately comes to me alpha with was
01:08:05
six people immediately arrest me and
01:08:08
take away the efficiency
01:08:09
This is where all my horrors began
01:08:12
season I was kept in so-called
01:08:15
tee isolated me completely from
01:08:18
the outside world then sat me for a year
01:08:21
called only therefore
01:08:23
2 weeks after the arrest he came to me and
01:08:26
he says I know it’s not your fault but I
01:08:29
they gave the command that you will sit
01:08:32
sit and live well I'm a soldier
01:08:35
I was told to do this, that is, you
01:08:38
do you think he organized it all?
01:08:39
holding up it doesn't matter what I think
01:08:43
you understand what is important is what is criminal
01:08:45
in a criminal case everything is there, I don’t believe in
01:08:49
you understand that he organized it, but I
01:08:52
I believe that I see that he covers names
01:08:54
those who organized it
01:08:56
why is he doing this for him to understand how
01:08:59
how long have you been here
01:09:00
2004 robbery charges
01:09:05
I am your version in one or two episodes I am this
01:09:08
I admit and I am accused of committing
01:09:11
murders
01:09:13
with two people involved in the case
01:09:16
but I didn’t participate, I helped them reduce
01:09:19
me bellelli committing proof
01:09:24
there is no one she needs a sentence
01:09:26
incriminating us with new ones at the testimony
01:09:28
which were obtained illegally
01:09:31
there is this gratitude knocked out of me
01:09:34
testimony I had a choice either to stay
01:09:37
alive and in the future that's all
01:09:40
provide the courts because times
01:09:44
were like that or die a hero I'm afraid
01:09:47
I lack common sense
01:09:51
common sense seems to be present
01:09:54
it turns out you got into this environment, you know
01:09:58
this Wednesday and on and on the floor the score with
01:10:00
early childhood because I'm not from Vinnytsia
01:10:04
I'm from Donbass
01:10:05
building the rocks of the area and by and large
01:10:08
We have such Rodion there that the youth
01:10:11
was brought up on the streets and looked up to
01:10:13
the elders and the elders were in the nineties
01:10:15
everyone is a bandit, you understand, athletes are bandits
01:10:18
at least they're not drug addicts, so what?
01:10:22
then it has a certain impact
01:10:25
I didn't have a father, I have a good mother
01:10:26
mother who would take care of me
01:10:28
but every year we went to the sea
01:10:30
dispensaries sanatoriums she did what she could
01:10:33
for me it's okay since I'm a guy she's not
01:10:36
I could control you understand for
01:10:37
this needs a father it turned out that at 17
01:10:44
years ago I was already imprisoned in Russia
01:10:50
it was a day of negligence getting here young
01:10:53
guy he's not rethinking me he's
01:10:58
here he gets the experience that
01:11:00
will have a negative impact on him in
01:11:02
in the future this is definitely the first time you've come
01:11:06
how many years in prison 5 then this is it
01:11:11
in Russia the child was 17 years old before then
01:11:15
here I got 6 years for robbery but my
01:11:19
robbery indeed
01:11:21
fund and this time in life although you
01:11:27
don't think what you know there
01:11:30
sociopath botovo was released in 2004 here she lived
01:11:35
here in Vinnitsa
01:11:36
rented an apartment worked on the Vova farm
01:11:38
Duke was studying
01:11:41
I went for the heating in the torso radio
01:11:43
Confessors talked to all the bosses
01:11:45
signed contracts and so on, I have everything
01:11:48
it was good but I had certain
01:11:50
circumstances that I do not justify myself
01:11:54
but I had extreme circumstances
01:11:58
need to find the one you need here
01:12:00
the same amount of money to the forest and for
01:12:05
that they gave me a life sentence because
01:12:08
economic situation yes yes yes me
01:12:12
they call to work on the ridge and
01:12:14
I am staying in this institution
01:12:17
since 2008 and in general places of deprivation
01:12:22
I have been free without a way out for 27 years
01:12:25
she still has a hard time fulfilling that day
01:12:27
why here
01:12:28
it’s simply impossible to forget what happened
01:12:32
how did you end up here
01:12:33
but it was the 90s but still young here
01:12:39
you didn’t see that period, but probably
01:12:42
heard read watched but when
01:12:45
the union collapsed so to speak
01:12:49
fish, not everything that was possible and
01:12:51
educational institutes cannot be closed
01:12:57
the whole place has turned into a market people
01:12:59
with higher education went out to trade
01:13:02
the market was crowded
01:13:03
private enterprise opened
01:13:06
small businesses all called themselves
01:13:09
directors deputy director me
01:13:11
Well, the general trend has gone, but what about business?
01:13:16
there was no such thing and who has more
01:13:18
less was the business prosperous just like that
01:13:22
say rising because then
01:13:26
businessman just starting to rise
01:13:28
Well, of course they were all attacked
01:13:31
these requisitions and all the others
01:13:33
competing companies, well in particular mine
01:13:38
the company that worked for us had its own
01:13:40
car market
01:13:42
car service parking lot and so on
01:13:46
Well, it’s natural for people to have an appetite.
01:13:49
appeared on our business, so to speak, and
01:13:52
they came and tried to take bribes from us, but
01:13:57
This is not the case, we are athletes guys
01:14:01
all were former masters of sports candidates
01:14:04
former Afghans, so they took it from us
01:14:08
unrealistic for me as a leader
01:14:14
companies
01:14:15
there was an attempt twice in 1994
01:14:20
I was beaten like crazy near Kharkov
01:14:24
and that's all they shot
01:14:27
preceded what came after
01:14:29
happened when the verdict was passed
01:14:33
there was a copper penalty
01:14:34
the legislation has changed, can't take it away
01:14:38
sat under the real death penalty then
01:14:41
there would not be a verdict
01:14:44
death penalty by execution in 1995
01:14:48
there really wasn’t a moratorium yet
01:14:52
They shot the people I was sitting with
01:14:55
actually everyone was shot except me
01:14:57
one more person though
01:15:01
two people who were convicted by court after
01:15:05
they shot us too, we have a situation
01:15:08
it turned out that there was a Supreme Court
01:15:10
when the cassation appeal was filed there
01:15:12
the judge either broke a leg or an arm and
01:15:15
As a result, our meeting was postponed, but also
01:15:17
perhaps this contributed so to speak
01:15:20
because they pushed back from us, we didn’t hit
01:15:23
shoot there in that line
01:15:26
had to deal with the celebration of the year I
01:15:29
fully waiting for this day, everything was ready for
01:15:32
this
01:15:34
ninety-six but that didn't happen and
01:15:37
only 90 had a moratorium in 1997, we
01:15:41
filmed the first episode in the colony and there
01:15:44
saw them as minors later
01:15:48
women they all had lunch together
01:15:52
don't fight with each other that's not the case here
01:15:55
there are some limitations here that
01:15:59
primarily due to what we are looking for in
01:16:01
maximum level institution
01:16:03
security that is content
01:16:05
convicts receive life imprisonment
01:16:07
it is clearly marked
01:16:09
legislation restrictions and most
01:16:12
the main thing here is only as a regional
01:16:14
this is the cornerstone requirement
01:16:17
strict isolation strict isolation and
01:16:20
from the outside world and from ourselves, that is
01:16:24
connection between convicts who
01:16:27
are in different cells this is already there
01:16:30
violation of the regime of detention, that is
01:16:32
convicted persons placed in a cell room
01:16:35
where contained there let's say 23
01:16:38
convicts they are constantly in
01:16:40
close contact with each other and has
01:16:43
the right to leave the cell only for
01:16:46
walks every day 1 hour for
01:16:49
sanitary treatment if they have
01:16:52
schedule let's say a bath or for that
01:16:54
to get the opportunity to do
01:16:57
phone call or access to
01:16:59
Internet or to school or to meet with
01:17:01
religious representatives
01:17:03
and this is all the output rights with the camera
01:17:07
Has anyone ever tried to escape?
01:17:09
from here there were attempts but they were
01:17:12
Again, I don’t want us to fail
01:17:17
jinx but the last 100 years of our
01:17:20
no one has ever killed an institution over
01:17:23
social networks do they have the right
01:17:26
the law clearly states narrowed
01:17:28
access to social networks is prohibited
01:17:32
first psychological help centers
01:17:34
Donetsk was open and you spent your time
01:17:36
a study in which
01:17:38
found out that every third man of this
01:17:46
region he was either sitting or sitting or not
01:17:49
will sit
01:17:50
of this Donetsk region suddenly someone
01:17:53
doesn't know until it was big for me
01:17:56
surprise and surprise that the quantity
01:17:59
penitentiary institutions of Donetsk
01:18:02
region was the largest in the entire
01:18:04
territory of Ukraine and the quantity is again for
01:18:07
return back that is percentage
01:18:09
relapse more than eighty-five, well then
01:18:12
there is for me it became complete
01:18:14
misunderstanding and rejection of why this is so
01:18:17
I need to figure it out the first time I came to
01:18:20
prison I told these men you
01:18:22
in general, the girl has a conscience, that is,
01:18:24
they suffer from freedom, they don’t know with whom
01:18:26
create 7th you hid, found where
01:18:29
Well, that’s when I asked for the first time
01:18:33
who tried how much to be free between
01:18:35
when he went out and came back and from
01:18:38
the record has not yet been broken
01:18:40
installed in 2011 at Gorlovskaya 27
01:18:46
colony 40 minutes forty said one of
01:18:50
those sitting were handed over to him for a total of 40 minutes
01:18:53
enough to take a breath of freedom
01:18:56
go back and it was stolen
01:18:59
wallet why are you fighting for what society is on
01:19:02
such people have a chance to reform
01:19:06
began in no civilized country
01:19:09
there is no such type of punishment as life
01:19:13
forever, that is, the European Court has already
01:19:17
admitted life imprisonment in a number of cases
01:19:21
punishment in Ukraine without realistic
01:19:24
paintings and liberation equated to
01:19:26
torture, inhumane treatment and
01:19:29
violating article three of the rights convention
01:19:32
people, that is, even in America as
01:19:35
the film looks at the sentence of three hundred years
01:19:37
or 400 years but in 10 years
01:19:40
a person can file a petition
01:19:44
revision of the contract will be
01:19:46
Well, motivation and understanding of what is needed
01:19:48
to do so that sooner or later but
01:19:51
such a beacon of freedom has dawned on us
01:19:54
for this life-long punishment
01:19:57
that is, this torture every day so be it
01:19:59
this shouldn't happen in the civilized world
01:20:02
exactly about the fact that knives are for life
01:20:05
punishment for women in Ukraine is considered to be
01:20:08
it's a great shame for our country because
01:20:10
that in no post-Soviet country
01:20:13
space of this kind is a punishment for
01:20:15
there are no women if the things you
01:20:18
rethought being here of course I
01:20:20
I really regret that I didn’t study enough
01:20:22
Mom told me to study and didn’t study until
01:20:25
I regret that I regret that
01:20:27
traveled very little around the world
01:20:29
that I was almost never anywhere
01:20:31
something was needed, then children were born or something
01:20:33
I needed something, something, I did everything later then
01:20:36
then and then I ended up living on
01:20:38
yes, I'm sorry about that, you know, I'm sorry about that
01:20:42
may have paid little attention to children
01:20:44
you see because it’s the same all the time
01:20:46
I was chasing everything so it turns out it wasn’t
01:20:49
happiness is not that everything happens, but happiness
01:20:52
is to be together out together
01:20:55
detention of prisoners during your
01:20:57
staying here of course of course
01:21:00
Now
01:21:02
if a person sits quietly and how
01:21:06
it says it doesn't bring any
01:21:09
administration hassle then sit and study
01:21:14
developing and you can now human
01:21:16
everyone can learn to read
01:21:19
but I don’t know, probably just from idleness
01:21:23
you can be mad already, I saw it, I watched it
01:21:26
your video camera is different from others
01:21:30
cameras and is different from others, I’ll explain why
01:21:33
because we ourselves showed the desire
01:21:35
it can make repairs in your cell
01:21:38
any person can do this kind of attitude
01:21:42
life prisoners are currently
01:21:44
I have a domestic conflict for being one of
01:21:47
moments well, how could you plant
01:21:49
tuberculosis person he is not convicted and
01:21:51
he has no sentence, he sat with us until
01:21:53
that moment while the video of the wife and brother
01:21:59
spouses did not post on Facebook when not
01:22:02
this hype started and in the end how much it
01:22:06
stayed in my place from July to 12 14
01:22:12
April this year, those guys with whom I
01:22:15
sat If you're interested, I can't
01:22:17
died from tuberculosis in this scheme
01:22:19
atmosphere obstruction is very serious
01:22:21
you understand and it’s a plus to take care of yourself
01:22:23
understand or remain silent, well, I would like it
01:22:27
we won’t forgive because what’s the point then
01:22:30
in general in life you have to go according to opinion
01:22:33
the administration that was and
01:22:36
today's prisoner is perfect
01:22:38
who walks around as if with a tag on his ear and
01:22:41
torment you understand, here they put him, wait
01:22:43
you then I'm here means stop put there
01:22:45
he's lying he's sitting
01:22:47
that is, people were not treated as people
01:22:50
treat by the way not to
01:22:51
break everything first
01:22:53
psychologically, what can you say about
01:22:56
these sleeves Andrey Aleksandrovich
01:22:58
model against controversial and heavy
01:23:01
personality
01:23:03
having, let’s say, psychological
01:23:07
peculiarities
01:23:10
which I can’t say for sure
01:23:13
they are negative and but these are positive
01:23:16
problematic to attribute because if
01:23:19
there is such a thing as adaptation to
01:23:21
conditions of detention that are any
01:23:24
wants to achieve someone
01:23:28
positive attitude of employees
01:23:31
institutions but at the same time bearing
01:23:34
some things aren't very good
01:23:39
intention and about the case he often leads
01:23:42
to myself
01:23:44
emotionally introducing yourself, that is
01:23:49
impulsive more like me
01:23:52
choleric, that’s why it’s vanilla and you need it
01:23:56
action they harm him
01:23:58
she is not always emotional
01:24:01
contribute to navarro navarro juno son
01:24:04
as in a group among other convicts
01:24:07
so with the administration of installations because
01:24:09
that for some reason they were convicted
01:24:12
bad mood and being rude
01:24:15
administration or employee and and not
01:24:18
does you no benefit
01:24:21
favor you in the future and what
01:24:24
can you tell about Panasenko
01:24:26
Vladimir Ivanovich I think that this is
01:24:29
convicted which has a clear positive
01:24:31
direction which is absolutely
01:24:33
our lives are regulated
01:24:35
institution according to the norms
01:24:37
legislation does not allow wild
01:24:39
no conflicts of any kind
01:24:42
situations with other prisoners with
01:24:44
administration or provocation does not create
01:24:46
he is absolutely clear let's say so reserved
01:24:51
well-mannered person who behaves in
01:24:54
within the framework established by law, you can even
01:24:57
so to speak he has I consider him in
01:25:00
basically what a role model for
01:25:02
other convicts, unfortunately, they
01:25:05
they don't listen to this
01:25:08
normal citizen, family man
01:25:14
who even while in places of deprivation
01:25:17
freedom is constantly working on itself
01:25:20
There is is engaged in training and education herself
01:25:23
erudite goes in for sports
01:25:28
brought up bar suicidal thoughts while you
01:25:31
were here were
01:25:32
after the supreme court when the supreme
01:25:35
the court left it all unchanged
01:25:38
I came to the cell I had privilege when
01:25:41
only after fasting did I sit alone
01:25:43
walked into the cell and immediately started
01:25:45
look at the camera how can you do it here?
01:25:48
commit suicide after that I sat down
01:25:50
write such a huge letter to your
01:25:53
to my wife, my own children, to everyone, and here to me
01:25:57
come and say VTB pobachennya squads
01:26:02
I somehow decided 6 only did it
01:26:06
bad if I don't get there I'm going to her
01:26:09
I meet with her for 20 minutes
01:26:11
we're talking because she's late
01:26:13
to the train and stood for 4 hours
01:26:16
I waited in 30-degree frost to get in
01:26:19
no change after that
01:26:23
I didn’t have any more information about my goal
01:26:26
never any thoughts if you take it this way
01:26:30
statistics then over the past
01:26:32
2020 we had a prisoner here
01:26:35
in the institution more than 20 marriages were sentenced to
01:26:39
life imprisonment is already
01:26:43
says that we are engaged and
01:26:44
social work with them, that is, imposed
01:26:46
we're trying in every possible way
01:26:51
strengthen their non-social connection
01:26:52
give the convicted person some motivation to
01:26:55
so that he behaves appropriately
01:26:58
and perhaps in the future their conditions will not be
01:27:02
contents will be changed
01:27:04
Well, first of all they must have
01:27:06
incentive for good behavior and the best
01:27:10
the incentive is a family at large that is waiting
01:27:13
I have you and your return again
01:27:17
repeated violation of the requirements of Article 8
01:27:21
that is, I've been here for over a year now
01:27:24
February I'll tell you December January
01:27:27
month of the twentieth year last time
01:27:29
saw my wife
01:27:31
allowed race will notice allowed 1 to
01:27:35
the month is absolutely true, there is its law
01:27:37
no one canceled
01:27:39
but since we got this
01:27:43
the problem seems to be but that's nothing yet
01:27:46
don't say anything
01:27:49
there should be restrictions on rights
01:27:53
legitimate legislative lord who
01:27:55
Verkhovna Rada therefore any restrictions
01:27:57
in one or another human right given
01:28:00
moment I speak for myself for the convicted person
01:28:02
established only by law in July
01:28:07
paints are allowed here because here
01:28:10
there were none at all, then you will have
01:28:11
I think they allowed long-term ones, but you
01:28:15
you see, no one had the right and
01:28:17
prohibit and that is the concept as an institution
01:28:21
family, I didn’t just wait with friends to
01:28:24
you came and talked to me
01:28:26
you see, this family, this is the wife, this is
01:28:28
a woman is a relationship that is simple
01:28:33
in such a shameless way without knowing the words
01:28:36
pick up something took super we sneezed
01:28:37
we want it that way
01:28:38
That's why I don't blow smoke on harit
01:28:40
why are we here to the Ministry of Justice?
01:28:42
instructions I met with
01:28:45
Vladimir Panasenko what are you talking about him
01:28:47
you can tell the story is blatant in fact
01:28:51
I'm really good with my daughter
01:28:55
tank I’m communicating and it’s a pity that until then
01:28:59
Since then he has been in prison
01:29:01
freedom shouldn't be like that at all
01:29:04
must
01:29:05
and a persistent person and I believe that he is from there
01:29:10
this bill will come out and now
01:29:12
the right to hope which is still well
01:29:15
I really believe that he got into the halls of parliament
01:29:19
was voted to at least give hope and
01:29:21
these people unfairly imprisoned
01:29:24
liberation seems to me to be free
01:29:27
prove one's innocence
01:29:28
but it’s much more comfortable if
01:29:33
there will be admission of guilt and repentance
01:29:37
a guarantee that you can be pardoned
01:29:40
Isn't that a reason to even admit guilt?
01:29:46
[music]
01:30:00
asked the president four times
01:30:02
you were denied pardon as you
01:30:05
think what's going to happen that you
01:30:08
after all, they pardoned me, you know how
01:30:12
a believer always says everything
01:30:15
God's will is probably only for him, Lord
01:30:18
apparently something hasn’t been completed here yet
01:30:21
I haven't said something to anyone yet
01:30:23
wrote something else
01:30:25
I don’t know, they work here, the thing is that
01:30:30
when I showed this to you last year
01:30:33
last year February 4
01:30:36
the pardon commission considered
01:30:40
the administration's request has already been
01:30:42
intercedes for the fourth time and here they are
01:30:44
made such a decision here is an extra paragraph
01:30:47
you can read the main punishment alas
01:30:50
not to eternal evil outside the will of replacing you with
01:30:53
2 these rocky in one month of learning
01:30:56
will yes then must watering it is accepted
01:30:59
the decision was on February 4, 2020
01:31:01
so you're already here viola and I had to
01:31:05
if the presidential decree had been signed
01:31:08
I would have been released last year back in
01:31:11
the month of July at the beginning and that is, I have 27
01:31:14
27 years ended 27 one month in
01:31:17
last year in July but not listed
01:31:20
was after which I wrote in my newspaper
01:31:23
this article
01:31:24
this is what they received in the parliamentary office
01:31:28
I don’t have a case, I was pardoned but then
01:31:31
changed our minds about the fact that we just
01:31:33
it turned out absurd, the commission accepts
01:31:36
such a positive decision you combined
01:31:39
this gives you hope they will announce
01:31:42
I already know that this decision has been made
01:31:44
all that remained was just the course of a stroke of the pen
01:31:47
Presidents issue a decree and all commission
01:31:50
That's why it was created under the president
01:31:52
Ukraine to make such decisions
01:31:54
and there is no decree no no no not only this 4
01:31:58
February they make such a decision and I
01:32:00
the answer comes on August 31st
01:32:04
a banal reply that it’s a commission
01:32:06
I looked at it and it’s clear that I’m natural
01:32:09
wrote directly to the President of Ukraine
01:32:11
appeals about sucked
01:32:12
from the newspaper page
01:32:14
this is me speaking directly to the president here
01:32:17
but then I was allowed, the paper came I
01:32:22
I wrote to the President Vladimir
01:32:24
I wrote a paper to Alexandrovich from here
01:32:26
I asked the official to simply clarify
01:32:29
but tell me what else do I need?
01:32:33
make me broom
01:32:35
because we intercede a lot
01:32:37
people from abroad apply for and
01:32:40
place of church organization
01:32:43
the administration itself and I'm talking about my own
01:32:47
plans for the future that is, what I will be
01:32:49
do what I do on
01:32:51
today to clarify there is what
01:32:54
what is the argument what is the reason
01:32:56
What bothered me the most was something
01:32:58
the president of Ukraine just doesn’t have paper
01:33:02
got there maybe the political situation itself
01:33:04
in the country there is no time for that and he simply doesn’t
01:33:07
they gave me just an instruction and
01:33:09
everything and why no one explains why
01:33:11
the gas, that is, the president refused, what if
01:33:14
he refused for what reason he said
01:33:17
if the commission is its body which is also
01:33:19
created with himself
01:33:21
makes a decision here you read and here
01:33:24
suddenly he refused it must be but have
01:33:27
a weighty argument to refuse no one
01:33:30
didn't explain anything, it came to me
01:33:31
the official paper is here too
01:33:34
There is
01:33:35
that I am allowed to re-apply out
01:33:39
queues
01:33:40
this is last year and the administration again
01:33:42
collects documents writes again
01:33:44
the description again says that we are
01:33:49
they give what they deserve
01:33:51
characteristics all
01:33:53
I am writing my petition again to the past
01:33:55
I'm sending out of queue
01:33:58
petition and still not some
01:34:00
Trubitsyn was stabbed to death just recently
01:34:03
five years and our organization is another plus
01:34:06
35 including international organizations
01:34:10
we write every time for pardon
01:34:13
petitions and all this has no effect yet
01:34:16
unfortunately you have no effect on the deputies
01:34:20
we write to the president in sandy everywhere but how
01:34:23
the pardon commission is working
01:34:26
work is closed for no reason
01:34:28
comments on each candidate
01:34:31
at best it takes half a minute
01:34:34
reading out and always returns one and
01:34:37
the same answer
01:34:38
two people were murdered in 1985
01:34:43
everything yes it is done yes, but let's let it go
01:34:49
Trubitsyna knows people who are believers
01:34:52
even while in prison
01:34:56
trying to do educational work
01:34:58
activity let's say his wife she
01:35:01
publishes a religious newspaper prisoner
01:35:04
which are distributed in places of deprivation
01:35:06
freedom where the information was collected is not related
01:35:13
with a particular denomination
01:35:14
religious but just
01:35:16
aimed at supporting
01:35:18
morally and spiritually everyone is condemned who
01:35:21
there are
01:35:22
punishment in our system in Ukraine to give
01:35:25
they hope, as they say, a ray of light in
01:35:27
dark kingdom and guide them on the path and
01:35:32
self-education correction that is
01:35:35
of course they deserve respect because
01:35:38
a person even having fallen into such difficult
01:35:41
circumstances of the place of deprivation of liberty
01:35:43
he thinks not only about himself but also from
01:35:45
others and try
01:35:46
inspired others with their example
01:35:50
There are only two people in Ukraine
01:35:52
which was received by the President
01:35:54
this is women pu women's Nazarenko Igor
01:35:58
Nikolaevich yes he served his sentence with you
01:36:02
it was assumed that he might be pardoned
01:36:04
absolutely not tell me how it is
01:36:07
happened but destined wrote an appeal
01:36:10
I just don’t remember exactly the year, but that
01:36:14
That's basically our average yearly
01:36:18
sentenced to life imprisonment
01:36:21
they will write about 20 appeals, that is
01:36:24
a certain period of time approaches each
01:36:26
takes advantage of this opportunity to write
01:36:28
appeal here
01:36:30
among 20 when we heard that the reception
01:36:32
a positive decision was made we were
01:36:34
surprised because he is from the general mass but
01:36:36
did not differ positively in any way, that is
01:36:38
such a hidden citizen convicted
01:36:43
who sat quietly
01:36:45
stood out as neither positive nor negative
01:36:48
let's say a person who
01:36:51
characterized in the middle and then the fool
01:36:54
positive decision towards him
01:36:56
was received by everyone in shock yes yes this is for
01:36:59
the law that everyone in life dreams of
01:37:02
prisoners for today are even
01:37:07
illegal two laws
01:37:09
have their own numbers 4048 4049
01:37:13
and they are called well, such an environment that
01:37:19
understands it's called the right to hope
01:37:22
the only thing really is this
01:37:25
the right to hope that can
01:37:27
arise under this bill
01:37:32
provided for minimum minimum
01:37:35
25 years of serving a sentence in places
01:37:38
imprisonment and consideration of personal
01:37:43
everyone’s stories, that is, you can submit
01:37:46
will be there right now just sometimes they go
01:37:48
about the time frame after which it will be possible
01:37:50
apply for this law options who 25
01:37:54
sat and what in a day and who 10 in
01:37:57
fifteen for the whole mass of everything
01:37:59
but there is a chance, that is, in reality
01:38:03
deep individual approach
01:38:05
consideration of each candidacy
01:38:09
I'm sure it should start working otherwise we
01:38:14
We pay crazy amounts from the Ukrainian budget
01:38:16
fines of up to 1 million euros per year are already
01:38:20
for four years since
01:38:23
Petukhov's case, the European Court recognized a
01:38:26
jyj bill law with life
01:38:31
punishment in Ukraine equated to tight
01:38:34
and what are they doing unfortunately already doing
01:38:39
the case of roosters and the lawyer who was a lawyer
01:38:44
Irina Bykova died last December
01:38:47
we've been very good friends for years
01:38:50
statement to press on valid legs with her
01:38:53
there was a lot of activity
01:38:56
according to her client Petukhov and Europe
01:38:59
for the first time and recognized the need for a bonus
01:39:03
changes in Ukrainian legislation
01:39:05
because this violation is considered
01:39:09
systemic and
01:39:11
this is Ukraine they pay 1 million every year
01:39:16
a lot of taxpayers' money yes yes yes
01:39:20
Yes, the executive director is with you
01:39:23
Ukrainian Helsinki Union for Rights
01:39:25
person and deputy head of the commission for
01:39:28
questions of pardon why on
01:39:30
we have no legislative level
01:39:33
pardon mechanism for life
01:39:35
convicted at the legislative level
01:39:40
there is a pardon mechanism for us
01:39:43
Pardons just don't work
01:39:45
can be applied to all categories
01:39:48
convicted persons
01:39:50
a sentence that has entered into legal force
01:39:53
this also applies to those sentenced to
01:39:55
life imprisonment
01:39:58
another question is that of almost all
01:40:02
appeals to the commission on issues
01:40:04
pardons none of the persons who
01:40:09
contacted
01:40:10
pardoned as a result of such treatment
01:40:13
I wasn’t, which proves it doesn’t matter
01:40:15
the inefficiency of this existing one
01:40:19
way to mitigate the punishment and it doesn’t matter
01:40:23
even if the same requirements are met and
01:40:26
By the way, they are written out in the work regulations
01:40:29
commission 25 from everyday life their punishment then
01:40:34
there is this direct norm that indicates
01:40:36
what can convicted persons do?
01:40:39
life imprisonment apply
01:40:42
commission
01:40:43
with a petition actually about
01:40:47
pardon but in fact there is very little
01:40:54
you have a chance to expect this result
01:40:58
will be positive for those who
01:41:01
applies with such a period of deprivation
01:41:05
freedom for today in my opinion 22
01:41:09
women are in places without freedom with
01:41:11
such terms of punishment and this is actually
01:41:16
This is also a specificity of Ukraine that we have
01:41:20
there are women living in other countries
01:41:23
there is no such norm, there is, as it were, more
01:41:26
serious deadlines because we seem to have
01:41:28
15 years and beyond after 15 years of imprisonment
01:41:35
freedom norm provides
01:41:36
life imprisonment in others
01:41:39
countries there is a wider gradation on
01:41:43
there is no life sentence for
01:41:46
women in particular in ubuntu what
01:41:48
number of people you recommended to
01:41:51
pardon
01:41:52
I've been working on the commission since '19
01:41:55
years since August during this time it was
01:41:59
there are not many meetings at these
01:42:03
documents are reviewed at meetings
01:42:06
which are prepared by the department for
01:42:08
pardon in the office of the President of Ukraine
01:42:12
for the entire time for consideration by the commission on
01:42:17
pardon was granted in two cases
01:42:21
personal ones that were considered
01:42:23
the appeal was much higher for each
01:42:27
from meetings
01:42:30
approximately 20 to 30 or more
01:42:35
statements
01:42:36
petitions for pardon came from persons
01:42:42
who were sentenced to life
01:42:44
imprisonment but all of them are not even
01:42:48
reached the stage
01:42:50
transfers in the form of material for
01:42:53
consideration
01:42:54
a member of the commission for the mechanism comes
01:42:59
big list it consists of approximately
01:43:00
there from a hundred or more statements in which
01:43:05
indicate the person his sentence term
01:43:13
How many
01:43:14
sentence served category
01:43:16
crimes but also brief information about
01:43:19
that the person is actually convicted and plus
01:43:22
characteristics from the institution where he is
01:43:26
serving his sentence with some
01:43:28
recommendatory, on the contrary, by the absence
01:43:32
such recommendations regarding mitigation
01:43:35
punishments you know when in life you did
01:43:38
not so much good I think that in
01:43:42
I didn't do enough in my past life but
01:43:44
if you do it for your family
01:43:46
then I would just like to compensate
01:43:49
all the good things that I didn’t have time to do in
01:43:51
that life, well, I’ll punish myself
01:43:55
I punished myself much more and
01:43:59
and not only himself, he punished all his
01:44:03
relatives because the children did not see their father'
01:44:05
grandchildren are growing up without a grandfather, wife is already waiting
01:44:09
more than a quarter of a century, her husband and mother died
01:44:13
not a video of my son and so on, that is
01:44:15
many people have suffered
01:44:19
besides it was worth the victims to eat
01:44:21
relatives of the victims and here
01:44:24
this load hangs naturally for us and
01:44:26
this cannot somehow be forgotten or
01:44:29
somehow fade into the background
01:44:32
the only thing I ask for today is
01:44:35
the president's day is to pardon me
01:44:37
so that I still have time to do this to me
01:44:40
I want to bring it to its logical conclusion
01:44:42
completion of this project prisoner
01:44:45
which by the way will be for the new year
01:44:47
10 years, ten years at this newspaper for me
01:44:50
I would like to create this center which
01:44:52
already almost half created
01:44:56
from here I certainly can’t do all this
01:44:59
will do so we make it impossible
01:45:02
perhaps the case with Igor traditional you
01:45:05
recommended the president made a decision
01:45:08
it turns out not to have mercy the way you do
01:45:12
you think what should happen for everything
01:45:14
after all, the president pardoned him, he’s talking
01:45:19
Well, not about Igor’s personal matter
01:45:21
Trubitsyna as such is absent
01:45:24
practice of pardoning convicts
01:45:27
life imprisonment
01:45:30
and actually start this practice
01:45:36
probably quite difficult but this
01:45:38
most likely politically negative for
01:45:41
it is necessary to have a certain
01:45:43
political courage let's say this and
01:45:46
this one should probably appear
01:45:49
political courage and understanding that well
01:45:53
as if she is responsible for such a step
01:45:58
entrusted to the President because he
01:46:01
by his decree will release the person
01:46:05
who was sentenced to life
01:46:07
imprisonment
01:46:08
although even according to those characteristics and
01:46:13
requirements that are written out
01:46:17
regarding those who can contact
01:46:19
this pardon commission at
01:46:22
the President of Ukraine, these two faces
01:46:25
and Burak and Trubitsyn they approached
01:46:30
so it's like some kind of
01:46:33
remark that they do not hit or
01:46:37
should not be considered
01:46:41
reasons are not accepted how it works
01:46:44
commission and what criteria do you use to decide?
01:46:47
I recommend him as a pardon or
01:46:49
no, I will not reveal all the mechanisms
01:46:53
work of the commission because, well, let's say
01:46:57
so the work is enough but not
01:47:02
open let's call it that every member
01:47:06
the commission receives materials that
01:47:10
prepared directly by the department
01:47:13
I’ll tell you to get acquainted with these materials
01:47:16
more we have developed a separate procedure
01:47:19
members of the commission in order to
01:47:23
go directly to the institution
01:47:27
where are the convicts?
01:47:29
handle such decorations
01:47:32
pardon and in order to carry out
01:47:34
individual meetings and conversations here I am
01:47:38
I was directly, well, first of all, I’m walking around
01:47:42
in some places the lack of freedom in this pre-trial detention center and
01:47:46
separately, as part of this work
01:47:49
commission I met with Burak from
01:47:52
Trubitsyn to them and with individual convicts
01:47:58
women were not in life it was not themselves
01:48:01
They also contacted us separately at
01:48:03
commission and knowing that there is such
01:48:08
category of requests with a certain
01:48:11
colony we made a visit to this colony
01:48:14
and there was a meeting with just such
01:48:17
convicted
01:48:20
there were several more meetings and I won’t say what
01:48:25
in each case after these meetings
01:48:27
a decision is made to face
01:48:30
deserves a pardon, that is
01:48:33
characteristic which can be said
01:48:37
so intensely or vice versa are
01:48:41
some counter-argument and against that
01:48:44
not to support the request for
01:48:47
pardon we are not judicial
01:48:50
body but we must find an argument
01:48:53
and motivation to prove that
01:48:56
this person deserves to be pardoned and
01:48:59
if there is no such argument, then the solution
01:49:02
the judgment remains in force and the greatest
01:49:05
the difficulty is that the first
01:49:10
argument that is put forward against
01:49:13
this petition for pardon is called
01:49:16
the gravity of the crime committed
01:49:20
there is a note for refusal written
01:49:26
the gravity of the crime committed is not
01:49:28
allows you to consider
01:49:30
positively your business but here I can
01:49:35
say the following the severity of the perfect
01:49:37
crime will not change in a year
01:49:39
not in ten, not in 20 and
01:49:44
some should be included
01:49:46
additional factors but this one
01:49:48
crime severity factor
01:49:53
he figure I give the following example:
01:49:56
even in the same United States of America
01:49:58
for example, persons sentenced to higher or higher
01:50:04
whether the punishment is life imprisonment or
01:50:06
death sentence among such
01:50:09
categories of persons allowed
01:50:11
not only what is allowed, but upon revision
01:50:14
their sentences later even
01:50:18
some time up to three percent
01:50:21
it is admitted that there was a judicial
01:50:24
3 percent error in that trial
01:50:27
system
01:50:28
and it turns out that the court is alive
01:50:30
our judicial system
01:50:32
there are no mistakes, she is not mistaken, although we
01:50:37
We understand that we have corruption and
01:50:40
We have official corruption and this is not
01:50:45
may not influence the adoption of certain
01:50:49
solutions there is still hope to be released into freedom
01:50:54
I never gave up this hope
01:50:57
were familiar with
01:50:59
Tushinskaya, of course, maybe everything is in here
01:51:01
in one sector with sticks they guessed that
01:51:05
Maybe
01:51:06
will be released or was it
01:51:09
the surprise for you is that
01:51:11
a person like Kushan
01:51:13
I literally just the other day told me
01:51:17
I like guys who write, writes something
01:51:21
I have them because I have them all the time
01:51:23
he writes, he writes, and the Kushan is so impudent
01:51:27
she was a pardon fighter to achieve no
01:51:30
the sky should not be constantly reminded
01:51:32
to deputies that there are women
01:51:35
Well, that is, Krushinskaya always seems to be
01:51:39
it was such an explosion of a package that
01:51:42
someone came running and let's go there it's the most
01:51:45
I’ll write everything, you read it, sign it there
01:51:47
everyone and you always wrote collectively she
01:51:50
I wrote about different factions, that is
01:51:53
Tushinskaya didn’t and no one writes
01:51:56
I have hope and it carries with everyone
01:51:59
year more and more intensifies
01:52:02
snake on the loose waiting for grandson daughter mother
01:52:05
sister is a man who is with his man
01:52:10
I recently got acquainted with
01:52:12
a man and he already arrived for the season
01:52:16
in no this is us it was just the year began
01:52:20
this quarantine no he did
01:52:25
sentence I myself am passive with but for now
01:52:28
still in absentia and this is not what is possible
01:52:30
there will be a wedding here but I also hope that
01:52:35
We're planting weddings doesn't really tell me
01:52:39
so I really wanted to
01:52:40
tell me how you met how you two
01:52:42
realized that you like him
01:52:44
man, well, at first there was no Skype yet
01:52:47
I'm on the phone, I'm taking the Incas
01:52:51
talked to Jonah fish, we have a neighbor here
01:52:55
we do it word by word, then I
01:52:59
even without Skype I'm already just
01:53:01
determined from the conversation about drew him
01:53:05
and when
01:53:06
mermen have a good day.
01:53:09
I got it and says you want it too
01:53:12
I'll show you
01:53:13
grenade carpets quietly I’ll look at it like that
01:53:16
introduced him and we are still somewhere
01:53:20
somehow something he supports me I him
01:53:23
I support everything so that you want him
01:53:26
waited
01:53:51
[applause]
01:54:05
opposition journalist Georgy Gongadze
01:54:07
who was in charge of the building was Ukrainian
01:54:10
truth and criticized the administration
01:54:12
President Leonid Kuchma since 16
01:54:14
September 2000 and in November of the same
01:54:17
it was 2 years ago in the Finnish forest near Kyiv
01:54:19
a headless body was discovered
01:54:22
according to the expert's conclusions it could
01:54:24
belong to a journalist in 2009
01:54:27
remains were found in the Kyiv region
01:54:28
skulls which were said to
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belong to ganga tion journalist's mother
01:54:33
refused to admit that the remains
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owned by her son in November 2013
01:54:39
she died in sixty-nine
01:54:41
year of life three years after her
01:54:43
death in 2016 16 years after
01:54:47
murders buried journalists evil tulle
01:54:50
and no 93
01:54:52
or blood so called cup
01:54:57
everything sounds like a code about time to no
01:54:59
the curves of the TS-1 hood are especially severe
01:55:03
install according to the new code 200 had to
01:55:06
give it to pier 200, yes, but you can’t have articles
01:55:11
under the new code of cheerful article
01:55:16
projects for departure nine hundred
01:55:18
sixtieth hand something on 99 code 60
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hand up to 2000 I'll write down to 1 from 2000 shore
01:55:27
but I’m in a hurry to join 93 became especially
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heavy and railings and 115 yes there was
01:55:35
eternal well and so in front of the street they give
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point and this is a quick word km from and
01:55:41
know how to consider an analyst
01:55:44
to the person you arrested, well, I lied, Brian
01:55:48
meeting you for the meeting so
01:55:50
briefing and told you about you're right
01:55:55
ideality moon xii
01:55:58
shoujo about you really dialysis for rose
01:56:00
national Lord and Ukraine you have
01:56:02
there are these documents in the vessel there are sessions
01:56:07
brother-in-law of the Shwi Naiman people 0 nod shines
01:56:11
before tried ruts walked when all Georgia
01:56:16
think about it, after all, a drilling rig came here
01:56:19
jelly and everything supposedly in Ukrainian
01:56:21
got a passport and then changed it for my brother
01:56:24
drop that girl's last name Zhinka
01:56:27
and how the citizens of Ukraine
01:56:30
Vilk went to Abkhazia Devin you are this
01:56:34
call the hiring thread
01:56:37
Georgians have suffered such books and visits
01:56:41
in the apartment lived in my Georgian and even you are a Jew
01:56:45
Ukraine Belarus these are behind the cape with
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apartment nachitka marauder 150 all sockets
01:56:52
situ stretch outside the legal field tirion
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don't open Sydney by taking all the sockets
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Situ in and about Paul by Barack Obama
01:57:03
president flashlight and present Kosovo
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touches
01:57:07
Alexander to himself after recognizing Esha's soil
01:57:09
wrap blu-10 then barely turkey
01:57:13
whole law you know that there were two of them
01:57:20
two brothers twins whom
01:57:22
Well, how did he mom give birth alive?
01:57:25
hip and why why am I afraid what's here
01:57:31
substitution bulo
01:57:33
after all, the kitchenette gets soot all its life
01:57:36
during the course he insisted on the balcony on his side and
01:57:40
waved to him
01:57:41
and she kegs taxi and just a way in
01:57:48
Tunisia Peugeot's fault then where the light is on
01:57:52
after all, you went on hikes and thought
01:57:57
here friend 16 suspected something no
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the revived one will be taken away and taken away or carried
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pr
01:58:10
plague on lawyers
01:58:11
walks here down on her you say I'll go
01:58:14
to America and find something new that is beloved to the village
01:58:17
in the car at home on the market so that otherwise you
01:58:21
at the box what to do on horseback I'm cutting people
01:58:24
the bird is dead, well, in that Vinci sconce topic
01:58:30
why are lawyers rich and well-fed harem
01:58:33
let's go and find a meow to the screws or the collapse of a
01:58:37
why near lasse is beautiful and why
01:58:41
at the start of London I didn’t have a chubrick on it
01:58:46
I'm not my father
01:58:47
nothing on it on blu in Tyumen Kravchenko
01:58:50
pointed to read, took off nothing, I didn't sky
01:58:53
Bulanovich
01:58:56
some kind of order
01:58:57
this is not the junction of everything, healthy lifestyle is not clear and
01:59:01
Vasya brought these receipts and codes to coaching
01:59:04
and codes nickname pseudonym but you can
01:59:08
his brother washed himself, his brother gave him away for his
01:59:11
Brother 2 seemed to ask
01:59:13
prices, everything should be counted by the security officers against and
01:59:17
the roof saw the videos you decided to drink
01:59:20
roof journalists hard - journalist
01:59:22
found themselves and were sad apply 7 tsenari
01:59:27
they pass but we didn’t follow and the two of us had ethics in
01:59:30
Kay city
01:59:31
of came around at the expense of leaving them entirely
01:59:34
defended
01:59:35
How will her geopolitical game go?
01:59:38
it’s not clear why the game will fly at 22
01:59:41
river and look and everyone leaves, I know everything
01:59:44
belt not college kia poke in jail
01:59:46
touch the balls and sword pass the activity book
01:59:53
I pass
01:59:54
and I starred on Yakub’s terpil, let’s go here
01:59:56
yakubi remove
01:59:57
I'm Kevin Thump story wide average
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pieces plant the belts that you live
02:00:03
any latitudes no and stake and wild
02:00:08
roses and her little ones
02:00:11
and a carpet of urns I stone a buckle more
02:00:14
on foot mother granddaughter with skin you can
02:00:17
plastic forehead and can you iron something porridge
02:00:20
maybe you found out something that alcohol and
02:00:21
something out of hand
02:00:24
what did you say, look no one
02:00:27
I'll outline
02:00:28
and 2 seconds his bull is already strong
02:00:35
in 205 a belt was invented and in 209 it
02:00:39
came up with a very buckle says that you
02:00:41
the best, well, it seems like you need a harness on
02:00:45
three rubles
02:00:47
look if let's say they came up with everything
02:00:50
I didn’t come up with that no, people don’t
02:00:53
wait a second, we took people to the river
02:00:56
after the conspiracy culture we were there and
02:00:58
only hearing looks at the day when wines
02:01:03
came to the conspiracy culture like this
02:01:07
this is the enemy, there are no documents in it
02:01:11
neither a passport nor a journalist now
02:01:16
the journalist has a way to visit him
02:01:22
document such and such I will dry the journalist
02:01:25
structure who looked like they were waiting for us on o
02:01:28
blue on what appearance is important everywhere
02:01:30
I won’t indicate my nationality
02:01:31
journalist why should I not?
02:01:36
shoot for lemon and don’t hang up the sums
02:01:39
don't drive with the hole and guys
02:01:43
black mapri I was no longer just gold
02:01:45
it will show perfectly so that it looks like a bull
02:01:49
documents but to Larisa who knew the boom on
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criticism
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cars someone kicked us strong said
02:02:01
the whole point is that we come to that type of brooch
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take the nouvelle of each bunny and breasts a
02:02:06
give out a decent amount of zhinka girl develop
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mini cola and on the back special service is good
02:02:13
why would he develop which of you later
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cispa conceived on the audience so
02:02:18
lethality listen comes and bubble
02:02:20
usually were not efficient
02:02:23
he kuras yak sho people for any lubin
02:02:26
Ukraine-Rus'
02:02:28
in our tackle examinations spokes complexity
02:02:31
you call espionage article 68
02:02:34
how to clean it and what the special services called
02:02:37
Am I right? Am I developed? Kelly is turned on
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about us officially receives a task like this
02:02:44
and received assignments for him and a friend
02:02:48
through offices 2
02:02:50
speaker's examination of the cause of death
02:02:52
it becomes impossible we can't but 2 pets
02:02:56
political squeak squeak I am aware of
02:02:59
I wrote the document, I asked you to write it in
02:03:03
trial for examination and arrange a scenario
02:03:05
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02:03:09
so heart neck
02:03:11
obvious hands dawn kuan rest account
02:03:15
the whole country and by the time in court and parishes
02:03:18
KFB view
02:03:19
kind of beaten understood and suffered asked
02:03:25
both in the cells and in the court there are bullet holes so that
02:03:28
box banner when we will be minimal you
02:03:30
them larva asked for this or something like that
02:03:34
eat and will come in or Chang saw Miroslav
02:03:37
so I am so and lesson then why just once
02:03:41
Anka asks you to put the words on the boat
02:03:43
its on the monads syrup and ask for binding
02:03:47
but I eat it, I have an officer's uniform
02:03:51
honor people and people are in contact with
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who am I not Gorgiy nq
02:03:58
or wash or Slavinsky is good otherwise
02:04:02
what they say is that you have an apartment
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after
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sedna china the legislative code is not
02:04:08
give apartment underwear market youth vulitsa
02:04:10
memory of grandfather although Mariupol
02:04:12
miropolskaya miropolskaya tram
02:04:15
Bellerin st is become the metro
02:04:18
Komsomol Pioneer Lee HRS Chernyaka
02:04:21
the gods have passed me by
02:04:23
dear thing for what role are we the playwright
02:04:29
wanted to be jealous bent the tape I'll borrow
02:04:32
and stuck I left the buckets Ginny he didn't
02:04:37
came to the executive committee and changed my apartment
02:04:40
handed over these numbers flattered by shyness and
02:04:46
Marinka handed over she will cook the sketch
02:04:49
they didn’t even give it to ordinary people as an officer
02:04:52
smoke started coming out of that apartment
02:04:55
5 more 1 bit you are the only witness
02:04:58
who is in their right mind and
02:05:01
that guy Kravchenko knows about you, that’s why
02:05:06
just leave and so means in volume
02:05:10
with power be in that 99 there is even a woman
02:05:15
Israeli Ambassador
02:05:16
then yes there are things that she would not like
02:05:23
calling ourselves and before them that freedom, litter, but we
02:05:27
dwight
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Пожизненно осужденные люди — главные герои нового выпуска "Ходят слухи". Рамина Эсхакзай взяла интервью у женщин и мужчин, которым вынесли приговор — пожизненно заключен. Как эти люди стали преступниками? Как жили, до попадания в тюрьму? Какие испытывали чувства, когда услышали приговор о пожизненном заключении? В большом интервью вы узнаете истории женщин: Валентины Лучаниновой, Лилии Чижик, Катерины Щуки и Снежаны Кругляковой, а также мужчин: Владимира Панасенко, Андрея Тюрюкова, Игоря Трубицина и Алексея Пукача. В каких условиях содержатся заключённые? Есть ли доступ к социальным сетям? Как часто разрешают видеться с близкими? Есть ли надежда у самой юной пожизненно заключённой Снежаны Кругляковой, на пересмотр дела? Почему Валентина терпела домашнее насилие и не уходила от мужа, а сейчас оказалась в тюрьме? Что чувствует человек, которого рекомендовали к помилованию, но президент не подписал указ о помиловании. Передаётся ли преступность по наследству? Как работает комиссия по помилованию при президенте? Также разговор с Яной Барановой, психологом, которая работает с заключенными, и с адвокаткой Оксаной Гузь. Эксклюзивное интервью с Алексеем Пукачем о подробностях дела об убийстве Георгия Гонгадзе. Как жить, когда забрали все? Есть ли надежда выйти из тюрьмы? Как повлияет пожизненный приговор на детей и близких этих людей? Про помилование, свадьбы в тюрьме, в новом выпуске "Ходят слухи". Истории этих людей сложные, страшные и запутанные, но заслуживают быть услышанными! И главный вопрос выпуска: пожизненно заключённые люди должны иметь право на пересмотр дел? ДОБАВЛЯЙСЯ В ДРУЗЬЯ: Мой Инстаграм https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Мой телеграм канал https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEmAhl-chTJgiUhPpQ Tik Tok канала https://www.tiktok.com/explore Каждую неделю Рамина Эсхакзай берет эксклюзивные интервью у известных людей. Смотрите новый выпуск и подписывайтесь на канал https://www.youtube.com/c/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%AD%D1%81%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B9 00:00 о чем этот выпуск 1:08 Лиля, подробности дела 05:23 Катерина про тот самый день 13:53 Снежана про опекунов и жизнь ДО 17:09 Валентина про свою историю 22:50 можно ли было поступить иначе? 24:10 за что хотела устранить мужа? 27:01 когда услышала приговор… 33:10 Лиля про родителей и детей 36:00 вышла замуж в тюрьме 39:54 кто из близких поддерживает ? 41:09 кто такая Яна Баранова? 41:50 психолог Яна Баранова о Валентине 43:00 Яна Баранова про Катю 44:19 Яна Баранова про Лилю 45:30 передаётся ли преступность по наследству? 46:19 тот вечер - единственный, когда приставал дядя? 47:04 любила ли дядю Снежана? 47:40 тетя жила с абьюзером? 48:20 адвокатка Снежаны 51:55 Яна Баранова о Снежане 53:15 дядя хотел срезать пирсинг 56:34 может ли ориентация стать причиной более жёсткого наказания 59:05 почему решила сделать каминг аут? 1:01:00 пожизненно заключённые мужчины 1:01:26 Владимир Панасенко 1:09:00 Андрей Тюрюков 1:11:05 когда впервые попал в тюрьму? 1:12:10 Игорь Трубицин, его история 1:15:42 начальник колонии о режиме содержания 1:17:23 имеют ли право заключённые на соцсети 1:17:32 о Донецком регионе 1:19:00 нужен ли шанс на исправление? 1:20:15 Панасенко о переосмыслении 1:20:55 изменились ли условия пребывания? 1:21:42 какое отношение к пожизненно заключённым? 1:22:55 начальник колонии про Тюрюкова 1:24:25 начальник колонии про Панасенко 1:25:30 были ли мысли о суициде? 1:26:30 начальник о заключении браков 1:27:15 Андрей Тюрюков о нарушениях со стороны администрации 1:28:44 Яна Баранова про Панасенко 1:29:33 почему не признает вину? 1:30:01 четыре раза просил о помиловании 1:34:01 Яна Баранова про Игоря Трубицина 1:34:49 начальник колонии про Игоря Трубицина 1:35:49 два человека, которых помиловал президент 1:36:59 закон «Право на надежду» 1:39:22 член комиссии по вопросам помилования 1:43:36 Игорь Трубицин о помиловании 1:45:03 почему президент не подписал указ о помиловании? 1:46:43 как работает комиссия по вопросам помилования? 1:50:50 если надежда выйти на свободу ? 1:52:40 Валентина о том, как познакомилась со своим женихом 1:53:27 дело Георгия Гонгадзе 1:54:50 за что сидит Алексей Пукач? 1:57:18 что случилось в тот вечер ? 2:04:01 появилась квартира после убийства 2:04:57 почему Пукач боится говорить? 2:05:27 заслуживают ли эти люди на пересмотр дел?

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